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i did read them, and they are still running, as far as i know the group is still up and ppl are in it, i contacted them, so we will see
I wouldn’t think on it Brit…not to mention I don’t think it is running anymore as the owner has not shown her face in nearly a month. Besides read the below comments…
this place looks good, too bad its only by invite only, which is fine, but if its as good as ppl say it is, i would rlly like to see what it has to offer. But its fine, it does sound like a good place
this is long overdue. another diva gets hers finaly. to bad it took this long and you had to do all that work. her scripts for that dozens show realy suct.i bet the designers who drank her kool-aid and paid her upfront are steaming now
Wow, I can’t believe I just read through all of that. Very well spoken, Anita and Chloe. I’m sorry that Amanda put you both through so much.
I guess the only thing I can contribute to this is that my experience being a model at TOMA was… Well, I felt like I was just a number. You know? There were people that had been there for awhile, and then there was a new model, me, who had just been hired from an open casting. No one really welcomed me and I felt like I wasn’t apart of the crowd.
It is with regret that we are writing this to say simply that we are resigning from our posts at The Other Modeling/Fashion Agency. This decision has been long thought on after several events, to be listed.
With the last event,”A Dozen” – you, Amanda, left Chloe and Anita very empty handed with information and very full handed with work. We were already less than happy with how you handeled your part in things. Anita spent HOURS upon DAYS making our runway and set. She gave upon your request 8000L worth of gift cards. Not once was she offered compensation for her fees, other than a measly 1000L before the events even began. 1000L is only 4.09 – its nice to see her time, skill, creativity is so…. invaluable to you. Yes, she offered you help to begin with because she saw you in a troubled spot, but she was quickly taken advantage of. You took advantage of her natural helping spirit, and neglected to honor the fact that she is a full time college student IRL and mother to a 10 almost 11 month old son.
Chloe and Anita both put in 10 hours ATLEAST a day working in preparation for this event. We spent morning to night working on ” A Dozen” – Anita not only provided you land for your office but also the event, and built the set as well as several other things, while Chloe ran almost ALL of the practices. 4 times a day, wrote out walks to help the models. Those practices all ran around an hour – hour and a half each not including the time it took to go over the walks with the models that didng get it, or just needed extra help or couldnt make YOUR scheduled practices. We say YOUR because not once did you check to make sure the times were alright with our schedule and Not Once did you show up for the times YOU said you were going to run things. Several times to models came to us looking for help and WE did not have the information neccessary to answer because YOU did not provide it, in result making us both feel and look foolish and unorganized.
We were further upset by the fact that you neglected to offer a share of the costs that you charged of the designers (not to mention didn’t even share that information with us – that you were charging) that you said was to “Cover costs and pay staff.” What costs Amanda? You still havent paid your rent to Anita, you paid two of the other photographers before you paid us? We have been working our asses off for you. We found out what you should have told us to begin with, about charging the designers 1k each, through a notecard which was sent to Chloe.
That very notecard made Chloe feel as if you didnt want her to know you had charged a fee in the first place, so you would not have to share the linden. You did mention something to Anita, but because she trusted you she didnt dig to find out how much or what your intentions were with it. When you said that you were going to use it to “cover costs and pay staff” Anita figured you meant to pay your tier fee at the sim Synister Gatez. We both assumed that you weould pay us a fair part of whatever you recieved. Chloe never questioned Xenobia further about the fee because she is not one to involve the designers in the personal issues within the agency staff, but Xenobia did send Chloe that transaction history that showed she did pay her fee. We are not idiots Amanda, we know you made atleast 10K off of this show, if not more through the designership deal you recieved. We find it very hard to believe that you made nothing off of the event. You did give Anita a free show but do you really think that is enough to cover all she did for you?
Amanda, you know how much Anita and Chloe felt about you, cared for you, trusted you, and we had hoped you felt the same about us. Your attitude this past two months, has really showed us different. During the “A Dozen” event you very rarely mentioned Anita and everything she did for the show, and you didnt thank Chloe once or mention all she did. Then to top it all off, admitting that you had drank “almost an entire bottle of wine” during the show….that is extremely disrespectful to everyone on board. Including the models that work so hard for you. The only time we got a “thankyou” from you, they were practically brow beaten from you. Your actions alone show us that you did not appreciate truely all the work we put into things. You know, that without Anita and Chloe, the event would not been able to succeed the way it did. You had very small duties to take care of and failed to do them or completed them at the very last minute. Chloe nor Anita had the time anywhere to write out the descriptions, we left that job to you. We also left handeling the sponsored items to you, and those werent even delivered till the night before the event. The least you could have done was take care of that, bothered the designers until they sent the items. Several times we had to answer when approached “We dont know, we have to wait for amanda to get online to know” that makes us feel useless, unorganized, unprofessional, and down right stupid. For all the work Anita and Chloe put into everything the last thing we feel is that you should have put effort into solved the issues of the jobs you were supposed to handle. Chloe had to start talking to each sponsor to ask them about the items…all the while not knowing what you had talked with them about….this also makes us all look stupid and unorganized to the designers and makes them loose faith in our ability to handle what we promised… As CEO of the agency it was your job to handle these issues, along with so many others that we handled without any help from you. YOU are the CEO…YOU are to oversee all duties and be sure they run as schedualed and smoothly, NOT leaving Anita and Chloe to do so.
Aside from everything Amanda, the fact Anita and Chloe did 90% of everything to prepare for the show it all comes down to the money you received for the event and that you failed to pay either of us what is fair (considering you paid anita 1k total for everything and Chloe NOTHING at all). It brings the friendship Anita and Chloe felt they have with you to an end. Business aside friends do not allow others to do all the work, knowing how much it’s stressing them out, and for you to do very little. Friends do not fail to pay the only two people that caused your event to take place, or break promises. You should feel terrible with taking all the money and payments from the designers. We feel that you were never the friend to us as we were you, we feel like you saw us as an oppurtunity. We feel like we are amongst the line of people that worked with you but soon after rid themselves of you and sl completly in some cases. Leah, Kat, Sasha….. it’s no secret why those people no long work with you or for TOMA at all. MANY models saw how you were dumping everthing on us and told us we need to quit and leave you. Many didn’t see why we were willing to stick it out at all. To make matters worse your behavior has convinced a few models, FANTASTIC models, to leave TOMA all together. It’s very sad to us that even after all the work anita and chloe did for the event we still lost good models because of you and you alone.
We hope this letter will show you the truth in your actions and you will pay us our just fees, however, we will NEVER work with you again.
With all the work we did for you, we might as well have the CEO tag above our heads. We are leaving TOMA/TOFA permanently and we WILL be creating our own Agency. See you on the side of competition.
I found it interesting that that note was sent to Kimmera Madison and Tres Beau WASN’T mentioned, nor given credit for the event where 75 avatars packed the sim………
Damn being able to edit these would be great-hint hint, poke poke
The Fashion Critique SL reported on this event in her/his blog and I had to reply since I know what really happened preceding this marathon.
I can say unequivocally now that the Fashion Critique SL does post comments and also replies.
Our dialogue went like this:
Blogger Nave Fall said…
Winter Fashion Week (WFW) has a story behind it that you are unaware of. It’s a miracle that the event happened at all under the circimstances………
With 4 days to go Amanda Hinchcliffe, TOMA”s CEO and the show’s director, had gone missing. No way to contact her and NO contact from her.
The catch was that the WFW had been initiated, 22 designers shows had been triggered. Work was taking place, outfits collected, sponsors solicited, models recruited, sets built, scripts written – all the work that goes into producing a 9 day, 22 show event was underway and NO Amanda to be found. No word, no contact, no tiers being paid…
What to do? What to do? What to do ?????
So some people stepped up to the plate. Tiers were paid, designers re-contacted, a group was formed, sponsors were soothed, models were re-assured, a press release sent and a poster distributed and the show went on and on and on and on………
It wasn’t TOMA’s show anymore it was the Chloerose Constantine and Katherine Comet show now. Amanda was off the radar and lost in the ether.
The end result is this. ALL 22 shows went off, some spectacularly well, others a bit laggy but they came off. The Primary sponsors: Tunkinowaguma Hair< CCD/Caithlin Carter Designs (Jewelry and Amaranthim Talon's – Talon Faire (eyelashes) did some business and the models were ecstatic with their products.
The after party at Locked and Cali's was great too.
So there you have the back story of WFW.
24 December 2009 09:17
Blogger Fifth Avenue said…
Tks for your comment Nave.
It's clearer to SL Models what happened during the Winter Fashion Show, even though I'm a SL Model Critique.
It's really good to know that everybody is making efforts to improve Fashion in SL.
You mentioned a Model Agency in SL? That's what I meant, so many times, when I wrote my posts about having so few really good SL Model Agencies in SL.
By good, I mean, efficient, reliable, Agencies that can be trusted by SL Models.
I know this is SL we are talking about, but I always end up thinking RL Fashion. Every RL Model knows how hard it is to be casted by a good Model Agency! It's hard, competitive, tiring and stressful, exhausting!
Reason why I keep writing about looking for a good Model Agency, even if this is SL. A Model Agency represents each Model with the same level of opportunity. Some Agencies in SL may just disappear, which is not, in my opinion, honest of them. In RL, they can go bankrupt, sure. But the person in charge, cannot hide anymore and would be completely out of business.
This was an important point you mentioned.
7 January 2010 10:59
This story gets more interesting now………….
Amanda has re-surfaced and it seems is claiming the credit for various things that took place during the WFW. The WFW that she had nothing to do with. That she didn't pay the tiers for. That she didn't lime up Tukinowaguma, or CCD, Talon Faire or Heart and Sole to sponsor. She didn't publicize the show, attend one event or so much as congratulate anyone for pulling it together.
But she does send notes like this one out:
I am Amanda Hinchcliffe, CEO of The Other Modeling Agency. We are wondering if you would be interested in participating in our "A Dozen!" event.
The Other Modeling Agency presents: A DOZEN! "12 Hours of Virtual Fashion"
12 hours, 12 fashion shows, 12 clothing designers. It will take place on February 6, 2010.
Your clothing would be presented by our professionally trained and styled models; on our runway, which looks extremely chic; with our show greeters and announcers; and all of our fashion show staff. Including our photographers, such as Sabine Blackburn, Mikey Batriani, Anita Claven, and Wicca Merlin.
We already have two amazing sponsors. Tukinowaguma hair style, will be sponsoring hair for all of the models. And Studio Nails will be sponsoring prim nails for our female models.
A little about our agency. You may not have heard of us, but we are on the way to become one of the top public relations, fashion, and modeling agency in Second Life. We have a large group of professionaly trained and styled models, as well as professional staff. We have worked with Boston Westland, Lady Thera, Edge Designs, Badkatz, SLC, DeeTaleZ, VictoriaV, Caithlin Carter, Rebel Hope, Moxie Polano, fab.pony, SF Designs, Bliss Couture, JCNY, Alphamale, and Blacklace — several of the top designers in SL.
In return we would offer free advertising space at the runway for the week of the show, and a free advertisement in our magazine. Your store and designs are also advertised throughout the show, which are known to fill sims (last recorded audience was 75 people). Also your logo, landmark and name will be on and in the invitation sent out and viewed by thousands of residents. In addition you will be able to place your vendors selling your clothing the week of the show. This would be great exposure for your designs and it would also be much appreciated by our agency.
For photos of our Fall Formals fashion show, view this link:
Here is a landmark to the "A Dozen!" runway, bear with us, it is still under construction.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
ChloeRose Constantine, TOMA Fashion Liaison
Amanda Hinchcliffe, TOMA CEO
I found it interesting that that note was sent to Kimmera Madison and Tres Beau was mentioned, nor given credit for the event where 75 avatars packed the sim………..
This is one of those times when you all can say, "That Nave, he's such a loser………. so negative. He's no model but he knows it all.Whatta jerk!"
Have at it……….but now you know some things you didn't before you read this I bet.
ohhhhhhhh yeah before I forget. I'm a Mr Moolto 2010 Top 10 Semi-finalist go vote for me there. Or vote against me……………lots of greatr candidates.
I'm torn between voting for Seth Diabolito and Riocoracer Flux myself but Apollo is great too.
Damn who do I vote for?
Talon Faire isn’t NAILS she does EYELASHES
Heart and Soul Shoes came through with shoes for everyone…………..
I am so sorry I messed these 2 up. My bad
I’ve tried to get a grip on what’s happened to TOMA in the past month or so. Unsuccessfully though. One day Amanda is her then she’s not, She’s in, she’s out, in, out, in and outttttttttttttttttt. That’s it!
I know TOMA used to be a fun agency whose chat was a riot to lurk in. The group had some riotously funny people. Then it slowly began to crumble. Amanda became more dependent, more demanding, less accessible and finally pooof gone………..
The catch was that a show had been initiated, actually 22 designers shows had been triggered. Wrok was taking place, outfits collected, sponsors solicited, models recruited, sets built, scripts written – all the work that goes into producing a 9 day, 22 show event was underway and NO Amanda to be found. No word, no contact, no tiers being paid…
What to do? What to do? What to do ?????
So some with 4 days to go some people stepped up to the plate. Tiers were paid, designers re-contacted, a group was formed, sponsors were soothed, models were re-assured, a press release sent and a poster distributed and the show went on and on and on and on………
It wasn’t TOMA’s show anymore it was the Chloerose Constantine and Katherine Comet show now. Amanda was off the radar and lost in the ether.
The end result is this. ALL 22 shows went off, some spectacularly well, others a bit laggy but they came off. The Primary sponsors: Tunkinowaguma Hair< CCD/Caithlin Carter Designs (Jewelry and Amaranthim Talon's – Talon Faire (Nails) did some business and the models were ecstatic with their products.
The after party at Locked and Cali's was great too
Thanks to all who were involved in this ill-conceived but brilliantly produced event. I learned a lot from this one
FYI: This was typed at 2AM in the morning, so please excuse any typos or statements that don’t make sense.
Thank you all for your kind comments.🙂
Sorry, it has taken me so long to actually post something on my own agency’s page. LOL.
Like seriously, months and months. I don’t post much on here though, just got bored and decided to, and found very awesome comments from you all.🙂
Rico!!!🙂 OMG…I cannot believe that little ol’ me was the first person to give you a chance as a model…well, I guess I can, because I did…but wow! You have grown sooooooo much! I am so proud of you.🙂
For the record, if you may not know, Sasha (Steamweaver) is the former Co-CEO of TOMA.
And ending my response to Rico, your very welcome.
Mikey! Thank you so much! Your comment is very touching.🙂 You have also blossomed into a top model all over! Keep up the good work!
Litya! Thank you and your welcome!
Katherine! Oh lord, that was posted so long ago… Thank you so much!🙂 Your comment warms my heart very much! Lifing is pretty awesome, huh?😛
Your comment is absolutely sweet! Thank you so much!
Liane, I am sorry to hear you had been scammed in the past (which I found out through in-world chat with Liane). Scammers are scum. They cheat innocent people, for greed.
I am glad you found an academy to help you along with your modeling, that was legit.
Thank you for your comment, and your welcome for everything.
Until next time!
I absolutely love L’Autre Academie de Mannequinat. When I came to the academy I thought that it would all be a joke and would be conned into doing something dumb. But I learned many things and was absolutely pleased with the results. Lifing was great as instructor and I am glad to have met her. I would definitely let my friends know to try out L’AAdM. Thank you so much for giving me the experience.
This Agency and Academy ROCK!
I got my real modeling start with TOMA and then decided to go thru the Academy taught by Lifing Krasner. What an excellent experience to have a one on one opportunity with a modeling instructor who is so knowledgeable in the modeling industry. She truly knows the word “patience.”
I can’t say enough good things about the Agency as a whole. Amanda Hinchcliffe, the CEO, has done an amazing job with the number of shows and opportunities she gives her modeling staff to participate in.
TOMA feels like home to me and every one of the people representing this agency are top notch.
If you are given the opportunity to join this Agency, expect to be treated with respect and kindness… this should be their motto!
Thank you to Amanda for all her words of encouragement and to Lifing for answering my never ending questions.
YOU BOTH ARE NUMBER 1 ON MY LIST!
I think TOMA has been the best experience so far they were the first that gave me a chance when others rejected me. So i thank them for that, they were also very professional & nice people.
I totally concur with the words of RicoRacer Flux, who is a learned friend of mine and top model of which I very much look up to.
TOMA has proven itself to be a very well established and presented agency within the SL fashion industry. One of the greatest attributes I found personally favorable of TOMA is the many opportunities which TOMA offers its models.
TOMA is an agency which I hold on in high regard and a great honor to work for. Both Amanda Hinchcliffe and Sasha Steamweaver have put together a great team of models, many of which are well established within the modelling industry.
I have a very special place in my heart for TOMA because they are the first agency who gave me a chance and saw the potential of what I can offer as a model. The TOMA team especially Amanda and Sasha are always very supportive of their models and encourage growth in each and everyone. They treat everyone with respect and is very fair in their castings for the shows. They might be a new agency but they have a lot of work for their models. Thank You for making me a Top Model and I am very honored as well to be TOMA’s first Model of the Month. TY.
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