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Let me add to these other SAD stories concerning CWS , 1st of all i was ripped off by those scam artists for 47,000L You cannot place higher than 5th place in ANY Contest . due to the fact that the FIRST FOUR Finalists are all ALTS of the Owner !!!!!
I think its sad someone would pay 47k to be in a contest
Wrong…you cant place higher than 5th as 4 idiots ahead of you put more money in. Great logic, pay in 200k and win 100k, and think you have won.
However its not a scam, nobody forces you to put in so much.
What were you expecting, put in 47k and be first?
What does that say about you?
btw Brink is my papa y’all
It says you got a bit carried away is all
This isn’t a scam though, but shows just how we do get swept along with any sort of game like this
You aren’t the first or last.
I would say to anyone, if you are going to enter these things, only pay in what you will not miss, so a little a week for example builds up. Also be prepared to be disappointed, some people like Brink will pile in tons to win as they have ego issues, and think they are their avi, even if in RL are big fat hairy truckers living in trailer parks
Brink is my papa
I agree 100% with Hunny boo boo child, and thank you for your kind words . I was definitely new and naive and had not checked anything prior . . reviews , blogs , etc .
In closing I would just simply like to leave this statistic for future candidates to ponder .. ** 1 % ** of the entire **female** cast of CWS are actually female . . oh wait . . make that
** 0 % ** . . . . I left !!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Well I don’t think that’s true, and even if it was, it doesn’t really matter
The majority of CWS models are nice people, and do have a lovely drama free time.
Most of the drama in CWS is the same as with any agency, its caused by people in the group, is usually no big deal, and blown up out of all proportion, and rarely happens.
I think you will find at MVW, CWS, Avenue or anywhere, people have silly moments, which are few and far between, and then exaggerated in places like this.
I gotta say..Daddy Bear Brink come home boo boo misses you, and cries when she sees you dressed like a lady..and mummy says, its ok to be a lesbian in SL cos you are a man…heheehe
I want my daddy Janet Brink to come home y’all
CWS gags me.
I am sure it does…but with a name like yours, I don’t think anyone cares!
You disgust me
This agency report is somewhere people leave an aweful lot of venom which in RL maybe they would not.
So I thought I would write something of a dedication to a truly wonderful lady who passed away in the course of the last few days
Uneeque was kind, funny, a pleasure to be around and a sunny bubbly character. She was not the best model in SL that you would every meet, but she was living a dream that in RL she could not have. She also bought the best out of people, who in here there is so much rubbish spoken about.
I was with her in voice over 18 months ago, helping her fix her AO, for the millionth time. She was dyslexic and had problems with the tthing. When she suddenly found her hubby in RL dead. I did not know what to do. So I told Anrol. Anrol without telling me called Unee on the phone, and spent many hours giving her what support she could. She also sent the most amazing wreath. I only found out as Unee told me. Anrols genuine kindness really puts some of the spiteful cold mean things I have posted in here into perspective.
Despite our falling out Anrol informed me today of Unee’s passing. So Unee’s magic has worked again, by making us talk in a courteous decent way, bad spellings included.
Unee was everything SL models are about. She could be something in SL that she couldn’t even dream about in RL. She didn’t need to come here and post nasties, she just got on with things and had fun.
I will never forget her, and the way she would make me laugh and left me with some amazing memories, which if it had not been for SL modelling I would not have had.
This is hilarious SLFBI, like we cannot tell you are Anrol Anthony, it really made my sides ache with laughter. Be GONE Ms Anthony and take all your fake ass models and staff with you. Good on Nave Falls for seeing her for what she really is. I have nothing further to say on CWS, as far as I am concerned Anrol Anthony has gone (well not the person behind the avatar), no doubt she will be using her numerous alts to exploit many many more poor souls. RIP Anrol, maybe one day you can come back and haunt CWS.
Come ON people these biot ches are all Anrol, why do you think Janet and Sunrae and Kairlyn have won almost ALL the contests and now OWN cws…..be gone queen anrol yeah queen of trolls.
The infamous Janet Brink ….ohhh pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeee! What the hell were they thinking on that one. Classes will be amazing with Brink, you`ll talk about Janet, Janet then there will be another class on Janet and finish up with the last classwill be all about,…….. you guessed….Janet!
She has no idea the loathing the model population have of her, but of course having an EGO is that big she will think its because people are jealous, like WTF its a game your a pixel you are not REAL both in sl and rl I might add.
Strange “ashamed as anything” you mention the word “he” in your post, I too have heard this avatar is a man, I wonder if she has the balls to respond in here. Come join us Janet we would love to hear what you have to say about yourself, after all, we do all love you and every model in SL looks up to you……………………NOT!
What greater oppotunity will you get to talk about Janet than now! Keep drinking the kool aid it may help. Good luck to anyone that attends that place, my advice keep your lindens and put them to better use, there are far better agencies on the grid, beleive me, I have been to many, Maneira, Avenue, to name a couple, you will actually learn something. Have a nice night everyone, now I got to sleep, Ciao!
Just laughing to you all. I made a comment last year about Cws that Anrol and Steve are very smart and savvy. That doesn’t mean they’re bad, just smart. This is true people they outsmarted you all. I have been following this agency and even enrolled to her school and joined the contest. One thing I noticed about Anrol that she is very organized and do response to all my questions. I did tested her and Steve to see if they will scam me. They have a contest for Ms Calendar and I told Anrol that I will give her the lindens directly and beat the highest vote or send her 100,000L if she will make me their model right away. I did kept all my conversation with Anrol and her staff and this is what she said to me
[2011/03/22 15:01] Anrol Anthony: sorry dear we dont do that here, we have our rules here to follow, here is the note on how to become a model here and she ignored me after that.
I also enrolled to their class, An exciting adventure.
The staff, instructors were patient, helpful and kind. Learning the different poses, walks, timing, formations couldn’t have been accomplished with out the professional and experienced st all that make up UCWS. It was exhilarating. Bonus for me was when I learned how to make my own blog and Laylah Lecker were great.
On the first day I should mention Anrol was up front about what to expect in the fashion world of modeling. There was no room left to doubt what to expect. It was honest and truthful. I was really blown away of her professionalism.
I doubted CWS before because of this blog and a lot of people are saying all negative things about them. That is why I did joined Cws just to see who is this person Anrol Anthony and if you google her name you will see tons of her name in google very interesting person. I joined Cws to see the fact and If I were you check them out first before judging them.
and I found out why people hate Cws ? You people who are Cws haters are sore losers. If you check them before hating them, you will see they have tons to offer.
I remember how Debbiedoo spend a lot of time training me over and over because I was testing her if she will do it or not and she did spend her time with me explaining over and over lol, even thou i know how to do it. She was patient enough to spend her time with me.
I attended different schools in sl and by far Cws is the number 1 and 2nd is Maniera, the worst school to attend is BOSL by frolic mills, most trainers do not know what they are talking about and they are not prepared all the time. So this is my opinion about CWS.
Like I said Anrol and Steve are very smart and savvy. That doesn’t mean they’re bad, just very smart.
Well well, dont be fooled by Anrol Anthony, fact is i think she works for linden. I bought a land from Model Portal and found out now that is Anrol’s alt. According from Model Portal she works for Anrol and manages her 24 sims in sl. She was trying to sell and transfer the land to my name and having trouble on doing it. She said she will message her boss Anrol to tp her so she can do it. Suprise , surprise, instead of Anrol tpying in instead one of the linden came over and did it for her. Now Do tell me on what you think on this scenerio.
No wonder why Lindens warned Nave falls to shut his mouth or quit slandering Anrol Anthony or he will be remove in sl.
Now you know who you dealing with.
Now that explained everything, I reported CWS several times for spamming my group and and talked to the live operator chat here in sl and all they will tell me was ignore it and just delete the note when you get a note from them simple. WTF is that. No wonder why they protect cws all the time
CWS SOPHISTACATED WINNER 2013
Does anyone smell a rat with this latest post from the scammers themselves, read on…… Sunrae Sintzu wins a CWS Crown , Kiralyn wins 2nd runner up, three days later they own Classic with styles….Not a SCAM/? I would like to hear peoples reactions to this one for sure….
Thank you so much everyone. I am truly humbled by this experience. To win three crowns consecutively is so exhilarating I can’t even describe it. I am donating a portion of my prize money to relay for life, so thank you Harley, Sidney and Steve, you have helped to raise over $275 US dollars for Breast Cancer Awareness. Your time and dedication to this pageant is appreciated more than you know, thank you for the honor you have given me, I will treasure this moment forever. Thank you Anrol for the many opportunities and friendship you have given to all of us models here at CWS. Congratulations Kiralyn and Laci, you were both outstanding. I am so very proud of the wonderful job all of the contenders did in the Ms Sophisticated pageant, you are all amazing models and you are part of the reason why Classic With Style is simply the best.
Even more important than winning a crown I hope that I have contributed to increasing awareness to the importance of fighting cancer. I can’t wait to get started on the pink r
I can’t wait to get started on the pink ribbon pageant and I hope everyone here at CWS will participate and help promote the pageant for others outside of CWS to participate as well. I think we have the potential to raise a lot of money for the relay for life fund.
Thank you again.
And I hear Nina Brianna and Tiffani Celestalis are jumping ship…. Vicky, Lisana come on get off now before its too late.! At least we lose the Troll, but hey is she really leaving, have you all been being scammed all along??? I put it to you over at CWS, to put your money were your mouth is and defend the place, you got a uphill struggle with this one…..it smells of SCAM. You decide!
What I don’t understand is why you joined their pageant to begin with, specially if you know this site. We have warned against these people over and over right below your post.
You were scammed indeed, but I have no sympathy.
What about Brink? this individual is about as popular as a ham salad at a Jewish wedding, and I would not be surprised if he/it/she is lurking in the background like the circus freak he is.
CWS pageants aren’t scams, its clear that the more you pay in the more chance you have of being in the final. Sure people were encouraged to pay in, but NO is an easy answer. They are also fun, so although its not fair that if you have little cash you cant get in, sadly that’s life.
However when you have 2 individuals who continued in the event effectively making others continue to pay to keep up, knowing what they knew, then that is very very low indeed. NO way was this Anrols fault.
Sunrae made a statement of paying a proportion of her winnings to a lovely cause. Reading her comments made me think she was the new Pope or something. Maybe she will get be a saint before she dies. She however paid into this charity what was in effect her own money and we can all do that, we just don’t preach that we did
This wasn’t a scam, but it was despicable. If either of these two were not so vain, then maybe they would have pulled out quietly and let someone else have had a go instead. I don’t know who were 11th and 12th and therefore eliminated, but I do feel that they should have their contributions refunded by these two cheats
Sure Anrol wasn’t perfect,, and sometimes her need to please people meant that she left herself open to all sorts of accusations. This disgusting event though was NOT her fault, she cant be responsible for the acts of others. I am ashamed I have these two jokers on my Friends List, along with Brink they will be removed
After reading the pages and pages of complaints about CWS.Don’t you think the people that entered are a little bit stupid to begin with?Sometimes in life you get what you deserve,and some people just have sucker written all over there foreheads.Same goes for contestants in MVW and this Metaverse nonsense where ever a chicken can win.
Well just because it written here doesn’t make everything correct, but you are right.
However not everyone comes here and reads things.
My point was that if you enter in good faith then being cheated will help you vote next time with your feet and go elsewhere.
I never won, so I am feeling well and truly plucked off, that’s a chicken joke!
Did you say this Metaverse contest even a chicken can win ?LMAO well a chicken did win Michela Benazzi!! unbelievable that shows Hethwen’s taste right there(BAD).We already knew he had bad taste before he had to go and prove it further.
.ohhh pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeee! CWS pageants are scams, its clear that the more you pay in the more chance you have of being in the final., you get in the final but do you win no it always one of Anrol pet win’s ,:(Classic With Style has a lot
of good models in it but they need to wake up and get out
omg with classic with no style we all know they are scam artists this is really getting old and nobody cares.If people are stupid enough to give them money just like people are stupid enough to give MVW Academy money to learn how to *cough* style then let them be morons nobody cares and nobody cares about Dolce and her plethora of agency names for her one agency either
well we should care because every day there are new avatars in sl that want to become models and cws look WoW to a new model it not that they are stupid ,the look of cws win you over
and yes i was one of them till i woke up,
You are going to be busy writing about CWS and every agency that has an academy.Every single one is a scam .
I attended different schools in sl for modelling and alot off them where very good,so not all academy are scam
Yes, no one cares about my “plethora” of names for my one agency. The word ‘plethora’ describes a lot of something…a large amount…even unlimited or an abundance.
In January 2009, DeJaVu Modeling was created.
In March 2010, DeJaVu became DEJAVOGUE, which, btw, was made public by myself.
We are still DEJAVOGUE and no other name changes or additions have happened since March 2010, therefore your mundane and repetitive posts all over this site about Dolce and her name changes are invalid, as is your use of the word plethora.
Dolce do yourself a favor take some good advice and just be quiet.Nobody cares about Dejawho
This is the Agency report page so if Dolce has something to say about DEJA this is the place to do it
Come on folks Anrol has been scaming people in SL since she landed in her first info-hub. She and her boy have stolen linden left and right with many a prim eye watching and many a hand helping, not sure why people turn a blind eye or even help them, because i know for a fact that in that small clique the only one who benefits is Anrol. This Asian troll with her many avatars, has cheated her way thru SL. Every single contest rigged, every single event manipulated. But all that goes around comes around, I see the Not Classic and without any style maven as a runaway train…yeah a wreck in the making, with a trail behid of all the people she has stabbed in the back and all the people she has stolen from, and when she does crash the SL Gods will make it so that she walks away not one penny richer. Im watching and will be happy to see how this miserable bitch, end up.
Ok, another hater of CWS founders? Wow, such a crab mentality occurs. Pulling someone when on top. It only shows that your jealous and trying to pull out models from CWS. Then good luck to your filthy black plan. As black as your blood. lol . do you think you will succeed ? Nah, you will ear your own words soon, like Debbie eating her own shit. hahaha. These dramatic people has no future life and you guys better not to be on sl when you can’t be happy with someone’s success. Have a life drama queens. lol . Why does do your own thing and have fun then.
Very informative if you understand backwards kindergarten writing, you really should just sign as Anrol, as this was very difficult to understand. Or maybe you were drunk when you wrote it!
Looks like DebbieDoo Tigerfish is back. Oh I’m sorry. Is your new name I have a Mayan Diary or Oh dear? You have so many faces. I just can’t keep track.
Yep I am back, but only to read a lot of the funny stuff in here. I said everything really negative about CWS and all the positives I typed over the last 2 years I meant as well, people can make up their own minds it’s only SL after all. If people like the pageant thing and don’t mind paying a fortune to be in them, then that’s their business. People come to SL and spend a fortune on SIMs to live in, where they don’t really live, or spend fortunes on Photos of their avi which isn’t really them, or fortunes on playing Barbie dress up. That’s fine too.
SL in made up of groups, they are like little clubs. You can come and go from these as you please, CWS is one, MVW is one, the one I have is one too. If you aren’t happy as a member you can leave.
However if someone pays you 200 lindens to be in a show, that’s about 25 cents an hour, explain to me why on earth some people think they are indebted to the person paying them this vast sum?…Its not just with CWS its all SL. If someone in rl said hey I will pay you 25 cents an hour, and in return I expect 100% loyalty, you would laugh at them.
If someone says give me $40 and you now belong to me, you would go hmmmmm what a nutcase. So why do we all do that when joining these so called schools in SL. It is also beyond me why people think they have doctorates in modelling after completing the CWS advanced classes. I do appreciate many in RL are ignored and for once in their lives they can feel that they have achieved something and that’s great, but doctorate oh please that’s so tacky. UCWS is a great place for new models, I would recommend it in a flash, but advanced give me a break. In search of a few extra lindens a good thing is being ruined and that’s a shame.
So had an interesting conversation with someone in SL recently who had some very interesting information, straight from Anrol.
Anrol is apparently delusioned to the point of thinking…and telling others, that I got my start in modeling with CWS…*and* that I won’t admit it. She also went on to say I was a bad model, started my company in 2008, don’t know much about modeling and that I hate CWS.
For the record…I, Dolce Enderfield, have NEVER been a part of CWS at any time in my SL. If I had, I would admit it.
I didn’t get my start in modeling at CWS. I got it at LA Modeling Academy. Loxley Tatham was my instructor. I’ve also been through about 90% of Miss Virtual World Modeling Academy.
I’m not a professional model. I’ve done modeling here and there, but I have never claimed to be a professional model or know everything about it.
I started Second Life in October, 2008. I didn’t start DEJAVOGUE…which was known as DeJaVu back then, until 2009.
I do hate CWS though and I make sure I try to pull out as many people from that black hole as I can when I come across them. It’s a shame how many have been scammed by CWS and mislead…and undertrained…and sad how many people still look the other way or are blinded from the truth. Oh well.
I wouldnt say under trained, UCWS is good, when it comes to training new models
The problems start when models graduate and start to get the IM telling them how great they are, and just 2000 will get them an advert, or boost and double your vote.
You will be encouraged to join advanced classes for 12500, where you will learn advanced desription writing and advanced posing for Anrols tacky shows.
Anrol does this for your lindens, it is a waste of them, and at the end she calls you a Doctor of modeling, it is enough to make my toes curl and cringe.
Most leave shortly after graduating but before Advanced, as they can see what is going on
It isnt the fault of the models who are at CWS, it is all Anrol and Steve, they started with a wonderful concept and let greed take over.
It now means so many who loved the school leave, and do fantastic elsewhere, I will not mention names as they will not thank me.
Anrol will tell you everyone and their dog started at CWS. Then you have to spend ages denying it.
In my opinion it is SL, it really doesnt matter where you started, it is where you are that counts, and how you behave.
All I would say, is the only worry you should have is if you are Anrol or Steve, as it must be sad to know so many despise you, when it could and should have been so different.
Being a CWS model is nothing to be ashamed of, just dont put it in your model resume, it doesnt help you !!
yeah right O My, those backstabbers need to back off. All I can say is they need to put up their own modeling agency in LS and stop clinging on someones fame or let say. “JUSTBACKOFF”!!! lol, Let’s have fun and enjoy the moment. SL or your love what you want in SL is supposed to have fun. If someone is not happy anymore in that agency then take a leave. As simple as that. lol. LONG LIVE CWS!!! ARRIBA!!!
Ok I wrote negative stuff about Anrol, but didnt write positive
I made a promise to some friends that I would stop posting mean things here, so am writing some private truths
I was with a model, who discovered her hubbie dead, whilst I was with her. It was no act and not a SL bs. Whilst I was in a daze for days after, Anrol had called the lady, and made sure she was fine and sent a bunch of flowers. I know this to be true as I was in voice with the lady concerned..Not the act of a bad person
We had another lady who was terribly ill. Anrol would ring her and then update us all weekly on her recovery. Again not the actions of a bad person
Anrol helped me through an illness I had, and was genuine and kind
Alot of things I wrote in here were through fustration as I know what a good person Anrol is. I was CWS for 2 years, and dont regret a second. UCWS is an amazing place where Vicky, Laylah Lisana and Tiffani are given a free hand. Also Nina is a terrific person and great with free classes. Sure the poses are terrible but so what frankly, the formations are first rate and classes couldnt be better
I also discovered a few things I posted I should have looked into more deeply as I was wrong. The lady who spent $100 was happy as can be with her purchase and was annoyed at me for posting what I heard. I apologise
The pageant last night I wasnt at, but the result for the winner will be special, and even though it is SL, she will no doubt be over the moon today. Without Anrol that dream maybe wouldnt have come true
To Anrol and all my friends at CWS and in particular the 4 trainers and Nina at UCWS whom I adore, I apologise for my silly outbursts
Agree if you don’t like cws get out there are a lot off other agency you could go to
LONG LIVE CWS!!! I LOVE CWS!!! ARRIBA!!!
LONG LIVE CWS!!! ARRIBA!!!
you say long live cws!!! well if it going to live long Anrol need to get all the back stabber… in her group out
Whoa!!! Chillaxxxxxx…. be cool.. Why you people can’t enjoy the moment? Wait, I was been misinterpret. Word GAMER, coz i play a lot of internet games. But I care every friend I meet in SL. What I said if you want to achieve a beautiful avatar , of course you need to spend more money. CWS is a modelling agency /University which will teach you with poses and etc. CWS offer free modeling training. You people have so many drama’s. lol. So about boost voting, part of it you need to be in top 10, yeah boost it. Even in real life there are some contest like that you need to boost. FYI. Ok as simple as this. Manage your own modeling agency and mind your own business. Stop attacking CWS or any CWS staff. You guys have crab mentality. lol.
Why you keep on attacking CWS ? Boost voting is part of marketing strategy, so why you keep on whining ? Yes there are boost voting to be in top 10. But At the end , models need to be stylish in order to get the crown. We both know that SL is a GAME. Gamers need to spend money, to achieve what they want. WE ARE IN THE GAME!!! If models wanted to be a crowned winner or want to be popular, they must spend money. I AM A GAMER. I keep playing special force, dota, Rapels, league of legend , and I spend thousand of dollars just to achieve the characters what i want in my game. It is my choice. Models want FAME? Then CWS for me is the BEST! CWS
you need to get out more.
Marketing strategy?…you are having a laugh.
Spending thousands to achieve the characters you want to achieve, you should spend some on removing your head out of your ass, as it seems to be stuck there
it seem our Anrol has lot’s off back stabber… in her group not just her models but some of her TRAINER to, if this keep up i can’t see CWS around for much longer
What crack have you been smoking over there? “Boost” voting is Anrol’s way of bilking more lindens out of members you dope!!!! Marketing? Oh is that what it’s called when she is IM-ing everyone who has shown her there financial hand, prodding them to spend more? Is it “marketing” for her and that troll she lies and calls her husband, to put bogus names on the boards with false amounts to get people to spend more and score the top 10? Yeah that must be what that’s called LMAO!!! You still believe those pageants aren’t rigged or fixed? Hmm, ok yeah it’s the best who wins. Uh huh. Right on ROFL!!! Fame? Is that a joke? You actually think you’ll achieve any level of SL fame or positive accolades being associated with CWS? Oh yeah you are PERFECT for that place, you should probably stay right where you are!!! Get a clue GAMER!!!
Still laughing over marketing strategy…Drugs dealers have those too, go find some lost soul and sell them bad things.
I have one too…I am going to find you inworld and sell you 1000 lindens for 1500, and put that towards the cost of buying me a whole new load of fame.
Models in SL dont get fame. do you walk down the street shouting, hey I just got me some fame and it cost me $400?..call me captain Special Force or Captian Poopoo pants to my friends…. I also roam the gaming world killing the bad and restoring good..After I have shaved the palms of my hands I then go SL and become Janet Brink..super dooper model
!!! If models wanted to be a crowned winner or want to be popular, they must spend money…so it this how you make friends in CWS..you spend money and people think oooooh I want to be her friend?..so you dont make friends by being civil and pleasant..you buy them? That must be why after Brink TPs in late to fashion shows everyone runs to her and says…oh Janet we are glad you are here…oh please spend some more lindens so I can like you some more…or do they all go..Oh its Brink look away and pretend you didnt see it arrive
What’s the difference between CWS and MVW really? They are both a scam sucking deluded people in .The biggest difference is MVW has a flashy webpage.
awwww, bitter much? sounds like you failed at MVW tryouts and at CWS, now that really is sad
That must be it someone thinks a contest is a sham buahaha so they must be bitter!! I see you must be one of the deluded.
or as I did, come on the lst night and pay the minimum to get 10th. Dont be a chump and spend 150,000 to win 100,000…I paid 12000 max..no matter how hard you try to convince me otherwise this makes you a complete fool.. I know its your money etc and good luck, and I have 10000 and am willing to give it to you in return for you giving me 15000, I will also throw in a tacky crown worth 1000 and a 99L outfit designed by h great guru and named Jafter anet Brink that she paid 20,000 to have named after her….99L sorry 1L and even then its overpriced
Better still I have made a hat…its a box really…20000 and it gets named after you as well..now thats a bargain!!!!
Firstly pageants at CWS arent really a con, they are a way a greedy person plugs into the vanity of those who maybe in RL dont have the attention they crave. Saying no is easy, when you have vanity issues its hard. Or if you dont understand how the boards work, then being mislead is an easy way to get stung. So I will explain, and teach you way of getting in and not losing too much rl cash
Joining the boards is the way to join CWS groups. Its like a joining fee, and that is fine. 25 Lindens isnt alot to join. It also allows you to enter the nightly stylings, which can be fun. Each night its true 1000 lindens are given in prizes, so maybe paying in small amounts no more than 100 a week.are not unreasonable and over 20 weeks or so you can build up a fair amount without breaking the bank. SO where does it all go wrong?
Its the misleading. Many models incuding me would latch onto he top 10 on the boards each week and try and remain there. The great guru in SL fashion would encourage this. On Saturdays her or her husband rl..cough.. lol..sorry…would announe the boost, where your votes between certain hours would count as double. Forgetting to mention that this as subject to a minumum of 500 lindens, and that 2 xtra votes for every 3 isnt really double…but hey who cares about the truth
Anyway for weeks models would come to me, telling me they are top 10, and I would say it means nothing
On the last night of voting, a date that you never get told when you enter, models gather and start to pile on lindens to be top 10, so ladies who had spent weeks getting excite suddenly are eliminated. My view is on on hand its gambling you lost too bad, but on he other hand you suddenly realise a few of the names on the boards in top 10 you never came across before. You only realise later that these in fact belong to the fashion guru of SL. Its cheating, and maybe against toc, but I am not sure. So the tip…stay away from pay to enter, unless you have the cash to burn, or are an alt of the guru herself.
we gonna get you .!!
Mavi beck you slut
uhm ok. But if you have any problems with me – talk to Vaalith Jinn
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This is just a friendly notice
Tonight it is the final night of paying into the boards for pageants
How people spend their money is their business.
Some even spend 150,000 to win 100,000 but again being unable to work out that if you spend more than you win maybe is evidence that SL needs basic money spending lessons. First lesson goes…which is a bigger number?..10 or 11…and we go on from there…
Its a free world and good luck to you, btw I have 1000 lindens, you give me 1500 lindens and its yours.
So where was I?
Tonight when you go to the last minute voting, which tbf is fun, if you see the following people then they are Anrol and she will be voting on boards..so be warned…Modal Portal..is Anrol..Beautty Destiny…is Anrol and yes the self proclaimed fashion guru in secondlife cannot spell Beauty…Anyone called Vanessa..unless its a reall vanessa..are Anrol too
I am not saying dont spend, thats your choice, and if you win the crown…worth $3 in real life then good luck to you, really you can tell all your real life friends you spent in excess of $400 USD to win something worth $3…but somehow I dont think you will
Anrol also in final asks you a question..its usually something tacky …ask her one…something like..how do you sleep at night..alone btw…knowing that someone like you who is not a bad person does some pretty devious things…
Hopefully Anrol will have the IRS give her a financial colonoscopy while she’s wide awake.
She’s had this coming a long time and whether Debbieeeeeeeee feels bad is of no concern whatsoever. Anrol has ripped people off for years and deserves the reaming she’s getting
LOL. Now you realized what you’ve done is inappropriate . LOL. Think thousand times before you post or it might uplift you, people might sympathized on you, or worst makes you more vulnerable. It’s good that you apology. Hopefully , everything will be ok. Good luck to your future endeavor Debbie. :)
At least you did the right thing at the end …
Too much drama. LOL.
Absolutely right and the drama was out of nowhere from me.
I have caused an aweful lot of upset amongst alot of people at CWS, and even if I believed what I wrote, should have been more dignifed than starting some pointless drama.
It doesnt matter if I believe in what I typed, but this is certainly the wrong place
So I apologise to Anrol and CWS. There are better ways to do things than post in a site like this.
Going to get some grif but pfffft I kinda deerve tht…lol
okies dramacsed by me is iover and don with
Drama is over and done with by me…and am so going to get ridiculed…lol
big thumbsup for Debbieeeeeeeeeeeeee
Anrol is, finally, getting what she has coming.
I bet she’s swetting the IRS
Debbie, you are such a backstabbing little bitch.
I wouldnt say a back stabber…more like I poked her in the eye with a great big nasty old stick
Debbie… you are a scumbag. I am not a CWS fan at all. I think they are a joke and need to be closed down. But watching the way you are the biggest fan for years and then spitting and hissing in your butthurt, even reporting Anrol to the IRS? Yeah sorry. You are proving to be a far bigger viper then anyone you are currently stabbing, and I’d recommend any SL business stay far, far away from you.
a few things, I will stop posting as I have upset a few SL friends by doing so.
Secondly I have never said anything like CWS need to be closed down. They dont!
UCWS is a good school, the poses are not good, but that doesnt mean the school is bad, far from it. Anrol had a hands off approach and it worked. In 2 years she never once gave me a bad time and let me get on with things.
All I want is for Anrol to be less greedy and be more open.
I have not called anyone a scumbag, and in the past have posted as this place is to make comments about agencies and schools and not have digs at models.
Anrol is not all bad, I can write a ton of good things too. What I have said is done now, and no need to repeat!
As for your ringing endorsement, I will post it in my profile that you will recommend businesses dont deal with me…my only question is do I refer to you as ano.or gutless wonder…
Anyway tc and have a nice day….I mean it really…
oh bless I just found out the mighty Anrol is doing a lesson tomorrow…on how to find jobs with other modeling agencies
I wonder if she will count hiding CWS groups….as a great way to start..just saying
LMAO!!! Exactly. Like you pointed out, I hope her syllabus includes removing CWS from your picks and groups, because it’s name is toxic in the industry and any member affiliated with CWS will be shunned!!! Besides, is SHE actually delivering the lesson or will it be her patsy Steve101 who will log in on her avi? Lord knows the woman is a hot a$$ mess.
I cant figure out why, but you removed me from your FL. I guess you must be busy with the IRS, or maybe cant tear your avi away from the mirror..and hey saying mirror mirror on the wall..who is the biggest scammer of them all..wont make it lie and say someone else…
Anyway I thought it would be lovely to type to you from here, as I worked out a neat little one you do
Well Its is all about when models leave CWS, often with your help.
In particular ones who have large amounts on the boards. Now you have a simple rule, you can only be on the boards if you are a group member, in fact its the only way you can join, much like a joining fee really so no problem. Now when someone has a ton on their board and you have taken a dislike you know you cant just remove them, as thats theft really, nice and simple, so simple that you can understand it. So what you do is remove them from the modeling group. It makes the model angry as she cant be in shows, and as a model thats fun, even if you pose like you haven been in a wheelchair for 6 months and you just got up. So guess what, they leave, and you get to keep their money. Now thats not theft…buttttt shhhhhhhhh we all know its is really..its very vey naughty too.
Miss you muuahhssss
Idk Debbie, unless Anrol has previously notified each paid participant that any money they put up is completely non-refundable, she may have a real problem here. That comes pretty close to theft!!! You give Anrol money in good faith, with the understanding you’re going to be included in her PAID pageant and she boots you from the CWS group without cause and without refunding your money? That’s stealing and further proof ANY and EVERY member of CWS has to be super wary of giving this troll $$!!!! We know she’s devious and employs all sorts of sick manipulations to con members out of their cash, but this just goes beyond!!!
you see thats my point, she does say the money is non refundable, and if you stay to the last day of these aweful things, then if you re outbid then thats the models loss. We have all been there, its gambling your risk. Doesnt mean I like it, but that is the way it is.
The thing is she cant remove you, as that is out right theft. However if you leave then the terms are that the amounts are non refundable, she thinks
I am no expert in law, but I thought for a contract to
be valid then it must be fair. I cannot see if it is fair if once you put the money in that you have to see things through to the bitter end.
This I am truly not sure about, but maybe it is a problem for her
I am not saying dont do these things, as we are all grown up and can make our mind up, what I am saying is be very very careful on parting with a single linden where Anrol is concerned
My own belief is Anrol isnt behind all this, but Steve is. Sure Anrol is greedy, I just cant seem to get it right in my head, that a nice person in voice can be so so different. I know steve logs as her, and unless he has a thing for badly fitting hair and terrible clothes then who knows. btw nothing she wears is named after me..I didnt go for those..pay tons to have a 99l outfit named after you things…lol
Ok before I bow out. Anrol has a habit of writing back to front…its np its her style
So this is an example of what her alts are posting…soooooo I have got through to her
AMsLovely Core: OMG… Now the truth is out, these griefers going on in sl. We doung out DebbieDoo Tigerfish is behind all of this. She hates Frolic and Anrol and she both grief their sims. Better watch out DebbieDoo pay back the bitch we are ready for you here in BOSL.
see its back to front words…nice
bloody typos sorry…..oh well not officer of the day today either…ooops
Btw if anyone has any doubts that I have written these things
[07:48] DebbieDoo Tigerfish: The you can IM me anytime you wish. Every word is true….
I did the tax emails as when you withdraw more than you put in, then this excess is income and therefore subject to tax. Now the tax authorities arent interested in tiny $100 here or there, as it would cost too much to chase
They are interested if the amounts are of a larger nature and where it can be shown that there is tax evasion and not a simple oversight
The authorities will usually prefer to deal with such things out of court by asking for the unpaid tax, together with interest from the date it was due and a punative charge. In the UK this can be up to 100% of the undpaid tax.
If it can be shown that those taking the money were also claiming for instance unemployment benefits or other social monies, then this moves into a whole new world. As failure to declare income in these circumstances is a criminal act.
I do hope Anrol and Steve you really arent in this category..really..but just to make sure you can sleep at night I have also very kindly on your behalf sent emails off to therlevant authorities, just in case you are too shy to.
Look at is as a friend helping you out.
Sooooo anrol I have sent a little email to IRS just so they know to look out for your tax return and I would hate it if you were not paying your dues
Steve I have done the same for you with the Canadian tax authorities
I know you will both thank me as I would hate to see you underpaying on all the lovely cash you have taken. I am sure all those you scammed will be grateful that a little of that is helping improve our economies by boosting tax revenues…ty ty
So all the time you have lindens in world its a little like Monopoly Money..You can spend you can earn, no probs
When you withdraw money that counts as a cost to Lindens and they are requiered by law to record this, as they can offset it against their income, and the difference between this and income, along with other costs is profit, and thats what they are taxed on
For us, most will only pull small amounts from SL and its usually around about the same amount as we paid in and therefore of no interest to the tax athorities
It like going to the shops buying something and then returning it for a refund. Same principle really
Anyway todays little corker for you all is a bit of a trip around the world of taxation and how it applies to SL and in particular Anrol and her ummmm husband..we will call him that just for the sake of playing up to her fantasy
Now SL is a legitimate business. It raises revenue by charging membership each month and also by selling Linden dollars to us. So when we buy a Linden money passes from our credit cards or paypal accounts into the Linden bank. This 100% counts to their revenue, and any costs they incur can be offset against that income, and the balance can roughly be called profit. That profit is then taxed. Simple really
When we buy a linden, its not really different from Monopoly money to us. We can go about our lives in SL and buy stuff. We can also set up business and other SL residents give us Lindens and so Lindens flow around SL, and we all have fun. Some will spend lots and top up by buying new, others make lindens by selling
Debbie, you’re not alone! So many of us can identify with the mental and emotional process you’re going through. Being associated with CWS is a roller coaster ride. When you’re new there it all seems amazing and for most, who are completely new and green to SL modeling or fashion, CWS has it’s elements of fun. You make friends and you trust the process. You’ll defend it to the death, until little by little you realize there is a lot that is bad and wrong with the entire set up.
I am solely responsible for the money I spent and I think everyone who eventually left, agrees and takes personal responsibility for that aspect. Here’s where the major problem lies: SL in general serves a purpose in most members lives, whether they’re there to find love, sex, role-play or exercise their inner creativity, it provides a virtual platform to, like you’ve said, “fulfill dreams” otherwise not possible in RL. For many, it’s in fashion and modeling. For me, it was playing with glorified Barbies lol. I loved styling and pushing the envelope with skins, hair, makeup, clothes, poses and writing awesome bios. As you well know, there are some really over the top styling opportunities at CWS and so yes, that can be a lot of fun.
Where things go terribly wrong is with Anrol. As you pointed out, the nutty pose sets, the rigid and systematic format of contests and pageants and the almighty dollar underlying EVERY aspect, ruins any joy derived from participating. What breaks my heart is seeing so many girls get caught up in the whole hoopla and the sick sense of needing to feel important there, all reason with regards to their personal finances, goes out the window. Anrol is a MASTER at marketing and sales!!! She knows exactly what will grab these gals, hook, line and sinker. It’s funny that you mentioned the pitch right after graduation. She’ll show up to deliver the UCWS final and rip some of the students apart. Many like myself feel like, “OMG, I spent so much money and time how could I have done so poorly?” You’re so desperate at that point for Anrol’s approval. Most don’t know any better and they are the ones specifically targeted for this approach. It’s all psychological. So you barely graduate by the skin of your teeth (so you think) and within a week or so, Anrol is IM-ing you. For me, I was floored, surprised and felt honored. After all, she was so unhappy with me at the final. Next thing I know she’s puffing me up and complimenting me. Telling me how wonderful I would be as a Calendar model and there are three other pageants I should enter. She told me they would really get me going with my career. I immediately jumped at this great opportunity. I’ll never forget the final voting night for a Calendar Month contest I was entered in, there was another model who was leading. Anrol IM-ed me and said verbatim, “I want you to win this, I do not want XXX to get it.” I replied, “Ok, why?” She lied, “Because she is NOT CWS!” I was fairly new and assumed she meant this was a girl who was not a member of CWS. Anrol flat out asked me if I had enough money to beat her, if not she would help me. I felt sort of sleazy about that, but I felt she had her reasons and she really cared about helping me grow my modeling career. There we were, standing in front of our pictures and bidding like crazy. The other gal put in a large bid and her votes increased. I didn’t even counter because I literally couldn’t, we’re talking like $50 USD to go ahead of her. Suddenly, my votes jumped through the roof. There were a lot of people there and I was so new at this, so at first I thought maybe other people were actually voting for me, but I quickly realized it was Anrol. The other girl believed it was me and IM-ed me. This crushed me and ruined the “win.” She said, “you seem like you really want this….Congrats.” My heart sank and I felt awful. Turns out she WAS a long standing member of CWS and had always been very loyal to Anrol. This is how she was treated. However, I was swept up into it all and continued to participate in one crazy pageant after another. It was like SL crack! Seeing your picture splattered all over the place, being announced at fashion shows as the latest flavor of the month and having all the new people treat you like a celebrity. I was forking over hundreds upon hundreds to win more. I didn’t want to fade away there. However, little by little I heard things from other dissatisfied members. I did win things there, but my CWS friends and I would compare our scorecards and things NEVER added up. There were times, I wondered if my wins were real or hand picked. I watched friends blow the competition away and lose. Their scorecards didn’t indicate the loss. It was nuts. Then a member came to me and told me Anrol had confided in her and asked her to help grief a pageant. That was the final straw for me. My head was already overflowing with knowledge of how the money thing was working. The last minute IMs and I had become painfully aware of the galactic and overblown bidding war Anrol had fostered between to fledgling models for a Calendar month that broke all CWS records for money spent. I was DONE and so disgusted!!!
Debbie, in retrospect and without all of the angst and nastiness of the past on here, I think I did say somewhere, you were a good instructor and you did seem to really care about the girls there. You and I were very close and it was soooo frustrating to see you on here defending that place. I DO understand why. I DO understand for you, it became more about staying there to protect these girls and I can’t take that away from you. I’m sure you regret a lot of the bad blood between you and some former CWS people. I regret my angst and many of the nasty rhetoric I used here also.
I do believe you have a lot to offer new models and I think there can be a way to have that element of fun and creativity without all the $$$ nuttiness. You always rewarded people for using what was in their inventory and creatively styling that way and you did discourage people from spending additional money. I think models in general are frustrated and disgusted with the way SL fashion has been trending and obviously reading ALL the discussion here, people are hungry for something unique and different. Fairness, seems to be the paramount issue on Agency Report and many big named people and organizations have been called on the carpet, relentlessly for the social BS going on in SL modeling. I hope you can be a pioneer to create something new and exciting!!!
I hope we can bury the hatchet and move on from this ordeal. Best Wishes.
hi and the hatchet was buried long ago. I regret the silly nasty and stupid stuff I said, and sometimes forgot what we were even talking about, and that was so wrong of me.
I always knew we were friends in SL and I know we still are and always will be.
As for what I do next, well Agency report is not for self promotion so will not mention it
As for what you went through OMG, and I was shocked to hear about the griefing, thats a new one on me, and makes me sad and angry that she would do that. I know the pageants are somewhat tacky affairs with the top 10 on the boards being selected. This is bad enough, buying your way to a final is a hollow way of getting there. I will tell you my best trick I played on the fraudster and between us one girl won the creepy calendar thing with less than 1300
The issue is the models who dont know how it works, who IM me saying wow they are nnow 3rd and anrols telling the they are amazing. I sadly tell them that this means nothing as none of the last minute spenders who have been stung before have voted. In the last 20 mins of the vote the boards are surrounded and the big $ flow..$50 may not sound much, but it is, so when you are trumped by a girl with $100 you are deflated. Sure its gambling, however ladies are mislead an Anrol knows that she makes money in the last 15 minutes, and she is nasty
I once made her go mental telling her the Linden dollar was being removed as there was some serious crash and all her money would go, I am sure I could hear her screaming she went mad, F***g over and over, I was crying laughing
On another occasion I was in the calendar nonsense, alongside Canidlicious..and a mysterious model came and was paying on my board..She would put $1000 L..candi $1500 etc until it got to $40000 when Candi put on $45000 and the lady pulled out…I dont care what people think of Candi but she was robbed,the model voting fo me was Model Portal…A name I never forgot as I was green. On my last day in CWS anrol told me her lat was Model Portal.. I have reported this
On another occasion another model and I got together in a quiet month..we were the only 2 at the board with the witch…I put on $10..the other girl $11…we got to $1300 eventually..I had been telling Anrol omg I have $50000 and gonna stuff her at the last sec,,between us we had agreed we would spend no more than $1500,and suddenly oooops I froze…oooooppssss..was the best day of my CWS…Anrol was omg omg..I was omg too…and didnt stop lauighing for a week..The moral….con artists like anrol are easily trapped by the most simple of cons themselves.
Wow, all I can say is BRAVO Debbie!!!! Finally, *big sigh* I commend you for coming forward and validating what a lot of us have suffered through and experienced. I think despite the bickering as you say, the main facts of the huge scam that is CWS is legit information, because it happened to us. Most of the angry people on here are Anrol’s victims. You were privy to a lot of information, but so are many others. For example, Anrol and Steve with multiple avis “griefing” pageant participants during a contest. The one on one IM-ing Anrol does in the last seconds of a Print Ad contest or the final minutes of closing the pageant “voting” and I use that term very loosely, as we all know NONE of those contestants gets in by actual “votes.” Anrol is notorious for tricking these poor gals into spending way more than they should for entry into a pageant and the whole promise of extra votes is a joke. They mean nothing!!! It’s all so grimy and sick. There are definitely some very staunch Kool-Aid drinkers there and they will say anything to assure their current positions. Then there are some savvy, stylish and sharp gals, who figure this all out on their own and split with lightening speed, but then there are some so sweet and naive they are just shamelessly taken advantage of and I KNOW the widow you’re speaking of. It just breaks the heart. Anrol doesn’t care and has NEVER cared about one employee or member. Her only concern is her financial bottom line. Debbie, you came on here under horrendous backlash in the past, I know I served a lot of it up to you on this blog. You defended her and CWS with genuine loyalty and devotion, but now she goes ape-$hit on you and treats you like this? The shear amount of $$ you have ultimately generated for her is staggering. It’s true you would dissuade gals from pageants, but Anrol was always in our ears too, saying things like, “you’re my new star. I want to see you beat this and that person.” I missed a boost on purpose once, so I didn’t have to spend anymore money. Logged on intentionally after it was over and had an IM waiting for me from Anrol stating she knew I wanted to boost and she put in $20K on name. I almost fell on the floor. I know for a fact she used the last two girls who both won multiple pageants. When enough complaints came in from the non-winners, that these two gals were winning everything and why should they keep paying to lose, all of the sudden both gals are given another win. Even though they were the best in mot instances. It’s so disturbing and tragic. Hopefully your coming forward like this will finally be effective at waking people up over there and with any luck Linden Labs will shut her down for good!!! She is evil and preys on the weak!!!
I meant to say are not given another win
yep you have always been correct, and it was very difficult challenging someone when you know they are right. I loved UCWS as I saw us independant of the witch. Despite the aweful poses, I think we did a good job.
Anrol never once asked me how students were doing, she didnt care
Her class was a copy and paste one, and the same every month. I think that speaks volumes
We were asked to remind students to boost or pay on the boards, I did the precise opposite, and I hope contributed to many leaving after graduting
I was often criticised for being soft on students and should have been tough. Well ummm these ladies paid lindens to learn, not to be treated like idiots. They are the customer and a trainers its our job to train in a friendly, positive and fun environment, where coming to class was something to look forward too. I know this was the case when I was student
I hated the slutty graduation togas if you could call them togas. Anrol wouldrepeat her graduation speach each month, same words, same meaning, ie nothing..she didnt spend 5 mins learning tiny fn stories to recount from each students time there
I hated graduation as I knew 2 or 3 months down the line most of my new friends would have left, bitterly disappointed and let down by a scheming fraudster and her equally scheming ummmm rl husband.
I am however blessed to have made so many friends from that place and very rarely do our lovely convos refer to CWS!!!
Could an should I have done something earlier?
Well yes I spent most of my time at CWS steering people away from the rip offs
Warning them of how she prays on people.
I came here on more than a few occassions and typed crap that I didnt believe in
I wanted to remain in CWS with some influence, and was there dozens and dozens of times telling ladies..stay away from pageants…its your money, dont waste it etc etc
I did get annoyed when people in here had pops at individual models and also got carried away in pointless arguments which became silly insult slinging, and I regret and apologise for that 100%
and dont get me going about set poses..ook ok
The set poses there are aweful and all us trainers tried our hardest to have them scrapped. You guessed it though Anrol had a way of making on these too
She would insist models buy the poses off her. To be in shows they had no choice
So Ballroom poses she created a set..renaming the poses, the daft chump as ballroom 1 2 3 etc
She also did the same with the blue runway, that happens to be red..oh well..so blue 1 2 3 etc
Also the beach 1 2 3 etc
Soooooooo thats 900 lindens…for 3 sets of identical poses in different order.. So I guess we all paid for the effort into renaming them
Even the greenest of new models knows…you use a thing called a notecard in an AO, and guess what Anrol you can have 1 pose on each 100 notecards if you want…see easy….
SO WHY MAKE PEOPLE BUY 3 ????
As for people who thought I was Anrols pitpull..well woof woof..I was anything but
I helped so many leave that place, and will continue to encourage others to think twice
Sure there are alot of good things there, I liked the styling as it was plain and simple fun.
The fashion shows were also good
I never liked the 5 models wanted for shows and youtube…at the end of each show..I will just put that down to bad wording..like heaven forbid Anrol wouldnt lie about the most simple thing
I also disliked the designers being introduced to the same words as the week before, with just the designer name changed, and even then that was wrong. Sorry Dani, I know you come from Europe but am sure being introduced as Paris was a simple oversight…
See I can even find embarassing stuff where things could and should have been perfect…given a little care and attention.
However there arent lindens to be made from fashion shows I guess
On a serious note…if you get those little IMs after you graduate saying wow you are doing so well…I am really proud of you…hey we have a magazine and 2000 will get you seen across the grid …expect shortly after a IM about the boost..you know where it promises to double your vote..so 2 votes gets you an extra 1…hmmmmm doubling huh…?…steange math there Anrol…you will be told come on 9000 is on the boost this week, you pay in 10000 you get the video…but sssshhhhhh dont tell anyone else…why?
As she is telling everyone else
You will part with your hard earned and not even get so much as a ty
You will not hear another thing as someone else will have paid more
Sure I could say a fool and their money etc..but most of these ladies are living a dream and are being seriously prayed upon. Lots of us just say yeah sure later, or sorry no can do, but many dont
If this happens to you, report it to Linden Labs
I cant do it for you, and now I have left CWS cant protect you from her
Please please please dont be fooled CWS ladies…this isnt fraud but it is being taken advantage of, and thats almost as serious
There is so much I could write, but there are only 24 hours a day
In class I treated people with patience and also made the experience as pleasant one, even though challenging
My view on modeling schools is simple. Its no different to building schools or photography or any place in sl where you can learn things to enhance your time there
People also pay 10,500 for these classes, although I cant understand why so much
So why then create Advanced classes costing a further 12,500 to get,,wait for it…a doctorate in modeling oh please
After payment you receive the curriculum. I refused to teach the lessons assigned to me as it is a serious rip off.
For example my lessons…were advanced Bio Writing and you guessed it advanced dome bio walk..how do do 3 poses in an advanced manner. No doublt using your left little pinkie whilst sipping tea from you right hand
Why not tell students before expecting 12,500 what the classes involve,so they can spend the amount on something more meaningful..like 100 trips in a hot air balloon…At UCWS advanced we supplied the hot air, we just didnt have the balloons
OK time for some more truths
In CWS there is a model who is kind caring and decent. She isnt in modeling to be a diva or in mags, she does it as its fun. She trusts people, and see’s good in everyone.
She is also a widow and is not cash rich in rl. Anrol knows this.
So why is Anrol in her IM telling her 2000 gets you a place in our mags. Why is she in her IM saying come on 20,000 wins you the boost this week. In all Anrol took $100 from this woman. You could argue the lady involved should and could have said no. However she isnt the first or last to be hit with a hard sell
My question is simple Anrol Anthony. If you had a shred of humanity in you why were you asking for her money in the first place
I challenge you openly to answer me in SL radio and on SL TV why you behave this way
I am ashamed that I ever called you my friend and am relieved I am no longer
Rather than being negative there are good things there too. The school is run by the trainers and Anrol gives them absolute permission to run classes as they see fit, within a sensible curriculum. Sure its hard to spend lessons teaching about how to put pose sequences together and how poses should match outfits and not go through prims for example and the have to have them doing the tacky and aweful set poses for formations. However my view as I know once they graduate students tend to stay with CWS for a short period and then move on, or go for castings whilst there..my lessons were directed a life in the real modeling world of SL.
My only issue with the school was it was overpriced a 10,500 and forgetting to mention to students that on top of this they would need 1500 on a huddles and another 1500 on aweful poses was an oversight…and a pretty big one at that….
In my time I sent over 60 sudents to UCWS and sponsored them, this sounds alot, but it was over 2 years. Of the 500,000 Lindens I spent, not once did Anrol say ty or got it…rudeness just adds to my contempt. I am now being accused of disloyalty, so am not really sure how brining 60 students to an amazing school is disloyal..Of those 60, maybe only 10 are with CWS…and no doubt its gonna reduce very soon
Secondly the fraud I have discovered and reported. The celina fund was setup for models to donate to, and the funds then used to sponsor students in UCWS. Calling it a scholarship is misleading, its just a way of paying Anrol indirectly and tbh no problem.
We discovered Celina was infact not real, and were all shocked, none more so than Anrol as she had been duped like the rest of us. She is not a bad person just greedy. So at that point the fund had celinas name removed and was kept as a fund, as the aims of it are to sponsor
However I sat down after a disagreement with Anrol about my disloyalty, and thought…hmmmmm I sponsor 60 over 2 years..yet only maybe 10 have been through UCWS on the celina fund…costing th fund maybe 90,000. I am also sure Anrol kindly helped fund students with pose money.although I did this with other trainers…so add another 40,000…so maybe 130,000 or 150,000 has been used correctly.even round that to 200,000…I suspect in 2 years over 500,000 has been paid in as I know many pageant winners in good faith would donate 50% of winnings..and we had fund raising events too and the collection things around cws were also always full to briming..my question is were is the missing 300,000?..if it was used to add onto cws or UCWS then ths is a misappropriation of funds and therefore a serious fraud. You cannot ask for money to pay for one thing like this and spend it on something else. On working this out I decided that I cannot have anything to do with this, and also knowing this and doing nothing makes me guilty of covering up and by doing so being party to that fraud
After alot of thinking I have decided maybe now is the time to say exaclty how I feel about CWS.
This week I decided the time to leave UCWS was right, and one of the reasons is due to the fact that I live in England and CWS operates on SLT, and going to bed at 1am on four or five nights a week was impacting my RL family life and work. These do come first
This is not some ego trip or a visit to vanity Lane, but as I have taken so much rightful ridicule in here, that its time to set the record straight, and let people draw their own conclusions on Anrol and Steve’s SL business practices. Everything I write is true and is with Linden Labs
so will post a bit at a time
I was judge recently in a free to enter competition where the prize is 10,000 being donated by a designer. Its no small amount and the models will spend hours and in some cases days of sl time preparing. The other 2 judges are honourable and decent people. The competition is great, 2 getting elimnated each week, but not in a humiliating way. In the last but 1 show a lady was eliminated. I knew the scores of the other two judges, both placed her 1st..I placed her 3rd…so was somewhat suprised when I found out she was eliminated as 7th. In RL I am FCA (CPA in US terms) and even without using a calculator knew this was a mathematical impossibilty. She was eliminated as Anrol didnt like her. This is cheating of the lowest order, makes the judges look stupid but more importantly is a slap in the face for a woman who spent ages styling. I want nothing to do with such practices.
Hopefully my post on the truth with Anrol will be allowed to get posted here.
I had to defend a lie for so long, but have escaped….so watch this space
OMG I died laughing when I read that!!!! Exactly right…total CLOWN styling!!!! Who’s next Styling theme: Anrol? What a bunch of freak-a-zoids!!!! Are these people serious? I would absolutely love a CWS member to come on here and defend that ridiculous $hit!!!
Thursday July 19, 2012
For all active Contestants
Event: Styling To look like DebbieDoo Tigerfish Theme
LOOOL STYLE TO LOOK LIKE A CLOWN.
Btw, those quotes are not “authorized.” Anrol did not get permission to use those individuals for her blog. Helen, Diana, Lua, Pinktikicat, SD and Amychristine are NOT affiliated with CWS and I would be willing to bet want NOTHING to do with Anrol!!!
“Karma” I’m honored you think I’m Nave. If you actually read any of the comments on this thread you’d know that’s not the case, but regardless who really cares at this point.
You seem awful hung up on the whole money-scholarship thing. So you would have all of us believe that DebbieDoo Tigerfish, the COO of CWS actually pays Arnol $10K for every student she decides to seek out and “sponsor?” She pays Anrol? Really? You sure about that? You might want to double check your facts big mouth!!! With regards to poses and AOs, why does CWS require all of these nutty poses (and yes, they too are hideous) for each over the top and lag laden runway CWS has? I can not think of one SL modeling academy or organization that requires specific or numerous pose sets, be purchased in addition to tuition. Hmm, let me see….could it be because those items (with the exception of Vista, because they won’t deal with Anrol) are on her SIM and she makes more money if the members buy the poses there? Yep, you got it! Anything to make more $$ off the unsuspecting.
Another thing you missed dumb dumb, DebbieDoo is Anrol’s puppet. The more I read the more I am convinced they are the same person. Ohhhh you didn’t know Anrol and Steve101 have dozens, upon dozens of alts? They’re used to screw with the models during pageants and affect runway walks and posing. Awww, you poor stupid creature, you’re just completely clueless as to what is really going on over there. I don’t think you’re DebbieDoo, I think you’re one of the latest flavors over there like Laci, Janet or Liberty. You’ll all eventually get hosed over, cheated and bilked soooo badly you’ll leave too. You’ll eventually hate that scuzzy $hithole and be on here “ranting.” LOL.
Like it was pointed out, but you’re not very bright, individuals study at multiple places and already have experience in other areas of SL modeling. Just because they are attending academies doesn’t somehow disqualify them from starting up an agency or fashion business. Case in point….Dallas. You obviously are too lazy to actually research and fact check….typical CWS loser!!!! Additionally, if someone is offering free anything, who wouldn’t take them up on it? This also doesn’t automatically mean the recipient is “broke.” God, these people are so daft!!!!
LOL Karma, you are just in a word, an idiot. All models attend not just one academy, but many…to learn different techniques, but to network. And actually Showtoons has been offering FREE classes and will CONTINUE to offer free modeling classes to those who wish to take it. ANd why are you getting on her for charging for classes? Since CW/S does that AND MORE. Also, fyi, I did say to her when she told me “why the hell are you going to CW/S” and she said “oh i was given a scholarship”. Mind you, she didn’t apply for it. she was OFFERED it by someone she knew. And believe me I did say to her WHY are you going there when you have all this other experience, especially attending MVW Academy. I am not really sure why you mentioned Nave in my post, since while I find him hilarious, I am not him.
And sure you’re not Debbie. Ok. I can totally play that game. Ok not Debbie. Have a fabulous life on the Z LIst (cause you are so far below the D List) of SL Fashion. .
Bella dont assume I am aka anyone…Your assumption btw is wrong
As far as you being a student and mentor of Showtoons great and so what, being a PM model must be demanding, and Bliss too..whoa…they cant pay much if she had to take money!.
If she was a great teacher then why did she have to go to a school to learn?
Why if she is a friend didnt you suggest going to another school
One moment you people are saying she was denied a certifcate from CWS and the next saying what a bad place it is, and how horrid the people are there and how worthless it is
SMH is Nave Fall who is connected to MVW and owns this site, so he is bound to write what he does
Two words..Young boy lover = Frolic Mills..oooops thats 3..but this is Agency report so getting facts wrong is OK no its 5..see :)
PPS….to clarify…..the scholarship that YOU gave to showtoons….she was very grateful for…until you didn’t let her take the final….and informed her of that ohhhhh 2 hours beforehand??? and then claimed to be in class and couldn’t discuss it with her. so you ignored her. SO if anyone is to blame for the “thousands of linden” you spent on her “tuition”…it would be the people who have the say at CW/S…not showtoons.. cause she was ready to take the final. it was the powers that be at CW/S who said no…so if you have an issue with ANYONE throwing your linden away…it’s them. not her.
ok i’m really done now. i think.
Oh PS….the antidote for the CW/S Kool Aid….it’s actually quite simple….
Ok First off…as a student and mentor of Showtoons….who is by the way a fellow live model with me at PurpleMoon (you know one of the biggest high fashion houses in sl) and she is also a Bliss Couture Model (you know one of the OTHER biggest high fashion/couture houses in sl), i have learned an incredible amount of what it takes to be a runway model in sl. I am looking forward to the formal classes at NDD.
Also Debbiedoo….aka karma…please do not go around telling people that CW/S has anything to do with my group Fashion Inc. I am an up and comer but the group is quite successful with many of SL’s top couture and high fashion designers and models in it and i don’t want you tainting my groups rep by saying it has anything to do with CW/S. Cause it doesn’t. And it never will. When models who hold multiple MAJOR SL modeling titles threaten you with death if you go to CW/S…well….lol…good thing I already knew to not go there….Learned that after seeing one of the “graduation” shows. Really? arms above the head for a gown pose? System skirts being worn in a way it looked like the models were smuggling the von trapp family inside their butts. PAY PER VOTE PICTURE CONTESTS? LOL that’s not a modeling academy…that’s noobie hell..and yeah of course the lindens love them. cause models at CW/S are forced to PURCHASE linden to get anywhere in any of the competitions.
CW/S has the most complaints of any agency. CW/s on your modeling resume is a kiss of death. Pray you get the cure for the kool aid you drank debbie. Cause when you and CW/S screwed over Showtoons, you basically kicked out one of the best models and teachers in the business. I made it very known to her that it is YOUR loss, not hers.
Gotta love the Kool-Aid crowd, the truth is always marginalized down to a “rant.” A little touchy are we? Oh so now it’s a just a game with a mere $20 a month membership? I’ll add that to the $14K. Yes, “normal people.” I refer to the ones who enjoy SL and do experience the best in virtual modeling. Not, that freak show over at CWS. You know, the “normal people” who don’t pay hundreds of thousands to be in some substandard rigged pageant? The “normal people” who don’t pay tens of thousands in lindens to model a crappy outfit Anrol supposedly designed. The “normal people” who don’t pay tens of thousands to buy a lame a$$ Miss XX monthly title. The “normal people” who don’t pay tens of thousands to be on the “cover” of CWS’ internal video mag. The “normal people” who don’t pay tens of thousands to advertise the sucky pageants for Anrol. Yeah dope, those people….you know, the ones who actually get PAID to do those same things elsewhere in SL? Oh I forgot you’re super busy “sponsoring” would be models over at CWS right? Well, let’s give you a medal! You’re more like Anrol’s dirty pimp. You should be so proud. You sound super smart and intelligent, bragging about all that money for poses and AOs, and then defending extremely sub-par avis. Oh wait my favorite part of this site:
****What can we Offer for you?****
>>>>Exposure in second life.
>>>>>From amateur avatar into pro model.
>>>>>>>Simply the Best techniques in modeling
>>>>>>>>>Certified Diploma on graduation day.
>>>>>>>>>>Graduation toga gown.
>>>>>>>>>>>You will be our famous fashion model after graduation.
Why train with us?
1. We are the hottest fashion in second life
2. Fashion guru specialist in second life is the owner
3. Our model trainers are great teachers in modeling.
3. We have trained several people who have their own modeling agencies and fashion business.
4. Other agencies always copy our style because we are Simply the Best!
5. We do have fashion shows here weekly.
This is too hilarious for words!!!! LMFAO!!!! Right, just look at that crew for yourselves and decide if you want that rabble teaching you anything about SL modeling!
Btw, I love, love, love the quotes Anrol used from former CWS members who HATE CWS and left!!!! Ironic she used their supposed quotes, but ripped their photos off the walls and erased any evidence of their “wins.” What an effing hypocrite!!!! Bet she’ll be getting a few IMs from some of these ladies demanding she remove their names from her stupid cheesy blog!!!!
Hey Karma, glad we could all entertain you, you’re way too stupid to educate!
SMH its fun to see you type stuff though, this site has been so boring recently
ummmm If you want to be sponsored in CWS all you have to do is ask, no need to be shy
ooooh a top SL model..wow now thats an achievement
I know someone who is in SL as a Star trek security officer, and one who is a furry thing
The difference between them?..nothing..they pay $20 a month membership and have as much fun as each other.
Its SL its a game…nobody is a model, nobody is flying a spaceship and with the exception of you I suspect nobody is covered all over in animal hair
Have a nice day freak
“normal people”..do you count yourself as one of these?
ooh 14000..well 9500 for school…1500 for AO..3000 for poses…
How much do you help people?
Nice rant btw…could we have a look at your avi? Who cares what avi look like, I tend to measure people by their actions, and you seem to be a ranting nutcase. I do hope your meds settle you down.
I can’t, I just laughed so hard….please “normal people” check out the list and pics of the CWS execs!!! Hahahahahaha, OMG what the hell could THEY possibly teach ANYONE who has serious aspirations to be an SL model? Anrol looks like a fierce man. DebbieDoo, who the hell did your makeup Baby? The rest look like they are running either the Rupaul School of Modeling or just attended a very BAD Mary Kay convention!!!
That band of visual misfits, charges $14K for a modeling school? WTF? You have got to be the absolute dumbest person ever to give them your money!!!!
“Karma” please spare us the whole philanthropic approach!!!! Btw, since when did CWS start charging or the total accumulative cost of attending their silly school, go up to $14K? Seriously? Now that in itself is a funny a$$ joke!!!! ROFL, let’s see what do the “graduates” get? Oooo they get a ridiculous slutty outfit to wear in Steve’s moronic monthly video dance number. They get a fugly, cheap Walmart-esque looking certificate, only Anrol the “creator” could’ve made. They get to be regularly harassed and harangued by Anrol for her “toddlers and tiaras” (love that, had to recycle it) bilking pageants and the grand prize is they have to suffer the biggest douchebag on the grid, DebbieDoo Tigerfish! Sounds fun :D
Besides which, many a newer student to SL modeling, is already business savvy, a well known photographer or designer. Don’t be completely stupid, oops too late your post already displayed your very LIMITED knowledge of the SL modeling industry or you would already know this FACT!!! That probably explains why you’re over at CWS and one of their “classic” braniacs!!! And, “YES” smarty pants Trinity Graves IS a top SL model!!! Of course you might actually have to have a clue in SL modeling to know that and once again you are a stellar example of why CWS continues to suck BIG A$$!!!!
I hope Showtunes finds somewhere else too, maybe she can find someone else to pay 14000 on poses and AO and schooling for her as well. Wow the sleazy frauds who do that!..Its a disgrace that people like that exist how are they have trust in people an give them lindens..its disguting they would even think of doing such a thing. Maybe SMH may pay for you too..Lets hope Karma leads to you two meeting, now that would be as exciting as catching bad cold.
I have a great advet for her NDD fashion agency too. Enrol there, but be patient the owner is still learning, but to help her complete her training give her some lindens first.
Giving her lindens though will not earn you her trust and she will tell you that
When you respond her cough proper model friend..the wise one as she calls herself will send you IMs telling you that you scammed her, with the most amazing original scam. Yes you spend your own money on her,,,,what a disgusing and sleazy thing to do.how dare such people spend their money on you..I hope karma gets them too..
Soooo typical. Is anyone on AR really surprised? I think not….lmao. It’s been noted and there are countless posts here, recounting how grimy and sleazy CWS, Anrol and DebbieDoo are. Anrol truly doesn’t care about ANYONE!!!! She is driven by one thing and one thing ONLY = $$$. She bilks every prospective model she ever comes in contact with and those who she can’t, she’ll drop you, insult you, mute you and delete you. She is the lowest form of scum imaginable and God willing karma will smack the $hit out of this B*#ch!!!! DebbieDoo is a serious ego-maniac who feeds, absolutely feeds off drama. She seriously can not get enough!!! Guaranteed, it’s literally a matter of hours before her stupid a$$ is on here defending Anrol’s hell hole!!! They have employed all sorts of silly tricks and intimidation tactics to keep their peeps in line over there. In other words, if the CWS members were encouraged to “learn” or “work” elsewhere, they wouldn’t be spending $$$ in those ridiculous and laughable pageants over at CWS. Oh sure they’ll come on here and trot out a few examples of CWS members who received certificates elsewhere and pretend Anrol and CWS doesn’t mind…..BULL$*IT!!!! What they won’t say is that those same CWS members took those other courses in secret, straight up left CWS (because it SUCKS) or were reamed out so badly by Anrol or her henchman DebbieDoo.
Thank you Trinity (A REAL SL MODEL) for speaking out on here!!! You rock and hopefully your friend can find a better and more reputable place to learn modeling. CWS is a huge joke and they are NOT AN AGENCY. They are one big a$$ scheme!!! I would also encourage any of you Kool-Aid drinkers to actually read the criticisms on here, before you all start your rebuttals. You might actually find the same crap has happened to you and you have been getting fleeced!!!
Anrol, I truly hope you burn and good!!!!
I was a student at CWS for the class of June. Sadly after attending most of the months classes (some I couldn’t do to RL flooding) & passing the midterm, I was denied to take my final. The reason behind this was from a notice I sent out in Fashion Inc. I was informed by DebbieDoo Tigerfish that ‘anrol is not happy’ I send a nc in Fashion Inc & it’s ‘one of her groups’. I explained to DebbieDoo Tigerfish that I’m the COO of Fashion Inc. & got approval from the CEO Belladonna Wexhome. I then asked,’Does this mean I can’t take my final?” her answer was ‘yes :(‘ *The notice that was sent out in Fashion Inc was about NDD enrolling July students for class*
On another note, my schooling at CWS was paid by DebbieDoo Tigerfish which I was most thankful for. However even after I passed the midterm/attended most classes/passed the teachers scores to take the final, she is allowed to deny me the right to take the final because she paid for my classes. *Information was given to Trinity Graves*
Finally the other reason given was owning a modeling agency called NDD Fashion Agency. However this information was given to DebbieDoo Tigerfish before attending classes & herself being a member of one of the NDD branches. *Anrol Anthony please know DebbieDoo Tigerfish joined because she was a good supportive friend* During classes I did not speak about NDD or promoted it in anyway. I did have a trainer ask me about it while in class (we were the only ones there) & my answer was that I’m a CWS student; I don’t bring NDD here. I added I don’t cross the line DebbieDoo Tigerfish & Anrol Anthony set and I respect them.
I am not happy with what CWS has done to me & I hope it doesn’t happen again to anyone who is reading this. I post this to speak out the truth of what happen with me as a student at CWS in June. My only hope is to help the people who read this & learn from my mistake.
And I quote From anrol’s mouth
and I dont give a crap on your fricking agency report those are for people who are Pita which means= Pain in the ass like you. They like to be in the center of all dramas in sl. Sorry if thats the only place u can be well known by wasting people’s time reading your crap complain.
I dont waste my time and energy to drama queens like you. I dont want her part of my CWS team here because she is a PITA and if you dont know what ‘s that mean read up. Muted
This lady does not care what people think about her dealings. So why should you care?
Surprise Surprise Surprise!!!
Anrol is still up to her fabulous tricks. I have a friend who was sponsored to attend classes at CWS. The young lady went through all the classes even with terrible difficulties in her real life. She passed her mid terms and was ready to take her finale exams when she was promptly notified that because she sent a notice in a group about the agency she is building.”a group not affiliated with CWS in any fashion” that she is not allowed to take her final exam and graduate. Can someone please tell me what agency owner has not taken classes at an agency? As far as I am knowledgeable you cannot teach unless you learn first. This is just another sad example of the issues that come up time and time again with this agency. Ladies and gentlemen please please read the agency report and come to sane conclusions before you decide on which agency you choose to get your education from. Sincerely Trinity Graves.
“Toddlers in Tiaras” OMG I laughed my a$$ off on that one!!! Awesome disgusted, awesome!!! So true.
CWS = TODDLERS IN TIARAS :)
So angry? It says disgusted not angry. After reading below it’s pretty obvious you people need things repeated to you constantly. I said FAKE! She’s obviously trying to play that off as a real and genuine picture of herself in RL. I know what a morphed pic is, duh. I have seen a lot of morphs and 99% have the entire avi head on a RL body, not just the eyes. Whatever.
Morph pics are real pics with avi eyes in them, I have never been a fan of them
Still not sure why it is an issue having one in a profile
Most people put a picture of an avatar in theirs, they arent real either, so am a bit baffled why you would be so angry.
God the people on this really are stupid. It’s obviously meant to look like a real pic. She is Filipino in real life and posting that picture as her real world photo, on her profile is fake. I noticed her supposed husband Steve put an actual picture of himself. Anyhow, it’s just an observation I don’t need all the TODDLERS IN TIARAS from CWS swooping in for the attack.
Um it clearly says morph picture and the person who did it ( is someone not reading the post).?
Of course its a morphed picture, what is the issue?
Next thing you will discover people dont use their real names in SL
Of course its a morph picture
Why is that such a problem?
Its odd that some people spend alot of time thinking they are Sherlock Holmes and looking like Inspector Cluseau
I knew it! That photo is as phony as she is! So typical.
Not sure why she has that on her profile like that, but it’s a morphed photograph:
lol she’s a joke
As a person of Filipino descent, I am disgusted Anrol posted that “white girl” picture of herself in RL, on her SL profile. Is she serious? If that is Anrol in real life then pigs can fly. If that is a Filipino woman, the sky is green!
I am concise, however, unlike many in here.
Btw, there are no points deducted for overt aggression here at AgencyReport which is a target rich environment to say the least.
My contribution is, merely, to provide a bit of counterpoint.
Spy vs. Spy, not sure what you contribute to any conversation. You seem unduly aggressive on each thread you’ve posted on. How are you any different? You’re really sort of obnoxious.
We should start a pool on how long it takes before they are at each other’s throats again
Unbelievable, unbelievable. Well folks there ya go….that’s the Chief Operating Officer of Classic with Style; evasive, non-committal and didn’t answer one question. Let’s hope she actually means it this time, as opposed to the ump-teen other times DebbieDoo vowed to bow out of this “debate.”
Scammy answer to all your questions is because its a free world and I can. As for SIM owners contributing thats their choice not mine , all I know is I voice with Anrol and she is truly a wonderful person in my opinion. I am sure you are the same with Frolic.
As for number of posts yep was excessive and boring. You wrote a number of books, so to be clear we are both boring as hell and I know if I had been reading both of us I would have switched off ages ago
Am removing the link to this page as when you look at what we debate, it really is dull and is the same thing over and over and over.
Have a great sl…
DebbieDoo: “I agree with caps absolutely, and not voting for yourself”
Me: Have you communicated this opinion of yours with your boss Anrol Anthony? Yes or No? If no, why have you done so here and not to her? If yes, apparently your title as COO of CWS doesn’t mean a whole lot.
DebbieDoo: “not sure what secret voting means. Its not how CWS is done though”
Me: If you’re not sure what it is how would you know whether or not it’s being done? Ask your boss she sent out a notice to all members in 2011 stating all voting and the boost amounts would be “secret.” Guess you missed the memo.
DebbieDoo: “people do spend crazy amounts”
Me: Can you explain why and how that is in any way fair to the member? Additionally, do you think this practice should be encouraged and/or continued over at CWS? Yes or No?
DebbieDoo: “I do tire though of getting IMs to come vote for modles at this place or that place….and have seen queues of avi next to some boards that are quite frankly crazy”
Me: What percentage of those voting requests require money to cast that vote?
DebbieDoo: “Dont ask me to defend or justify things I have no influence over… you know I can’t”
Me: Aren’t you the COO of CWS? Isn’t that your job? If not you then who can “defend or justify things” over there? Why are you here at all then? If you’re not the one with any answers why isn’t the person with all the answers here defending and justifying things?
Finally, I may seem mocking in my approach, well so are you. We’re both guilty of that. We’ve both hurled insults and named names “without permission.” These are simple and basic questions. They should be answered directly and clearly, most with “yes” or “no.” You get bashed because YOU are the one acting like a rabid dog “defending and justifying.” You’re nearing your 20th post in less than a week, you do the math.
I agree with caps absolutely, and not voting for yourself but am not sure what secret voting means. Its not how CWS is done though, so if you dont like dont go..simple…its not secretive and people do spend crazy amounts but thats their business…it matters not a jot what I think.
…I do tire though of getting IMs to come vote for modles at this place or that place….and have seen queues of avi next to some boards that are quite frankly crazy… just for some ego..no not my thing..I prefer just to teach ty…
Dont ask me to defend or justify things I have no influence over :)..you know I cant. I work for the BBC its like asking me to justify why they waste money on tacky royal weddings ..I cant..I just dont watch.. :)
My only issue with you, is the way you mock individuals on their private business.
In return I get some outragious abuse. I am not sure how that is spinning. Just because my view is different to yours means just that, we dont agree…nothing complicated, its not rl its not the end of the world. I also suspect you have close ties with MVW so your motives arent as pure as you state, but thats your business…I dont care
As for me scaring and bullying models, thats rubbish and you know it. Models pay $20 a month to be in sl just like I do, they can say and do as they wish and arent owned by anyone. So am not sure what I have done, but we have been there. Like it or lump it thats the way it is.
Spy, I appreciate any suggestions you have and the ones you mentioned are already being worked on. I have contacted a few blog writers and pitched an exposé on CWS and like I mentioned much further down I contacted an independent group “investigating” money fraud organizations operating in and amongst virtual communities. Unfortunately, there is a lot of this cropping up all over. I think the main target of most law enforcement probes is concentrated on illegal gambling. As DebbieDoo stated, at the end of the day if “members” are age verified they are the masters of their own destiny and can most certainly spend what they want where they want. My issue with the particular way CWS and Anrol conduct business is with “secret voting,” no caps on the spending limits and the misrepresentation that this is in any way, shape or form SL “modeling.” Yes, it’s sad there are a lot of uninformed and unsuspecting people who fall prey to these treacherous schemes, but once again it’s a fine line.
I am truly done “debating” DebbieDoo. She spins everything any naysayer writes the wrong way, misrepresents the facts and NEVER addresses the real issues raised here. I totally get that it’s tiresome for other readers and I’m so over her crap :D
It’s apparent you believe CWS to be a very negative operation in SL and I would encourage anyone of a similar mindset to employ any ideas or avenues they have to continue to educate would be models on the pitfalls associated with “pay to play” places.
. I would say sure CWS members talk, its a free world they can do and say what they want and to who they want.
god that sounds like they need my permission to talk, they most certainly dont…
I cant give you names as thats not right as I wont without their permission, but I am sure you can find out easily yourself
Spy vs. Spy I would happily engage with you in SL on radio if you want too. I am a CWS member not owner and would gladly tell you what I like about it. I would say sure CWS members talk, its a free world they can do and say what they want and to who they want.
I would gladly share ideas with you that I have about helping non trained models take part in shows completely independant of any SIM, with the opportunity to be sponsored at the schools of their choice, and receiving training from experienced models or trainers giving of their time freely before the shows and before making up their minds.
I have already done similar in the Arab SIM with Dani of Danielle and it was fantastic., so just because I object to people being nasty to non sim owners and riduculing their private buiness does not make me bad.
Oddly enough I dont defend pageants at CWS, thats not for me to do, its not my business. People can make up their own mind by asking CWS members past and present of their views and then making a decision on what they hear
All I say to models who join us is be careful, dont go spending. Learn modelling skills with us and other schools, if you come to our styling shows dont spend a linden, be creative from tour inventory and have fun. Think very very carefully though before going down the pageant route.
The problem with Scam is he/she wants to protect their identity and thats fair enough.
One thing you need to be very very clear on, I dont take 1 linden off anyone in SL, I am here because its fun, so dont please accuse me of scamming or cheating a soul, that I find offensive. Being name called pfffft sticks and stones etc….but a scammer no.
The offer is open.
So let me see Scam. I asked what YOU’D like others in the SL modeling community to do to help YOU with YOUR crusade against Anrol Anthony, DebbieDoo and the Classic with Style plague and the best YOU can come up with is:
“Fortunately, Agency Report is widely read by most people in the SL modeling industry whether they’ll admit it or not.”
“The CWS members are also on here reading, old and new. CWS lost several of it’s members last year because of the information being put forth here. That’s never a bad thing.”
So we’re to believe that this is it. AgencyReport is the answer to Classic with Style. Pontificating here at AgencyReport is the only tactic you can think of to combat the CWS scam. I was looking for much more from you then that. You seem to have the requisite intelligence and information to lead the fight If YOU want to that is.
I have to tell you, given the tirades you’ve written below, I was thinking you’d be more imaginative. I was hoping you’d suggest enlisting SL’s fashion media and various SL groups to expand the reach of your evangelism. I was hoping to hear you suggest that people actively engage CWS members in a dialogue to understand why they are there and what they like about the CWS group. If anything, that is.
But I guess you’d rather spend your time jousting with Debbiedoo then thinking outside your comfy, little AgencyReport box. I think YOU should expand your horizons. It might be more interesting.
If this is all you’ve got, I’m disappointed.
Spy, it’s not easy let me assure you. Fortunately, Agency Report is widely read by most people in the SL modeling industry whether they’ll admit it or not. Let’s be honest the modeling world has been buzzing with recent topics brought up here regarding The Manor and so forth. The CWS members are also on here reading, old and new. CWS lost several of it’s members last year because of the information being put forth here. That’s never a bad thing.
It’s very sad that Anrol Anthony is one of the few “modeling” agency owners in SL that has come up with a way to make it pay off while others ( too numerous to list here ) all fade away.
While her predatory, almost cannibalistic, approach eats its young she benefits from the many lonely people who she fall for it.
Scam? Perhaps you need more then a soapbox here at AgencyReport to spread the word. How can we help you in-world?
Hmm, Anonymous I agree, Gizza vs. Vero; MVW and Frolic fixing the Ms. Virtual World pageant; the trash talking about Modavia and the pseudo prostitution going on over at The Manor are much more suitable discussions for Agency Report. Let’s get back to all that. I can’t help it if crazy DebbieDoo posted 13 times in the past few days (LMAO).
Ano point taken and I agree.
Be prepared for a scam tongue lashing about freedon of speech etc
Well for about a month we actually got to chat about other agencies. Now it’s the Scam vs. Debbie webblog again.
Look, I know both of you are very very sincere about your believes in regard to CWS. But this is not a website about CWS it’s about all agencies. You do this website a diservice when you spam back and forth the ‘same sh*t different day’ and miss posts about other agencies.
Debbie, it’s noble that you defend CWS but really, is it worth the headache to keep fighting the same person who no matter what is going to post negative crap about CWS. Walk away. This website isn’t worth it. CWS has been around for years, which is more than many other agencies can say. If you are happy and your customers are happy then that is what counts.
And Spam, you do have valid points, points that you have pointed again and again and again and again. I think if anyone was using this website to find a legit agency they can read all the posts and make a decision. I don’t think there is any other agency that even comes close to the number of posts.
ROFL…DebbieDoo you’re just pathetic and the more you post, the more people see it. Attention Agency Report readers, I give you DebbieDoo Tigerfish, some sort or “exec” or Anrol Anthony over at the big scam place known as CWS. Among her many accomplishments is being a big annoying fool :D Enjoy!!!
***Flora Stipe, FLora Stipe, Flora Stipe*** Damn, it’s just not working :(
to all the nasties who wrote about MVW and Modovia please come back..its not fair..we get stuck with scummy here….please come back..poouuttt…..please
my biggest nightmare, waking from my schizo daze and discovering I am you….
oh god another book…..
I hate harry potter rubbish but after reading u I might get to like it ….
sorry cant take you seriously at all, you really do need to go out more
DebbieDoo you sound like the thug, clown, fool you are. You ALWAYS say you’re, “done,” “ending this” and “leaving.” Funny, like a bad virus you keep coming back. Last time all it took for you to disappear for a long while was the mention of your BFF, so let me try the magic words again, “Flora Stipe, Flora Stipe, Flora Stipe.” LOL, let’s see if it works.
Sunday January 15, 2012
Event : Free Training by Tiffani Celestalis
Time: 8:00 pm/slt
Last Day to vote for Ms Calendar 2011
To position Yourself in the Finale
1st Place will be the Cover Magzine to
Our limited Edition “For Your Eyes Only”
Let me translate for newcomers to this thread…..”Last Day to vote” means the 12 Calendar finalists will now try in secret “voting” (Meaning no one knows but Anrol what amounts are being thrown into the pot) to “outbid” one another for the dubious honor of appearing on the cover of an internal pictorial of sorts on each finalist. I use the term “internal” because only the CWS members refer or view the various CWS blogs.
But let’s back track and allow me to point out just how much money Anrol really cashes in on this annually running scam. Ok so each month Anrol runs the Calendar Model contest and members fill out the basic application and submit it with a photo to be included in the bidding. Anrol finds a spot in the SIM to post the contestants photos. The bidding begins. You will notice on the CWS calendar of events there are many days marked with the term “boost your vote.” This means as a prospective contestant in ANY of the various and numerous “contests” running simultaneously, you will be IM-ed and harassed by Anrol to put money on your picture. She has no shame and no reservations to straight up contact you for more money! If you look at the positioning of these “boosts” they read like regular paychecks for Anrol and make no mistake she immediately converts those lindens into US dollars and expeditiously transfers the amount into her PayPal account. We’re not talking a handful of people. No, no, no we’re talking a lot of people. Think about it, she spends a few days, a couple times of month to pimp and IM for cash. There is no shortage of new contests this greedy troll dreams up.
Ok, so let’s look back at the Calendar “thing” for 2011. She ran this contest each month for 12 months. Girls bid and bought the various monthly titles, but then some left for whatever reason. Anrol, instead of selecting the next “runner-up” who bid closest to the winner, she re-ran the monthly contest for the missing girls and doubled her money. For example, Pinktikicat was Ms. January 2011, Meimei Shiu was Ms. April 2011, Sd Damiano and Diana Balhaus were the “winners” for other months. All of those ladies left CWS and left vacancies in the CWS Calendar Final. So Anrol re-ran each month and drew in more money.
Now they’re being pumped up, as I type this, into participating in this bidding war for the cover of “For Your Eyes Only.” LMAO, no kidding because no one else’s eyes are checking it out! Is it becoming clearer how this woman Anrol operates? It’s a fact, not speculation and not conjecture, each month’s bidding has not fallen below $50K in lindens! All of this under the guise of Second Life “MODELING.” This is the furthest thing from “MODELING” in Second Life!!! Just look them up in world on the search and read the company description. What a hoax and totally misrepresents what they really are. Sound like a “dream?” More like a “nightmare” to me.
Quoting you know you’re back tracking now off the earlier snide and nasty remarks (you now call “jokes”) you made about Frolic,but you said them and trust me he knows all about you and thinks even less of you than I do.
ooooh trembling here..seriously in fear for my life,,omg thats hillarious..whats he going to do, hit me with a wet lettuce leaf?..call me soobydoo or even worse cry.
struth it took 10 minutes to scroll past your rant, I need a rest
Quote because you just love to read your own words over and over ..well the funny thing is you wrote a bloody book, and most of it a repeat of what you have written before.
Sorry ending this now, you are a complete nut, and your rant doesnt deserve much more than a sideways look, I can imagine you twitching and frothing at the mouth as you wrote it. It was without a doubt the strangest thing I have ever read.
DebbieDoo IS the most “annoying” person ever!!! DebbieDoo you are right about one thing debating anything with you is like ping pong, because you just love to read your own words over and over and think they actually mean squat in the grand scheme of things. You’re pretty much the only and main person “ridiculed” here on this blog, with the exception of that low-life greedy troll Anrol Anthony. Ironically, you always always always speak about yourself and make references as if you’re the CWS SIM owner. I’m fascinated by your relentless devotion to that tired old worn out scam. Maybe you and Anrol are the same person. I’m beginning to think you’re probably that schizophrenic. Like I stated, you have NO business what so ever pointing fingers about “name dropping.” Would you like me to “remind” you of the models who bailed from CWS last year because of YOUR big mouth and the names you kept dropping? I know you’re back tracking now off the earlier snide and nasty remarks (you now call “jokes”) you made about Frolic, but you said them and trust me he knows all about you and thinks even less of you than I do.
We know, we’ve all heard your constant claims CWS fulfills dreams. Right. What a crock of crap. You all con the members into out bidding one another for supposed “print work” that is completely INTERNAL and will never get them ANY credibility on the outside. As mentioned before it’s pretty shady to entice, encourage or manipulate people in the name of “modeling” to pay for their own print ad, pay to wear and advertise one of Anrol’s crappy designs, pay exorbitant amounts of money to participate in the worst pageants on the grid, pay nearly the same amount to be a “calendar model,” pay to try an win the cover of the CWS magazine which has zero readership!!! Cool where can I sign up for that “dream?” Find me one other organization under the tag line “modeling” who operates 97% at the expense of the would be model? Where are they, which ones? Name one other SL “modeling” organization making thousands upon thousands via PayPal transfers off the their members, every month. You NEVER will address this DIRECTLY or LEGITIMATELY. You skirt around it with crap like, “I don’t tell anyone how to spend their money,” blah, blah, blah. Oh but you are in league with Anrol and encourage them and over praise them when they think they actually “won” something they really bought for over $100 USD. Does anyone else besides DebbieDoo think that’s cool? Does anyone else think this is “dream fulfilling” for a member (thinking this is legitimate modeling) paying over $100 USD to appear in an internal CWS advertisement for the Alyssa Bijoux crown or buying the title Ms. February, over at CWS?
I know full well where and who has trained with whom. Most and I mean most CWS members or should I say former members, who have trained elsewhere, have departed. There are a smattering of people left over there who can actually claim MVW as part of their resumé. They, like you, are nutty ego manics who frankly probably are better off staying put with you all. As far as my accomplishments, contributions and accolades, they are many and overflowing. I, unlike you don’t need to come here and continue to too my own horn. I stated from the beginning, my sole purpose in writing my posts was to highlight the fraudulent money scheme over at CWS and the disreputable and underhanded tactics of Anrol Anthony. I’m doing that now and again and I think it’s a huge contribution to the SL modeling world. I’ll feel even better when poor Janet Brink puts down the Kool Aid and leaves. I think she’s too talented to be used by you all anymore!!! It’s unfortunate she’s been conned thus far to line Anrol’s pockets. If the members only knew the little rivalry Anrol has planted between Janet and Nickle to get the sickening bidding war going. She did the same crap to Nickle and Janda last year, breaking all records for money spent bidding on anything. She duped those two and pitted them against one another and scored huge!!! The combined amount of Nickle and Janda’s “secret” bids for Ms. February was over $400K in lindens. That’s your idea of fulfilling a “dream?” It’s so sickening and you’re part of it! I’m starting to believe you’re as evil as Anrol Anthony, if you’re not her anyhow.
Btw no one is more “nasty” or mean spirited than you DebbieDoo. Just ask anyone you’ve chased away with your baseless speculations or unfounded accusations, relentless witch hunts and sanctimonious attitude over there.
btw these threads with scam are like ping pong and seem to be like points scoring.
Its boring for everyone just like all the MVW stuff was as it all gets a bit personal.
Scam in future if you have anything to say to me email@example.com is where you can write. Please dont IM me inworld, I couldnt mute you quick enough.
Thats me done
Unknown with resect its a forum, people can contribute.
I agree with what you say, its true of anywhere, if you are happy stay otherwise leave.
I only get annoyed when individuals who arent sim owners have their names mentioned and then get ridiculed in here. Even if I agree with what people say, its wrong to do it.
As for the grievances people have with any agency thats the point of this place it gives them a chance to be open, as are the positive things people write. So to stop typing about CWS or anywhere else is wrong.
Yabba thanks, its a relief to many of us that you left, whoever you are :)
Perhaps it is time to stop the ‘discussion’ about anything related to CWS. It has been years since I was a model and now an owner of a store. I have seen how they started, I have seen how models and designers were treated. I have seen a lot of come and go at CWS.
I believe that all the anger, frustration, hurting, worship, compliments have to come to an end now.
For those who do not want to see more ‘victims’, I think you have tried your best. For those who believe how CWS has acted throughout these years is ‘contributive’, I guess your voice is heard.
I am never a fan of CWS, but I prefer to respect. Stay away from groups we don’t enjoy being with. For those who found the ‘joy’ staying with CWS, if they believe that they are happy, what else can others say? Once the joy has gone, they will plan for their future.
Time to let go. Let’s move on and enjoy our second life.
I used to be at CWS and thought DebbieDoo was truly the most annoying person I ever met in SL. I think you can see why.
One last thing your quote
I unlike you do not have too many negative feelings about MVW. Frolic is who he is and despite any grumblings here, he is the status quo. If you have aspirations or intentions of being a top SL model (regardless of your feelings about him) you still need his seal of approval.
well actually no…to be a top sl model you have to be good at modelling..its not who you know its what you know about styling and posing and fashion sense etc etc. Again a very odd and wierd thing to say but coming from you nothing suprises me. Thanks for preaching and putting us all correct.
Models of SL go get Frolics seal of approval before you can get anywhere. At every casting its the first thing they ask. I am sure if he read what you just wrote he would laugh and cringe with embarrasment. I am and I dont even know him…maybe I should IM him and get his personal seal of approval. I always felt I was missing something..thanks I know what it is now!
I will pass on this website link to Janet, so she can see what you have written. I have nothing to hide or to be ashamed of. I am sure she would love to hear an explanation from you as to why you mention her private information in a public forum.
You are no different to some of the nasty people who posted about individuals in other parts of this forum over the christmas holidays.
Like I asked what have you done to help models in SL…in deeds not words…words you are those things you use here..inworld how have you actually helped anyone?..Do you teach?..How do you pass on your wealth of knowledge?..not a trap to find out who you are, I dont really care.
You are big on being nasty and criticising..but never really mention what you have actually done..I am interested to know…as I suspect all you do is whine into IMs and not much else..I am CWS I am happy to be part of it just like every other member is..Models who dont wish to be part of it leave, and good for them. If I was unhappy I would too That is true of everywhere.
As for what people spend and the quality of models in pageants, well I think the answer is simple. Pageants arent modelling they are pageants. Its how they feel is what counts, not me or you or anyone else. Its a dream not a rl career or rl anything. If you think the quality is poor then IM them and teach them how to be great like you. All I know is of the top 3 all went to MVW, and a few to Maniera for example. So not really sure what you are saying.
I dont pretend to turn students who come to our school into great models, its a nudge hopefully in the right direction. None past or present have ever complained as to the quality fo what I teach. if its not of a good standard then it would be great to know, so I could change things.
Modelling is alot of things from runway to print to in store work or promoting. You being
an authority know that though. its not pageants though.
As for those who leave…whats the big deal?..its sl people move on all the time.
Anyway corresponding with you is like talking to a 12 year old boy, so will leave you to dressing up your GI Joe
Anyone else here think DebbieDoo has another motive? Hmm, maybe you don’t want friends of Janet’s telling her to check out this site and reading for herself what a scam CWS is and what a dishonest troll Anrol Anthony is. You worried too, she might grab her lindens and split that stupid scene? I would be if I were you. Counting the months….tick tock tick tock!!!!
Debbie, get over yourself. If a person wants to be autonomous in and amongst SL, I suspect they wouldn’t put themselves out there in a public modeling arena. I would also be willing to bet not one person here minds too much being “mentioned,” whether it be negative or positive. You have done your fair share of name dropping here on Agency Report and as a result literally drove good models out of CWS because of it, so please don’t come here and act the saint, you most certainly are not! It’s the not the fact you wish others well, it’s the fact you believe anyone cares. Yes, you’re correct you openly admit to being associated with CWS and despite your futile and constant claims it’s all just for fun and the fulfillment of dreams, it’s a scuzzy place and outside of CWS EVERYONE knows it!!!! I will admit I must revise my earlier assessment of your “university.” After seeing laughable video after laughable video, pageant after pageant it’s very apparent not much real model training is taking place over there. The last 3 pageants were such a tremendous joke it wasn’t to be believed. What were there 5 contestants in the last one? Does that even constitute a pageant? Wow, tough competition (NOT). It seems the word is getting out and make no mistake I bash CWS as much in world as I do here. Every model I can find I let them know to steer clear of that place!!! Hmm, I noticed the sponsors and list of designers working with CWS has dwindled significantly!!! All us naysayers must be doing something right!!!
ScamAlertLicious…I am NOT sticking up for CwS, I have issues to with them….I agree with SOME of your comments, but…
two things I would like to know..
1.What qualifications do you have…
2.If you don’t Like CwS, why do you know so much about it, seems you spend a lot of time there
SL is fun,
Nobody is saying you shouldnt like CWS, it is Anrol and her cough RL husband people have an issue with. CWS if full of alot of amazing and loving people, who like nearly everyone in SL just want to have fun.
Also on average models will spend 2 or 3 hours a week max in CWS, and the rest of their time doing whatever else it is in SL that they enjoy. So we do need to keep things a bit in context.
As for you first question to scammy not really sure what the point of you question is. I am sure she will enlighten you though, and that will be rather funny
Refering to you second question I am sure she will mock you too, and I look forward to that. I think maybe she still has friends there or has had friends there who use those little IM thingies to tell her. If you care to read what she has written, consistantly too then you may get an answer
Now let me ask you some questions, as you know who I am and how much time and dedication and love I have for everyone in CWS excluding Steve Anrol and Jim I mean Janet Brink
1. How much support do you give students there. I know the truth, so no lies please. So many models there have received the prestigious award for mentoring students, in all my time there I knew well over 140, and maybe 2 or 3 were mentored by non trainers, and even then apart from Vicky Lisana and I the trainers were not interested in students, and would scowl me for running a kindergarten by helping them. I know you arent Vicky and you sure arent Lisana. Sooooooo, well what can I add?
2. What are you qualifications. Its just if you are a chef I need cookery tips
3. If you agree with SOME of her points, which ones?..the ones on Anrols business skills..cough…..
Have a nice day
btw I make comments not to see who responds, but because its how I feel. I dont see how wishing people a happy new year is a bad thing…as for a virus, what a silly and nasty individual you are, you dont even know me…how odd
aww I missed you scam..happy new year
I thought we were a legitimate” academy..but thanks for the vote of no confidence it means alot to all of us who work so hard so others can have their dream..I am curious though you criticise alot, but what do you actually do to help?..I mean actions not words…
Your views you are entitled to, but please its not fair mentioning names of models and what they do or dont spend…thats their private business…not yours or mine and is certainly wrong in a public forum….thats all I ask..
Ooops, anyhow unless you have personal knowledge about CWS, trust me any place is better than there! I unlike you do not have too many negative feelings about MVW. Frolic is who he is and despite any grumblings here, he is the status quo. If you have aspirations or intentions of being a top SL model (regardless of your feelings about him) you still need his seal of approval.
Hugo, did I say in my last post MVW? It doesn’t matter which academy. Unless you personally have inside knowledge x vvvftttrt cb xQ`
“legitimate” academy… MVW?!
Frolito is a big fat cheater.
He (just as many others) is exploiting other human beings.
Frolic = Real-Life Failure
YOUR REAL LIFE!
Models, read! You have to live your life to the fullest not stare at a computer screen.
“The more things change, the more they stay the same!” Well 2012 is off and running over at CWS and Anrol has found a new girl to sucker and soak dry of all her precious lindens. Enter….Janet Brink! Look out Nickle Sparrowtree, you might have actually met your match in lindens!!! This year should definitely be interesting, entertaining and fun to watch…lmao!!! Shhh, we all know how Anrol is manipulating this poor girl. You know Anrol IM-ed sweet Janet and chided her into bidding on January 2012 “to secure her spot for 2013!” Chances are if Ms. Brink is as hungry as she seems, her days at CWS are numbered. She will eventually be led here, read, reject, process and eventually realize she’s been royally used by Anrol and her schemes. She’ll discover that CWS is a huge joke and not considered real modeling in the SL industry. I’m taking bets folks…how many months before Janet is sneaking off to take instruction from a “legitimate” academy? I’m going to say tops, 3 months. By August, guaranteed she’s gone from CWS!!! Hey Janet, guess what you’re being played!!! Doubt what I’m saying? Read below, you might just hear some very familiar steps have been carried out on you at the hands of the greedy little troll that is Anrol Anthony. Don’t be a sucker Janet, Anrol is IM-ing Nickle to outbid you!!!! She’ll tell you she really wants to see you win and she really wants you to beat this other person, etc….guess what this is how she jacks up the lindens every month. FYI Ms. Brink you didn’t “win” anything!!! You bought it girlfriend, not the same thing as a “win” by a mile babygirl!!!
Post Script: uuuggghh DebbieDoo thinks who she is, DebbieDoo notice how no one responds to you or cares in the least what you think? You’re like a virus…you spread (Icky).
See….trying to turn it round on me again….I rest my case! You must be the insecure one around here, as you are somewhat agitated and upset by a game. Tell it to someone who really gives a stuff!
Phil, you’re right about one thing for sure, if you think Anrol Anthony and her manipulative games, backstabbing gossip and shady business tactics, classify her as a “magnificent business woman,” then yes, I think “something is wrong with you.” It’s my opinion. If that’s “turning things around” on you, oh well so be it. If that makes me arrogant or a “bully,” then that’s your own insecurity and I don’t need a “couch” to say that to you. Maybe YOU need a “couch” to hear it.
You constantly try to turn things around on others, like no-one else is entitled to an opinion. So because my opinion about Anrol is different than yours, there must be something wrong with me…..pullllease, you really do need my couch!
Phil, I don’t accuse EVERYONE associated with CWS as less intelligent than myself. I take exception to the CWS “active members” coming on here, like yourself, acting like buffoons and marginalizing the issues and belittling the debate. I have a real big problem with people who aggressively spout off on me or others who despise CWS, without actually reading what we have written, processed and thoughtfully considered what we contend and then inaccurately representing what we have said. I get attacked regularly, made fun of and called all sorts of names, however, when I defend myself and throw it back I’m called a whole host of new names. This does not ruffle my feathers in the least as I definitely consider the source. Regardless of yours or anyone else’s assumptions, I personally have never participated in the contests over at CWS, but I am close enough on the inside to know how it all works. It’s not rocket science or some big secret. Fine, you and I disagree with how Anrol runs things over there. You think she is a “magnificent business woman.” I “think” that says something about YOU!
Unlike some people on this forum, I happen to think Anrol is a magnificent business woman, and now you`ll accuse me of being part of CWS, well how very very WRONG you will be. My opinion on you is ….you are a BULLY, and use BULLY TACTICS and accuse everyone that is a part of CWS, as being less intelligent than your so called smart ass self. (you were not so smart when you added all that money on to your pics eh????). Lets wait for it, you`ll lay claim that you have never spent a dime at CWS, well I know you have. Wondering who I am?? LMAO, and still the couch is waiting deary!
Well Phil, you’re so smart let’s hear it. Put your money where your mouth is. Call me out. I want to hear your theory. Guaranteed you’re as clueless as everyone else walking around CWS speculating. Regardless, won’t change my opinion.
Actually isnt a fight and hate is a very strong word, and not one I would use for Scam
Scam put a view across, mine was different
If I gave the impression of a fight then am sorry that was never intended
If it ruined what this site is about then I regret that, however it is a forum
It also got tedious so ahve stopped now.
seriously, whomever owns this website should just shut it down since it’s nothing more than a pissing match between Scam and Debbie over CWS.
I use to come here to get somewhat reliable information about the various modeling agencies in SL. Now it’s just a website dedicated to two people who I’m guessing don’t like each other and use CWS to fight their cat fights.
Really – both of you need to chill or just start your own webblog where it’s all about Scam and Debbie fighting.
Loves to RATTLE your cage. Laughs, of course your female, like we all do not know who you are….Pulllease! LMAO.And FYI, you call yourself out, you do not need any help from me.
Who said I was a female? You contribute nothing to this thread. My opinion of course. All you’re doing is calling me out in some petty playground fight. I think you’re the one who perhaps needs to grow up. Good luck with that.
“POT, KETTLE, BLACK” springs to mind! If the cap fits, wear it Scam!
Someones got “LITTLE GIRL SYNDROME”, for those of you wondering what that is….Scam can dish it out, but cannot take it, when its given back. I rest my case! LMAO @ SCAM!
Typical stupidity from an “active CWS member.” *SMH*
My couch is waiting Scam……I promise I will take things slowly. It is ok, we full understand why you did this, now let the men in white coats help you!
One flew over the Cuckoo`s Nest!
So if you do know me IM me inworld…it stays there and isnt some cunning plan to smoke you out. If we could talk about something else though please..
I want you to suprise me, I think I know who you are, the suspense is killing me
Scam actually I do know you, and we both know that.
I think this is all getting silly now, and its getting to the point where one of us will say something rather silly that we will regret.
You are entitled to your views and I happen to disagree with most of them
So I am now going to back out of this debate, because if my thoughts are correct I have no wish to jeapordise a real friendship.
If I am wrong, how stupid do I look now !!
At least I never said anything racist or made inappropriate comments about languages other than English. Not even in “jest.” I have been called out, attacked and marginalized down to a sore loser who is bitter and can’t make anything of myself, numerous times by members of CWS. I am not going to sit back and agree with that stupidity. If defending myself and putting these little CWS bots in their place is “nasty” then I’ll own it!!! I’m nasty. Regardless, the facts and the points made by naysayers of CWS and Anrol Anthony stand for themselves and on their own merit.
I’m curious what if I was a member of CWS and won plenty of titles and accolades over there? What if I had participated and realized via the process what a shady despicable place it was? Would I still be a sore loser? I wonder. What if I was well respected and a close friend to all of you? What if I saw you all killing yourselves to achieve NOTHING? What if I felt bad because you couldn’t see how manipulated and duped you were? What if I were privy to a considerable amount of inside information and you’re all being laughed at and scammed? What then? How much will it take to wake you people up? How bad does the information really have to be before you’re pissed off enough and upset at Anrol for all the machinations and lies? I wonder…….
DebbieDoo you pay rent and in your virtual world you have land and/or a home to fill with your virtual things…no thats called an inventory. I have a home so I can rez stuff..its in costa rica sims too, a great place to have my very own private sandbox…lol
You buy virtual clothes and your avatar doesn’t walk around SL naked. No actually I can use freebie, so I dont have to go spending
You pay lindens in a virtual world and receive tangible virtual things for that money..No I get nothing tangible at all…I get things that have no value to me in my rl
The analogy is simple..I spend on what I choose to spend on. As for spending to get to the top..the top of what?..its a virtual world, everyone can be a god if they choose or a slave…
One thing I do agree with you on, this is so tedious….goodnight
So every time you comment here I’m WILL repost my original breakdown of the financial scam that is CWS…
Look world, Scamalert the great debater, if you dare talk I will shout you down until you stop and I get my way..Really its like arguing with my youngest, and Scam can say I spin as much as she wants. I say what I mean, and sometimes if that is wrong I will apologise, but I am entitled to putting across my views. Its not some silly argument, I am not looking to change your mind, I am providing a bit of balance. Last time I looked this wasnt Singapore or China.
” I know how Nave Fall feels.”
I CATEGORICALLY deny that statement. I’ve never met Debbiedoo Tigerfish, much less been “virtually” touched by her avatar.
I dont know you, but that made me laugh..thankyou
DebbieDoo you’re spin is tiresome, your complete modus operandi is tedious. If you’re so annoyed why do you continue to threaten to leave this thread then come back for more?
DebbieDoo: “Its called a forum not a war zone or insult parlour”
Moi: Spin Doctor DebbieDoo, who’s making it a war zone? Your CWS members.
DebbieDoo: “Victoria if you cared to ask any of your friends is an extremely kind and gentle lady, and frankly the insults you throw her way I would say would put alot of your friendships at risk.”
Moi: Oh yeah she sounds real nice. Yikes really? My friendships? Give me a break you sound ridiculous right now, utterly silly. If that’s an insult, oh well that IS my opinion!
DebbieDoo: “She has a viewpoint, it happens to differ to yours. So I am not sure why you choose to respond with such venom.”
Moi: What “viewpoint” was that exactly? Oh right, I’m “bitter,” “filled with hatred,” should “be ashamed of myself,” “jealous,” “need” and “demand attention.” Hmm, let me think….yeah you’re right my “viewpoint differs” from Victoria!!!!! If that’s what you call “an extremely kind and gentle lady” over at CWS well, no wonder you’re still over there.
DebbieDoo you pay rent and in your virtual world you have land and/or a home to fill with your virtual things. You buy virtual clothes and your avatar doesn’t walk around SL naked. You pay lindens in a virtual world and receive tangible virtual things for that money. Please make that correlation to CWS for me again? Parlay your analogy to paying out lindens (RL money) to CWS and Anrol and getting nothing to you paying rent and having a virtual home. WTF? You really are completely off your rocker. Yeah tha’ts an insult. You are a relentless spin doctor who loves to misdirect. Once again, we’re at an impasse as you refuse to actually debate the facts. So every time you comment here I’m WILL repost my original breakdown of the financial scam that is CWS.
You said “top models at PurpleMoon who are at CWS.” Name 2!!!! Name 2 current CWS members who model for Poulet!!!! Please provide the link to their PurpleMoon ads!!!!
if people have the courage to stand up for what they truly believe in!
Yeah like you do…too funny Scam..Nobody even knows who you are,,now thats really standing up….
Chalice of course you have the right to your own opinion
You just seem to base those opinions on the rants of a nasty individual who seems to enjoy ridiculing some of the nicest people in SL, who I suspect you dont know.,
Anyone dares to offer an alternative view is ridiculed or have their mental facilities questioned.
If you cant see that, or choose not to see the nasty comments, then fair enough, maybe you should friend Scam inworld…I suspect you will never find out though.
Here is a question for you
are the following a scam?
I pay rent on land that doesnt exit.?….hmmm difficult one
I buy clothes that I cant wear in RL..Very worrying, hell I will pay lots of Lindens to top designers!!
I change my skin when I get bored ot the old one..Its cheap and beats going to a plastic surgeon
I think the answer is we all do, my point, is I can spend on whatever I choose, and if I dislike something then I wont. The same goes for anything you pose in your question. I can ask top models at Purplemoon who are also at CWS to post agree, and then find 5 others who say disagree……very scientific there scam,,I have to say your intellect is onto a marketting belter there.
I lay down a challenge for you Scam….you tell us who you work for..and who you are? Why should anyone declare to you who they are? its like saying I’m right I’m right your wrong. Its called a forum not a war zone or insult parlour, or I can argue better than you, and look I have a superior intellect, what a load of twoddle.
This is beyond tedious.
Victoria if you cared to ask any of your friends is an extremely kind and gentle lady, and frankly the insults you throw her way I would say would put alot of your friendships at risk
It also sums you up, nasty, petulant, self opinionated and rude, and oooh never wrong. She has a viewpoint, it happens to differ to yours. So I am not sure why you choose to respond with such venom.
Chalice the invite is open to you to come visit anytime and form your own opinion.
This is getting tedious.
I want to lay down a challenge. I encourage, dare and/or request any model who actively works in SL modeling, be it in fashion shows, print work, with other designers or top SL photographers to come here and respond with “agree” or “disagree,” to this statement:
No individual who has been trained to be a model in Second Life and using that term “model” to describe their SL profession or hobby, should have to pay an unreasonable amount of money to participate in a pageant, pay to be featured in a magazine, pay to model a designer’s clothing, pay to be a cover model for an organization’s magazine or pay to be the print model on an advertisement for an organization’s pageant or contest.
Let’s be clear, when I say “actively working in SL modeling” I specifically mean persons who work with the likes of Finesmith, Gizza, sYs, Azul, etc….People who have been featured in other magazines outside of CWS. Individuals who have other certificates from other modeling academies and other credits to their name other than CWS. The models who we see in PurpleMoon ads, Finesmith ads, Gizza ads, etc….You don’t have to say anything else but “agree” or “disagree.” Let’s get a real consensus, if people have the courage to stand up for what they truly believe in!
Victoria you obviously have nothing better to do either, you’re still coming back and posting. I don’t have to comment under any other “names.” Can’t you accept the fact there are is a lot of animosity towards CWS and Anrol? Apparently you’re still under the spell. I think you, Victoria must have done that a few times as “pancake mix” or whatever. Regardless, don’t act like you came here initially and wanted to actually talk and debate the facts. You came to Agency Report to admonish me personally, so I gave it right back at you. As you stated, and I’m paraphrasing, you get what you give. You asked me why I came and posted here and despite your assumption I wouldn’t answer you, I did. The trouble with all of you CWS bots is that you come here like petulant children, screaming and hollering, throwing small temper tantrums, sticking your tongues out and bellowing, “nah nah nee boo boo!” Not one of you with the exception of DebbieDoo has actually addressed one factual point or been willing to actually discuss whether or not CWS and Anrol are fair, ethical or above reproach.
Victoria you’re going to get marginalized and patronized when you talk off the cuff without fact-checking, reading for comprehension and misrepresenting another person’s position. Case in point, you said,
“It has a beef with CWS. Why? Did Anrol or Steve hold a gun to your head and demand your lindens? Was there a knife in your back to make you read notecards given to you by someone? No and no.”
Obviously, you’re too emotional and charged up because you must have missed or passed over where I wrote in a previous comment the following,
“My involvement started as I watched close friends hand over large sums of money in good faith to Anrol Anthony and CWS, for the “right” to participate in pageants, CWS print ads, etc….The mere fact CWS even uses the term “modeling” in any form throughout SL is a complete scam all unto itself! Then to see those same friends (good and talented people) work tirelessly for hours, days and weeks on end, to have it culminate into nothing was devastating. Anrol plays manipulative games and is very shady. She is the worst of scammers, because she cozies up to the people with the most lindens to spend. She acts like a friend to all but underneath her phony facade, is one objective and that’s to bilk these poor people for as much money as she can. She is unprofessional, her behavior is erratic and at times hostile. She is a shameful gossip and worst of all rigs her own contests. Anrol Anthony is running the perfect cult-like environment over there and right in SL.”
Victoria…there’s your “why?” I later wrote,
“I never said, people weren’t responsible for their own actions. I never said Anrol twisted anyone’s arm and forced them to participate. I did, however, describe how she operates, how she manipulates and how she rigs the various contests to boost her overall linden intake for a given event.”
Sorry, but when I read the latest statement you made, I just shook my head. Maybe you should ask “why” YOU don’t get it? Duh!
Just as you can tell a tree by the fruit it bears you can tell a writer by their style. Scamalertlicious has more than one name on these posts. It has a beef with CWS. Why? Did Anrol or Steve hold a gun to your head and demand your lindens? Was there a knife in your back to make you read notecards given to you by someone? No and no. How do I know this? Ask Scam…I’m a ‘Brainiac”!
I made one post on here and for that Scabalertalicious called me names like a little kid who didn’t get her way. tsk tsk
What did you have on your alleged mind when you attacked me for posting here? Was it because I disagreed with you? Get over it. There will always be someone who disagrees with you. Your venomous little site gets hits only because you linked it to other sites.
You really need attention and will clearly do anything to get it including trying to destroy what someone else has worked to create.
Now I’m done with this site and with you scam. You can post until you turn blue and I refuse to give you the attention you so need and demand.
“I am not sure how you can say such things Chalice as you have no knowledge of CWS. You read what Scam has written and without a shred of knowledge state that a SIM with over 50 active members should close down..why?…because of something you have read here?”
Apart from the fact that its my right to have an opinion, out of around 300 posts on this thread alone, in excess of 150 of them include some form of negative statement about CWS. Of those 150, only a portion are written by Scam.
I did not state that ‘a SIM with over 50 active members should close down’. I merely said ‘I support the culling of unscrupulous modeling agencies’. I think most reasonable people would support that cause. But now you mention it, if ‘a SIM with over 50 active members’ were to close down because it uses unsavory and coercive tactics on aspiring models not yet SL savvy, then so be it.
Chalice you couldn’t be more right. You don’t have to possess intimate knowledge to figure CWS out. I posted the facts and no one has said I’m wrong. A “model” there pays for nearly everything. He/she pays money to participate and to be featured there. In order to rise to the top of that organization, the more you pay and spend, the more they “recognize” you. I never said, people weren’t responsible for their own actions. I never said Anrol twisted anyone’s arm and forced them to participate. I did, however, describe how she operates, how she manipulates and how she rigs the various contests to boost her overall linden intake for a given event.
I have mentioned people’s names here and so has DebbieDoo. I use certain people in certain situations over at CWS to highlight Anrol Anthony’s duplicitous behavior and unethical character. Anrol is the CWS SIM owner and DebbieDoo can try and disassociate herself from that activity by turning her back to this shenanigans, shrugging her shoulders and saying, but it’s not my SIM. DebbieDoo goes on and on how she’s all about building people up and fulfilling dreams. I think that’s just a bunch of crap. You don’t “work” at a place like CWS with a despicable person like Anrol and act altruistic. No one called all CWS members clowns and this type of “spin” is why DebbieDoo gets “corrected.” That said, the styling events while they may be fun and entertaining, serve absolutely no practical purpose to real SL modeling. To hold these silly inane events nearly every evening is preposterous. The point that was made about skins and poses was to address the fact that CWS is collecting a fairly high tuition, only to be turning out would be models of such a lower quality in overall presentation, is shameful. DebbieDoo can say she doesn’t subscribe to the whole SL supermodel thing, but for individuals who seek out that sort of recognition, pay and exposure they will not find that marquis level of presentation at CWS. They may or may not have 50 active members, but Anrol targets noobs who have stumbled upon their shopping mall. What DebbieDoo failed to mention was “active” means these people have money on a contest board somewhere in CWS. You can’t even participate in a nightly styling event if you’re not a student or “actively” entered into one of their pageants with money on your name.
I liken Anrol to a casino owner. CWS is the casino and YOU pay to play. All the games (events, contests, etc….) are in the house’s favor. The casino owner knows all the tricks to keep people enticed and playing. The player may win a little here or there, but overall will lose considerably more than they will ever receive back. To call this SL modeling is a complete farce! It’s completely immoral and dishonest.
Nave is entitled to his opinion of me, I could frankly care less if he finds me “tedious.” I’m flattered he reads what I write and acknowledged me. Regardless, perhaps he likes being the only one on here who sounds informed. Either way no skin off my back. What I am fascinated by is who does Nave have on the “inside?” Where is he getting his info? Just goes to show CWS is a house of cards. People know. People are taking notice and while they may initially come here read this and angrily respond, they have the information and it’s starting to sink in. They will look at CWS and Anrol differently it’s unavoidable. The smoke and mirrors slowly start to disappear. When the Kool-aid wears off and they leave I have done a good thing. DebbieDoo they ARE listening!!!!
***waits for it***
Nevermind then just me wielding innuendo and ambiguity with other people’s words for a change
That said…………….I made my feelings about Anrol, Steve and CWS abundantly clear in here several years ago. I’m not sure if it did any good or not frankly. I also decided at some point that I couldn’t save ALL SL’s wannabe models from expensive lessons in the CWS world, I admit it……………. I stopped ranting about it in public. It got old…………..
I did question many CWS models about what went on there when I encountered them (I was writing an article but it got too fugly to be published so I gave up on it) and encouraged them not to drink Anrol’s Koolaid. I’m sure I woke a few up………….. In many cases I think they resented my interference in their pursuit of SL modeling glory. Some who’ve listened to my advice, or the counsel of people like Topaz Joubert, Kay Fairey, Dee Mills, or countless other willing,and able, experts on modeling in SL and worked hard to follow that advice, have succeeded beyond their wildest expectations without any help from CWS or Anrol.
At this point I’ve come to the conclusion that anyone who drinks that Koolaid is Anrol’s lawful prey and not my personal problem. They are adult, or maybe I should say a DOLT, if they freely choose to buy-in.
CWS and it’s ilk just sadden me
I will contribute as long as all the personal nonsense stops.
I am not sure how you can say such things Chalice as you have no knowledge of CWS. You read what Scam has written and without a shred of knowledge state that a SIM with over 50 active members should close down..why?…because of something you have read here?
I believe Scam has every right to point out things that she doesnt like about CWS, I just happen to disagree. I offer up alternatives but am either ridiculed or patronised.
I look at SL modelling in a very simple way. I dont go for people pretending to be super models, what nonesense, its SL, we all pay our $20 a month and some dont. For that we can choose to live a life that may elude us in RL. Some maybe models, others builders, others explorers etc…the one thing in common is its a dream, a fantasy and a fairytail. It doesnt have to be filled with drama, and for most is a nice way to relax during the limited time we spend here
I get accused of spinning but to me these things are all SL modelling is about, so if thats spinning great.
I have my own views on how pageants should be run and how judges should be selected, the amounts of money that should be paid to enter, if any, and the prizes offered. However I am not a SIM owner and therefore have no further say in how things should be done
I do protect those things at CWS that are dear to me.
That includes the school, where we aim to help the newer model in SL, and in some cases give guidance to those with more experience. Of course there is a price to pay, but I never offer the earth or the promise of anything other than a good start in this modelling art we all enjoy so much.
I will protect the reputation of students who graduate, they arent clowns!. Sure many dont have the best skins, or even best clothes, but they have a firm grounding and a start to something they can enjoy more.
I dont understand what a cutting edge pose is though. I can show how to make any good pose look bad in a sequence and how to make an average pose look lovely in a good sequence, thats what modelling in SL is about. Our students do go onto Maniera and Avenue and yes some have done well. Some have also developed somewhat Diva type egos which is annoying. Its SL CWS graduates are not clowns or idiots, they are members of the SL community. If a faction look down on others, then shame on them. I went to Maniera and was shown nothing but great care and skill by Topaz, not laughed at because I was new, with crappy skin and no idea what I wanted. Not sure what would have happened with a class full of scamalerts.
I also defend our nightly styling events. They are meant to be fun, where we can dress crazy or just be creative from our inventory. I hesitate if I see a model spending a fortune and advise any model from spending lindens on these events. Its not about winning or ego trips, its about being creative, building pose sequences and enjoying yourself. Not spending hours stressing and spend spend spending. As a judge I will mark down those who spend a fortune and mark up those who have made something look good from nothing.
I defend the magazine where models pictures are shown. Of course the magazine isnt a million seller, but who cares. The dream of any model is to have her picture in a magazine. So it costs 2000 Lindens to have that dream. If there are 10 models in the magazine a month then that covers the cost of producing it. So lets keep this a bit real. It a dream, thats all it is.
As for the pay to name this outfit or that outfit, and what you think of those outfits, well thats fine. If you have no wish to contribute then dont, but dont laugh at those who chose to do so. Sure its a way to raise revenue, but I am not sure how that is a scam.
You know my views on pageants. All I would say to scam is I know those who you are refering to, and you will find I am still and always will be friends with them. All I would say, is why did you sit and watch them spend such sums and spend hours prepairing yet do nothing, and if you did say something why didnt they listen to you? My advice is simple. Never spend more than you can afford to lose, and never spend if you feel pressured in any way. I know I never did. Also try not to be a sore loser or spoilt bratt of you dont win. If you dont win, well too bad. If you dont agree with the judges decision, well I do know how you feel, I have been shocked myself and horrified and wondered if the judges were watching what I was. However thats true of any pageant anywhere. If the result is what you want then you would be happy, if not you scream fix and scam.
I would also say I am nobodys dog, that is extremely insulting. I am in SL as I love it. I am at CWS as I love the people there. Do I make any lindens?..no…Do I want to ?..no… The second I stop enjoying myself and my friends is the day I leave. Nobody controls or owns me, I have an off switch on my computer and a life in the real world, and SL isnt part of that.
Now I am repeating myself, so I know how Nave Fall feels.
“My involvement started as I watched close friends hand over large sums of money in good faith to Anrol Anthony and CWS, for the “right” to participate in pageants, CWS print ads, etc.”
Yes I’ve witnessed that too. People who really want to be SL models turn themselves inside out to achieve some form of recognition for their vast efforts. I hate that there are people ready to squeeze them dry of their dollars promising the world but delivering nothing.
Only you know your personal experience with this agency and if your heart tells you to expose the scam, then I applaud your efforts and say KEEP GOING.
Nave said –
“If I read things right, they’ve taken some hits and I suspect they are, quietly, trying some new scams to recoup the lost revenues.”
Then isn’t that more reason for Scam to keep the momentum going?
When I actually read Scam’s posts and look between the lines, her message has altruistic overtones. I believe (s)he is doing it for the right reasons i.e. to stop people becoming enveloped in a dream that only exists if one fuels the coffers. I have no experience with CWS but I support the culling of unscrupulous modeling agencies.
“Actually I find Scam the most intelligent and insightful person in
this entire thread.”
I dunno about that one……………. while I 100% agree with the need to rid SL of CWS and Anrol, I think that Scam has gotten a bit tedious at this point. I realize that I suffer from that syndrome myself on occasion but,If I read things right, they’ve taken some hits and I suspect they are, quietly, trying some new scams to recoup the lost revenues.
I’m curious about the Diamonds and Rubies contests these days btw
Thank you Chalice, you’re support is very much appreciated. My involvement started as I watched close friends hand over large sums of money in good faith to Anrol Anthony and CWS, for the “right” to participate in pageants, CWS print ads, etc….The mere fact CWS even uses the term “modeling” in any form throughout SL is a complete scam all unto itself! Then to see those same friends (good and talented people) work tirelessly for hours, days and weeks on end, to have it culminate into nothing was devastating. Anrol plays manipulative games and is very shady. She is the worst of scammers, because she cozies up to the people with the most lindens to spend. She acts like a friend to all but underneath her phony facade, is one objective and that’s to bilk these poor people for as much money as she can. She is unprofessional, her behavior is erratic and at times hostile. She is a shameful gossip and worst of all rigs her own contests. Anrol Anthony is running the perfect cult-like environment over there and right in SL. Look at the vitriol spewed here by CWS members posting here. Only DebbieDoo touched on a select few facts and actually cared to comment and what she DID say was she didn’t agree with pay to play pageants either! No one else, not one other person addresses the facts or has a lucid coherent thing to say in opposition to the FACTS I presented. Anrol is secretly laughing all the way to the bank. She must be transferring loads of money into her personal PayPal account weekly. The only one getting “paid” over there is her. The occasional payouts don’t even scratch the surface of what a “model” has shelled out to participate. *SMH* You know I read other threads about other agencies and while problems exist and there are hurt feelings out there, nothing and no other SL modeling organization even comes close the heinous business practices and unscrupulous money bilking going on over CWS.
Actually I find Scam the most intelligent and insightful person in this entire thread. If (s)he has inside information that could potentially save some new, unsuspecting want-to-be model time and money, then (s)he’s doing a public service in my opinion. Nothing wrong with singling out a cause and spending a bit of time informing the masses of the potential for disaster.
I’ve personally witnessed some atrocious scamming in my years in SL around modeling and have always felt compelled to ‘sing like a bird’ in an attempt to expose it.
Cuddle for ScamAlertLicious – you go girl. Or are you a boy? Regardless, don’t be dissuaded from your objective.
….and every time you bots come back here and rail at me (instead of disputing the facts) it gives me the opportunity to continue to trash the troll that Anrol is. So bring it baby!!!!
BTW “pancake” (I can’t imagine any normal person calling themselves that), you’re correct, it is Anrol’s SIM, but who do you think is paying her bills dumb dumb? NOT ANROL!!! All of you are. The models whose pictures those were paid her tiers many times over. That’s the point “pancake mix.” It’s not about petty tears and tantrums. It’s not about spilled milk or sour grapes over losing some dumba@$ rigged pageant over there. Maybe when YOU get effed over enough by Anrol and she back stabs you or tells everyone at CWS your personal business, maybe just maybe then you’ll get your head out of your arse!!!
Look Pancake on the Brain, no one is crying or throwing any tantrums over pictures so your continuous attempts to paint this issue that way is just lame. Additionally, I know YOU think you’re hilarious but I suspect you’re the only one who is laughing. You’re a clown and nothing more. You try and appear witty, but you just look like a fool. Like I stated, I’m so flattered YOU find me so important that you wish to continue to engage me here. I am happy to oblige as I am 100x your intellect and can think circles around you. You only wish I was a “mindless idiot.” That would basically be anyone who continues to funnel money into Anrol Anthony’s pockets. Once more I challenge you to dispute the FACTS and not me personally, you’ll lose that battle every time. Since you suffer from the same ailment as most CWS bots (lack of reading for comprehension) perhaps you should re-read my comments regarding the pictures and what I believe it truly represents. I think for you it would be a waste of time, however because I don’t think you’re the sharpest tool in the shed. Also, I believe you have substance abuse issues that make most of your comments unintelligible and erratic. I think perhaps YOU need an intervention or a talk show to get at the root of YOUR issues.
awww scamalert is so cute….
You should have seen the tantrum when all the cough cough super models pictures were removed from ANROLS SIM
Scamalert…waaaaaaah waaaaaah I dont wanna you to remove the picture waaaaaaah waaaaaaah waaaaaahh…I know its your sim…waaaaaaaaaah waaaaaah
Scamalertlicious, do please contact me at the below web address to appear on my comeback show, show topic is, “I`M GETTING LAUGHED AT ON AGENCY REPORT!” We love to interview MINDLESS IDIOTS and you fit the role perfectly. Or is it DR PHIL you need?? LMAO
LOVE IT!!!! Ahh my little darlings, you can’t be too “bored.” You’re reading part of what I have written and flatter me by responding, despite how completely unbalanced and torqued up YOU sound. I like the “nobody is listening” comment. Contradict yourself much? Sorry, you tragic poor creatures, you still have yet to pinpoint accurately who I am, but you keep trying. I get a big kick out of your silly assumptions and crazed diatribes. Not sure what I supposedly “called” Victoria that was so insulting. “Brainiac?” Well, if that’s the worst it will take to bring out the lunatic fringe, keep it coming CWS bots. You come here, make ridiculous and inane remarks, only bolstering my contentions. Ooops my bad, I’m using words far too articulate for my “limited intellect.” LOL! Additionally, the entire “pancake” reference completely baffles me as I’m sure 99% who will read this. Are you on a 12 step program and fell off the wagon? The last entry sounded like someone who had a few too many. It’s so refreshing to see (cough cough) how threatened and frenzied the Kool-Aid drinkers get when they can’t actually dispute or argue with the FACTS. They continue to misdirect the conversation and marginalize me down to a petty, angry loser. Well if that’s who I am and I have yet to give Anrol Anthony one red cent of my hard earned cash, what does that make all of you?
you bore the life out of everyone
Your a walking insult, You either have a limited intellect or short tem memory issues as you repeat the same old thing over and over, nobody is listening, get over your vast ego. Maybe you fell off your ego and banged your head, hence your problem, who knows.
Awww now you will cry nobody loves you,. My feeling is you have a frenemy list, as even your friends hate you.
Dont you dare accuse anyone of calling you mentally subnormal after calling Victoria what you did.
You spent hundreds of thousands and still couldnt win a crumby crown, in what you call a second rate agency. you mist be rubbish, and deserve a big refund on whatever model school fees you have paid. If thats true after everything you have written here is a special offer to you.
******Exclusive to Scamalert a PANCAKE MIX RECIPE************
I have a secondhand pancake mix, just for you. For 200,000 I wont send you a thing..wow what an offer..Double that price..yes thats 550,000 to you!!!!! I will send it minus the bit which says add an egg. Lets all hope you make a better cook than model, good luck and happy munching
Scam you are really beginning to bore the life out of me! You think you have that much power to close down CWS….OMG…..wake up . smell the coffee and do one! Why on earth does it bother you SOOOOO much what Anrol Anthony makes in lindens?(if at all any).
Of course your bitter, because you are one of those people that has had their pictures removed and spent a fortune to boost your already over inflated EGO! Yawns, go tell it to Oprah!
Hey Savior Victoria….dispute the following, explain the mass exodus of the top models over there brainiac!
Many people feel wronged by CWS, specifically Anrol Anthony. Steve hides behind his videos and pretends to not really know what’s going on. Anrol is very manipulative and diabolical when it comes to drumming up more lindens for their “business.” She never fails to conjure up new tricks and enticing machinations to basically drain money away from trusting new SL model participants and funnel those lindens/dollars right into her pocket. Anyone on here claiming Anrol and/or CWS aren’t making a profit, is completely naive and needs to put down the Kool-Aid! The various “payouts,” staff salaries and tier expenses are minute, by comparison to what they are raking in weekly, monthly and annually. Let’s look at ways CWS makes money:
• Tuition on their university times how many people pay per month (very few if any are getting that Celina Scholarship these days) = approx. $7000 per student
• Their monthly magazine cover model contest = approx. $2000 per entrant (but only 10 or so are selected).
• “Models for Hire” advertising in their magazine and video = approx. $2000 per model.
• “Print Logo Model” (the biggest scam and joke ever!!!) = approx. $50,000 – $200,000 per entrant. **Note Anrol is notorious for IM-ing the contestants at the last minute to “notify” them they have been “outbid” and need to put up more money in order to stay in front and/or win. Newsflash models…..she’s doing this to everyone to jack up the money they make!**
• “Name the Dress After You” = approx. $500, $1000 and up depending on how many you purchase
• Calendar monthly models (here’s where they really start scoring big) = approx. $150,000 – $450,000 (yes, those numbers are for real and anyone who is a monthly calendar winner knows it’s 100% fact!) per entrant. **Note recently Anrol changed the rules: The bidding is kept secret. In other words only she knows how much each model has put down on their picture!!!**
• CWS Pageants (again the cash cow of their business) = approx. $150,000 – $300,000 per entrant (only the top 10 spenders make the cut/pageant). **Note Anrol is repeating the same pageants in the same calendar year to make more money.**
I’m sure there a few more missing here, but I think the point is made loud and clear. Multiply these amounts (even the lowest ones) by numerous models and/or participants and it becomes pretty clear how much Anrol is making off this crap. Let’s look at some commonly know expenses and payouts and what do the models there actually receive?:
• Nightly styling event (not held every night of every month) = $1000 payout total to 1st, 2nd & 3rd Place winners (who btw spent way more than that on their outfits to even compete) These are so laughable. Take one look at their website and you will see the nuttiest stuff. It would be ok if they held this once a month with a funky theme and it actually served some real purpose or benefit to the “model.” It’s beyond silly and models learn absolutely nothing practical or useful to apply in real SL modeling.
• The University, actually in all fairness the best bargain. This is one of the cheaper tuitions out there in SL and the instruction is decent. The curriculum is comprehensive (the only value and benefit to models at CWS). There are better ones out there like Maniera, Avenue and Passion. The models graduating from CWS have a circus-esque appearance that will get them NOWHERE outside of CWS. It is a fact, any who have transitioned out of CWS have all upgraded their skin and look totally different. Also, CWS does not teach advanced prim editing, fashion history or cutting edge posing.
• The magazine cover, if there are actual monetary winnings, they’re insignificant but hey you get to be on the cover of their magazine that no one else outside of CWS ever reads or looks at. You get to be featured in their monthly video also a “big whoop!”
• “Models for Hire” you pay CWS to be featured as one of THEIR models (LOL!!!!)
• “Print Logo Model” you pay CWS to advertise one of THEIR pageants (LMAO!!!!) Oooops and a video of yourself by Steve (ask yourself how many of those can you have?).
• Name a Dress After You” you pay CWS to advertise and model one of Anrol’s ghastly creations (LMFAO!!!!!)
• Calendar monthly model you pay CWS to be featured as THEIR model of the month. You get to wait until all 12 have paid to be in it and then get to compete in the big annual Calendar Finale which will certainly cost you a few shekels more indeed (costumes, poses, dances and pictures). If you’re the winner you get a crown, a trophy and a featured photo (worth hundreds of $$$? You decide.)
• CWS “sponsored” pageants same thing….you pay CWS enormous amounts of money to outbid other models and “make top 10.” Then you get to spend tons more money on everything else (costumes, poses, dances and pictures). And once again you get a crown (whoopdie doo), a trophy (fugly) and a featured photo (again fairly insane).
So as you can see and easily deduce CWS is like going to Vegas YOU PAY for your fun! On occasion you might win a little but the rules and the games favor “the house.”
Oh Victoria aren’t you so quaint? You’ve got to love the great defenders here. They all “assume” you’ve “lost something,” you’re “bitter,” “hatin'” or “angry.” Yes Victoria, I’m super torn up and furious I haven’t been bilked by Anrol Anthony. I am truly filled with hatred because I spent hundreds of thousands in lindens and didn’t even win a crumby crown and a cheesy photo over at CWS, to be ripped down later when I finally discover what a crappy place it is. You have me pegged for sure, I am so anxious and torqued up about it, my health is in danger (giggles). Sorry, you were serious….anyhow you certainly have us naysayers all figured out, thanks for stopping by to show off how profoundly astute you are! F.Y.I. everyone Victoria Allegiere has swooped into Agency Report and saved the day!!! Yay!!! That must be it……hardly!
I’ve read a few of these posts and would like to ask the individual who started this if they would really tell the truth about why it was started. The answer to that would be a resounding NO. You won’t tell anyone why you are so bitter and filled with hatred because it is something you want to hide. Can’t say I blame you there. Ashamed of yourself? You should be! Did you know that hatred, anger and jealousy are hazardous to your health?
The kind of bitterness I’ve read here apparently comes from someone who lost to someone else and never got over it.
Read this carefully please. There will always be someone better at something or more beautiful or richer or stronger etc etc. Accept that as a part of life and move on. This can’t be healthy for you. Find a real hobby, something truly constructive and helpful to others. I hope this helps, I really do. Life is short at the longest and spending it hating someone else or trying to destroy them is just too negative to be good for anyone.
Btw, why is it ok for you to throw out names but no one else can? Now it’s someone close to you and you’re upset? Good because newsflash DebbieDoo, that whole situation is coming to a head and I would be willing to wager Flora’s and your days at CWS are numbered. You might actually have to choose between business and friendship. Question is, what will you do? Pssst, I have a secret for you….you’re sitting on top of a powder keg. Anrol is trashing Flora’s reputation (well only at CWS). No one outside of that horrible place cares about Anrol or what she thinks. Flora will certainly find less drama and friendlier pastures elsewhere.
DebbieDoo, that’s my whole point…who are you REALLY defending? I said Anrol has been saying horrendous things about these ladies. I didn’t repeat what she said. I’m glad people are sitting up and asking questions. AWESOME!!! They should!!! Why weren’t you so damn concerned when Nickle’s extremely personal business was splattered all over the net? Did you try and get to the bottom of it? Did you investigate it and ask Nickle who she told? Guess who told everyone? Now Anrol is out there trying to bury Flora for drama Anrol created. You might be interested to know prior to Flora becoming a student there, Anrol would boost other models linden bids to squeeze Flora out of competitions. If you care so much ask around. Anrol has screwed Flora over, more than a few times. I know for a fact she kept Flora out of her precious Calendar Model competition!!! Poor Flora she’s so loyal to that evil little shrew. Spending her valuable lindens on that lame excuse for a magazine. Wake up folks!!!
I think I am going to stop this right now, as you are now talking about two close firends of mine, who have no idea about what you are talking about. In the past I said I would stop and didnt, but this has now gone to a silly level.
You say about disclosing confidential information yet post names of individuals and will cause people to ask what is happening.
Posting the names of one person who is my dearest friend in SL and one who is a truly wonderful person is appauling, and I want nothing more to do with this thread.
DebbieDoo what was my response to you August 26 @ 4:13pm? You say I’m nasty lol. You’re not sunshine and roses either sweetheart. I never claimed to be a “savior.” I’m just me and I came here to inform, clarify and expose the despicable organization CWS and highlight how Anrol Anthony manipulates new models, hounds and harasses them for more and more money and is a shameless gossip!!! The stuff she’s been spreading around lately about Flora and Katrinova is deplorable!!! It’s amazing anyone confides personal or confidential information with that creature. You jump all over my shortcomings with regards to my posts here, but what have YOU done to stop Anrol? Why are you working there? Why is someone like you defending a lowlife troll like her? Do you think if push came to shove she would have your back DebbieDoo? She’d sell you down the river in a second if money were at stake. Why are you here at all? Fine, you disagree with all of my contentions about CWs but never really state the opposing “fact.” You basically said last night, “oh well too bad so sad” on the CWS pageant scam. You have put forth your “solutions” so why? What is your point going forward? Apparently the owner, ANROL ANTHONY refuses to come here and answer any of us personally. I guess it’s true what people are saying about you, you’re “Anrol’s pitbull.” You know, her dog. That about fits right? After all YOU’RE doing HER dirty work aren’t you? As I pointed out you’re not the owner and you don’t make the rules or dictate policy over there so enlighten us. I think it’s YOUR ego that is being fed here every time you post.
Yes, I think if you’re going to continue to come here and stand on YOUR soapbox you are accountable for what you say. I stand by every word I have ever written here. I take back NOTHING!!!! Unlike, you and Dutchess I don’t find prejudice in any form “a joke.” That comment you made was condescending and small minded. It’s like making a comment about someone’s weight or the color of their skin and saying, “Oh but it was just a joke. No big deal.” Just own it and admit it was a mistake in judgement, but for God’s sake don’t defend it. You people never cease to amaze me, you come here and prove my point about CWS and it’s mentality over and over and over again. Trust me DebbieDoo you aren’t scoring any points for that crappy place.
btw you asked for the date Debbie Says:
August 26, 2011 at 10:48 am ,,,
I dont know you, so how do I know how you are, I just see nasty comments from time to time. I never called you a hater, thats a strong word, and it doesnt apply to you at all. You sentiments are honest and you do make them clearly, I just happen to disagree. I have never claimed to be a role model, and people who see themselves as such need a vanity check. If they see me as one, I would suggest they think again. SL is about having fun, not being some stupid in love with themselves twonk.
Its nice to see that you are now not only the saviour of the modelling world but also for non English speakers. You found my comment offensive?, how precious you must be, you must have shed tears over your toast. In future I will remember to be very PC, just in case. Maybe you should seek out the saviour of those people who cant tell a sarcastic comment if it fell on their head in a box with the words “in this box is a whole heap of sarcastic comments”. Offensive my bottom. I was being sarcastic and YOU KNOW IT..you know it…gosh if I repeat myself it sounds really angry…wow
DebbieDoo, whenever I call you on the carpet about you’re endless spin of the facts, happen to point out the numerous discrepancies in your comments and highlight your hypocrisy, then I’m being “nasty.” Not sure where you’re going with the English not being my first language thing, but I think it’s fairly obvious I’m articulate and honestly I find that remark offensive to those who don’t speak English very well. Now of course, you’ll go on some diatribe about how you are friends with people from all over the world and so forth. I don’t think you’re a mean or predjudice person, but it’s another example of you talking completely off the cuff and without reviewing your remarks before you hit “post comment.” You call yourself a role model and then make that remark? It’s utterly unacceptable even for you. I know you want to come here and paint me as this hater who has little to no regard for the underdog, quite the contrary and you know it. YOU KNOW IT!!!!! That was the whole point of me coming here in the first place. I was and continue to be horrified, disgusted and concerned about how Anrol Anthony conducts her business, CWS and preys on the “little people” as you refer to them. You and I can go round and round, but I can say with authority the MAJORITY of students attending training at CWS are paying Anrol Anthony, whether you want to call it “sponsorship” or not, at the end of the day ANROL still gets paid for them!!!!!! Sponsorship is not scholarship!!! I nor anyone else cares if Anrol makes money off of her school. She should. It’s the other crap going on over there and YOU KNOW IT!!!
Do me a favor and find that post where you suggested you and I work together on this “idea” of yours. Please try something new and provide with the date and time you made that offer to me. Not sure why you keep bringing Zachary into this, but if you want to open that Pandora’s box, I will oblige you. You wrote, “omg my picture was removed from Zacharys studios after we fell out…omg omg…how dare he I paid for it.” Well Debbie, if he “removed” your pics from his studio I’m sure it was because you went around CWS and to Anrol making false accusations that he was the one posting here. Anrol, all charged up by your assumptions and gossip went psycho on him, the two fought and their relationship dissolved (all thanks to you). You paid for those photos and I’m fairly sure you received copies of them no? He is a photographer, not a modeling organization owner, operating pageants. If you can’t see the difference than that sort of says something about you. I’m not “obsessed” in the least about pageant pictures. However, I am fascinated how everyone is so defensive of this petty and childish practice of Anrol’s. I keep pointing it out because I think it exposes the true troll like greedy and shady nature of Anrol.
Much has been said about judging over there. I agree with Cash Cow, the judges should NEVER be instructors or staff at CWS. It’s beyond sketchy. My “remedies” as you call them are to drive a devastating blow to CWS and Anrol’s wallet with my comments here, so she’ll be forced to drastically change the entire scope of that place or close up shop for good. My “remedy?” Simple, alert noobs and novice models to seek training and real employment elsewhere. To avoid CWS altogether, it’s bad news!!!! As for the models I mentioned, that’s nice you wish them well, happiness and success. I think you are genuine in that sentiment. We can all tell what Anrol “wishes” them. Her ACTIONS speak volumes!!!! Get it?
If those models you mentioned felt cheated etc then thats how they feel, and I know them and know how they feel, and cant dispute their feelings. They did what they felt was best for them and left, and I hope they have tons of success. I seem to recall teaching all of them in class, with the exception of SD and Diana, and rate them highly for what its worth. My only regret is that you are probably in their friends list, and that really cant be pleasant for them (:))
I dont seem to recall any of them IMg me crying about pictures being removed, its of no consequence. As you stated, CWS models look circusesque before they leave, so maybe they are releaved their clown pics are down, but thats your words not mine.
I think your last nasty little post sums you up.
By non competing I meant non agency, non profit making well that means all the money paid in funds the event. What I was really saying is that you sure have a rather inflated opinion of yourself, and was offering to help you set up it up, but obviously you missed that one. You are great on critising but short on remedy.
Where funding of students is concerned you have no idea of who funds who. In some classes the majority are funded by models and trainers, in others maybe 4 or 5 will be. Maybe English isnt your first language so I will help a bit..sponsorship and scholarship are two different words, I am talking sponsorship :) You probably look down at the little people and make a hearty laugh, and think of nasty things to say about people helping others.
As for poor judging, well thats a common theme throughout this forum. My view is all judges should be completely independant, and maybe some form of panel set up within the modelling community so they can be allocated to judge at pageants across sl. That those judges are kept secret from everyone until pageant starts. Maybe judges being voted onto the panel, and just once and for a limited time If a judge knows a competitor they withdraw. Even then people will have issues with decisions, as we dont all see the same thing. It would be fair though. It certainly would take away the accusations that do fly around.
All I can say is I refuse to judge in CWS pageants as I tend to know the competitors. I judged in 3 minor pageants at CWS , Pink won one and SD another and not sure about the 3rd one, but have now pulled out as I feel uncomfortable. I do however from time to time judge for other agencies, either their picture board based comps or runway, but completely independantly and pull out if I know the competitors.
You really seem to have a thing about pictures of models who have left being removed, so what…does it matter?..are they so vain? I doubt it, but you seem to be a bit obsessed. omg my picture was removed from Zacharys studios after we fell out…omg omg…how dare he I paid for it..I was arse of the month or face or whatever it was..omg omg I woirked so hard to buy that hair and its gone.like pfffffft who cares I know I dont
Wow, DebbieDoo where do I start? As usual you are the consummate spin doctor. Your hypocrisy knows no limits. Do you re-read your comments before you post them? In one statement as usual you claim CWS is this philanthropic-esque place that helps the “novice” would be model. On the other hand you’re like well if it’s not fair and they can’t afford to compete in stuff oh well that’s life. LMAO!!!! Cool sounds like a real neat place. First, that is total crap about the “sponsorship.” A few (very few) are actually “sponsored.” The MAJORITY pay. This whole scholarship, aren’t we so wonderful act makes me want to puke. I don’t have any issue whatsoever about the training program or charging a fee for individuals to attend. Don’t put words into my mouth. It’s the way you paint this rosy kumbaya atmosphere over there that makes me ill. Second, I nor anyone else (as has been stated here numerous, numerous times and you know it) has a problem with a SIM owner making a “profit.” However, as has been recounted, pointed out and alternative suggestions made, people object to the DISHONESTY with which Anrol runs CWS. It’s the cheating and the shady behavior. It’s the judges and the favoritism (mainly monetarily based). Do SOME of these things exist elsewhere? Of course, but we’re here discussing CWS and Anrol. DebbieDoo you either want to pretend there aren’t loads of comments below that lay this out in detail and remedies for the shadiness exhibited by Anrol and Co, or you suffer from short term memory loss. I would encourage ANYONE ELSE reading this to take the time out and read the lengthy comments below and decide for yourself as DebbieDoo said. Third, you made this statement, “I once made a genuine offer to create some alernative non competing or profit making pageant and you patronised me, but did nothing.” What are you even talking about? When was that? A “non-competing pageant?” That’s called a runway show. A “non-profit” pageant? That’s everyone else BUT CWS. Not sure what the heck you’re even talking about with that. Lastly, I couldn’t care less if you want to post here until the cows come home. You’re right it’s a free website. My point was, no one really cares whether or not YOU had a touchy feely conversation with the numerous exiting models. Let’s hear from Anrol herself. It’s funny how Pirkka, Pinktiki, SD, Meimei and Diana all split on such nice and cordial terms as you would have all of us believe yet that nasty little troll Anrol ripped their winning pageant pictures down. Did they not put up the cash? Did they not win those titles fair and square? Should they not remain there until the title is won by another? Just goes to show the pettiness of Anrol Anthony and that contrary to what YOU say, things weren’t so “amicable.” Those models put in the time, money and effort. They felt slighted, cheated and manipulated by Anrol or they would never have left THAT WAY! Prove me wrong!
DebbieDoo, what fascinates me is, it’s all about YOU. You and Diana spoke, you and Diana remain friends. You wonder why every time you post a comment I call it “The Debbie Show.” This is a thread about CWS. Are you the new owner now? Are you the official spokesperson? How come the owner and operator, Anrol Anthony can’t come here and answer the allegations? Why do you feel the need to defend and respond ALL the time? Is Anrol paying you extra to do PR? Oh right I forgot you love to waste time for no pay.
I only respond when I disagree with what you write, and unless I am mistaken isnt that what a formum is for?
As for others, I only speak for myself !
…and bored shhhhh Scam and I can type to each other, its not some screaming match. We happen not to agree with each other, and from my point of view there is no hate.
Of course when I talk about my experiences with people I talk from a personal perspective. I was just was responding to your comment. Its a forum its a free world I can say what I want, and believe in what I want too. At least I dont hide behind some silly name and repeat the same things. I understand if you repeat something often enough people will begin to believe it.
CWS is not a scam, if it was I would run a mile from it. If you dont like what is on offer there, then dont go, its not complicated and is true of everything in SL.
Now for a few facts.
Who cares if a sim or business owner makes a profit, as long as it is legal. The amount they make is their private business, so not sure what your problem is. Jealousy is a terrible thing.
Students, are mainly sponsored, by other CWS models/trainers, however how they pay is confidential.
We aim our school at new models with little or no experience. I had none when I joined and most dont. As for Cutting edge poses/..give me a break a pose is a pose, some are good, some terrible, but cutting edge oh please, its SL you numpty. As far as history of fashion or advanced editing are concerned you are right, Maneira are by far the best, I know I went there and loved it. Topaz is brilliant, and fun too. I recommend any reader to go there, no hesitation.
We do a three week course that aims to take a complete novice and hopefully give her a good start, hopefully they stay, but often move on. I think thats wonderful. We simply dont have time to expand the course, and its not what people want. There is only so much blah blah one can take.
For advanced things I happily advise models to go to Topaz or Avenue, it would be nonsense not to. They run fantastic schools, but for a different market.
As many of our models are new they dont have the funds for skins or even poses, and in time as they earn lindens they can buy better things, so what are you saying? we should buy skins for people or advise someone new into SL to spend 1000+ on a skin, when they might not even stay in modelling. I would sooner they got some basics right first, and let students decide wether modelling is for them or not. Not produce a scamalert robot, with cutting edge poses, piercing blue eyes and skin you can see the freckles on.
As far as styling is concerned it is plain simple week nightly fun. I announce on Wednesdays and judge on Tuesdays. I make one thing very clear when I judge, spend a fortune and I will not be impressed, make something great from existing inventory in an art neavou (I cant spell) format, be creative with your mind not purse. Make poses fit, including no armpit or silly stuff, but mostly have fun and learn. When I announce its also fun. Its 1am my time so I sacrafice alot, but for the fun everyone has, its worth it. No doubt you will find that funny, but frankly I dont care, as I dont see you helping anyone.
As for people spending on pageants, that is their business. If people see this as unfair, then they should not take part. It is in my opinion gambling, that doesnt make it a scam. For those with no lindens sure it doesnt seem fair, but then again in rl some of us have bigger houses or nicer holidays, ,but thats life, get over it. There are alternatives and CWS is not exclusively about pageants.
If you find with styling that our models look foolish then you are missing one simple thing. They do it because its fun and oddly they enjoy it. I know I used to, and didnt even care if it was a requirememnt that I attend 1 a week. Its only an hour or so a week, its not exactly a major sacrafice
I am bound to disagree with other things you write but we just go round and round. I still however dont see what YOU have to offer as an alternative.
I once made a genuine offer to create some alernative non competing or profit making pageant and you patronised me, but did nothing.
• Nightly styling event (not held every night of every month) = $1000 payout total to 1st, 2nd & 3rd Place winners (who btw spent way more than that on their outfits to even compete) These are so laughable. Take one look at their website and you will see the nuttiest stuff. It would be ok if they held this once a month with a funky theme and it actually served some real purpose or benefit to the “model.” It’s beyond silly and models learn absolutely nothing practical or useful to apply in real SL modeling.
• The University, actually in all fairness the best bargain. This is one of the cheaper tuitions out there in SL and the instruction is decent. The curriculum is comprehensive (the only value and benefit to models at CWS). There are better ones out there like Maniera, Avenue and Passion. The models graduating from CWS have a circus-esque appearance that will get them NOWHERE outside of CWS. It is a fact, any who have transitioned out of CWS have all upgraded their skin and look totally different. Also, CWS does not teach advanced prim editing, fashion history or cutting edge posing.
You stated, “I know so many ladies who in rl have serious health issues, and SL in all its forms offer them a way to forget their rl troubles, others like me just love the people and enjoy having fun, and others enjoy making modelling in SL an art form. Some will spend silly amounts on pageants, I dont but thats my choice thankyou.” That’s the whole point and you know it!!! I have always taken exception with the greedy bilking of new and impressionable would be models, by Anrol Anthony. I think it’s utterly despicable she pawns that joke of a place off as any sort of modeling organization. Plan? What are you talking about? It’s fairly basic, my “plan” as you call it, is to see places like that shut down. If CWS, at the hands of Anrol Anthony cannot function and draw income from any other source but models, “the pay to play pageants” and the ridiculous pay to be in her contests, then she doesn’t deserve to operate and collect lindens on SL!!! My “plan” is to advise any reader who comes here to seek modeling elsewhere! I have mentioned numerous other AGENCIES, yes agencies that train and hire models. The operative word being “hire.” My “plan” is to inform noobs that if you have to pay thousands upon thousands to enter a pageant or contest it’s a huge bilking scam!!! Since we have gotten off my original topic once again, I’ll repost my first post so you can refresh your memory.
It’s hilarious you said, “Some will spend silly amounts on pageants.” So are you against the CWS pageants? If not, how do you advise individuals who want to participate, to enter? If they don’t put up seriously gross amounts of money they have no chance of being in it. It’s not a submission/selection process like 98% of all the other modeling organizations in SL. Have you ever told Nickle to dial it back and let other models have a shot at those 3 extra points for a change? Talk about “silly amounts!” She’s the queen of stupidity when it comes to spending lindens. What’s her average, $120K? If you do object, I imagine you’re advising all the “models” over there not to participate in any of Anrol’s stupid garbage right?
to bored..its called a forum, people post how they feel, not sure what is wrong with that. If you dont like, then dont read, simples!
The funny thing is..you criticise yet never offer a better way of doing things.
I dont see you offering any alternative. Even if I am not keen on some other agencies at least their owners do offer choice. It just so happens I have made mine. If your advice is to leave and go elsewhere, then great, mine is too!
As I stated countless times before, if people dont like CWS or any other group then leave. You are great at mentioning people like Diana who happen to remain dear friends. Her leaving CWS is the same to me as her leaving any group, it doesnt effect our friendship, as that is more important than anything. Its their choice, and there is more to SL. We had long chats about how she felt, and they remain between us, so I may not be the bully you claim I am. I am here as its fun, and the second I stop having fun I will leave..poof..easy no drama..
None of us are real models. I know so many ladies who in rl have serious health issues, and SL in all its forms offer them a way to forget their rl troubles, others like me just love the people and enjoy having fun, and others enjoy making modelling in SL an art form. Some will spend silly amounts on pageants, I dont but thats my choice thankyou. So instead of spinning the same of tired story that you are on some sort of mission, let us all know what you have that is so different and maybe spend some of your hard earned on building it. I am sure I will be the first to comment on it in here..(hehehe)
I am sure your response will be yawn yean blah blah or something silly, but for a change tell us all what your alternative is. Nave Fall dislikes CWS, and I dont agree with him, but at least he does come up with other ideas and in SL is active in helping people, I am not sure about you. All I know is you are the person who on christmas day would prolly find something nasty to say about father christmas.
Btw….loved the comment on the Miss Virtual World thread about CWS!!!! Obviously, I’m not the only one who hates that wretched place!!!
Bored, is it “more or less?” LMAO! Takes one to know one baby. You may think it’s nothing, but I’m fairly confident there are many who don’t and get a good chuckle out of the things I happen to point out. Which I will continue to do here, regardless. Keep drinking your CWS, Anrol prepared Kool-Aid and dropping those precious lindens into her greedy pockets.
October 26, 2011 at 5:41 pm
blah blah blah Debbie *sighs with boredom*
Long, long ago we all sighed about the thread CWS, please get help, please!! All the posting about nothing is meaningsless and more or less a sign of mental illness.
“Oh where, oh where” did little Diana go? “Oh where, oh where could she be?” Hmm, another defection? Another departure from grand ole CWS? Word is Diana Balhaus has gone the way of MVW too. Checking her profile and noticed any and all traces of CWS are gone (lmao). CWS’ Calendar Model finale is shaping up to be a real stinker. Who will be our next lucky contestant to save a buck and flee the evil greedy clutches of Anrol Anthony? Can’t wait!!!
blah blah blah Debbie *sighs with boredom*
My constant rants around CWS about Zachery to anybody who will listen?..to whom? and when?..he left months ago, I would be suprised if anyone knew him, and why the hell would I have a go at him or anybody else. If you are going to accuse me of such rubbish get your facts right. I dont rant at anyone, I am selective, and my rants are aimed at you. :))
If you are going to criticise CWS then thats fine, I happen not to agree with you, but being nasty about individual models is just plain nasty. As many in SL state, behind each avi is a person, and you need to think about that before attacking them. I will defend any model in CWS who you name even if I dont like them, hell I would even defend Zachary.
Let me also pre empt your next tranche of nasty posts with regard lastnights pageant. The judges made a decision who should win, and I dont care how you feel as you arent part of CWS. It doesnt even matter if I disagree with their choice either, they made a decision end of story as far as the pageant goes. All I hope is that all the models in the pageant enjoyed themselves and the quality of Sidney and Kira and the lovely Diana and Sunrae was amazing. They have class and dignity. I was in IM to each one during the show and am thrilled to be friends with them. Backstage we had some very funny moments too,..My view is all of them should have won..Diana inspires me constantly.
As far as Scam is concerned her idea of a discussion is to insult people by calling them thick or calling them a clown. Thats the language of a bully, lacking in dignity and is as classy as a bad smell.
oh spare us, you’re OBVIOUSLY new to the thread and conversation so you suffer from a lack of information and like most of those you’re defending the ability to actually read, research and fact check before you shoot off you’re big mouth! No one who has left is actually upset their pictures are removed from CWS sites and spaces. This will probably fly right over your dense head, but it’s the matter of business propriety and Anrol’s lack there of. She bilks models and would be models for every penny and then shafts them in the end. I literally died laughing when you said, “The models who are left are wonderful and dont pretend or claim to be the best.” So you apparently haven’t met Nickle (ROFL). With regards to Zachary, you have your facts wrong. You must be new, because you have apparently missed Debbie’s constant rants around CWS about him. Complaining and maligning his name to anyone who will listen. Why don’t you ask her why he left. As for the rest ask greedy stupid Anrol and that moron lackey of hers, Nickle Sparrowtree. REAL models were fed up with Anrol’s silly financial “fixes” and Nickle’s continuous tantrums and baseless diva attitude! Until you take your head out of your arse maybe you should lay off trying to sound important and “in the know.” You’re a clown!
You are a very sad individual.
Who cares who comes and goes?
The people who stay enjoy themselves and, if they dont, they go.
I am sure that is true of any group in Secondlife. I hear a most at Zacharies photo group left for instance because he acted like a little spoilt girl, but again who cares.
As for pictures?..if someone leaves I wouldnt think they would worry for a second if their picture was on display or not. Or do people truly believe the avitar in the picture is truly them?
The models who are left are wonderful and dont pretend or claim to be the best. They do their best and enjoy what they are doing and if that isnt a good thing then I dont know what is
When you get to the stage where you think you are something supreior at pressing the pose button then surely a visit to the man in the white coat is needed..something like..dr dr I am a SL supermodel…and people laugh at me..especially my family and friends at work, and that nasty anrol has removed my picture so people will forget me…oooooh help me dr…the dr reply would be..dont worry it could be worse you could be posting on a web page about SL model agencies responding to scamalertalicious…OMG I AM>>>OMG HELP ME
Another one bites the dust…..(can’t you hear the song?). Pink’s pics are gone. Uh-oh Anrol you better pay closer attention (of course the word is, there’s a little substance issue there), you forgot one (ROFL). Classic’s Calendar Model “thing” has sure gone through some drastic changes this year. What a crappy finale that’s going to be. The BEST models are gone. Classic is slipping and slipping and slipping. Thanks to this website, I’m sure Anrol has amped up the pressure for more lindens and added more ridiculous contests to drum up $$$. Merciless!!!
millions in the UK feel the same, I dont think there are more thab 5 or 6 who even know who you are talking about…keep it in perspective and be happy
Well, I think that last post speaks volumes……cookoo, cookoo, cookoo!
why would you assume I am Vicky?
Nope..guess again and again and again, you will never get it right Pink\Zach\Meimei\SD\Debbiedoo\Tiffy\Lua\Anrol\all of SL….delete as appropriate
She laughs at your pointless posts as do most in CWS, so it looks like your warnings really do get noticed..unfortunately for you as a source of some amusement and ridicule.
You will never get it right….and if you want to see a real scam look no further than the British Royals…they rob the taxpayer blind and even waste millions on a tacky wedding, which the USA seemed to like as if they dont have enough tack…yet you complain of an alleged scam which it isnt.worth a few dollars a month..get things in perspective….
Millions die from famine every day, people are becoming jobless, yet you, me a nd a few others bicker about nothing….how pointless
If you want to stop a scam send Liz and her worthless family to Canada they seem to love her there..let them pay
Dutcha@#…..classy with style (NOT)! What a base human being you are. You’re exactly the perfect representative for CWS. Please, please, please keep coming back and posting here.You are explicitly what we’re all talking about and the “quality” or lack there of, over at CWS. Btw, yeah on August 25th YOU posted a verbally explicit and highly offensive video with the character Cartman from South Park. Talk about “stupid.” Did you forget what YOU posted? Geez, you’re a winner alright.
P.S. Vicky is that you?
Sorry Prince William is having a personality implant today, can you send yours please, actually no dont, I prefer him stupid, with yours attached he will be stupid and obnoxious too….ooooh are you insulted now..omg…
btw south park huh?
Well Confused, I don’t “go there” at all. The naysayers are the “members” of that horrid place. They like to come here acting all big, bad and smart, defending the deplorable acts of and thievery by Anrol Anthony. It’s totally insane.
We all know CWS is just one big scam. What I don’t understand is why you all keep going there and then complaining here.
If you all love to get robbed, please send ME the money instead and I might even give you a crown and a scepter!
“Unpleasantness?” Seriously, YOU are making that statement? Aren’t you the one who posted the vile South Park video with all the racial epitaphs? You and your posts, open yourself up to criticism and rebuttal. If you feel scolded like a child maybe that should tell you something. As for your “correction” or whatever you’re calling it, it wasn’t needed or requested. If you had actually taken the time and READ what I wrote initially, it was, “why” they left, not the manner in which they left. With regards to Nickle I bring her up from time to time (as do many others here), to continue to highlight the larger problem with CWS, money does the walking and the talking over there and fairness does not always reign supreme. You just jumped on here and wanted to act all in the know about SD and throw it out there “how” she left. Oooo good for you, you’re so important to the discussion now. You go right ahead and keep “countering” where you can….and I’ll continue to smack you down and expose how dumb you sound, pretending to be smart :)
Vicky is that you? LOL.
So if I understand you right, when you say something about someone its ok as you are highlighting an issue, so can say what you like about who you like. If I seek to correct you thats divulging info to the masses. How strange.
All I am saying is if you are going to make points then that is fine thats what this site is about. I will counter where I can and people can make up their own minds, similar in a way to the Azul thread going on.
You just have a tendancy to sweep aside the views of others with a certain degree of unpleasantness and have a cendescending manner which is unfortunate, its like writing to a know it all 20 year old student, and is annoying.
Well Dutcha@# you’re obviously at CWS and I am not! Therefore, when I choose to share what I know it’s for the bigger cause of highlighting the ills associated with CWS. When you do it, it’s divulging info not privy to the masses outside of CWS. Super complicated I know. I am glad I amuse you, I’ll keep up the good work. I think comparatively speaking I don’t need “writing” tips from you (LMAO)!!! If I ever write a book, maybe it’ll will be about sorry a@# people like you:) I didn’t ever claim I was “misread” or “misunderstood.” What I have consistently said, is most responses here speak emotionally off the cuff and without actually READING what I have posted. Then individuals like yourself, put words in my mouth I never utter or cast aspersions on me based on a complete lack of basic comprehension. Hmm, maybe that’s too complicated for you to understand so don’t hurt yourself trying. Suffice it to say, you’re completely out of your league!
LMAO, you obviously NEVER actually knew SD…wrong I know her very well.
Btw, Dutcha@# thanks for sharing SD’s personal business with the net! LOL, don’t you know anything? Like, loose lips sink ships…
You stated she left, I just cleared your statement a fact, she sent in a nc saying thanks but no thanks, not sure what is personal about that..or do we all close our eyes and put our fingers in our ears when someone says..oooh where is SD….(dont mention it,,.,,its personal business will be the overwhelming response). I notice you didnt correct me
hmmmm so what were you doing?…just using their personal business as an example of the evil CWS?…also take for example your strange rants about Nickle (who isnt the most popular person on the planet but so what)…there is nothing more personal than what she chooses to spend online or anywhere else come to think of it, yet you constantly highlight her spending habits, or maybe is this to point out someone elses evil behaviour so excuseable…double standards me thinks, or maybe your comments really only apply to your friends, and not people you dont like.
You really are amusing to read. If I didnt know better I would suspect you rp in SL as clown and a buffoon as you obviously forget and carry it on here.
A little lesson in writing, and btw good luck with your book. How others read you, is how you come across its how you are percieved. If you feel people misread you, which is a common theme with you, then maybe what you write is just a jumble of nasty mean words. However I believe in the principle of free speech and in your case I guess this is the only place you get an audience, albeit one that feels trapped in your Alice in Wonderland mind…
God I love this crowd! You’re so fun to toy with. Where did I state I was “upset?’ I am amused and fascinated at the fact the best models continue to leave CWS. I am also fascinated that it’s constantly being portrayed as amicable. LMAO, you obviously NEVER actually knew SD. No one would ever categorize her as the warm and fuzzy type. Additionally, SD was devoted to CWS for sometime and struggled to stay loyal, despite the fact she was becoming aware of the games Anrol plays. Who spends a large amount of lindens to secure a spot in the Calendar Final, writes an overly glowing acceptance speech about CWS and Anrol and then a few weeks later resigns? If any of you think that’s par for the course around there, I’d say you’re right and you should be asking why? What makes a person that disillusioned they would throw away money and leave? I like this comment the best as I think it sums up exactly what goes on around there, “I suspect and hope that she is entitled to enter into the calender pageant in January, and will no doubt do well if she does.” Really? How will that happen exactly? Unless SD were to step into the now vacant Ms. April spot (formally held by Meimei) then who is getting bumped from the pageant for SD? If SD had any intention of competing in January why would she have resigned and relinquished Ms. September? As Debbie is so fond of pointing out she could’ve pursued modeling elsewhere and remained active at CWS. Don’t be stupid and for once start using some brain cells!
As for your comments about Meimei, all I did was inquire. Hmm, jealous much? I asked about the Ms. Elegance removal because I have seen this shameful practice done before to other models and I have spelled out the details in earlier posts on this thread, but I forgot most of you talk off the cuff and do very little reading for comprehension. It’s not so much about SD and Meimei, but the bigger picture of why the best and most talented LEAVE that God forsaken place? Duh!
Btw, Dutcha@# thanks for sharing SD’s personal business with the net! LOL, don’t you know anything? Like, loose lips sink ships!
A few things
SD left on good terms and sent a nice note, and she will be missed. It is a shame as she was excited about Ms September, but it was her choice. It was also her choice to spend Linden on this event. I suspect and hope that she is entitled to enter into the calender pageant in January, and will no doubt do well if she does.
When someone writes a nc saying they are leaving with immediate effect, then unless I am mistaken it means they want to leave. When the NC says they are leaving on good terms does it mean the opposite? Its a free world.
Is Meimei so vain that she worries that her picture is no longer in CWS?..if the answer is no, then why are you so upset?..did she keep her lindens?…I think so…
If she is so upset about a few pictures then maybe she has ego issues, and I am sure there are formums online where you can both go
Well, I’d be interested to hear from them specifically, considering they were the ones who shelled out the big $$$ to participate. Are you 100% sure, “winners are fully aware of this, and they are given 24 hours to think it over.”? Huh, never heard that one before. Is this on a notecard somewhere disseminated to all the contestants? I think not. I get the reasoning behind Calendar Model and the Calendar Final, but I still can’t believe Anrol is so petty and childish to just “erase” a pageant win. Of course it’s “drama!” Are you serious? Everything having to do with that idiotic place is DRAMA!!!! Wasn’t it just weeks ago SD was going on and on in her Ms. September 2011 acceptance speech about how glorious CWS and Anrol were? Now she’s vanished from the boards? Meimei was top shelf and she too has completely disappeared. Yeah sounds like a real fun place to be…CWS real special (LOL).
If models leave Classic With Style, they lose their tag and/or title, and this includes the calender. I think most pageants are like that. However, winners are fully aware of this, and they are given 24 hours to think it over. Meimei Shui and SD Damiano must have wanted to do other things in SL or concentrate on their RL. Not a big deal, nor is it drama. People come and go in this cyber world.
Wow, more trouble in “paradise?” Hmmm, so anyone care to ring in, why any and all photos of Meimei Shiu have been removed from the CWS websites? So I take it Anrol has taken away her Ms. Elegance 2011 and Ms. April 2011 title? LMAO!!!! Fascinating. Additionally, interested in why SD Damiano was “replaced” as Ms. September 2011? Word is Pink Sparrowhawk left SL altogether she was so disgusted with this joint! They sure are dropping like flies.
P.S. before anyone attempts to call them losers, let me just say all three were/are some of the BEST models at CWS and making huge headway in SL modeling in general. It’s also so nice to see the healthy dose of extreme linden competition has resumed between Tweedledee (Nickle) and Tweedledum (Janda)! Anrol must be bathing in their galactic stupidity and gross insecurity!!!! Money, money, money!!!! Anrol’s designs (I use that term loosely) are still FUGLY as hell!!! It’s hard to imagine anyone paying to wear them and model them for her.
Once again, DebbieDoo you spin, spin, spin. You make everyone dizzy. I have constantly contented that CWS and ANROL ANTHONY are the epitome of FINANCIAL “fraud” within SL. What I said about you (reading your own words) is that if and as you continue to “defend” this/these practices and/or ignore them outright, then, yes you are “complicit” in my opinion. I call things the way I personally see it, if you don’t like it (obviously you don’t), oh well too bad. I can’t worry about your comfort level. My “mission” here on Agency Report, is to warn others to steer clear of CWS and ANROL ANTHONY! Since chatting with you is “exhausting” (I never stated anywhere here that you, “annoyed the life out of me”), from now on I’m adopting a new approach. Every time you post a comment, I in turn will continue to repost my original remarks about the tremendous financial scam being perpetrated by ANROL ANTHONY under the guise of, what did you call CWS? Oh yes, “a closed agency.” Any further commentary with you is an exercise in futility. Besides which, I can’t suffer your foolishness any longer. Peace :)
Being called a fraud more than touches a nerve it deeply insulting and upsetting, and in a public forum disgusting
Not in the least fustrated about who you are, I was in the early days but that wore off. As for your friends I would imagine they left for their own reasons, and not due to your powers of persuasion. I do know them and hold them in the highest regard and regret that they felt they did have to leave.
Have I annoyed the life out of you, going all over the place and confusing you?…Good I meant to, but it was fun.
I do actually look forward to your responses as the ones aimed at me can be very funny, not so impressed with the nasty accusations, but I have said all I want to on that
Anyway Sybil take care and say hi to Basil for me
DebbieDoo, you and your “assumptions” sound so stupid. You’re the one who continually behaves like the petulant child, jumping up and down, screaming. The minute someone says something you don’t like or touches some nerve, you lash out viciously. You have multiple personalities and have expressed nearly every single one here. There’s angry Debbie, nasty Debbie, emotional Debbie, agreeable Debbie, reasonable Debbie, charitable Debbie. Who’s next?
I laughed when I read your post. You’re trying so hard and are so frustrated you can’t figure out who I am. Your frustration that each and every assumption you’ve had hasn’t shed any light on this for you, is overflowing in your last post. I warned you to stop trying. How do you know some of my friends haven’t left? How do you know anything? You don’t and never will. Try and accept this and move on Sybil.
so let me get this right..just in case I misread you
You have never belonged to CWS, but have friends who are there
You are their self appointed saviour and know everything about everything, seem to take some pleasure out of making nasty allegations against people you dont even know, and have a high opinion of yourself.
You obviously arent listened to by your friends, because frankly if you were my friend and told me these things I would have left ages ago. Using your strange logic of guilt by association all your friends are guilty of compliance as their votes you could argue force others to increase their investments. Or is it that nobody is that worried and you are just bitter.
Maybe you are the friend we all have and dread, the one who moans and whines about everything, we all have one, and you obviously have the unenviable title of being that friend to a few.
I am glad you have been so generous to kill this thread, seriously I am in awe, well maybe not….anyway have a nice sl, and lets hope I am not unfortunate enough to meet you for a third time, as the first two occasions were so memorable I dont recall you.
DebbieDoo, you’re constant contradictions are mentally exhausting. You are like a “spin” gymnast. I have been articulate, lucid and concise regarding your “complicity.” If you are still having difficulty reading for comprehension, I can’t help you there. If you’re spending more than you’re getting back, maybe you should ask yourself what crazy organization is set up that way. If you just get a kick out of throwing away your money to line Anrol’s pockets, well how wonderful for her.
I’m so thrilled you think once again that you have figured me out. I find that highly unlikely considering I met you like twice, but regardless it really doesn’t matter. Wouldn’t change my opinion in the least little bit. Contrary to what you’re now trying to put out there, I personally have not been “hurt” by CWS, but I have seen my friends put up the money and put up with the shenanigans. There really is no point continuing any further dialogue with you.
Furthermore, I do know what castings are, I have been to enough, and am generally lucky to get selected. I dont go to anymore now as it would be wrong for me to do so They are not bad things, and when held are done for a purpose. However we dont have them…its a fact, so please you dont need to explain to me why have them.
Anyway have a great day.
Maybe I am wrong, but I take it you dont like CWS.
Its not the Debbie show at all, just like it isnt the Liscious show, we are both entitled to our views/anaonmyity, inability to spell etc..as long as what we post in here is not insulting.
I sometimes think I am wasting my time. I dont discuss funding as its getting tedious, I put my point of view across, it happens to be different to yours in relation to CWS.
As for being complicit in any scheme then this implies in some way I gain financially or ask models to spend lindens (I do the opposite actually) , when as stated before I pay in alot more than I take out, out of choice. I sponsor on average 2 models per month and purchase the huddles and poses of most models, thats my choice as I can afford it. As for poses it doesnt matter if they are mandatory or self choice, they still cost. If you are going to accuse me of being fraudulent in any way please give examples and show me proof. I do find this extremely offensive.
70/80% of my time is involved with the school, which incidentally you do praise.
The remaining time I spend announcing at the stylings or judging stylings and also weekly fashion shows, and have no intention to judge pageants, given the fact that they re at 1am UK time, and kill me. The stylings (also at 1am my time) are meant to be fun and creative, thats the point. I advise participants as you well know to style from existing inventories and not to go out of spending, use these shows to be creative with your styling and not buy some outfit from a box just because it fits a theme. If you want to spend 1000 to win 300 then I would say dont. If having a fun time is something you dont like then fine, nobody forces you to come. As for the requierment to come, well I too have a requirement to attend, and also did when I was a model, I didnt have a problem as I enjoyed it so much. Thats always been my point, if you dont enjoy then stop doing it.
Of course I will paint a nice picture of these things, as I actually like it. The same is true of your views, as I know you have been hurt. I happen not to agree with your message. We do know each other, and as far as I am aware have never had a bad moment between us. btw this isnt an attempt to weed you out, you have as much right to your views as I have to mine.
Our differences relate to funding, nothing will bring them together. People can then read what we have to say and make up their minds. I am just not sure if insulting each other has a point to it.
lol Debbie. I’m not angry at all! I’d be if for some reason, I had to pay to work. Let’s see, for real, who pays to work? RL, SL, whatever. It’s the other way around – we work to get payed. That’s just life.
I see there is a lot a incorrect information, as far as what models do and what their jobs are. Remember, a well trained model knows that our job is to showcase designers creations the best we can. It’s a win/win situation; designers need models and models need designers. In between, there are modeling agencies that must have a group of models ready to be hired and payed for their jobs. Castings are free; beauty pageants are free to enter as well. And anyone may cast, anyone.
I really can’t say more. I see that really you don’t have much experience outside the group you’re in. One of the best things for models is actually to meet people, meet designers, other models, because that’s what makes us develop, get better. And all of this is free!
Yes, people pay to be trained as models. A one time fee. Then, go out there and cast.
I just wanted to repost this because it’s what brought me here from the start and lest we all forget the truth amongst The Debbie Show:
• Nightly styling event (not held every night of every month) = $1000 payout total to 1st, 2nd & 3rd Place winners (who btw spent way more than that on their outfits to even compete).
• The University, actually in all fairness the best bargain. This is one of the cheaper tuitions out there in SL and the instruction is very good. The curriculum is top notch and very competitive (the only value and benefit to models at CWS).
• The magazine cover if there are actual monetary winnings they’re insignificant, but hey you get to be on the cover of their magazine that no one else outside of CWS ever reads or looks at. You get to be featured in their monthly video also a “big whoop!”
DebbieDoo, I understand you’re responding to Queen, but I am responding to things you said. You are grossly misrepresenting “castings.” It’s OPEN to all models new, novice, seasoned and older. You make it seem like each individual agency or organization sits around and cast models all day. That’s just not true and you know it. This is the biggest problem I have with you. You are either very misinformed and trying to sound knowlegable for the sake of argument or it’s purposeful to continue to do the misinforming. Castings are an integral part of “real” modeling in SL. The newer models learn the ropes, interact with the TOP MODELS in SL and get to acquaint themselves with what “real” judges and the TOP DESIGNERS are looking for. Regardless, of your constant spin, CWS is a quirky, bizarre and a freaky bubble. The styling events are cartoonish with a carnival-esque atmosphere. CWS models will NEVER gain the proper experience or knowledge (castings, styling, etc..) to elevate themselves to the level of say BlackBarbie Bravin. Now, perhaps some will never make it that far or have no desire to enter “real” SL modeling. That’s fine and I am sure like you pointed out there are numerous other positions in the industry that need individuals with a passion for fashion.
You say CWS is a “closed agency” but isn’t that a stretch?
a : the office or function of an agent b : the relationship between a principal and that person’s agent
: the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power : operation
: a person or thing through which power is exerted or an end is achieved : instrumentality
: an establishment engaged in doing business for another
: an administrative division (as of a government)
Now, which one of these applies? I think it’s important if you’re going to come here and defend CWS, you’re crystal clear about what they are and they’re functionality and contribution with regards to SL modeling.
As for your very detailed synopsis on RL modeling, it’s not that complicated. Models in general sign with an agency or multiple agencies, depending on the contracts. Those agents send them on castings for print work and fashion shows. The models are then paid. Of course the agent and agencies get a cut (duh). The operative idea here is the models GET PAID!!!! I think they’d rather give a percentage away to their agents and still have money from their work, then nothing at all. Now imagine if modeling in RL was like CWS. Imagine models working in shows or “styling events” (which models rarely to never do in RL) and weren’t paid in anything but a free outfit. Imagine they in turn had to pay to model. There would be no modeling industry at all, because the very thought is absurd!
Curious, you say you’re no good at modeling, “As a SL model I am hopeless, I dont care its not a career to me, I have one in RL, but as a trainer I do know my stuff and have been pretty successful in developing some fantastic talent.” Please explain because this sounds like an oxymoron to me. So what do you teach if it’s not “modeling?”
People come to SL to live out a dream, but not to be duped, fleeced and cheated. You may not want to talk about the “funding,” but that’s the heart of most arguments here. CWS is no paradise like you would have people believe. It’s unfortunate, “CWS is not my business, I have no say how its run thats just the way it is.” Maybe that’s true, but you do have a “choice” on whether or not to be complicit in something fraudulent and harmful to others. Like you stated we could argue all day about CWS/Anrol and her underhanded business practices. Once again let the readers decide.
In RL professional models employ agents, who are paid a commission by the model for arranging them work/castings. So if things were to be like RL we will have a whole new breed, crawling about the place demanding their 15%.
In RL top models tend to be retained by fashion houses or cosmetics companies which in turn can be closed to all but the very top. If thats the glorious world you want to operate in then fine and I wish you every success.
in RL models tend to stick to strict diets and excercise programs and oddly dont change their skins or shapes at a click of a button, I wonder how many SL models sit and eat choccy when they are on the runway or bounce a baby on their knee…I suspect lots so lets keep things in perspective. Most models dont care about the SL economy they are here because they can live a dream that eludes them in RL.
My world is about teaching new models the basics of the art form in SL and giving them the first stepping stone to bigger and better things. That is what CWS school is about, and that is why I work as a trainer.
I am not being drawn into the funding thing, we have been there and it just goes ping pong and is tedious.
Not sure what has got you so angry, for someone who has never heard of us you sure seem annoyed.
I hate to sound disrespectful, but I was talking schools, they arent free to enter anywhere. Maybe they should be in your mind, but how on earth would you fund anything.
I thought I said other agencies do castings and when you are a errrmmm professional SL model you get used to them, that is how things operate, but not us. CWS is not my business, I have no say how its run thats just the way it is.
CWS as I stated are a closed agency with only active models allowed in fashion shows, and therefore dont do casting, thats a fact, I dont care about other agencies I dont belong to any, and never want to. As a SL model I am hopeless, I dont care its not a career to me, I have one in RL, but as a trainer I do know my stuff and have been pretty successful in developing some fantastic talent.
We do one show a week, and I sure as hell am not going to spend hours of my time in SL watching castings every week ( I would sooner watch paint dry). Are you saying we should throw open the doors and only models available for castings allowed in? so new models get no chance..sorry never going to happen..that really isnt what the CWS I love is about. If I wanted it different I would go to another agency, and that will not happen. People have a simple choice, come or dont.
Maybe you and Phil should open an agency you get given cash by the taxpayers and dont do anything in return so lets have some back…
Please dont send me to the tower its only a forum I am not planning a revolution (yet!!)….
Amen Queen, Amen!!!
The most important thing here is this: in the fashion industry, in SL, models don’t pay to join a reputable model agency. Period.
This is the bottom line. Castings are free. Joining agencies is free. Models get payed to work, not the other way around.
If models are asked to pay to be in an agency, then, the entire economy that surrounds these activities is upside down.
The very first idea of being a professional model in SL is to actually portray the same business as in rl.
It’s just outrageous for me to think that “castings are out of the question” in modeling world, Debbie. That’s what models do, all their lives. Cast. Cast. Cast. One after another, for free! And if they get casted, they are payed, because model agencies support themselves with their own activities, related to designers, sponsors, etc. It’s an entire economy based on everything that includes fashion, starting with the designers themselves. Model agencies are hired by designers to put up a show, to showcase their collections. That’s how it’s done. Models don’t pay. They are payed to work.
It makes absolutely no sense that a model working professionally – even in SL – must have to pay to work. No! This is not how it’s done.
thanks and I have no intention to respond to all your comments, as this is an open forum and its up to readers to make up their mind on what they want to do, not for me to start disagreeing with you, that as we know, helps nobody.
I stand by my point that models should visit agencies with schools, question members and grill trainers. Also to read contributions in this forum and then make their own mind up one way or the other.
Where I can try and give readers some assurance relates to models who wish maybe to explore alternatives within SL but worry that their membership may be at risk if they do so. If you are worried about approaching Anrol, then come direct to me. My advice is simple, its a free world, you pay the same membership to belong to SL as we all do, and you are free to do as you wish. Dont ask for permission to do things, just tell us that what you are doing, and then only if you want to. I would have a big problem if models were penalised simply because they want to attend another school
Wether its right or wrong there is an expectation that models do attend at least one or two stylings a week to be be considered active for shows. This is the rule, as is the requirement to attend training sessions too for the following weekends show. I dont think attending training for a show is wrong. For me the stylings were great fun once I was used to them. As we have over 50 active models then provided selection for shows is fair, then I am not sure how else to select, unless a model is seen as active. Suggestions would be appreciated, but casting is 100% out of the equation.
DebbieDoo, it was nice to see you acknowledging other institutions and I think you made excellent points. I have contended all along the “training” portion of CWS is decent and does teach very inexperienced people the basics on modeling. Here’s where I take issue:
1. There are loads and loads of poses CWS model trainees have to purchase (Anrol making more money off of them in addition to the $7K tuition) Why can’t Anrol include them with the tuition? Is she that greedy? The initial $7K is a lot for some people and MANY are not getting the scholarship. To then insist they can’t graduate without these poses and formations is so wrong. It’s a fact, this is not going on anywhere else or at any other school! Matter of fact, that method of modeling is jaded and even old fashioned by SL modeling standards.
2. Anrol keeps building more and more runways and all the additional formations have become gratuitous. It’s completely over the top and no other academy or school does this. Once again, this form of modeling is very outdated. All other institutions encourage more creativity and personal posing choice.
3. The stylings whether for students or CWS models should be “optional” and not a mandatory amount per month. It is not uniformly enforced across the board. There are models who are pressured to keep up with the styling event schedule and others where it’s never mentioned. You know there are models there who practically never show up for that stuff and never do fashion shows. I think models should dictate their own level of participation, but again it’s a blatant double standard.
4. Styling should be integrated into the lesson and the various industry styles explained. The styling events themselves and throwing them right in or encouraging this level of participation is very intimidating. Most tp out and say they’re not ready. That’s really a very bad practice. This does not inspire confidence.
5. The model trainees are not “encouraged” to seek out other opportunities elsewhere in SL and often do it in secret. Anrol gets very jealous and petty when she finds out a model has done so.
6. Either before or shortly after graduation Anrol “buddies up” to them and starts putting the moves on them. This is a critical time when she really works her magic and makes them feel like she has selected them personally for success (in CWS). They almost feel sorry letting her down if they don’t try for the Cover Model contest, a pageant position or calendar month. All money to Anrol. What a shame :(
Lucious and Queen
if you set aside our differences on pageants at CWS and how they are funded, I found your contributions informative. Queen obviously I cant comment on your personal experiences on not knowing of CWS,but what I would like to do is explain in this forum my own opinions on the modelling offerings available in this amazing place that is SL. I will stay away from pageants, but look at fashion shows, castings and to begin with schools. At the same time I have no intention of making this a cheap and tacky spamming session for CWS.
For me the best school in SL for modelling is Maniera, followed closely by Avenue. I have been to Maniera and can speak from personal experience that lessons with Topaz are simply incredible, and although there are only one or two lessons a week, you count the days between them.
I have not been to Avenue but know from my first mentor in SL Sylvia Warden just how good they are. She was an amazing model, and was one of their models. I have also seen models come into CWS from Avenue or indeed go the other way, and those models are truly a class apart.
So why dont I rate CWS in the same class as these two. Simple, because CWS classes are aimed at the entry level model, be they new to SL or experienced in SL but not modelling. I am often approached by potential models and asked about entry into our school. My advice to all is the same. Here is a nc, come to our stylings see if you like what we are about for a few weeks and then make up your mind. Of course I advertise in group if there are spaces available, that is part of my job. However I also look at the profile of a model. If she has been to Maniera or Avenue or similar, my advice to her is very different. Naturaly I would love for her to be in our shows, but these are closed to non CWS models, and I have an issue with asking for 7000 lindens from a model to attend a school where she may learn one or two new things, and simply move on. I would sooner have a new model in her seat than waste her time (btw I say her but there are men, ts just a habit)
My lessons I would hope are informative, and yes fun too, I do issue class notes but do not do a copy and paste session, and will also voice. However I am not teaching advanced techniques, that isnt my purpose. My aim is to get models to a level where they can take part in our shows, but just as important, that they gain experince so when they are ready they can go to Maniera or Avenue or similar places and benefit vastly from what they have to offer.
Wether its a good or a bad thing isnt for me to decide, but our fashion shows are only open to CWS models (ie only those who have graduated from our school). Many of the shows are for the top designers in SL. Our formations do include what we call mandatory poses and much of the posing is syncornised within huddles. I feel that it would be so much better if we could syncronise in a different way (ie not on a huddles) but use cam skills and walking skills and sync poses with timing. However as many of our models are literaly fresh out of school, they are inexperienced and this is a way of ensuring the on stage choreaography is good, but at the same time the new model can do her thing with confidence
To qualify for a show a model is expected to attend at least one styling show training a week. This training requirement would be the same for shows where entry is by casting. As a trainer I have to be 100% sure that the model is ready. We do ask that models attend at least one styling event a week. This is simply to ensure that she is still active as a CWS model. I cannot comment on some of the negative experiences some models have had with this, and very much regret it as without exception the models involved are amazing and lovely people, and I miss being in shows with them..To avoid in future I do ask models to speak to me if they are having issues, I can then speak to Anrol on their behalf.
Shows at places like Avenue and others run by Maniera or magazines such as Maniera issue are of the highest quality. They demand the best models. Part of being a top model in SL is you have to go to castings, and have to show your quality. There is no difference between this and RL. At Maniera I learnt something that seems to escape many models in SL. If you go to a fashion show or read a magazine and notice the model and not what she is wearing, then she has failed. I also look at the models styling, specificaly I look for necklaces, if she has one one and it isnt a jewlery show then I worry. Look in any RL magazine or watch any rl show, models do not generally wear necklaces or much jewlery, these things distract form what she is wearing. The first thing I do when I look at the high end in world magazines is gasp at the outfit the model is wearing for example, I will then look to see who that model is. The best models have a way of always looking the same even when they look different if that makes sense (ie you know who she is. Candylicious Forster is a great example of this). I will know that she has maybe spent hour after hour styling, and will have been selected following a grueling casting, where her styling and posing and everything will have been scrutinised. We dont do that at CWS we arent in the same market.
You will see top models at CWS, as in most instances it is where they started and in a way is their home. Sadly we do lose models as they blossom and see their future develping in differnent directions for whatever reason and good luck to them.
Shop around. Dont go to agency owners and ask for advice on joining their school, you will only get one answer whoever they are! Look at their groups, IM existing models for their opinions. IM at least 3 from each agency to get a balanced view. IM the trainers and give them a tough time asking about what they teach and how they teach. Dont just take their answers for granted as you may just be getting the company line, arrange to meet them. A good trainer will be loyal to their employers, but their first concern is for the models they care for, so if they make time for you, then that is indeed a good start.
Dont dont dont pay for classes without doing these things. Spend time thinking, go to events at the agency too, get a feel for the place.
Join online modelling groups like the models workshop, do some research and above all, enjoy your modelling and good luck in whatever you decide.
Awesome comment Queen. I couldn’t agree with you more! I get what you’re saying about this blog, but this is the Classic with Style page and I post here in case there are any noobs or novices that are shopping around for the best place to start a career in modeling and sustain a long and fulfilling career. CWS is not such a place. It’s a total racquet for making money, at the enormous expense of the participants. Once they discover this and realize the contests are rigged, they exit but have wasted so much quality time and have lower self esteems. It’s so tragic. You make excellent points and have reiterated everything I have said about modeling outside of this shameful place.
I’m a bit tired to come here and read all about CWS, no matter if it’s good or bad.
Just wanted you guys all to know that, in terms of SL Fashion, the best designers and models work for REAL model agencies in SL. I’ve been modeling for quite some time and believe me, most of us who work steadily in the fashion industry in SL , we don’t even know what CWS is.
I just read it here. Inworld, in my daily work as a professional model, I had never heard of CWS and the same thing happens to most of professional models. Let’s be clear about this? You guys scroll down the list of model agencies here, on the right.
I took some time to go through CWS channel on youtube and please, a group of women dancing can’t be considered exactly modeling.
Take a look at the best fashion magazines inworld, look at the layout quality, the photo quality, the models. I’m talking about Modavia Fashion Directory, Avenue Magazine just to name the best. And guess what?
It won’t cost you a penny to go to Modavia castings and to Avenue castings, Plus, you’ll get payed, if you model in the magazines. You know what it takes? Quality in all you do, styling yourself and be a professional model inworld. (let’s not go around the “it’s not real” thing, I play SL for real, and it’s me behind the keyboards, so it’s real for me).
Honestly, guys, CWS??? What is CWS in SL fashion industry (oh yes, it’s a business, serious one for those of us who work for quality and transparency)?
If there are new models reading this, go after quality, forget about beauty pageants, especially if you have to pay to enter. You will have to pay to have proper training. Look for the best, if you want to thrive, of course.
Now you’re probably thinking – yeah, to be casted at model agencies in SL like Avenue or Modavia, isn’t easy. Of course not! You don’t pay your way up, you have to be good in what you do. Here’s a challenge for you guys; there are castings coming up for Avenue and Modavia. The names of CWS “model trainers” that you referred here? Cast! You won’t have to pay. It’s free! Just cast. And then we talk about quality!
And if you get this level of drama? Step out! It’s the clue to look for something really professional in SL.
DebbieDoo, no one is saying models shouldn’t be free from any cost as a result of participating in contests, pageants and fashion shows. I like a lot of your ideas and for the most part, they make great sense. Have you ever posed these same ideas to Anrol? I doubt it and if you have I’d put money on the fact you were probably shut down. Obviously, if a model chooses to enter a photo contest or pageant she accepts a certain and reasonable cost will be his/hers. I have never heard a model in or out of CWS complain about purchasing their outfits, accessories and anything additional to supplement their overall presentation. Additionally, I think most would accept paying a small fee to enter. I also don’t think anyone believes the prize money is going to magically appear. That said, and it’s actually been said numerous times on this thread, there are many other ways to drum up that money, without fleecing the models and ultimately expecting them to pay for their own prize money. That’s insane. You know full well the amounts being posted on those CWS boards to make the Top 10 is astronomical and more times than not, way more than any of them stand to actually win. It’s such a gross amount that one wonders, “Hmmm, where’s it all going?” You can’t tell me that all of those runways, stages and space Anrol is paying for and continually adding to are really necessary. It’s completely over the top and we both know it’s being funded by models. Once again, I personally broke down all the pay to participate schemes Anrol has set up. You know they’re increasing exponentially as well. Nearly everyday notices and IMs are going out “encouraging” participation in one thing or another and all out of pocket. If you actually went back and read some of the examples I provided as far as other agencies and organizations, how they manage such contests and pageants and the non-over the top space they occupy, you might realize we’re saying the same things. I would encourage you to check out and research how Passion Fashion Agency operates and sponsors they’re styling competitions. They are working with the top fashion designers in the industry. I know you’re not a fan of Frolic Mills, but you should actually investigate how MVW and Blvd. are actually run and how their business is conducted. No one is saying they are exactly the same but their business models are the gold standard and this is why they are so highly respected. Do you dispute that having CWS in your profile or picks is detrimental to models working outside of CWS in SL modeling? You can’t call it jealousy, because that’s like saying the giant is jealous of the ant. You have made it seem like only CWS provides universal opportunities to all. That’s simply not true. Many other agencies and organizations have wonderful trainers and will bend over backwards to help those willing to learn. Here’s the kicker, they do not fleece or exploit their trainees or models. There’s no crazy rules on participating in certain numbers of activities or intimidation. If you want to participate or work you can. If other things come up, they don’t throw you out, ban you from the group and SIM or take all of your pictures down.
Like I said, you have some great ideas and once upon a time you were the pinnacle of honesty and clarity. It seems you have become so clouded defending something that is so beneath you and your kindness, it’s just plain sad. I have always thought your talents would be better utilized at another place worthy of you. You’re too good to be behaving like you have. You’re better than this and better than what Anrol deserves. Perhaps someday you’ll start your own modeling school and gain the respect you deserve.
If you agree to this we will need to move the posts to another part of this forum, as this is nothing to do with CWS. Maybe in the general comments/news section would be the right place
Scam like I said debate is over I am not going to cover old ground its getting tedious, and we annoy the hell out of each other.
To kick off another debate where we can discuss things without resorting to arguing or disagreeing I have some ideas, that I would enjoy working through with you in this forum, and get others involved too.
Should pageants be held without any form of contribution? absolutely yes.
Should pageants be held independantly of existing agancies? too right
In my view it would be great if Agency owners between them sponsored free to enter quarterly pageants. That entry into them is on a first come first serve basis (or something similar), with contestants limited to 1 place every six months. That existing winners of any pageants within the agencies being excluded
Also the pageants must not be seen as yet another agency competing with existing organisations.
Therefore management of each quartely pageant must be by 1 trainer from each contributing agency. That absolutely no lindens are transacted and at least 1 member of the organising team must be independant and tasked with ensuring 100% transapency. Also the team rotates quarterly again ensuring fairness.
Judges to be independant, and where they know any contestant then that judge must withdraw and replaced.
Also contestants supplied with outfits and jewlery etc that they can then style.
A limit on any further spend on hair etc is also to be limited to a maximum of say 500 lindens. Contestants will also be given a folder of poses and AO/Huddle which they will be expected to sequence as best as they can.
This will ensure that contestants are treated equally and not win based on the lindens they can throw at things.
Each agency owner must then guarantee the top 3 winners a free place at their school (or a donation to purchase clothes or pay a rental on a home for 3 months etc if their rl means that school attendance is difficult) and all other contestants given free training/outfits. That prior to the pageant the trainers provide free training in their own time for the contestants,
Indeed I have already done this myself in the Arab sim, and the top 3 I sponsored through CWS. A pity none of the winners turned up.
Just some ideas, maybe you have some of your own.
DebbieDoo, this goes to the root of the problem between you and me, besides our obvious differences over CWS. You just say things off the cuff and then have to back peddle or retract them. So I find I’m constantly repeating myself specifically to you. As I said, I stand by EVERYTHING and EVERY post here on this thread that has the ID “ScamAlertLicious.” I NEVER said someone else was using my ID and posting things that did not come from me. As you have just pointed you often speak from emotion, as do I. We both feel passionately about our positions. That said, I fully read each post and make sure not to take them out of context or misquote. You seem to not be reading for comprehension. I’m a little stunned in your memory those “rape” comments were made under my ID. They weren’t! If you page down you’ll see someone jumped on here under “Anonymous.” Clearly reading their post and reading mine, we are two different people. Two totally different ways of expressing ourselves and so forth. I have total anonymity here regardless. If I wanted to say those things I could’ve and didn’t need to make a separate post under “Anonymous.” Think what you want, but once again I didn’t even know about that situation and I already went over it previously. Nickle knows who she confided in, I would start there. I’m not sure what you wanted me “to do” about it. Your opinion of me is inconsequential. There is enormous dislike for Nickle and it all can’t be jealousy. She hasn’t achieved enough for this much animosity, based on jealousy. You refuse to identify there are traits and behaviors that have rubbed people the wrong way. You also know from your time in SL and CWS people lie. They claim to have cancer, horrible RLs, abuse and a whole host of things affecting their ability to even function normally in world. Unfortunately, there will always be skepticism, but couple that with an individual who is obnoxious and people begin to wonder about their overall credibility. I am not putting myself in the middle of what others think about Nickle. I express what I think.
“it contains the rape comment, the one you owned and dont regret making and then contradicting yourself claimed not to own.
What is even more disgusting is you even blame Anrol for this.
I dont appreciate being called the other idiot either.
Well DebbieDoo, this is what I mean when I stated you make assumptions with little to no proof and false accusations. Clearly if I wanted to say something about rape I wouldn’t need to say it separately. LOL, why? What would be the point? To protect the ID, “ScamAlertLicious?” Now that’s paranoid. I’m already anonymous, despite your best attempts to ferret me out. Once again, I bet you’ll find out, upon further investigation Nickle told Anrol. Question is how many others did she tell? If she only told two or three people and Anrol is one of them….Hmmm, maybe, just maybe your hero worship of this woman isn’t deserved.
With regards to the “idiot” comment if you read closely and for comprehension I say “if you” this or “if you” that, then “you are” in my opinion. I stand by that. You are a person of authority and of influence over at CWS. You say you love SL, care about people and believe in making “dreams come true.” What I find disgusting is you believe that comes at enormous cost to the participant. Despite your charitable efforts, Anrol fleeces the hell out these models and it’s wrong. You can paint it different colors and make it sound like rainbows and flowers but at the end of the day it’s despicable. You are a part of that scheme and every time you defend it, you make yourself more guilty.
btw read Spot the difference Says:
August 25, 2011 at 6:25 pm , it contains the rape comment, the one you owned and dont regret making and then contradicting yourself claimed not to own.
What is even more disgusting is you even blame Anrol for this.
the point of this site is for models, owners of agencies or anyone else to discuss the merits or otherwise of schools / agencies to enable people to make sound judgements on the places being written about. To a point that is what we have been doing. You and your friends who read your posts claim that CWS is a scam and want it shut down I think, I have been doing nothing more than responding, however you are correct it is pointless carrying this on.
As a representative of an agency I have been doing my best to defend the people who have made my time in SL a wonderful one. Its not a case of winning or losing an argument, far from it. I have apologised for any silly comments I have made in here and regret making them, they were made emotionally when maybe I should have let my head rule my emotions.
I have read spots comments and wished I had spotted these things myself (pun intened) and am frankly disgusted with you.
If posts were made by someone using the same id as you then why did you not refute what they said at the time? I think the truth is, that you made all these comments. I know if someone had posted something as venomous in my name, then I would have distanced myself immediately. Doing nothing means it was you. You should be ashamed of yourself. No wiggling or clever comments can make a difference its too late. This debate from my point of view is over, I dont see the need to defend anything from you.
Yes the cartoon post was not pleasant, but your rape get over it jibe was extremely offensive and it was beyond contempt..
I have no interest in discovering who you are and am asking you now openly not to email me.
Additionally, Spot the difference if you think that video is merely, “a few rude words.” well then that says a lot about you and your character. It was a diatribe of filth and racial slurs. If you’re ok with that then you’re a deplorable person like that other idiot. I think you’re the same person! Own it!
DebbieDoo, it’s pointless to engage you because you keep making this about YOU. For the one millionth time, it’s about Anrol Anthony and her fraudulent financial practices at CWS. Let the readers decide for themselves who’s more credible.
Spot the difference, I own it! I take back nothing and stand by everything. However, you’re wrong I NEVER posted that stuff about “rape.” I didn’t even know about that. The credit cards yes, Nickle’s behavior, yes, but that other information was news to me. I think it begs the question who did know it? Maybe you should start there? I have inquired since that was posted and what I’m hearing, is, it was told to Anrol in confidence and she repeated it to others. Not sure if that’s true, wouldn’t surprise me because I believe Anrol is soulless and selfish. I would say ask Nickle who knew about her own personal business? My statements are not contradictory, they clarify my position. If you don’t like it, simple don’t read.
and you were rapped really get over it
Classy! This video posting and it’s completely offensive nature is a perfect example of the trashy low end models over at CWS. Another brilliant post!
Which is more offensive, being told to get over being raped, or a few rude words on a silly cartoon posting. Answers to ScamAlert please, she wrote them both
)? So what Nickle GRADUATED from MVW. And? Has she been hired by Blvd. or any other reputable agency? Never going to happen and everyone knows it. Her attitude is crap and so is her overall presentation. She’s over at LUSH? That brings a hearty laugh to my chest. Nickle is going to have to cheat on that homework. Wonder who she’ll get to do her styling for her.
Oh and Nickle that spoiled bitch throws fits if she doesnt get her way acts like its is all about her she is way too full of herself, maybe it should be called Nickles ageancy or something. I never have seen a AV so ugly and they think they are the best. Well wake up SL take second look around. Run like hell. And Nickle needs to grow up no one cares about your poor life where your parents took your credit cards away and you were rapped really get over it people feel sorry for you , your a bad model you suck at it. CWS makes off Nickle alone about 600 $ not lindins for every pageant she is in. think about it
You’ve become a SL thug and that’s all you’re really doing here.
Was statement 3 written by the same person who wrote 1 and 2?. Hint ..if you say no you would be wrong
I think this individual has anger issues.
Its question and answer time..
perfect example of the trashy low end models over at CWS.”
The “trashy low end” loser who posted the vile video IS representative of some of what you have over at CWS.
Is there a difference between these two comments. If so which one is the back tracking question?
Case in point, if Nickle Sparrowtree wants to run up her parents credit cards and spend thousands of dollars on Second Life (MMRPG) that’s entirely up to her
Repeatedly you throw around models names on this blog. Have you checked with them and intimidated them enough to ascertain if they approve of you bringing their names into this controversy you have created?
Is this double standards and does the following apply ?…If you are my friend nobody can talk about you, but if I dont like you I can type about you as I please
btw I just received and email from someone wanting a date, I hope that is wasnt you scam, I know we arent best of friends right now, but gosh its never going to improve that much, gosh my heart,,,:)
Stating, you never received a service for your cash. Additionally, you were NEVER offered or received a refund.
Now who is re writing history?
You can send copies of what you want to who you want. You are the last person on earth whom I would ask for help from
I entered into an arms length transaction of my own free will. I knew when I agreed to enter that if I became a trainer my involvement in the competion would cease.
I also accepted that monies invested by me would stay within the competition pot and go towards the winner. This is also true of all people on the board who do not finish in the top 10. I NEVER asked for or WANTED a refund
This is not too disimilar to a betting transaction. There was no service to receive. It was a bet that my investment would land me in the top 10 I pulled out of the competition and did not want my money refunded. No wrong took place, there is no party claiming any wrondoing.
It is a bit like going to a lottery outlet placing my bet, and in the middle of the draw saying oooh I might lose I want out give me a refund. That is what the boards are, so how can that be a scam, its like the lottery.
As for counting votes and allocating top 10, then of course this must be open to scrutiny. The same is true for judges scores in competitions.
Scam wow !!!!
Cant respond to your googling on the latest post it made me go cross eyed.
I am sure all those things are needed, what can I say, i hate scamming and fraud as much as you do. I just state that it isnt true at CWS and you say it is. We could have a yes it is no it isnt argument for all time I am not asking you to change your point of view, all I am doing is asking if you use the name of an individual model ridiculing her then please dont, and no I am no way a fan, but its wrong. I dont re write history I merely correct your version of it and people can then decide who to believe in a measured and reasonable way. We have both gone way over the top on more than once occasion, the difference is, that I admit it.
Scam the company was H&S and I was funding them 100% at an arms length for their building to give the owner a start. To my horror she was employing models and she had no financial means and subsequently failed to pay them. btw I was not even in the group I merely gave her 15000 a month,
As for advising models yep its true, I ask them to let Anrol know about them going to other agencies prior to them going, not seeking permission to go, but just to ensure that there are no misunderstandings down the line, between them and Anrol. Its SL people can do as they please, if it was any other way I would leave in a breathe. I advise models openly to go Maniera for example to expand their horizons. If you take this as me intimidating then ask was it me who IMd them or the other way round with the models in question asking for advice. It has happened on maybe 6 or 7 times.
I could ask you to confirm to me that you have been sent IM between me and other models and pass these between each other. however I will not. Not sure what the SL terms and conditions are regarding IM conversations.
However I have never bullied or intimidated one single model and you know that, I couldnt initimidate my way out of a paper bag.
My witch hunt at CWS and beyond? what on earth..these are the places I go in SL
UCWS (teaching 70% of my online time)
CWS for fashion shows and tues and weds night stylings
Franks elite jazz….so untless franks is full of models not sure what I am hunting
As for Lua I have if I recall boosted her so she could appear on video, and have done the same for at least 4 other models…I dont see that as bullying or intimidating. However for my own reasons I will never boost onto calender.
Trying to make me look bad and nasty is maybe a distraction from what you really are doing. You will notice my posts are usually responses..I dont recall calling you an a hole a thug a cheat etc..things you regulary call me.
You also know my sense of humour so alot of comments about other agencies were tongue in cheek and you know that.
As for the post about the model having a crown removed given the models personal circumstances what do you want me to say? How can I possibly comment If she is who I think she is, then you know how much I supported her at the time that she won and would do so again as I dont regret it. She had been cheated by a designer and was receiving unreasonable abuse from other models and I supported her. I believe this was the same model who I drove during a styling with us both laughing so much, not as a cheat but because it was fun as there were no lindens at stake. Whatever happened is regretable.
This also explains your anger, but really directing it at me is wrong. I have offered over and over to IM with you inworld and your responses got nastier and nastier, as did my responses and this has now got out of hand. The offer is still there. You can also email me anytime. firstname.lastname@example.org
DebbieDoo, thanks for nothing. Typical. No one expects you to respond differently. You have already illuminated and highlighted the problems over at CWS, more than I ever could and I am so grateful you posted that you spent and gave money to Anrol. Stating, you never received a service for your cash. Additionally, you were NEVER offered or received a refund. Brilliant!
Answer a simple question with a simple answer?
FYI to those who want to see Anrol Anthony and CWS shut down. Apparently, there are some regulations and prosecutions of other SL scams coming down the pike. Don’t expect it to be immediate, as this is a whole new arena for law enforcement to wrap it’s head around. That said, Google “Second Life Scams.” There are some pretty eye-opening articles involving SL financial scams. Here are some very telling quotes I found:
“Linden Labs said, ‘The company has now taken steps to identify and suspend accounts where large Linden transfers and cash-outs are taking place–activity that could point to fraud.'”
“Ben Duranske founded the Second Life Bar Association, an in-world community of real-world legal professionals and scholars, to explore questions of technology and the law.”
“Cornell’s Robert Bloomfield says. “We just have to sort out what the best practices are, and the best practices involve a lot of transparency.” Linden Labs creator Yoon, meanwhile, says he wouldn’t be surprised if law enforcement was gearing up to prosecute some form of misdeed within virtual worlds, whether a financial scam or virtual pedophilia. “I have no doubt that that is going to be something that people are interested in looking into,” he says. “It’s not any different than Internet chat rooms as a collaboration medium. There are guys whose police beat it is to hang around in an Internet chat room, and to chase spam, and prevent those scams. I don’t see why they wouldn’t do this in virtual worlds.'”
It’s just a matter of time….*tick tock* I have already forward the link to this blog to Ben and he is looking into the legality of what Anrol is doing. Additionally, I will be firing off several letters to other officials and Better Business groups. I think the statement that stood out the most was the reference to “transparency.” This rule applies in RL and SL. Those businesses and organizations who transact large amounts of money have a responsibility, if they are legitimate and upstanding, to be completely transparent. No secret voting, no hidden totals, etc… You all know what I mean. Most of you understand how Anrol is the exact opposite of “transparent.” This is a huge red flag. Good things are coming, it just won’t happen over night :)
DebbieDoo, you should run for public office or seek out a job in politics. No one can ever say you don’t know how to spin an issue and misdirect the conversation. As I pointed out, you have an amazing ability to rewrite history and bizarre perspective on the facts. Anyone who really takes the time out to read ALL of your posts here, will see you contradict yourself, you have hurled your fair share of insults and have reversed your position on “other agencies.” I dare you to write here (a lie) that you have NEVER IM-ed a model and indirectly threatened them about working simultaneously with other SL modeling agencies. I dare you to write here that you have NEVER IM-ed a model and told them they have to “ask permission from Anrol” before doing any model work outside of CWS. If you’re that callous and can lie, then you ARE truly a lost soul.
From the beginning and the lion share of comments take issue specifically with ANROL ANTHONY and the fraudulent business practices she employs behind the masthead CWS. YOU and you alone have made this page The Debbie Show. I find it utterly deplorable you paint yourself as this great philanthropist, helping the needy realize their dreams! You sicken me. There are so many other modeling contests, agencies and organizations that DO NOT require individuals to put up money to participate and have their “dreams come true.” No one accused YOU of scamming or taking anyone’s money. You have been accused of being complicit in Anrol’s scheme. There is a difference! I nor any of the other people who take acception with CWS would ever make fun of or ridicule someone with special needs. You’re the one with anger issues as witnessed by your recent witch hunt over at CWS and beyond. You have viciously attacked and falsely accused people via in world IM. You threaten people and have them banned based on false assumption. You’ve become a SL thug and that’s all you’re really doing here.
Absolutely, I stand by my earlier statement. The “trashy low end” loser who posted the vile video IS representative of some of what you have over at CWS. Repeatedly you throw around models names on this blog. Have you checked with them and intimidated them enough to ascertain if they approve of you bringing their names into this controversy you have created?
Once again DebbieDoo, no one is telling you how to waste your money. It’s your life. I don’t think anyone will sit back and say, “Wow you are just so generous.” It’s just plain stupidity. If Anrol ran CWS like the other TRANSPARENT and reputable organizations there would be no need for your constant “donations.” It’s all part of sucking them in and the spamming the crap out of them to pay to be part of this and pay to be part of that.
BTW….ask Lua how much she would’ve enjoyed being a calendar model but could never “afford” it. I would venture to say she’s not alone. Sounds super neat, really making dreams come true. You mean if you spend enough money! More like a nightmare! So DebbieDoo what do YOU call it when a model spends money in good faith, wins a crown and then wants to commit more time to her relationship and her budding business. She’s given an ultimatum by Anrol to start showing up at fashion events or else. Then when she politely says she cannot, angry petty Anrol removes any evidence of her valid crown win, as if she never existed? What do you call that? Are those those fair play rules you were speaking of?
not sure what your point is btw
Is it because you feel CWS is a scam or that the models there are trashy and low end
If thats the case why are you so worried about them?
You obviously dont like them….like I said, your true colours
Let me go through a little list who you say are trashy..chloe (maniera and avenue)..Flora (a great model and distinguished lady and friends of some of sl top designers and with so may agencies its silly)..Lua (MVW, Maniera and the list is endless)…SD (Maniera and a role model)…it goes on
I am looking forward to your response as you said it….
Here are your words “perfect example of the trashy low end models over at CWS.”
Over at CWS hmmm a strange use of grammar. To me this means you are with another agency and merely wish people to join you there. this is nothing more than that….
Maybe you are a trainer….you should advertise something like…”Models of SL..if you are a rounded decent person come and join me at xyz agency, in no time I can turn you into a bitter, self centered nasty person….blah blah…
I am still sure you are Charlie Sheen btw
Yes that was a bit offensive.
Scam you did show your true colours calling CWS models trashy, I am sure SD, Lua, Diana, Mesange, Shreeja and dozens more would appreciate that.
Why not IM them directly and tell them that. in fact dont worry I did it for you,
The strange thing about Scam is her unwillingness to talk to me in IM. I am open in here, and understand your reluctance to be so opne as I know for sure just how many genuine friendships you will lose, and maybe that includes me.
The few friendships I have lost as a result of my posts in here are no big loss, one indeed was happy for me to pay the rent for their business so I guess I saved some lindens there.
I am a net contributor to CWS (meaning I put in alot more in terms of lindens than I take out in terms of a monthly income) and how I spend my money is my business, I dont waste my money on cigarettes or alcohol in RL so choose to spend in SL, shich isnt from a credit card btw. Every penny I could argue is a waste as I get nothing material for it, but what I do get is a dream I could not have in rl and that is priceless. I was making a point that I do not cheat, I play by the rules, and would never take or ask for money from anyone in any circumstances. What I have and spend here is mine and comes from my own Bank Account
Never once however have I caledl SL a game, to me it is anything but. It is a place where dreams can come true,. My best friend here for instance is in rl wheelchair bound so in here we spend all our time together walking or dancing. Modelling is something I do as I love it so. If that makes me an idiot scam then I am an idiot and thats great..No doubt Scam will ridicule this too.
If you want to see all the good positive things about us, then come to our graduation on Friday. Listen to how happy the graduates are. In 3 months you will find them doing great with other agencies too, and to me thats what its about, not winning or placing in pageants. Thats why I am a trainer. Every model I know who graduates from Avenue or Manieria or gets into MVW finals and started with us, is a success, Lua, Diana and SD are good examples. Others like Mesange who choose to stay so they can take part in our fashion shows are just as successful, they just dont see modelling as anything more than taking part in one fashion show a week, and thats lovely. They also dont mind doing the styling and training we ask of them as we cant have 50 models and dont ask models to do weekly castings, that would be terribly unfair on those who may be inexperienced. If that makes me a bad person, then great I am a bad person. Before you judge me speak to the people who know me best, and I think you will get the truth, not the scurilous venom cam spews out about me IM me inworld it would be great to say hello.
I do understand peoples views on the voting boards, but I dont agree in anyway that they are a scam, and would say its simple, if people wish to spend lindens on the boards thats their business, and most people are able to make up their own mind if it is for them or not. Put it simply that is where I think Scam and I differ, and although she is very offensive and condesending I do look forward to her responses, and I am not here hitting the keys in anger.
why do I keep coming back ?..because thats the point of this site. Its a place where people can express their opinions and when I see people misleading like I aint you cash cow then I just put the other side of the story and let people make their own minds up.
I have been reading all these posts and thinking about it a lot. I am not a big fan of Debbie or CWS, but the conversations don’t seem so bad until duchess gets involved. She just sounds like a nasty witch. The video is the worst thing I have seen here. I agree with Scam if this is any indication of modeling at CWS than I would stay far away
Classy! This video posting and it’s completely offensive nature is a perfect example of the trashy low end models over at CWS. Another brilliant post! Keep it coming…..thanks for helping me continue to prove my point. LOVE IT!!! :)
omg I found a link to Scamalicious composing her next post
ps Dear Queen I still love you
we sure can Charlie
Awesome! You’re definitely Snookie so we can settle on that:)
My god you know who I am…I was keeping that a secret
Yep you are Charlie Sheen I dont need to look anymore
DebbieDoo are you Nicole “Snookie” Palizzi (the dumbest person on the planet)? Just asking.
DebbieDoo, the more I think about this the more disturbing it is. You sound like a classic member of a cult. You are literally defending the Charles Manson of MMRPG financial scams, Anrol Anthony! You just admitted you gave away approximately $110 USD (more in GBP) to Anrol for NOTHING! What a generous donation to this bizarre woman sitting behind her computer somewhere in California. It’s so sick that you think that’s acceptable and a “normal” part of playing “a game.” It’s just a stupid game! I would recommend some deprogramming websites.
hahahahaha, no one is laughing!
Scam are you Charlie Sheen? just asking.
DebbieDoo, thank you for further pointing out how fraudulent CWS and Anrol truly are. You’re post was very informative in providing additional information. Specifically, the following:
“I had paid 60k of my own rl money to be in Ms Hollywood, but was fairly prevented from doing so as I was a UCWS trainer at the time of the pageant. I wasnt a trainer when I made my investment on my board (out of my own free will, I spend my own cash on what I chose to ty). I was not refunded my contributions boo hoo me, as caveot emptor applied.”
If you think in any realm, be it virtual or otherwise, that sort of treatment of anyone’s “real” money is acceptable than you’re complicit in very shady business practices. Is Anrol that desperate to keep your money despite the fact your status changed from model/pageant participant to UCWS trainer? Wow, did you seriously just say, “I knew the rules and abided to them and have no complaints.”? What rules? Anrol rules? Those change depending on the funding and EVERYONE knows it. If you had “no complaints,” that your investment wasn’t refunded, then you’re just an idiot! You must like throwing money away and may I suggest in the future take that same amount out to the street, make a little pile and light it on fire. Same difference.
Here’s another thing you pointed out which was utterly brilliant:
“As far as interview process is concerned, oh please its SL not RL. Anrol chose Vicky and she made a good decision. We select from within. So the interview process isnt needed.”
You’re absolutely correct it’s Second Life and you continually contend it’s, “just a game.” However, it’s an organization within the game that accepts and transacts huge amounts of “real life” money!!! They have a responsibility to be professional and above reproach!!! If you contend they don’t, then again you’re a moron and equally complicit in this very shady scam and money scheme.
As for the entire Vicky issue, I will reiterate, it was not I who mentioned her or brought her up! Another individual disgusted by the practices over at CWS did! Now that you all have been called on the table for this and look like total liars, you’re rewriting history and trying to put a different spin on her “trainer” position. Nowhere in Anrol’s announcement does it state Vicky is a trainer in training and assuming the role in September as you now claim. So just stop with the crap, no one is buying that load of garbage! As for your delusional belief that CWS, “models tend not to be the envious type” What drugs are you on? I want some! I got a hearty laugh when I read that! With all the rule bending and nose tweaking of Nickle Sparrowtree, you have a more contentious atmosphere over there than ever before and you know it! I’m also amused at your constant, “Goodbyes” and eventual return to comment here some more. It just shows the days of CWS and the money gravy train are coming to a swift end and you’re trying to salvage a sinking ship. I hear Celine Dion singing, “My heart will go on” as I type this!
Keep trying to figure out who I am….it’s a complete waste of time! Never going to happen:)
a number of facts that were missing from cash cows post
1. Vicky will not be a trainer at UCWS until Sept, and has been learining our teaching techniques for the last two months As a former student who gave good feedback I take it that you werent unhappy at UCWS
2.. She currently trains models on CWS fashion show formations in the week prior to the show. If indeed you are active in CWS you would know this. Its more of a lead model role really.
3. As Vicky wasnt a trainer at UCWS she was entitled to participate in the pageant that she fairly won.
4. I had paid 60k of my own rl money to be in Ms Hollywood, but was fairly prevented from doing so as I was a UCWS trainer at the time of the pageant. I wasnt a trainer when I made my investment on my board (out of my own free will, I spend my own cash on what I chose to ty). I was not refunded my contributions boo hoo me, as caveot emptor applied, I knew the rules and abided to them and have no complaints.
5. As far as models being unhappy given Vickys relatively new status in CWS as a model, then I look forward to their IMs. I havent received any, so take silence as implied acceptance. I am sure Vicky will do a great job, she is loved by all, and is a wonderful person and role model. CWS models tend not to be the envious type, and those who are tend to leave, or stay and moan to whoever is unfortunate enough to be in IM distance, lucky we dont have many of those..
6. As far as interview process is concerned, oh please its SL not RL. Anrol chose Vicky and she made a good decision. We select from within. So the interview process isnt needed.
Well Jinx, I personally didn’t bring Vicky into this, but I think the point “I Ain’t Your Cash Cow” is making blames CWS and Anrol more so than Vicky per se. I can’t speak for anyone else or their issue, however when I read the notices it makes CWS look very bad and Anrol extremely shady. It’s pretty apparent CWS/Anrol had Vicky conducting “training” before she it was officially announced she was a “trainer.” Additionally, there’s a valid point to be made, if indeed that was the case her participation in the Ms. Too Sexy pageant wasn’t fair and increases the credibility issues facing CWS/Anrol. Vicky is also relatively new to CWS and it may have pissed some people off that there wasn’t a more open and thorough “application” and “interview” process. Just saying.
You know, whoever is on here talking junk about Vicky! It seriously disgusts me. She is the most real and honest and most generous person I have ever met on Second Life. She deserves what she has won through CWS and she also deserves to be a trainer and she is a good one as well! Why don’t you research and find out what your talking about before you spew nonsense about a person that doesn’t deserve it! Get a new hobby because it is seriously getting old!!
Oh my apparently this needs to be put in very simple terms for those of you too slow to process what’s been disseminated here (spread or dispersed). First, not one person who has posted on this thread has had any issue what so ever with how people choose to spend their money. Case in point, if Nickle Sparrowtree wants to run up her parents credit cards and spend thousands of dollars on Second Life (MMRPG) that’s entirely up to her. It’s the duplicity, the manipulation and shady tactics employed by Anrol Anthony and her crew over at CWS. I’m not going over them all again, it’s all been said in previous posts.
Second, regardless of what any of you “think” or “assume” I can assure you, none of you has any idea who I am. So assuming I am a female and currently modeling at CWS is pure speculation attempting to flesh me out and it won’t work.
Third, the net is a free speech zone and everyone and anyone is entitled to say what they will. That said, don’t expect if you’re going to be a tremendous a-hole and a jerk, you won’t get scolded here. CWS is not my “obsession.” Informing would be participants in this bogus group is my current mission. If you want to marginalize THAT no biggie. Doesn’t phase me in the least because the information is out there now and more and more buzz around the SL modeling community has been generated because of all the drama here. That to me means more people will most likely shy away from CWS and spend their $$ and game play elsewhere. Hopefully learning from professionals not looking to fleece their wallets like Anrol does.
Lastly, no one here has said that SL is anything but a very glorified virtual reality GAME. However, as The Queen pointed out, real money is involved and like I have pointed out ad nauseam, there are tons and tons of people behind those keyboards who pay their hard earned dollars to various individuals, groups and organizations in SL. They expect and deserve to be treated FAIRLY and their financial transactions handled IN GOOD FAITH! If you can’t grasp that elementary concept, than you’re completely hopeless, cruel and shallow. It would be nice if you would stop spinning this basic issue into different directions, trying to mislead the ongoing conversation and marginalizing the people who have witnessed and experienced unfair and shady game play by the “management” over at CWS!
Thank you for your compliments I do consider myself intelligent and use my vast vocabulary wisely and not to poke fun at the expense of others as you do. I am not here joking around, putting on false airs and pretending to be someone in the know. I actually am very much on the INSIDE and everything here can be substantiated.
as the wife of a famous world leader who is down on our luck at the moment, what do I need to do to register with CWS.
My good friends Mrs Saddam and Mrs Bin Laden and Mrs Chevez would also like to join too.
Do you think CWS would sponsor us?..what do we need to do?
Thankyou for all your help in advance.
If we have to move suddenly I may have to miss a few classes, would this be allowed in CWS?…thankyou
Hello granny in law
I didnt say the money wasnt real, I said you were buying nothing material, but were buying and living a fantasy and thats a good thing.
The points you raised were precisely what I was trying to say, but because its the queens English, you put it far more eloquently than I ever could
I am saying people can spend their money on whatever they wish.
In RL if you dont think you are getting value for money you can always shop elsewhere, and the same is true in SL. If you think CWS is a scam and need to warn others to stay away then fine, but at the same time if you enjoy it there as much as I did then stay, and also post how you feel.
This site is very informative when it comes to deciding where to go. It also helps to talk to SL models in world and make your own mind up.
If you are about pageants and learning basic SL modelling skills then CWS is for you. If you are about learning more advanced techniques and wish to go into other areas then Maniera, Avenue and MVW are good places to go. I would also say belong to as many agencies as you can, and you will find one which you enjoy more than the others, but most of all enjoy this wonderful fantasy that for many of us isnt something we can have in RL.
I love you granny and cant wait to wear your crown, but after your funeral not before!
Now turning to Scamalangadingdong the saviour and spokesperson for all great models in SL and is also a member of CWS, so maybe I should rename her Weakmindedlicious. I wouldnt be suprised if she begs Anrol to let her appear in the weekly fashion shows, yet comes here and is constanly offensive. Or maybe she complains when she doesnt win the pageants she is so quick to complain about here. I wonder if she would ever post in CWS what she does in this site, or even return the crowns she has already won in CWS in the same pageants she criticises so frequently.
Scamy you said ” I find it condescending and you marginalize the issues addressed here. Regardless of your rather daft and dull opinion, many credible and detailed facts have been laid out on this thread. You’re apparently more interested in your overblown ego than actually reading the entire thread and familiarizing yourself with the topics. Take your ignorant multiple personalities and visit another site, no one here is impressed or amused. ”
In earlier posts you typed “This blog and the internet are place where you’re free to say and discuss what ever you wish”
I am now confused, on the one hand you can say what you like here as its the internet , yet on the other hand when someone has a confilicting message to you they must go elsewhere. Can you explain this contradiction please? Are yours the only opinions that count? I know mine arent. I also accept that you have a superior brain, so am expecting to be called thick and insulted and for my simple question to you to be either ignored or brushed aside as irrelevent and condescending, but all of us here would truly like for you to be able to explain why the contradiction.
Queen I think your picture should be on linden notes too, I love you
I wonder when some of the stereotypes about SL will end. One being that it’s just a “game” , hence fake. Real people are behind the keys! The other one is that, again being “fake”, there is no real money involved. Oh there is!! There are many people that are business people in SL, which is perfectly okay. From land owners to fashion designers to builders. Yes, they make real money! That’s why it’s so important to have everybody informed about scams in SL. We are talking about real money! I cannot speak about CWS because I’ve never been involved with any of the people mentioned in this thread, but let’s stop with the “this is not real” thing. Don’t be naive!! Plus, if SL isn’t “real” enough, why bother to even comment on a website like this – clearly dedicated to SL activities? And remember Duchess, as long as I’m alive, God Save the Queen!
Please take your own advice.
“If you wish to discuss other SL agencies or organizations, there is a huge list to your right. May I suggest you select the one you wish to discuss and go to THEIR page and chat away!!!”
However, it is sweet that you try and protect the sad souls that believe SL is real. Forget the Duchess of Cambridge’s land, you need to come here and protect our citizens from the boogieman, the tooth fairy, and Santa Claus.
I fear your obsession of Classic with Style has led to delusions of grandeur. On the other hand, this is a forum devoted to fake lives, so perhaps you will be OK!
Wow, the lunatic fringe is out in full force. You obviously are more interested in trying to be cutesy and witty. I find it condescending and you marginalize the issues addressed here. Regardless of your rather daft and dull opinion, many credible and detailed facts have been laid out on this thread. You’re apparently more interested in your overblown ego than actually reading the entire thread and familiarizing yourself with the topics. Take your ignorant multiple personalities and visit another site, no one here is impressed or amused.
As for “dead horse” once again you’re posting on the “Classic with Style” Agency Report page. If you wish to discuss other SL agencies or organizations, there is a huge list to your right. May I suggest you select the one you wish to discuss and go to THEIR page and chat away!!! Once again, this is the CWS page. Here we discuss CWS. Yoo Hoo wake up please and grab a clue.
Loyal citizensof England and my American fans I wonder how many of you pay rent on land that doesnt exist in SL or pay lindens for clothes you cant wear, or have collections of shoes and hairs that cost a fortune but arent real. I wonder if you complain about that. I spend a fortune, so does my sister Pippa, in fact you have to see her inventory its huge like her ego.
Yet pay 5 or 10k to Anrol and everyone screams and calls it a scam. Well you are paying for nothing so in a way it is, but then again nothing you pay for in SL is real so what is the problem? Caveot emptor applies, its the free market, if you are happy sitting your avi on a chair that isnt real, admiring scenery that isnt there and wearing clothes that are made of nothing then good luck to you.
None of this is real. However accept that some people dont agree with you, and whilst we arent look to changing your view at least have some manners besides I am royalty.
The same people who moan are also the ones who call SL modelling a career, well news for you too, it isnt a career, being royal is, and a nice job it is too. As for the so called super models, please do give me a break, its SL not RL If you like CWS stay, and if you dont then leave, Its a fantasy enjoy it, be what you cant be in real life.
If you want to warn potential models that it may cost to be in pageant, then fine, to pay thousands to be in a finale isnt what most want to do, but if you want to then so what, its not a scam, but also warn them that the clothes and hair they buy arent real either.
Dont you dare answer me back I am going to be queen of the world soon and I believe in vengeance
I think that has been made clear over and over lol
Anyone falling for this CWS scam, at this point, might as well just send his/her Linden balance to Anrol.
Consider the “endless” stream of derisive evidence against CWS, Anrol, Steve et al to be a warning that something funky is going on.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire ( in this case a raging forest fire ).
I know there is nothing positive to say about CWS.
But it just seems everything on Agency Report is about CWS. Can we talk about other agencies (good & bad).
I just think we’ve beat this dead horse already.
Well Dead Horse this is the Classic with Style page. What would you suggest? Is there a positive topic about CWS you would like to bring up? This blog and the internet are place where you’re free to say and discuss what ever you wish. CWS and Anrol’s scams are being argued here because people came here to tell the truth to Noobs and other models. Then there are few CWS cult members who want to reject the truth and pretend this isn’t happening. Pretty simple. If you are sick of the negative conversations on Classic with Style’s page, may I suggest you pose a new topic here or quit reading. Your choice.
Seriously, we know this agency is a crock of *)#^. Do we need to post it again over and over again. I think we all know to avoid this agency like the plague – let’s move on and talk about something else for awhile!
I think it’s hilarious DebbieDoo keeps saying her “goodbyes” here but returns repeatedly to defend the disaster that is CWS. She’s like a broken record. We all get it DebbieDoo you love CWS, you’ll defend Anrol’s deplorable actions and are Nickle’s biggest fan. This quote is priceless, “Who cares if you win or lose, its about taking part, doing your best and competing against girls who are a joy to be with, and if they win, great.” Well, DebbieDoo let me try once more to enlighten your very thick brain. The participants who hand over hundreds of dollars in good faith, expecting a fair competition “care!” You’re wondering why all the “nastyness” (nice spelling btw)? It’s been laid out here on this blog in detail. You just don’t get it. It’s not “fun” to be duped or cheated. Trying to get through to you is hopeless and a waste of time. You are disgusting and pretty pathetic. Still waiting for that IM. You think you’re so smart trying to ferret me out, but believe me when I say you are clueless who I am and would be shocked! I’m a lot closer to you than you think!
As for Ava, are you a complete idiot or is it just a hobby? Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. You sound even more silly defending Nickle who has a flair for alienating nearly everyone with her piss poor attitude, rude remarks and overblown ego!
Polmelic derived from greek word Polmikos
1. a controversial argument, as one against some opinion, doctrine, etc. 2. a person who argues in opposition to another; controversialist.
Says it all really eh Pinktikikat !!
Avoid drama Deb?
That’s hilarious. You seem to be ALL about the drama.
The simple truth is that Classic With Style has been overdue to collect and now, finally, its gotten a, well deserved dose of the truth..
The people who’ve commented that having CWS in a model’s resume is NOT a + have understated it. CWS is a very successful scam that suckers, or is it co-conspirators, help Anrol with. Perhaps that’s one of the reasons that Candylicious has distanced herself from CWS over time.
CWS is one of the SL modeling communities saddest chapters.
Saw what Tragic Fate wrore, and she is correct all we have done is go round and round in circles and made ourselves look silly in the process.
I avoid drama in SL and got a bit too much involved arguing with sneaky faceless models here and thats not the point of an informative site like this one
My view is that CWS is lovely. I have been there for a year, made lots of friends and had a fun time, so I am happy, thats all I wanted it to be.
Its always a lovely feeling seeing new girls joining our schhol and after a few weeks are ready for fashion shows and the beginings of wonderful things with us or other modelling agencies in SL. I am sure all other trainers feel the same :)…even the ones who say they are fierce or claim to be perfectionists ..lol..ooh please give me a break its SL…
Sorry to see that others do not agree, but CWS has been good to me. Ty to Anrol and all the models who make my time there so lovely
Not sure why all the nastyness by someone who cant even put her SL name in here..
Please do send me an IM, as I so want to dissolve our friendship, or will you be nice to me as usual? I already left an IM with you.
I know how SD feels, as she posts in local in CWS and doesnt hide behind a silly name like you do. She went to Maneira because she wanted to widen her horizons, its only SL its not real, but she wants to do great at SL modelling and good luck to her.
I use Lua as an example as she is with Maneira, MWV, Boulevard, and numerous other agencies, yet you say if you are CWS you dont get a look in elsewhere. Its not all about pageants, as not everyone wants to do those!
As for cheating, well I dont. I have placed badly in stylings and pageants and had IM that judges cheating. To me that was just jealousy of the winner. Who cares if you win or lose, its about taking part, doing your best and competing against girls who are a joy to be with, and if they win, great.
The model who purchased the crown, used real money I gave to her to fund her pictures and give her a start in the pageants she so dearly wants to win. Instead she spent it on a crown, and thats her choice. She also came last, and before you claim I cheated as I was a judge that would make me a pretty poor cheat! I gave her lindens to buy things, end of story.
As for styling training well we have stylings every week night, I cant think of a better way of training. Also we do teach basic styling in class, and I would always encourage models if they want to learn more to also look at whatever else is available to learn. Go to the models forum or even speaking to other models helps. Its SL though, dont lose sight of what its about.
As a judge I look for the wow factor. If someone misses a dot pffffft it can be nerve racking. The standard of wow factor is amazing. Oddly people also have fun, when I announce I try my best to make it an enjoyable experience.
If that makes me a pitbull then fine.
I dont however post nasty comments about individual models, and I use my SL name as I have nothing to hide
To me CWS is fun, I have had a great time here, if others dont feel the same, thats fine too.
First let’s point out that the person writing all this utter crap doesn’t even exsist on sl…..(ScamAlertLicious) hmmmmm no surprise here Ok enough is enough I say…..First off does the person know nickle that is spewing utter crap….hmmmmm no because it’s someone that is not real an alt. Let me see is there a rule at the lame CWS that you can’t spend a gazillion lindens to win there lame ass contests….And how can I speak of this, me well because i have been modeling on sl for almost 3 years and yes once suckered in by CWS that lasted about 4 days and I said yea right there not getting another nickle (no pun) from this chica or my friends. That has to be the most lame place on the grid….here pay me a gazillion dollars so that you can win. I find the whole thing a joke I have always found CWS a joke….and please bring Arnol, Steve or any of them to my face and I will say the same.
What angers me most is where is the training for these models…..where is the styling classes hmmmmmm there isn’t any just take there money for shame you should all hide your face in great shame. As far as nickle she is a hard worker, and she wants to learn. She is one of the sweetest people I have ever had the priviledge of knowing and teaching. She has a passion for modeling and anyone who spews crap is imo just jealous. And just FYI Blvd. in an invite agency only….And now doing a open casting. Will Nickle be here I sure hope so because they would be lucky to have her.
My second point…….October’s contest really now ok for again a model who has been doing this a long time, not only adore October but also am a judge for October’s Model of the Month. And this ladies and gentleman is the “one of the ONLY ….fair contests I have ever seen on sl. This is a contest that is judged oh “WOW” new concept not on how much linden you give her, or who you know, but who is the “BEST”. Who has the best theme, prim placement, poses, and walks.
So I would suggest to anyone who spews this utter crap to do your homework. Know the people you spewing about, and know exactly what “THEIR” contest is before you call out names….Also try a lil humble pie it’s a beautiful thing.
Does it occur to anyone, this thread has the most contentious of posts because generally where there is smoke there’s fire? CWS causes some pretty intense feelings of hatred. It can’t all be jealousy of one model who finally spent enough lindens to “buy” herself a silly crown from Anrol. What else “out in the big pond” has she won? Photo contests? Print ads? What else has she really achieved (Sorry October’s bullsh$# doesn’t count)? So what Nickle GRADUATED from MVW. And? Has she been hired by Blvd. or any other reputable agency? Never going to happen and everyone knows it. Her attitude is crap and so is her overall presentation. She’s over at LUSH? That brings a hearty laugh to my chest. Nickle is going to have to cheat on that homework. Wonder who she’ll get to do her styling for her.
As for DebbieDoo she keeps coming back and proving time and time again she’s Anrol’s pitbull. Nice role you’ve taken on Miss “it’s all good fun.” LMAO you said all that crap about Frolic and to numerous people. You slammed him, belittled him and trashed him and his organization to newbies. Now you want to try and play it off like good clean fun? What a tool you are.
“One other thing, Vicky was in pageant finale before she was a trainer”
The notices don’t lie. Those are the actual notices sent out by Vicky herself via CWS. If she wasn’t a trainer, why was she conducting “training?” By herself I might add and of CWS “elite” models no less. So which is it? Is CWS so unprofessional they have non-trainers “training” their elite models? If Vicky was being supervised while learning to conduct “training” where was the supervisor at those sessions? Or is it she was a trainer and CWS/Anrol plays favorites and bended the rules once again for one of their own? Considering the notice that went out THE DAY AFTER the pageant….you decide!
Responding to Sick and Disgusted:
Ok so now we all know you’re either Nickle Sparrowtree herself or her friend. Fact: Nickle consistently has broken the rules or thrown massive temper tantrums and due to the extreme amounts of money she drops into Anrol’s hands, has the rules bent for her and her alone. Want example after example dumb dumb? Nickle IS a major topic of conversation because she is the number one example of modeling gone all wrong. True she “graduated” MVW Academy. It’s a miracle. Believe me it was largely based on styling and one thing everyone would agree on, Nickle knows how to do “over the top.” Were you there?
“Not one model that I have seen while attending these pageants, especially the ones who have whined about one model in particular, take on a challenge to venture out to take on the big pond rather than stay in the small pond and complain about the agency. All I read is jealously and hatred and yes boredom.”
Really? Want examples of other models, quality models who have “ventured out to take on the big pond?” You’re a complete moron of the lowest order and you’re completely talking out of your A@#!! Jealousy? Yeah I know Nickle is convinced and apparently you are too, that everyone, every model aspires to be her. ROFL.
Responding to DebbieDoo:
drama over..wont post again
people dont want to read people having spatts…sorry if I annoyed anyone, but was just making my point….
blah blah blah blah blah Debbie. Says you after posting and posting and posting.You’re so pathetic. You really are.
I Aint Your Cash Cow you must also be part of cws, or close to soemone who is, because those posts came from group noitces..so if you dont like..then leave..or if your cws friend feels the same she should go as well…nobody forces anyone to be in any group anywhere in SL…
btw if I find out who you are or who your whiney little silly friend is, and I suspect I know ..you will be removed if you werent already and your whingey friend will follow u (does that give u a clue as to who I think u are?)….getting personal about models and not saying who you are, takes away your credibility….as what you wrote was spiteful against an individual…say what u like about CWS…np..you are entitled to, the catty stuff is just nonesense
I thought you didn’t care and it’s all nonsense. Oooo I’m real scared and quaking in my boots, you might eject me from CWS and their lame groups. Oh darn you mean I don’t have to get spammed by Anrol grubbing for money anymore. Gosh what a treat.
btw also look at listing of alot of recent maneira students and guess what they come from CWS…most have also been to MVW..and despite me poking fun out of Frolic, its light hearted and gl to him…its sl..we can do what we want..and btw its not a career you do that in rl..well most of us do..not sure about you, maybe you live in sl…but who cares
First, models are leaving CWS and seeking opportunities elsewhere because CWS sucks and Anrol is a huge and greedy jerk! You keep using Lua for every argument. How many pageants has she been in over at CWS? Exactly! Let’s talk about SD. I don’t see you bringing her up. She too has sought out greener pastures at Maniera. Why? Because she has contended for sometime now CWS is dishonorable and cheats like hell!!! As for your now backtracking on your comments both here and behind the scenes over at CWS, regarding Frolic Mills, I’d hazard a guess he isn’t amused by you or anyone else over at CWS. You say, “who cares?” You do. Why else do you keep coming back for more Debbie?
god I Aint Your Cash Cow you really must love cws to spend so much time copying and pasting things.
Not going into a you are taling nonsense thing with you, let other people judge that..but one comment you said about me backstage during judging…it was when nickle was on stage, and guess what I use my cam to zoom on her..but of course being the expert you obviously are, you will know about camera controls, so you already knew about that.
One other thing, Vicky was in pageant finale before she was a trainer, she is as honest as the day is long. Posting her notices about training sessions for fashion shows has confused me. What is your point?
Am expecting a strange reply, so cant wait really..
Have a nice day
WTF? I’d be more impressed if you could string together a coherent sentence! As for “backstage” I have no idea what you’re talking about or referring to. Sorry never had the unfortunate privilege.
I miss comments and information about Classic with Style on this site. Can anyone who know anything about this agency please post at least one comment to help me know if this is a good or bad agency?
I have never seen any blog post more focused on one model and her career. This blog is supposed to be about the agencies not about the RL and SL lives of models. It is sad and pathetic that those who hide behind crazy names and anonymous have nothing else to do other than to criticize on Model who has done nothing other follow the rules established by CWS.
Not one model that I have seen while attending these pageants, especially the ones who have whined about one model in particular, take on a challenge to venture out to take on the big pond rather than stay in the small pond and complain about the agency. All I read is jealously and hatred and yes boredom. “I am not a cash cow” failed to mention that the model GRADUATED from MVA. She failed to mention that that the pricing structure established for the pageants are available to everyone, not just this one model. She failed to mention that in the model’s comment about fame, it was her statement that her fame would allow her to help more people, very much like every single Miss in MV. And quite frankly her win for Ms. Sexy was because she had out styled all the girls who participated, but you learn those things when u venture out of the small pond.
The other sick and twisted person gravatarman under anonymous re-posted more crap from April. Not only is his comment in appropriate but also spreads untruths. Get a life or better yet, do something more productive than attacking a model doing something rather than just being jealous of another’s success. Do something that someone can say hey, they were really kind to me and I am a better person for it. it is a lot easier to build someone up than to tear someone down. Try it sometimes.
It is very sick to see that mentality of the people who have posted beyond their issues with the agency and decided to make this a personal forum to attack someone who isn’t even in management. My question is what have you done? Who have you helped? What difference have you made, or lying on the agency report on models who have nothing to do with management is the only way to make you feel better about yourselves.
Hi halfwit..to quote you
August 1, 2011 at 11:43 pm
OMG reading all the posts over CWS yes they cheat and play favorites in the pageants and style events. Any real ageancy looks down on CWS and if you list them in picks beware you will have a hard time in the modeling world no matter how good you are.”
Now dozy go look at Lua Vendettas profile and see who she models with..she recently graduated with almost perfect marks from Maneira, who are fabulous….nobody looks down noses at anyone..its sl…and guess what in rl most of us arent models…we pay $20 a month to lindens so we can enjoy sl..and strangely do this as its fun…we dont get stuck up our bottoms pretending we are super models..
btw also look at listing of alot of recent maneira students and guess what they come from CWS…most have also been to MVW..and despite me poking fun out of Frolic, its light hearted and gl to him…its sl..we can do what we want..and btw its not a career you do that in rl..well most of us do..not sure about you, maybe you live in sl…but who cares
Last badly spelt post to I Aint Your Cash Cow was by me..I forgot to type my name in…ooopsie
god I Aint Your Cash Cow you really must love cws to spend so much time copying and pasting things.
Not going into a you are taling nonsense thing with you, let other people judge that..but one comment you said about me backstage during judging…it was when nickle was on stage, and guess what I use my cam to zoom on her..but of course being the expert you obviously are, you will know about camera controls, so you already knew about that.
One other thing, Vicky was in pageant finale before she was a trainer, she is as honest as the day is long. Posting her notices about training sessions for fashion shows has confused me. What is your point?
Am expecting a strange reply, so cant wait really..
Have a nice day
Here’s a perfect example of the BS going on over at CWS:
TRAINER: VICKY YONGBO
PLEASE do arrive 10 minutes ahead of practice ladies.
HUDDLES loaded and DVC worn and lets ROCK THE RUNWAY!
See you all there:) hugsss xo
TIME: 1pm slt
PLACE: BLUE RUNWAY
TRAINER: VICKY YONGBO
PLEASE arrive ten minutes before training commences. TY
Simply the best Models team training! Please have DVC on and HUDDLES loaded, with the ANROL poses.
Lets ROCK THE RUNWAY!
Hugssss Vicky xx
DATE: 27TH JULY (TODAY)
TRAINER: VICKY YONGBO
Please arrive ten minutes ahead of schedule.
DVC ON and HUDDLES loaded with the new Anrol poses.
I`d like to take this opportunity to congratulate our JULY class on passing their finals….well done Ladies and Gents. I look forward to your graduation tomorrow. Welcome on board and if you have any questions do please IM me, I am always happy to help!:) CONGRATULATIONS ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!
Hi everyone, I will do doing a training session today at 1pm slt for all Simply models. ELITE models please only attend if you know the routine and have all poses loaded in huddles for the BLUE runway. Do feel free to come watch if not.
Please arrive TEN minutes ahead of training and have DVC and HUDDLES at the ready. If you have any questions either message me or send me a NC and I will get back to you ASAP. Big hugs and hope to see you there….muaaah!
*Notice was sent out by Vicky Yongbo
Winners of the Ms. Too Sexy 2011 pageant held on 7/31/2011
1st Place: Nickle Sparrowtree
2nd Place: Vicky Yongbo
3rd Place: Sunrae Suntzu
CWS claims “trainers” are not allowed to compete in pageants. So Anrol sent this notice out on 8/1/2011
A VERY EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT !
I am very pleased to announce that the new trainer and executive host of Classic W/ Style Modeling Academy. Please help me welcome Vicky Yongbo as our new exetive trainer and Tiffani Celestalis as our executive CWS Host
They are buying Pizza today
Is anyone amazed they waited til “after” the pageant to make this announcement and make it official? Total bogus and so damn typical for troll Anrol Anthony. Take a look at their “new” trainer and her professional prim editing skills
Nice crown can you make it fit maybe?
This place is such a joke and Anrol a huge scamming, lying, shady BIT@$!!!!!
Warning: Anrol and Steve (may be the same person..no one is sure) grief their own pageants to eff with contestants they don;t want to win. Yes it’s a fact. They have tons and tons of avis. They mask as security or their latest is animal people (tiger, lions and so on). Get this, they CLAIM it’s so they can eject people from their own SIM. Are they serious with that lame a@$ excuse? Do they think we all fell off the turnip truck? What a bunch of creepy weirdo freaks!!! Anrol you’re a jerk and a half. You suck and suck and suck again. You are a troll and a bottom feeder of the lowest order. Debbiedoo you’re their hired henchmen and *whif whif* you stink!
One last thing to note….It says a lot about the quality of any organization that puts on a pageant when they have to use their “own” internal employees as judges and can’t scare up any guest judges who would be more impartial. You would think with so many hundreds of thousands (yes that’s right HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS) of lindens being bid on these things they could at least “try” and appear unbiased!!! Of course no one wants to be associated with Anrol’s brand anymore may have something to do with this.
Also how much more CRAP (prims) is tacky Anrol going to add to her SIMs? Talk about lag monsters. Her SIMs are lag whores!
Wait there’s more….
CWS has sunk to an all time low and they are headed into the trash. Speaking about the pageant tonight, it was virtually empty and most people took off during that awful and painful Essence singing thing Anrol subjects everyone too. I always suspected but now am more sure than ever, Anrol is either on heavy meds or has a drinking problem. It’s no secret she is flighty, forgetful and her behavior often very erratic. Tonight was no exception. She feeds the MC or DJ with the information to be read. Instead of giving it all in advance to that person she feeds a little bit at a time to them to read aloud to the audience. Anrol forgot people, forgot the order of her models, gave chopped up descriptions with parts and paragraphs missing. In fact, one model Kiralyn Destiny never got her description for her Showgirl theme read at all. The IMs flying around from backstage were too much to keep up with. It was the WORST pageant ever over there!!! Sunrae S. took 3rd place and her jewelry editing was horrible and resembled a noob. Not to mention her Gown category was so beneath her talents. Her makeup was cheap and freakish, her eyes had completely disappeared and the shoes were hideous. If that pageant wasn’t “rigged” than I have serious doubts about the fashion worthiness of the judges, Lisana, Laylah and DebbieDoo. Perhaps they need some more advanced training themselves. Maybe Nickle could recommend them to Frolic over at MVW. I heard half the pageant, while models where strutting the runway, DebbieDoo was backstage messing around for her lame half-time talent dances. I guess Debbie had already made her picks and didn’t need to see the ACTUAL pageant or the contestants presentations. Really? CWS wonders why it constantly comes under fire for fixing pageants?
WARNING: this was bargin basement pageant at it’s best!!! Do not enter one of these or spend your hard earned money. You will be sorry!!!
The word is out….Nickle was at MVW and Anrol panicked. Her precious “cash cow” might leave, so over a long, long, long period of tortured deliberation (you know the singing part that sucks and where everyone goes off to do something else for 30 minutes?) Anrol managed to fix the Ms. Too Sexy pageant in favor of Nickle Sparrowtree. Her out fits were decent, nothing different or fabulous. Completely off the rack. No mixing or matching. No detailed or intricate styling. Let me break it down for you….The winner, Nickle wore a Cleopatra outfit that was semi-sheer and tried to pass that off as “lingerie.” Her Showgirl theme started out with a 5 minute set up of a secondary stage that when revealed was a giant shoe and some concert type lighting. Also attached was a stripper pole. The shoe and some of the emitting effects were the best part. Then her song, terrible! Then her dance, awful! She had on this enormous headdress and half the routine danced upside down, doing splits while I guess unrealistically resting on top of it. The remainder of her routine, she danced like….well, a stripper! As did the other top 3 contestants. The only ones who even stuck to their themed assignments were, Debbie Jasper, Kiralyn Destiny, Pink Sparrowhawk and June Fall. What was intriguing about Nickle’s talent was she continued well after the music finished and was politely “thanked.” In total her dance took nearly 15 minutes. It was nuts. Then the Gown category. Nickle looked nice. Her hair was ghastly but the rest was ok. Then it’s her turn to answer the question. Here’s what has most people baffled….Nickle spends big $$$ to ensure she is ranked 1st going into EVERY pageant. So as a result she automatically receives 3 points towards her overall score and the question in advance. Yet every pageant she sits there and sits there as if she’s actually formulating her answer, to a question she got days before and time to prepare the answer. Does she know she can just copy and paste her answer quickly into chat or does she play around to capture more face time in front of the judges? One will never know, but the real kicker this time was her question? Something along the lines of, “Which would you rather have money, fame or glamour?” Duh…predictable to type she said she wants the “fame.” She wants to walk around SL and have people pull her aside and ask, “Hey aren’t you Nickle Sparrowtree? Didn’t you win this and that? Oh and help out so and so?” Mhm, you’re not reading it wrong that was in her answer to the judges tonight.
Forgetme, I am sorry you feel this way.
As far as taking money from students, alot of students are either sponsored by Trainers or other CWS models, simply because they are either new or dont have lindens. I spend upto 21k a month sponsoring students and a bit more on helping with poses etc, so not sure what you mean. I do this because I can, and always will do it, and dont publicise it, as its not me being a saint etc.
In alot of instances (maybe the majority of instances actually) models I sponsor have decided not to start or that its not for them, and thats fine, its their choice, as its not a deal, its just me helping in the best way I can, for genuine reasons. I have done this since day 1, and will continue until my last day in SL.
If a student on completing CWS wishes to go to another school then I am happy to help them there too. No strings attached, and no pressure on them to complete, and I dont mention the sponsorship ever again.
I dont intend to get into a drama, as everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I was silly before, and I feel that although you have your views and I cannot change them on pageants, your views on money being taken from students isnt correct.
As far as pageants are concerned I was a competitor in the one you refer to, and placed badly, but you know what, I didnt care as I had a great time. I had IMs at the time stating I should have done better etc etc..I truly didnt care, the best won, and I wasnt the best.
Let’s get real. Which famous agencies or stores would hire models associated with CWS? They have been fooling newbies. They are well-known for their bad reputation. They do not give their best to their students but take money from them. I had been a judge for them once and thought it would be at least some discussion about the contestants performance. But no. She simply asked me to pick anyone I liked. I have heard that one big designer picked his/her assistant to be the winner there. So many of their models and staff left the agency because of their wicked business. If you want to try your luck, go ahead.
@Melissa you do not have to pay to do boards, that is your choice you need to find and agency that lets their models get a chance to model for them,and also enter some contest but not pay to vote.
Why do we have to pay to do boards? What if we can not afford it? That means we can not model?
Lets say this and you all might or might not know this but Anrol is Steve as well. A little FYI
CWS is a SCAM. Anrol is a bitch
Father’s Day Special Vote.. All Votes will be boost ..Today’ s Voting Special June 19th, 2011
Anyone vote 500L and up today till 9:00 pm/slt
╟►will get an outfit below (picture below)
╟►You choose your color and if you vote 1000 and up you will get the fatpack of the outfit.
╟►Just Vote Directly to your picture and I will deliver the outfit after 9:00 pm/slt
╟►Top Votes for tonight will have this outfit after her name
╟►Will be photograph by our photographer
[13:18] Anrol Anthony: Today’ s Voting Special June 19th, 2011
Anyone vote 500L and up today till 9:00 pm/slt
╟►will get an outfit below (picture below)
╟►You choose your color and if you vote 1000 and up you will get the fatpack of the outfit.
╟►Just Vote Directly to your picture and I will deliver the outfit after 9:00 pm/slt
╟►Top Votes for tonight will have this outfit after her name
╟►Will be photograph by our photographer
OH forgot to say they will do this without any proof of who posted here or not it’s never their fault it’s always someone else’s fault and without any proof they will blame and thus regardless of who posts or if SL is playing games they will NEVER be to blame for any issues of any kind.
Forgot to add rather they have proof that you posted or not it’s their word and their word only regardless…heck LL could post and they will find someone to blame that’s their style nothing is ever their fault or just in general SL…it’s someone’s fault and someone’s to blame…shame on you!
OH heads up to ya’ll who post anonymous you run or will get banned for posting about them here…already heard it happen so just keep that tip in your mind but again I think ppl need to know and if they have to ban cuz someone spoke truth or something that didn’t like then they are the ones with issues not the poster and as it’s best said “better things await”
@ Anonymous (Just a Bystander), Thank God someone with a clue!!!!!!!! CWS=Casino…..exactly!!!!! How thick are these other people?
I don’t know anyone involved in this issue, not a part of CWS, never have been there, don’t have friends involved there, etc … just a bystander reading these forums.
From my perspective, I can see that CWS isn’t a “real” modeling agency, it’s more of a casino with a theme of modeling, that’s pretty clear. I think the problem people are having is that it is masquerading as a legitimate modeling agency, which it obviously isn’t. The people backing up this “place” contradict themselves saying they are legitimate but then they list things that aren’t typical or acceptable within normal modeling agencies. Such as Pay-To-Win pageants and contests, among other practices that I won’t go into because it’s all laid out for you in the comments below.
CWS I suggest you call yourself what you are and allow people to choose to be a part or not. If it’s fun, people will stay no matter what you call yourself.
Models, if you are looking for a real agency, this isn’t it. And be aware that most of the SL modeling community knows this about CWS, so if you plan to move beyond CWS you are essentially still a newbie model starting out.
General people in SL, if CWS provides a “game” you like to play, then play it. If you have an addiction problem with this type of gambling, seek help.
That is all,
Just a Bystander
@ Aeon I respect your point of view and your choice to pay loads of lindens and receive mainly some inventory by the way of dresses in return. God Bless you and your efforts. However, I really won’t engage you much into this discussion because it seems apparent you didn’t read all the comments. No one used the term, “forced.” There is a tremendous difference between using force and then practices in persuasion. It has been pointed out on this thread and I won’t go over it again, about the insidious tactics that Anrol employs to garner the maximum amounts she can from contest or pageant participants, not to their benefit, but her own. This sort of virtual or online “scam.” as YOU called it, I prefer the term, “scheme” is not illegal, but rather duplicitous and sleezy. Regardless, the entire point made here is that it’s wrong and just plain shady. And whether or not you choose to acknowledge this, these practices are NOT in the best interests of models anywhere on SL.There are however, very reputable agencies out their, wildly popular with the biggest names in fashion design and loads of credible endorsements who absolutely, unequivocally do not operate their establishment in such a low end manner. By low end I mean, a huge disparity of profit to the owners and little to nothing for the models. Like you stated it’s your decision to remain at CWS, it’s rather unfortunate cause I think you’re probably way too talented to be getting nothing for all of your something. If you looked elsewhere you have potential to be a great model and get paid in the process. FYI: you could buy all the inventory you ever wanted!
@ Drama…….huh? Are you ok? You sound like someone in desperate need of some serious help. What in God’s name are you talking about? I just hope you don’t hurt yourself or someone else, because now you’ve actually got me concerned. Hope you stay safe – ScamAlertLicious
I think we now can see the beginning of the end of AR…………..and it will be my final comment in this by now hilarious posting about classicwstyle….with hope of speedy recovery, yours laughing…
@ Rouge there is no comparison! Maniera is a “Class A” SL business *smiles*
WOW… As a model at CWS, I just wanted to jump on in here and say a few things. I have been with CWS for almost 2 years now. It is my personal choice to stay where I am at. I have won some, and I have lost some. I have shelled out my share of Lindens, but that was my choice. I wasn’t forced by Anrol or Steve or anyone else for that matter to participate. I understood the competition, the way the pageants worked a long time ago. For 2 years the money I have spent was mostly on the beautiful clothes and accessories I have in my SL inventory by all the great and talented designers on SL.
To me it’s not about winning or loosing its about the ability of being able to enjoy modeling where ever it may be. Or to be able to enjoy what ever you choose on SL. To me its a RL get away when I feel I need a break from the real world. Anrol and Steve created something that most people would sit and dream to create. They just made it happen, and again It is your choice to be there. If they were “Scamming” as it is said, Do you honestly think Lindens Lab would have continued to allow such a thing for so long. CWS has been around for 3 years now.
So all this talk, slamming this person, slamming that person, it is your personal opinion. Slamming peoples motives, its your opinion. Everyone is entitled to that. But take a second and sit and think of how it makes you feel after it is all said and done.
Not to completely keep the drama going indefinitely but point of clarification. Maniera Inc. comprises a magazine, an agency (Maniera Model Management) and an academy (Maniera Institute of Style). All of which are fun and done pretty darn well.
@ Trop, I hear what you’re saying, however this is the internet and a blog. At the end of the day it’s still just my opinion. I laid out many financial facts and spoke about the environment over there and the way in which the owner, Anrol Anthony operates. I’m not too concerned with any type of legal action (LOL). When you say “authorities” who would you mean? Linden Labs? You’re not suggesting RL law enforcement are you? As you stated, it is a situation of “buyer-beware.” Like I have continually stated my soul purpose was to report what I know to any prospective models. Take it or leave it. I would hazard a guess from the intense dislike both here and elsewhere towards CWS, Linden Labs has had to field numerous issues and/or complaints. I also suggested if you are going to run this sort of scheme…own it. Tell people up front, “come for the “fun” pay to play this sort of pretend modeling/pageant thing, bearing in mind you may or may not win anything.” Similar to gambling. I object 100% to the surreptitious way in which the models are manipulated and toyed with over there. Anrol is the major offender.
@ Zachary, that is really crazy! How typical of Anrol and I guess DebbieDoo. Going off and making unfounded accusations against someone. So “classy!” Just the name Classic With Style brings a very hardy laugh to my chest and gut! Classic my fanny and “style?” Seriously? Anrol is a paranoid freak! If you care in the least, which I wouldn’t, but if you do give it some time she’ll allow you back. She is “being nice” to Agee again after going all psycho on her. I heard SD is back in the fold again after her blowout with Anrol. Anrol did the same to her, accused her of all sorts of garbage. Maybe some was true, but regardless it’s like high school over there. Good luck to you.
P.S. I’d be throwing a party if I were you!!!!
@ScamAlertLicious Whoever you are, just know that i was wrongfully accused of being you by Debbiedoo Tigerfish earlier today without any prove and as a result i was banned from cws when i tried to clear my name, isnt that classy with style!
Thank you, SAL. But i also don’t see the point in singling out CWS. This type of voting contest is quite common throughout SL. Whether it’s to be a model, or to win a wedding package, or something else. I don’t believe that running such a contest in itself makes anyone a scammer or corrupt. Caveat Emptor. Buyer beware–if you’re spending your money in a contest with only one winner, the odds are stacked against you in the best of cases.
It may very well be that the owners of CWS do not make a profit on the contest, perhaps giving out the money to the winners or covering other overhead costs. Unless you have proof that they are keeping the money or giving it to themselves through alts, the accusations of scamming are unfounded and smack of sour grapes. It could also be construed as libel and defamation of character and opens you up to a liability suit.
Best thing to do if you suspect a scam is to report it to the authorities and refrain from attempts to ruin someone’s reputation. If, in fact, they are caught in a scam, the authorities will bring it to a halt, and then feel free to state that they were caught scamming. Until then, it is not wise to throw around those accusations. Don’t make a personal grievance into a witch hunt.
Bottom line, warn people; tell them to beware that these pay-to-vote contests are a money pit. All of them. Not just CWS. That warning is sufficient, without dirtying your hands defaming a particular vendor.
Well said Trop! This was my sole objective in coming here and alerting prospective SL models to beware and steer clear of Classic With Style. Like you pointed out and I hope some of my posts did too, is simply when a model is continually shelling out thousands in lindens and receiving relatively nothing in return (but a few free dresses and an occasional $500 styling event win), then it’s a “scheme.” The only people who benefit over at CWS are Anrol and Steve. DebbieDoo insists it’s all for fun, I guess I can buy into that, similar to Las Vegas. Then it should be pointed out from the outset, the individual chances of winning any sort of monetary prize is like hitting the lottery. If you go to CWS you will pay and pay and pay to “play.” Don’t expect anything else and I guess according to DebbieDoo you’ll have “fun.” Like I said in a previous post, the game over at CWS favors “the house” = Anrol Anthony and not the player.
Someone linked me to this page, and i’ve just spent a half hour reading through the comments. I don’t really know anyone involved, and came in with an open mind. So now i have a couple of comments of my own. On both sides of the aisle.
First, Nave and the other bashers come off as rabid hyenas, foaming at the mouth, mad about losing a contest/losing money. Had they made their case in a calm and logical manner, i might be more inclined to sympathize with them. Instead, i feel sorry for them’ that they eat up so much of their time and energy being venomous.
That being said, I’ve never been a fan of pay-to-vote schemes just on principle. But maybe that’s because i’m older and wiser than some. It only took me one of these types of contests (in RL) to learn that the contestants are busting their butts to make money for someone else, when with the same effort they could go out and make that money on their own. However, if this is a question of corruption, and alts of the owners/staff winning a contest, a simple abuse report to LL would have exposed it much better than a year of frothy-mouthed ranting.
“Is it possible you two can exchange mails or in some other way take your drama private?? We are fed up with this long ago! Stop this crap and do it NOW!!!!”
@ Drama again you apparently need reminding this blog site isn’t a fascist state. You don’t get to control what is posted. You’re an oxymoron. You call yourself “DramaBuster,” but are causing your own “drama” here. Fascinating! Why do you even care how many posts pop up. Are you sitting there with a stop watch timing it all out? Can you say, “creepy?” Not sure who “we” is considering you’re the only one complaining about the discussion thread here. If you find the topic matter inane….stop logging in and reading it. You’re all about “busting” some “drama?” Well healing starts from within. Lastly, nobody got “abusive” towards you. Get over yourself. You sure have a high sense of self importance (LOL). SInce you seem to be new to internet blog sites and are completely devoid of how it works in general, let me make it real clear…..
IF YOU DON’T LIKE THIS THREAD, STOP READING!!!!!!
Fairly simple huh?
drama thank goodness for you and super heroes like you, patrolling the cyber world, fighting the good fight and making the world a safter place…tonight I will sleep easy :)
We all thank you, all of us…..me and the voices in my head too…
In 14 minutes one of these two manage to produce FOUR posts about something that could have been easily put in one. The post also got abusive comments about me being mentally insane with voices in my head and so on which they also told me before in combination with other rude comments. As i see it it´s time for two bans now to get an end to this circus.
and its not a drama….I expect scam types her message and doesnt go slamming doors after, I know I dont. It was an exchange of views which got a bit boring..and I am sure we were just teasing each other in the end…
sorry if that upset you, it wasnt my intention to
we are fed up?..do you mean you and the little voice inside your head?
Anyone is entitled to type what they please, I like this site as people do have little spats that are meaningless but fun.
Its freedom of speech drama.
Please dont presume to tell anyone what they can or cant type, maybe you shoud stop postng NOW… :)
I understand your point I was just teasing you.
After my desperate wish for the moderator of this blog to act to stop the meaningless posting of paranoid and more or less childish views here about nothing, 8, i say 8, further posts been made in this thread by 2, i say 2, individuals, the same 2 that made this blog private lately. Is it possible you two can exchange mails or in some other way take your drama private?? We are fed up with this long ago! Stop this crap and do it NOW!!!!
Thanks I will speak with Nikki then :)
Then will say peek a boo to you
The beauty of the internet is the ability to be anonymous. I’m not protecting myself cause it’s doubtful you’d even remember me, but I wouldn’t expose my friends. Nice try though. You assume I haven’t spoken to Nikki personally….big assumption and very risky. Maybe it’s you who are clueless on this matter and are only being paid the typical lip service. Just saying.
get your facts right over nikki as you truly have no clue what you are talking about. Anyway am bored of this, Drama is right…finishing now..btw at least scam I use my avi name here..why dont you?
@ DebbieDoo what questions did you ask me that went unanswered? What points did you make that I didn’t address? Regardless of what got Nikki to that point where she felt the need to lash out, she reached her breaking point. Again, I would point out this isn’t the first model over there of late to have serious concerns about the structure of CWS. Many models have departed recently, good models who felt like Nikki (a few crown winners too who have mysteriously disappeared from all CWS events). I thought it was priceless that Nikki posted her IMs with Anrol. Anrol is such a hothead and always hits below the belt. When the conversation doesn’t go her way she “ejects” you and “mutes” you. Super professional and lacking any concern what so ever for not only her own reputation but that of her company. Classic:)
drama meet scam btw…now all three of us can witter on about nothing
no Nikki was having a tantrum, which I caused..end of story. I was with her when she had it.
I dont have to dispute wht you say, I can only speak for myself.
It seems neither of us like to answer thew others questions, its fun though…
dramabuster please we werent having an argument or even having a drama,,,its a forum people express their opinions, just becasue they dont agree it doesnt mean its a drama….I looked forward to scams replies, we werent offending each other or calling each other names…but yes we did witter
“Can the moderator of this chat PLEASE stop the never ending and totally useless posting about Classic with style, it has no interest at all to anyone else but these drama queens that keep on in an eternal fight about nothing. Go get your medicine instead of spending time here.”
A. Ever heard of freedom of speech you fascist?!
B. Others don’t think it’s “useless.”
C. If you’re so above it all DramaBuster (LMAO) why are YOU here and why are YOU posting a comment?
D. People being scammed and manipulated isn’t “nothing” to “everyone.”
DramaBuster = another village idiot (keep drinking the Kool-Aid)!!!!
Can the moderator of this chat PLEASE stop the never ending and totally useless posting about Classic with style, it has no interest at all to anyone else but these drama queens that keep on in an eternal fight about nothing. Go get your medicine instead of spending time here.
Well again DebbieDoo you play the Spin Doctor. Nikki made it pretty clear on this thread and to EVERYONE her “reasons.” Doesn’t sound like a childish “tantrum” to me. Sounds like a frustrated model fed up with the shady CWS scheme. I’m honored you’re acknowledging my best intentions here and my efforts to inform unsuspecting individuals about the games and manipulations going on over at CWS. I think it begs the bigger question though…why aren’t you? You say we “disagree on this.” What is “this” exactly? I still haven’t really figured it out yet. You have yet to dispute any of the facts I have put forward….odd. It’s like a dog who chases it’s tail, you’re talking round and round in circles but not really saying anything.
yep it was fun….but Nikki threw a tantrum for reasons I know and u dont :) but like I say is in the past….maybe you should rename yourself the caped crusader for alerting the public..seriously please do say hi inworld its been interesting, and just cos we dont agree on this it doesnt mean much
DebbieDoo don’t try and put your fairytale spin on me or my relationships. You sing the same old tune of most cult-like organizations. Whenever someone comes forward and tells the truth, they must be “bitter,” have little to no friends and you’re basically insinuating I’m a loser. Do they teach that over at CWS? It’s never a situation where an individual who has two brain cells to rub together sees through the smoke and mirrors act and decides to alert the public. Some of my friends have quit and you know for a fact quite a few models have been exiting or disappearing from CWS!!!! It wasn’t just Nikki who was fed up and had seen enough crap go on over there. Then Anrol gets on here and makes these silly accusations about alts. She should know the game of alts (Candylicious herself) she’s played it enough!!! She may have even been the mysterious Janda Sahara. After Janda’s makeover with Anrol, she oddly looked like Anrol’s twin (ROFL). Then Anrol acting all perturbed by Janda’s secret disappearance, what a put on! That place is like a soap opera and you sound so absurd defending it. As for me being the center of attention, I have no need and frankly I would never waste my money trying to “outbid” other models for a ridiculous placement in one of your trumped up pageants. You threw out a few models names. Again I would point out you are avoiding the money issue. I actually have spoken to a few of those models in the past and was heartbroken to hear they wanted to be a Calendar model or a pageant winner, but knew they could never afford a chance to enter. So who is “laughing” at who? Not sure if it’s sinking in yet DebbieDoo, but you’re not scoring many points in this discussion. Thanks for playing though I hope it was “fun.”
“anyway its getting boring its like having a never ending argument and I am sure people dont sign in here to read us wittering on about nothing”
Well, DebbieDoo you keep coming back for more and to defend CWS and Anrol’s greed, so this thread can’t be too “boring.” And I suspect people DO come to this site and the others to assess the best place to find modeling and make some money while enjoying success. I think they’re fascinated by this site and the information being disseminated. It’s funny you try and marginalize the FACTS as “nothing.” It’s not “nothing” to the models who have been hurt, mistreated and flat out duped by Anrol and CWS. The HUNDREDS of thousands (which you avoid talking about like the plague) being spent to chase a silly crown isn’t “nothing” it’s disturbing and sick! You just continued to show with your remarks just how complicit you really are!!!! It’s practically cult like.
You have some serious balls commenting on the other modeling organizations who have worked tirelessly to ensure fairness and build solid reputations in and amongst SL. What a coward you can’t even say Frollic Mills. Say what you want but he is THE authority on SL fashion and modeling. You don’t have to like him or his name, but make no mistake he’s not some sleezy pimp like Anrol Anthony! His models are the top of the pyramid and you know it!!! They don’t PAY, they get PAID!!! With regards to Avenue, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Kryptonia Paperdoll is the point person for their academy and she is as lovely as she is delightful. They do want you to walk their runway in swimwear so they can assess the strengths and weaknesses of the incoming class. They don’t turn anyone away!!! That hardly sounds like an “audition.” Avenue is also a top notch AGENCY!!!
I challenge anyone reading this, who is sitting on the fence trying to decide where to go for modeling; do the research for yourself. Look at each agencies list of models and their accomplishments in SL!!
Go on Moolto and read for yourself!!! See how much CWS you see there or for that matter anywhere on the grid. Compare and contrast CWS to the others it’ll be come clear immediately who are the reputable organizations with loads of SL and designer endorsements and those that are cheap imposters!!!!
anyway its getting boring its like having a never ending argument and I am sure people dont sign in here to read us wittering on about nothing
I quote “@ DebbieDoo I’m glad you are enjoying the hunt. It’s not a huge mystery. Yes, I am very close to one of the models there and have been encouraging her and some of her friends to leave CWS and that insanity…”
.well you dont seem to be doing a good job if she is still with cws, either that or she has left and come back or is just bitter as she isnt centre of attention all the time .
As for Manierra they arent an agency, I went there, they are a fashion institute, it was fun there too..as for MVW they are run by a strange person who shares his name with a French dog food , as for Avenue many of their graduates are also cws, oddly though to get in there you have to audition,,hardly seems fair to me:)
Models dont work for CWS, and on average probably spend 3 hours a week with us, styling is about fun. I used t o go to 3 a week, I didnt need to spend lots as I had fun, if I placed great, and if not it didnt matter it was still fun. Your friend is bitter mayber as she spends a fortune and cant win
As for your friend, hang onto her as I suspect you dont have many. Why not introduce yourself to a few of the models I named, I suspect they would laugh at you, I know I do. Whats wrong with coming online and having fun..thats all I do.
“You will find none of these girls get paid…why?..because they dont work for CWS, they are given outfits after the show, and if you were to ask them then you will finf the do come cws for fun, and dont enter pageants. ”
Ok so let’s break down this statement made by DebbieDoo Tigerfish:
Models or potential prospects have to “enter” a current CWS “contest” i.e, PAGEANT to even get in and receive a company tag. This means they submit a photo and application to Anrol and/or Steve. If they chose the route of CWS’ university (cause they won’t win much over there if they don’t) then that will set them back $7000 lindens. True some models are lucky (or ultimately unlucky) to be sponsored. This means their tuition is paid for by another model. CWS has all sorts of rules to ensure the models tow the mark and the money continues to flow to Anrol’s personal bank account. The models are expected to perform a certain number of nightly styling events per week/per month or they are sent warnings they’ll be dropped by CWS. Styling events are total bogus. While at first they seem like “fun” if participants actually stopped and pondered the big picture they would realize they are spending loads of lindens on new outfits nightly to outwit the other models on what Debbie calls “creativity.” It’s become more like a circus over there or a costume ball. So if you don’t have deep pockets you’ll never win one of the lucrative nightly prizes (1st Place=$500, 2nd Place=$300, 3rd Place=$200 lindens). Of course everyone is reminded constantly in Anrol’s nightly opening speech about the wonderful and glorious pageant winners. So if you can stomach the fact they had more money to spend than you do and it’s continually being thrown in your face you might get through a nightly styling event without hurling.
A lot of the models will be asked to participate in a weekly fashion show where CWS sponsors (those designers and professionals who PAY CWS to have a shop in the CWS mall and/or advertise in the CWS magazine and video). This is all a big joke. If you travel around SL and especially in stores, malls and shops you are hard pressed to ever find a CWS kiosk! It’s mainly internal and all part of the ruse. Like the weekly fashion show, this is mainly attended by CWS staff, Anrol, Steve, the designer and friends and family of the models. There is virtually no outside exposure what so ever!!! So the models are given outfits by the designer. It’s up to them to style it and present it at the weekly fashion show. They spend hours trying to make the designer look good and more time practicing and even more time showcasing it. They’re NOT considered CWS staff as Debbie has pointed out so what do they get for all of this hard work? They get to keep the outfits. **Rolls with laughter** Now if this sounds like “fun” to anyone reading this, then by all means CWS is the place for you. You apparently don’t think your worth very much and haven’t done your homework about the other opportunities out there. Thanks Debbie for helping me make my points.
@ DebbieDoo I’m glad you are enjoying the hunt. It’s not a huge mystery. Yes, I am very close to one of the models there and have been encouraging her and some of her friends to leave CWS and that insanity. Regardless of how you spin it, CWS is pure drama, antics and completely one-sided in the financial favor of Anrol Anthony. If you actually did your homework the most reputable modeling organizations on SL (MVW, Maniera, Avenue, etc….) do not operate their “businesses” like CWS. They do not expect their models to PAY for their pageants. They actually EMPLOY and pay models to……MODEL!!!!! These other agencies DO make money, but not at the expense of the models with their company tags!!!! The mere fact you refuse to acknowledge this and continue to call CWS and their scam “fun” is the express reason you have become untrustworthy and you lack credibility. Either you’re very naive or you secretly endorse such machiavellian practices. You sound utterly ridiculous. So after the models put in hours of practice and work, modeling and showcasing CWS sponsors and their fashions they are rewarded with a free outfit? Wow, where do I sign up? If you can’t see the absurdity of the place you’re just lost and I have nothing more to say to you! You listed a number of models who don’t participate in pageants…..ah Debbie wake up! Quite a few of those models would LOVE to participate in the pageants and be a featured monthly Calendar model, but sadly and sensibly don’t/won’t shell out hundreds of thousands in lindens to enter!!!!! You sponsor, donate and buy some poses for models trying to “help” and provide assistance. Maybe you should talk to Anrol and try to make that dumb place legitimate or leave and take your philanthropy elsewhere (another agency).
@ O.o Anrol is very cunning and dupes these models from the outset. She makes them feel important and like she has taken a personal interest in them. Some just become obsessed chasing an elusive crown and keep convincing themselves they’ll win the next time, eventually they’ll be rewarded. Sadly, for most models this will never happen and when their eyes finally open to the scam and the manipulation, they’re out thousands of RL dollars. It’s pretty sick.
you quote You have even gone so far as to IM other professionals such as myself and read them out, on issues that are not your business!….
yet earlier you stated Actually DebbieDoo, I don’t know you very well. We have met a few times, while I was in attendance at CWS pageants and styling events
so which is true?
I think you are making up things about me as you go along, or maybe are friends with one or two of the drama ego’s in CWS . You do confuse me, but its fun working out who you are :))
Scamalert…your quote” Besides, the word is you give out “predictions” on who will win specific pageants and give exact placements (winner, 2nd runner up and so forth). Then ironically, you end up judging said pageant and the results are fairly spot on……”
which pageants have I ever done this on?
I have judged just 4, and only know who is in them a week or so before. I dont discuss with anyone
In fact in one pageant I had boosted one girl months before I became a trainer, I turned down being a judge for that reason.
When models in pageants ask me for advice or help, and I am a judge, I refuse them help.
Pageants are fun, but I dont ever ever cheat.
Please back this up with facts, as you know its untrue.
Why on earth would I do such a thing?
btw this isnt a drama, I dont know about ScamAlertLicious but I am not here ranting or getting angry with her, just answering her points.
ScamAlertLicious for someone who doesnt come into CWS very much as you claim you seem to know an aweful lot, and its touching that you talk about me to other models, I suspect you dont why would you?…or they? You should ask Mesange, Lua, Buterfly, Ariana,Blossom, etc if their opinion of me has changed in the last year, so before you start to have little digs, get your facts right. Also IM me in world, as you are obviously too devious to use your avi name in here. You will find none of these girls get paid…why?..because they dont work for CWS, they are given outfits after the show, and if you were to ask them then you will finf the do come cws for fun, and dont enter pageants. I pay all my lindens either to fund students, to help buy their poses or to help models who perhaps dont have lindens. So please before you judge me, get your facts right.
As for my predictions in IM at pageants who I think will be top 3, its actually is the kiss of death as I am always wrong, I suspect everyone who goes to a pageant does exactly the same thing. When I judge pageants I dont predict, but I do compare scores with other judges(after we have given scores to Anrol), and the placings reflect the scoring.
I tend to judge the cover magazine finale as it is my favourite, its free to enter and always such a lovely atmosphere. It is always hard to judge as the standard is high and the model with the most creativitty I choose. btw I do compare my scores with other judges too.
As for judging styling I do this one night a week, and you will find I tend to favour the model who is most creative, and also you will find I will often place new models top 3, as I believe in fairness and dont just judge on who hits dots or has spent most on poses,I will also the model who has been creative her own inventory, and not who spends most or who I like best.
I do accept that some nights when models are judging, on occasion friends are favoured, and when I was in styling with some models judging I often knew the top 3 before things started as they would be friends. I would like to think that this doesnt happen any more. As shows are on during my early mornings I dont tend to go to them, so dont know. However some models do tend to whine when they dont win, they tend to be pushy and agressive and self opinionated in IM, and although there are 3 or 4 of these, I would suspect they are the ones who whine to you as well. Its not about winning, its about taking part. For me first or last I dont care I have fun.
I announcce on Weds and everyone does have fun, attendance thatnight is getting higher, thats my goal, but not for money, but because everyone has a laugh, and thats the point of SL, enjoyment and fun. There are people in SL who run businesses and make money, every shop you go into is trying to sell something, so I am not sure what the big deal is, if owners of agencies, and I mean any owner, makes money. I dont care, its their business not mine. If for one moment I thought I was being scammed I would leave.
As for me getting annoyed at people picking on Nickle, read what I say. I am sure she has character flaws we all do, some of us are abrubt others overly generous others mix up rl with sl and think we are really models, we arent, its SL! All I am saying to anonomous is that criticising sim owners is one thing, crticising individuals no matter how popular or unpopular they are is just not right, its bullying
Scam if you want IM me inworld, I enjoy reading your contributions
What I really want to know is why these people pay all this money for pageant like this? Name me one recognized model that has come out from this type of scam.
I hope you think about this next time you drop another linden into your board.
This is ridiculous!
…..also DebbieDoo you keep mentioning the word “fun.” How much fun do you think it ends up being after all these models shell out hundreds of dollars only to come up empty handed? Or constantly being embroiled in CWS drama they wanted no part of? Do you think it is fun to have Anrol lose her cool and yell and embarrass a model at a practice when Anrol herself made the mistake? How much fun is it really over at CWS when 95% of the models with CWS tags make little or noting for all the money they have spent and their tireless efforts? Hmmm, you’re right sounds like a real blast over there.
Maybe staff on salary are having “fun.” Lord knows when Anrol converts those lindens into USD and transfers that $$$ into her RL bank account, she’s living it up. Not so much for the models though huh?
Actually DebbieDoo, I don’t know you very well. We have met a few times, while I was in attendance at CWS pageants and styling events. I do know that a lot of models really worshiped and trusted you and that has since changed not in your favor. I suppose you of all people would know why that is. Do you champion all of your models with the same intensity? Besides, the word is you give out “predictions” on who will win specific pageants and give exact placements (winner, 2nd runner up and so forth). Then ironically, you end up judging said pageant and the results are fairly spot on. With regards to “dictating” I would remind you of your own words:
“Anonymous you however are a disgrace. This site is for people to express opinions on Model Agencies, and those can be good or bad as they are how you feel. However to attack an individual like you did with Nickle is wrong.”
Whether you like it or not, Anonymous was expressing an opinion. Nickle S. rubs the other models the wrong way and while she may or may not be charitable and philanthropic, it isn’t translating across the board to her peers. She is abrupt, ultra-competitive and comes across as arrogant and rude. She may indeed be vastly misunderstood, but YOU come across as impartial when you constantly champion her cause. Perhaps you should try “training” her on how to appropriately treat and address others in social settings. You have even gone so far as to IM other professionals such as myself and read them out, on issues that are not your business! Too bad you are caught up in all of this CWS nonsense. You could actually probably benefit “real” and seasoned models elsewhere in SL and have even more “fun!”
to ScamAlertLicious, I dont dictate what anybody writes in here, and people can have their own opinions, and when written as well as yours leave the reader with a clear view of how you feel, and they can make up their own mind. I happen not to agree with you on everything, and ty for the kind words about our school.
btw I am impartial, I just come to sl as its fun, I am fairly sure we know each other, and if indeed we do, then you know that still to be true.
To say that I am involved in any sculdugery (sp) or involved in any scheme is way off. I donate 21k a month to sponsoring students, with Nickie Vervain I help significantly with funding her business but obviously will not disclose values. I was disappointed that she posted a private IM, but all that is in the past, people all make mistakes.
My biggest angst is people mentioning Nickle constantly. To them I say what somebody spends is their private business. If a friend is concerned that they are making a mistake then tell them privately, not broadcast it to the world.
April 2, 2011 at 6:38 pm
I know from first hand that all CWS contest/ pageants are rigged. Judges play favorites and if your not a ass kisser you will not win. They make a whole lot of money there and people winning the pageants are the worst models on the grid. Take a look at Nickle she is new but buys her way through the contests and pageants and throws fits if she doesnt get her way. She is not a model or even a lady. Its not CWS any more is the Nickle model agency LOL so she thinks. What an idiot to pay 400-600$ us money to place in a pageant. Can we say stupid! Plus to boot she is a neko thing thinking she is all that. I have watched people that should have won the pageants not win and people who have won i think OMG are they on drugs? How is a judge being fair if they vote for someone whom they made the gown for opr photographer picks best photogenic going to someone who they took the pictures of. Oh this is a good one too why would you let an active person in pageants be a judge ? Is that fair NO! I can gpo on for days i have seen , heard and know so much scandal there its not even funny”
I want to respond to this post directly because I think it goes to the heart of the “pageant” problems over at CWS. First to Anonymous, I get where you’re coming from and to a certain extent agree, however to say the winners “are the worst models on the grid” is a stretch and sounds more like sour grapes. There is incredible untapped model talent at CWS. Many of the models there are super creative, friendly and generous. It’s very sad to see them being duped and cajoled into this mockery of an SL modeling organization. Anrol is very cunning and spots the ones with money to spend and a great styling sense, then she lures them in. Anrol “takes them under her wing” and suggests they enter a contest. She might even say to one or two girls, “I want you to beat this other girl. She isn’t from OUR university and I want to see a CWS model win.” You almost feel obligated and wow Anrol is paying special attention to just you, so these models go all out to make her proud (spending lots of lindens makes her proud!) Then as time goes on Anrol personally IMs you to enter each and every contest, “You should do this one. You would be the best!” Then the little games with bidding she’ll tell a model they have it in the bag and then IM her minutes from the deadline and tell her (and a bunch of others), “You just got outbid. I don’t want to see you lose this. I know how much you wanted it.” Guess what you and scads of other models end up losing anyway. Eventually, she confides in you, some of her personal life (doubtful if any of it is really true. Many models have compared stories and have heard completely different versions of Anrol’s life from Anrol.) so you tell her some of yours. This is huge because Anrol is no dummy and a very acute business woman. She knows how to exploit your misfortunes and insecurities. Unfortunately, Nickle Sparrowtree has recently been the biggest victim of Anrol’s. Anrol identified Nickle’s ability or willingness to spend unlimited amounts of $$$ on anything Anrol throws her way! Nickle has such a deep seeded desire to feel adored and rewarded she was an easy mark for Anrol. She keeps Nickle very close and has practically brainwashed this girl. Anrol has constantly been feeding Nickle’s competitive nature and pushes her to continue pursuing these pageant crowns. What is so sick, Nickle has literally spent thousands upon thousands of real life dollars and has yet to win one lousy CWS virtual crown!!!! Anrol has her so screwed up, the more she loses the harder she tries and the more she spends! Geesh, Anrol should just give her one for Pete’s sake! She’s spent enough money keeping Anrol and Steve in the lap of virtual luxury!!! Hey Anrol, can’t you make something up? You do it all the time.
With regards to “rigging the pageants.” One of the main problems, Anrol is shady as hell and more concerned with keeping her sponsors (the few decent ones she has left), she adopts an anything goes policy with regards to designers and photographers and pageant participation. She does allow designers and photographers to work with pageant contestants. Because she is soooo short on any real judges, then allows those same designers and photographers to judge her pageant. It’s nuts!!! Let’s assume the designers and photographers are fair and impartial…how would “fixing the pageant” then be possible? Simple, Anrol “checks” all the judges results before the announcement is made (you know that horrible period of time where you’re subjected to the worst SL singer imaginable and then because Steve and the CWS University staff are tipping this sub-standard “entertainer” you throw in a few hundred more lindens in tips). Yes, it’s absolutely true Anrol receives all the judges score card and then “reviews” them to make sure they were “done correctly.” Hmmm, the judges don’t compare with one another so here is where Anrol can decide for herself who should or who will win each pageant. Lately, she has had to be more careful because more and more contestants have been requesting their scorecards.
Let’s just hope enough people wake up, leave the crazy mind cult that is CWS and stop drinking Anrol’s Kool-Aid. She really needs to be shut down and CWS gone for good. There are tons and tons of legitimate agencies and schools who DO NOT practice a “modeling business” this way. Models aren’t expected to pay for everything. In fact, THEY are paid for their hard work, dedication and creativity!!! Shame on you Anrol, you’re truly despicable and very very very greedy!
First, @ Debbie you have lost any and all impartiality. It’s really sad to see. You are now complicit in the overall CWS scheme. Furthermore, you have no right dictating what, when and how people post on here! You had your say and most readers aren’t buying it.
• “Name the Dress After You” = approx. $500, $1000 and up depending on how many you purchase
• Nightly styling event (not held every night of every month) = $1000 payout total to 1st, 2nd & 3rd Place winners (who btw spent way more than that on their outfits to even compete).
• CWS “sponsored” pageants same thing….you pay CWS enormous amounts of money to outbid other models and “make top 10.” Then you get to spend tons more money on everything else (costumes, poses, dances and pictures). And once again you get a crown (whoopdie doo), a trophy (fugly) and a featured photo (again fairly insane).
I hate CWS period end of story :D
OMG the drama that is here over CWS if you don’t like it move on. Don’t keep feeding the crap.
I just want to say that any reputable modeling agency should not be asking the models for money or have pay to vote contests. A reputable agency gets their money by doing shows or print ads, blogs and through their schools/academies. They actually pay the models, not the other way around. It is true that if you put CWS in your resume, it will do more harm than good. Take a look at the Supermodels in SL, do you even see one with CWS in their resume? Anyway, this is just my opinion. As long as you are happy, then do what you want. Just want to clarify that you don’t need to pay money to belong in an agency.
btw fyi when u become a staff member you are withdrawn from all pageants you are in, with the exception of the calendar one.
Its part of the deal, and as you get paid its only fair.
When I judge, I judge for creativity first and then everything that follows. We dont pretend to be what we arent. We are online models, not rl ones, we are here for fun, and although in a finale I am tough on poses and dot stopping and good styling etc, I do put creativity first. I dont show favouratism, and only judge in smaller competitions as I know all our models closely and given the size of prizes thats absolutely correct .Also we will have 3 or 4 independant judges for independance, so best wins.
Most of all though we have fun, and thats reflected in the number of people who come to styling, and pageants and fashion shows. If you dont like us, dont come :))
Anyway this is my last post here
Love Debbie xoxo
I may have not been happy with Nicki posting an IM, but at least she doesnt hide as Anonymous.
She is also entitled to have an opinion, even if I disagree with it.
She was also good enough to apologise for posting an IM. She does not however have to say sorry for her views and in no way was I asking her to.
I also like Nicki, she made a mistake and its over. No drama
Anonymous you however are a disgrace. This site is for people to express opinions on Model Agencies, and those can be good or bad as they are how you feel. However to attack an individual like you did with Nickle is wrong. If you dont like someone then mute them. She did see what you wrote and was upset, and I hope you are ashamed of yourself. It may sound boring, but behind every avi is a person, and you should treat them like you want to be treated yourself. I do hope we know each other, and although I have no idea who you are, it would be nice if you could introduce yourself, as muting you and removing you from CWS will give me a nice warm glow inside
I agree with Nicki
I am sorry Anrol Anthony for copying and pasting our conversation without your permission.
Lets get a few things straight.
Nicki seems good at copy and pasting IMs.
CWS is about fun, creativity and confidence.
Its a business too, but so what, nobody is forced to participate, and frankly if you dont like it then leave. However dont whine one and on that other agencies look down on us.
Who cares…All I know is everynight during the week we have a fun styling, each weekend a rather lovely fashion show, and at the end a youtube shoot for 3 lucky winners, and also the most fun dance. I dont know other agencies who do this, perhaps they do, but I love being at CWS, and would not dream of criticising these other places, I choose to stay at CWS as Anrol made my dreams come true.
Nicki I wont waste time explaining that you have your own agency, where oddly you dont employ models, where you have had picture boards, and you even have stylings. Good luck to you I hope it goes well
I am sure you posted in here to look in a good light, and come across as the saviour of all models in SL. I think you will find that the top models in SL dont look down on many people. I would be sure that if they saw models of all abilities having fun that they would be happy for that girl, and certainly not look down on her.
Do girls have to change their resume as it has CWS on it?…well if they were any good perhaps not. Models are selected on abaility at castings, and the best agencies look at the girl not the resume.
Nicki you were taught at CWS for free, I sponsored you, so it hurts to see you writing such nasties.
As for the nasty comments I read about Nickle Sparrowtree by a nameless contributor. So Nickle spends her own money on things she want, what is the big deal. How is it your business? You have no idea how Nickle helps other girls, yet doesnt broadcast these things. She has not yet won a crown with CWS, but despite her disappointment is always the first to congratulate the winner, but strangely is met with silence when her name is announced. People are jealous of her, in a way I am too as she has a dear kind heart and is always there for her
friends, if I was half the person she is then indeed I would be happy.
No doubt people will have a dig at me as I am CWS COO, all I can say to them is go ahead, suggest that I made it as far as I did as I piled money into CWS, or creep around Anrol. Its untrue. I am not the best model, and have no cares if non CWS look down their nose at me, I got on well, as I get on personally with Anrol and Steve. I stay at CWS as it is fun. If people want to mock that then fine, as it will not change how I feel.
Love Debbie xoxoxox
I send the following to Anrol Anthony the owner of CWS:
I want to start off by saying that I honestly do enjoy working at CWS and love all the people there. But I must be honest as you have always told me you want the truth so here it is. I honestly think the way you are running your business is hurting my fellow models. You make them pay L$7000 for your apparently “Best model agency in SL” which isn’t the case to be a model at your agency. After that, they are required to work for you to keep their certificate which I find completely unfair. And once they work for you, they must actually pay you to be working for you? That is… just not logical to me at all. And below is proof that you do make them pay to work for you…
In your contract it clearly states:
➋ To be a model here – you will need to join to one of our active photo contest here in order for you to be eligible to be in our free contest we offer and this is a must.
You have clearly stated to me that to be in your photo contests we must get our boards paid a certain amount of money each week.
To me it seems as CWS is a completely different industry than the model industry as if CWS is in it’s own world. You do not do much work that other model agencies do and most of the work that you do is actually looked down upon in the modeling industry.
So in conclusion, I cannot be a model for your agency anymore. I am very sorry but It is honestly giving me a bad reputation in the model industry being your model. I beg of you to not take any of the above offensively or personally and I hope I may still visit CWS so I can see my friends and participate in stylings from time to time.
A few moments after that Anrol IMs me:
“[10:38] Anrol Anthony: How dare u to say this to me
[10:38] Anrol Anthony: Models here are not the staffs for CWS, they dont work for us.. Only paying staffs here that work for CWS. You dont know what you are talking about for saying these accusation about me and my business. My staffs here do get paid, models here are up to them to stay if they want to be in our runway, yes they do get free outfit from top designers here.. FYI I do now charge my designers here to do fashion show.
We hope you will all understand that this is a business and to remain a business, we must make a profit, however, it is also our goal to make modeling fun and something you will all enjoy.
Now do tell me who does this in secondlife give away 300,000 linden guaranted either we made up that money or not – meaning not all the time we can raise that money monthly and on top of that we give 5,000L weekly and thats 20,000 lindens monthly to our styling .
So how dare you to accuse me with these things and you dont dare know what you are talking about. I paid staffs salaried here more than 100,000L monthly
[10:38] Anrol Anthony: to top of that Steve and I spend tons of hours to worked hard here for nothing.
[10:40] Nicki Vervain: trust me
[10:40] Nicki Vervain: alot of agencies spend more many then that
[10:40] Nicki Vervain: ur not the best
[10:40] Nicki Vervain: ur one of the most hated
[10:40] Nicki Vervain: http://agencyreport.wordpress.com/classic-with-style/#comment-7566
[10:41] Nicki Vervain: i tried to tell u nicely but of course u have to blow up
[10:42] Nicki Vervain: i know too many people who were hurt by u
[10:42] Nicki Vervain: including me
[10:42] Anrol Anthony: i dotn give a shit with these ppl blog saying these shit about my business .. and where are they now
[10:42] Anrol Anthony: people say those hated things because they are ignorant
[10:43] Nicki Vervain: no
[10:43] Nicki Vervain: people say those things because they want to be heard and warn people of ur business
[10:44] Nicki Vervain: an di also suggest u stop lying to ur models unless u want to be bit right back
[10:45] Anrol Anthony: i nevered lied to my models
[10:45] Nicki Vervain: oh really?
[10:45] Nicki Vervain: “Best model agency in sl”
[10:45] Nicki Vervain: who says?
[10:46] Anrol Anthony: yes we are best agency here
[10:46] Anrol Anthony: nicki cut ur bs
[10:46] Anrol Anthony: u have so many avs in sl
[10:46] Anrol Anthony: to play games
[10:46] Anrol Anthony: i dotn have time for ur bull shiot
[10:47] Nicki Vervain: i have 1 now and 1 only hunny
[10:47] Nicki Vervain: and this is hte only one
[10:47] Nicki Vervain: and again, who says?
[10:47] Nicki Vervain: this is not bull shit
[10:47] Nicki Vervain: im trying to warn u
[10:48] Nicki Vervain: u will be put down eventually
[10:48] Nicki Vervain: u and ur business
[10:48] Anrol Anthony: gees u dont scared me a bit
[10:49] Anrol Anthony: You have been ejected from ‘!!!**Classic w/ Style Fashion**!!!’ by Anrol Anthony.
[10:49] Anrol Anthony: You have been ejected from ‘!*CLASSIC GLAMOUR W/ STYLE MAGZ*!’ by Anrol Anthony.
[10:49] Anrol Anthony: You have been ejected from ‘**Famous Celebrity**Beauty&Fashion ‘ by Anrol Anthony.
[10:49] Nicki Vervain: i have no intentions to scare u
[10:49] Nicki Vervain: but i am guessing ur too scared to admit ur not the bbest model agency
[10:49] Nicki Vervain: and that nobody said that
[10:49] Anrol Anthony: muted
[10:49] Nicki Vervain: thats great hun
[10:50] Nicki Vervain: have a nice second life”
(sigh) It’s really too bad no1 can put a stop to the “Best Model Agency in SL”
I just want to add a little two cents here as I was a victim of their little group and found out that they have NO respect for anybody not even when my partner IM’d Anrol to say I had crashed she told him “I dont’ know you and I don’t care to know you so don’t IM me”. This is a lady who says “I started this school cuz I saw how hard it was to become a model in SL” but yet she’s never been a model in SL I mean I don’t see her talking about her experiences etc but I have to say I fell for the contests and ended up spending 2k twice to BE in their magazine YES FOLKS you have to pay to be in their little magazine that I have to say since moving on to better agencies I have yet to see their little magazine that they say are seen by millions of SL viewers (hmmm…ponders…laughs).
But my most recent little thing was I had a friend and past instructor (yes I knew she was with them but it was not their school I was attending) ask me to come vote for her…I didn’t know it at the time it was one of their contests well I get there and bring my partner and two of her friends are there as well I can’t find her picture they say things like PreciousSSexy etc and she finally says that it’s the one with the red words saying “restoring” well she calls in ya guess it Anrol and Steve and the first words out of their mouths are “YOU HACKED IT” yes that’s right couldn’t even admit that a script could have gone wrong they continued to accuse her of hacking cuz (even her friends said it was messed up and even my partner was telling Anrol and Steve he was getting such things) I quote from Anrol “This happened once last year so I know what I am talking about and you are sabotaging it”. This poor girl was like I get this box on every board here and both continued to say you can’t Anrol can’t even only I (Steve) can etc and she would show them pictures to show the proof and all they could do was say she was a hacker and she asked them to prove it well I had to leave SL at this time but got a report from my partner…WELL cuz we were there and I guess cuz we know this person we are now BANNED from CWS…OMG…NO…OH YES!!!!! Thank you GOD I don’t have to even go there by accident…I have long left this little petty money grabbers behind and gone on to better things…But I hope this will show that they will only look out for themselves and can never admit they might have made a mistake…OH did I mention she was reporting this girl as a hacker to LL…ummm don’t ya have more important things like how you kept saying you would have to check the Linden transactions to confirm what she had or hadn’t paid (as she was in 5th place according to her at 10L a vote)…umm concerned about Lindens I SEE….well enough on this…just know that not all is peachy there and if ya don’t play by their rules or even if ya on their sim you can and will be banned for things you had nothing TO DO WITH!!!!! So let it be known.
They are a very irresponsible and unprofessional group and magazine. We found that a lady was featured in their CWS magazine. The lady provided false information in her profile that she was a model of us and a finalist of our contest. We contacted both the lady and Anrol about the wrong details and requested for a change. She did not even care aobut that and said we should feel PROUD that someone mentioned our name there.
After our complaint, we were told that they still introduced that lady as our model and a finalist. Shame on them.
I know from first hand that all CWS contest/ pageants are rigged. Judges play favorites and if your not a ass kisser you will not win. They make a whole lot of money there and people winning the pageants are the worst models on the grid. Take a look at Nickle she is new but buys her way through the contests and pageants and throws fits if she doesnt get her way. She is not a model or even a lady. Its not CWS any more is the Nickle model agency LOL so she thinks. What an idiot to pay 400-600$ us money to place in a pageant. Can we say stupid! Plus to boot she is a neko thing thinking she is all that. I have watched people that should have won the pageants not win and people who have won i think OMG are they on drugs? How is a judge being fair if they vote for someone whom they made the gown for opr photographer picks best photogenic going to someone who they took the pictures of. Oh this is a good one too why would you let an active person in pageants be a judge ? Is that fair NO! I can gpo on for days i have seen , heard and know so much scandal there its not even funny
What a strange email address for someone who clearly does care is some way or another. Classic W/Style staff is not allowed to enter a pageant unless he or she was enrolled in one prior to his or her promotion to staff. If you were a staff member and were able to win back those hard earned lindens, why call it rigged now? Probably would have had more credibilty had you refused back in your day. Oh by the way thanks for asking. The weather is fine here, but whether or not you choose to participate in the pageants is all on you. What does beg a question is the motive of certain judges. One judge gave her store manager top scores in a recent pageant and, by those scores, gave her a most undeserving spot in the overall results. Too bad her store manager was mediocre, at best, in this particular pageant. So perhaps this is the “staff” you are speaking about? Unfortunate because it is things like this that fuel the CWS fire.
I have been through classic with style and they are so fake. Not to say names but I worked there at one time or another and Anrol and Steve would have us placed in contest and they would have it rigged where we as staff members would win. To collect everyone’s money.
Can we say SCAM…SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your choice of weather or not you want to get into.
Thanks for sharing.
Stop begging for Anrol and some “dead” SL model’s foundation.
Maybe you weren’t hurt, lots of others have been.
Read down through this thread and you’ll hear some stories that might open your eyes.
This says it best for me:
“To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.”
~ Abraham Lincoln
Well, Since I have seen my name posted I would like state a couple of facts that I know for sure from personal experience.
1.When I became involved with Classic W/ Style, everyone has been kind and courteous. I have not heard any negativity about any competitors or people.
2.Yes I spent 25L to enter a contest but I have earned points and Linden values to place me in the top ten for some pageants. I have never experienced any pressure on spending lindens however, some people do spend to get where they want to be. I feel that it is their business just like in RL.
3.I was sponsord into their modeling University because I could not afford tuition. Like most modeling schools in SL they also charge to attend their school and have not so far heard of any other Modeling School with a sponsor program.
4.Any contest I was in and placed, I was paid immediately for my winnings.
So you see, I am quite puzzled at these comments and do not understand why Nave Fall has made this a priorty on trashing Classic W/ Style? So I am confused as to the intensity against Anrol and Steve.
ladysunfire Erin: hello…….. I am not sure that you remember me from Moolto but I have a request…I was wondering if you would like to donate to the Celina Langer Fund… She was one of our models that in RL was a model also but tragically she was beaten and two months later passed away . The monies used will go into the fund to sponsor anyone for our CWS university on model training. If you could dontate any lindens that would be super in memory of Celina Langer :)
and then there’s this request:
[19:07] Zigrich Zsigmond: hi there, how are you, can you vote for me is only 25L to vote and thank you so much read nc please thx ..
Ya gotta love Anrol’s antics: Dead model’s funds to sponsor other models who have no money – wahhhh wah wah and the never-ending pay to vote contests. You ‘d think someone whose been around as long as the Zigman would have caught on by now
What’s next? Maybe the poor dead RL model’s RL family needs to pay for the funeral expenses? Where’s Andryjze when we need him?
Whenever I see notices from these guys about some contest or another I always avoid them. Thanks for the info.
I’m sure lots of people have Anrol Anthony and Classic With Style/Hollywood Walk of Fame stories to tell.
I’ve begun writing an article about Anrol and Steve and their various scams, which are continuously perpetrated upon the SL modeling community. My purpose is to get the word out and to save people from investing L$100,000s in meaningless pageants and events.
If you have a story you want to tell, or conversely, if you’d want to defend her and tell the other side I’d like to chat with you. It can be on, or off, the record, your choice.
Not surprisingly Anrol has refused to my invitation to a chat.
I’ve blogged the attempted takeover, by the Trollboy, Vic Zuzu, of the Make Him Over hunts brand yesterday at my new blog (which hasn’t had a menswear post yet)
Actually I’ve made a hobby out of trashing Anrol Anthony and Classic With Style. She and her ilk prey upon the inexperienced and weak………. I think it’s incumbent on those of us who are more informed to pull the sheets on scammers, spammers and frauds like Anrol and company.
I’m told it’s starting to work too and none too soon.
Anytime Anrol wants to defend herself in public I’m sure we can arrange to get her on an SL radio or TV show where WE can debate it……. Consider that an open challenge to explain the value of what you do Anrol.
I have a new blog of my own btw – http://menswearsl.wordpress.com/
WOW! Do you people not have anything better to do than talk bad and trash other people on here? Your facts are wrong and people you speak of don’t even know you and never met you. What a poor excuse for a life you have. Does it make you feel better about yourself to talk bad about others? Now you feel good about you? WOW such a loser!
I wonder made me curious who Chris Crocker was. I miss things like this because I have a RL.
Chris Crocker lays it on the line……………
How F*****g dare anyone out there make fun of Anrol after all she has been through.!
Comment on Anrol: Yeah all the other people’s money she goes through after scamming them
She lost her aunt, she went through a divorce. She had two F*****g kids.
Comment on Anrol: Wahhhhh wah wah
Her husband turned out to be a user, a cheater, and now she’s going through a custody battle. All you people care about is….. readers and making money off of her.
Comment on Steve: He’s her alt BFD
SHE’S A HUMAN! (ah! ooh!) What you don’t realize is that Anrol is making you all this money and all you do is write a bunch of crap about her.
Comment on Anrol She’s a virus, a toxic, predatory, self-inflicting spammer
She hasn’t performed on stage in years. Her song is called “give me more” for a reason because all you people want is MORE! MORE-MORE, MORE: MORE!.
Comment on Anrol Why perform when you can get suckers to contribute voluntarily to support your SLife
LEAVE HER ALONE! You are lucky she even performed for you BASTARDS!
Comment on Anrol: More people are catching on now. She’s not going to allowed to continue to prey on the unwittingly stupid. It’s time for a new scam the sheets have been pulled on this on Anrol.
LEAVE ANROL ALONE!…..Please.
Perez Hilton talked about professionalism and said if Anrol was a professional she would’ve pulled it off no matter what.
Comment: Wahhhhhhhh wahhhh wah
Speaking of professionalism, when is it professional to publicly bash someone who is going through a hard time.
Comment: In this case it’s a PUBLIC SERVICE
Leave Anrol Alone Please…. ! Leave Anrol Anthony alone!…right now!….I mean it.!
Comment: Wahhhhhhhh wahhhh wah – go to your room
Anyone that has a problem with her you deal with me, because she is not well right now.
Comment on Anrol: Wahhhhhhhh wahhhh wah She’s not well because she’s been BUSTED
LEAVE HER ALONE!
Comment: Hopefully EVERYONE will leave her alone soon
Really, all the “contests” run by these crooks should be renamed “The Super Duper Contest”
Linden Labs could easily unravel this is they want to. They can see which alts belong to who and how the $Lindens move around easily. It’s simply a matter of employing a bit of forensic accounting all the information is there.
As far as “Make It Work” goes there’s still a couple of days for you to enter the August one. If you’re so good you can win, without investing anything except some creativity (and I’m sure you think you’re brilliant and a wit), so Make It Work if you can. I’m told it’s fun.
Anrol has all the feelings of a common cold virus. Her feelings, about now, are panic that her scam is going to come down around her ears and she’s going to have to get a real job instead of preying on simple-minded suckers like you. The designers who rent space on her sim are being contacted one by one I’m told, by someone smarter then I am btw, and having Anrol’s scam explained to them. That might hit her where it hurts too
I don’t sneak either…………like Garrett I boldly go where I want to. I’ll drink with Garrett and Dolce on this one…….. Make mine Dewar’s
The last poster, “Leave Anrol Alone!” makes me think of Chris Crocker’s plea to “Leave Britney (Spears) Alone!!!”…
Just a thought…but couldn’t you see a Chris Crocker look-alike making a video like that???
To Nave who stupidly posted this in the DEJAVOGUE section:
“The question of the day is simple.
Assuming Classic With Style et al’s “contests” are rigged, which I’d stipulate to, how would one go about reporting it to Linden Labs in a way that would catch their attention and catalyze a violent reaction that would “P U N I S H” Anrol and Steverino in a way that gets there attention, in other words cuts this crap off, once and for all?
I’d like to hear some ideas for communal action that might accomplish that end. Hell I’d spend some cash to do it…………
You can’t because it’s not true. In order to nail someone you need proof. Not assumptions that you stipulate to, but actual proof. You’re just jealous because you hadn’t thought up what CWS does yourself. You spam in-world groups and *this website* about that silly “Make It Work” contest as well as your unfunny little comments. How is that any better than what Anrol does? You have many avs Nave and sneak around where you’re not wanted, including CWS sim. Quit harassing Anrol. She has feelings too. Leave her alone. Get your ugly white-haired av out of SL.
“this has more to do with being swindled into quasi fame via a contest which you pay for to win, but can’t actually win because the contest is rigged and everyone in top place is an alt of Anrols and Steves, who happen to self fund their alts win’s with unsuspecting peoples money.”
*takes the shot and downs it relentlessly.* ;)
*pours Nave, Garrett and I a few shots*
There’s your shot, Garrett. Enjoy! ;-)
Ohh…. *smacks Nave around a few times*
I have entrusted everyone with my credibility so much within SL that I chose to use my RL first name as my SL first name. If you are unaware of what the meaning of “Garrett” is, It means, brave spear. As in, you can throw anything my way, and I will shamelessly take a shot at it. =)
To “I love Anrol”,
You have to be joking right? It’s one thing to be an actual sore loser when you’re in a FAIR contest. It’s another when your money is being embezzled. And the rules are meaningless if they are constantly changed to benefit crooked behavior.
In regard to your statement about why anyone should believe me? I really could care less if anyone does, I am pretty satisfied at the moment not shoveling any money into someones pockets in return for harassment and bamboozlement. My comment is less of a plead and more of a warning, because I do not wish any of the experiences I’ve had with this “agency” on other helpless people. And it’s very enlightening to know I’m a punk in comparison to you, when in fact i’m brave enough to use my SL name, and not my kiss ass name. About the last time I have modeled, well, this has nothing to do with actual models, this has more to do with being swindled into quasi fame via a contest which you pay for to win, but can’t actually win because the contest is rigged and everyone in top place is an alt of Anrols and Steves, who happen to self fund their alts win’s with unsuspecting peoples money.
Whats different about this being something people decide to throw their money away on? Well, you see, you get nothing in return. lol. No real person has a chance to win any of their contests until an investigation is taking place. When that happens, then someone of actual existence will maybe win.
Really, I find your comment to be filled with distaste and ignorance holding NO credibility whatsoever solely based on the fact that you are so concerned with the amount of “modeling” I’ve done. It’s very laughable. Any modeling I’ve done is of no concern to anyone in this matter, much like the self assertion within your opinion.
There is nothing you could possibly add that would make me believe otherwise, and you can reply to whatever you want out of utter self importance and over glorification of an otherwise disqualified subject, but I DO NOT value bullshit. You may, and others might, but I do not.
With all that money…could Anrol be the nice and generous person a few people make her out to be and pay MY tier too? I swear she’ll still have enough of that scammed…I mean, hard earned money to take home and pay her own tier and yeah…
“Steve and Anrol don’t make any money from CWS”
Aisha Ormega has paid L$202 000
Candylicious Foster L$170 000
KiraLyn Destiny L$100 000
Jasmine Loening L$62 000
L$534,000 = about $2,200US.
Where’s L$434,000 going to go?
Ohh right to pay THEIR tiers.
Anyone who feeds their addiction to Anrol Anthony’s and Classic With Style’s scams at this point deserves to be ridiculed for their stupidity not moaned over. Sorry I’ve explained to some of them how they are being RAPED and laughed at and they still go along with it willingly. It’s amazing………….
Serene Garnet of Pasarella Modeling is just as bad with the Miss Pasarella contest.
That’s all yesterday’s news
To “love anrol”
Did you hear the normal people pay tiers working or changing money by credit card?
“I noticed one of the contestants show up with NO ONE ELSE around come “pay” their board once and suddenly the vote count increased by 10…”
And WHY should anyone believe YOU, you punk? How much modeling have YOU done lately? Anrol Anthony is a lovely lady and does not deserve any of this abuse on this website. Steve and Anrol don’t make any money from CWS. Never heard of paying tier? The contests need to be FUNDED, you know. The rules are stated explicitly in a notecard. Everything is true blue. People spend money on all kinds of things in SL, how is CWS any different? Why can’t Anrol post her contest spam as much as anyone else on model looking for work or whatever.
Sore losers everywhere!
Normally I don’t like to slander others, but there is an exception here. Anrol is such a scammer, so much so that “scam artis”t isn’t quite fitting enough, as there is no art to what she (he?) does.
The first and LAST pay contest I ever entered was Anrols concoction. I noticed one of the contestants show up with NO ONE ELSE around come “pay” their board once and suddenly the vote count increased by 10… So I confronted the person asking her (probably a contest failsafe) and immediately I get harassed by Anrol and her “partner”. They ejected me from the group and banned me from their sim, and ran with the money. All the while leaving the photo up.
I began investigating and questioning other contestants if they felt something was up and most of them agreed and they have textual evidence from the mastermind behind it all.
And wouldn’t you know it, some kiss up went to Anrol and told that I was questioning the contestants, so she sent out a group notice about me claiming that I was a griefer and that I was trying to steal peoples money by putting prims in front of peoples boards, which wasn’t even possible because rez wasn’t allowed there! She made a huuge mistake by doing that with my partner still in the group. And to top it all off, Anrol had the nerve to ask my partner to join another contest after the fact. Crazy much?
She is deranged if she thinks people will keep putting up with that. I have noticed her posting useless notices in other groups which I won’t name and it makes me roll my eyes every time, as I have a low tolerance for people like her. I can’t believe people even let her have notice posting group abilities.
I was chatting with a former Anrol Anthony victim today.
[15:06:22] Anonymous chatter: there´s a contest going on at CWS, Aisha Ormega has paid L$202 000, Candylicious Foster L$170 000 and KiraLyn Destiny L$100 000…..
[15:06:45] Anonymous chatter: hahaha….they must be crazy
[15:07:59] Anonymous chatter: and Jasmine Loening L$62 000
[15:08:57] Anonymous chatter: I guess first prize is 100 000…..so they are really good at their mathematics….lol
I find this just astounding…………… unless Candylicious Foster is an Anrol Anthony alt.
Gotta love this
Maybe you need a 12 step program
1. We admitted we were powerless over Anrol Anthony and Classic With Style —that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to people addicted to Anrol Anthony’s nonsense, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
or maybe you just need to realize that it’s all about the money to her and that she is laughing at all of you. Every day. She’s saying to herself “What idiots these people are! SL is wonderful” and continuing to spam away.
Maybe if people were contacting the designers who support her with shows, and by renting on her sim, and asking why they support her while she preys on models that might hit her where it hurts in the wallet.
Do the people who actually win these contests like Didier Rascon, Candylicious Forster, June Fall, Cieleste Magic, Aisha Ormega, Emma Altstatter, Lisana Rossen, etc. etc. etc. think that they fell for a scam? Would you IM any of these people in-world and tell them they are not really models and that all they did was win a photo contest? I am stuck in CWS and part of me wants to quit the whole thing because I will never have enough money to win anything there, but then I see others winning, I get jealous and I want it too, so I stay and put more money in my pic that I could probably be spending somewhere else. It is a vicious cycle.
I still thinking why “classic with style” could have followers….
if you want to model go and learn from the best, On Sl we have lot of good schools : Avenue, Evane, Glance, MVW, SuperElite (the most important btw)
and if you want really get involved in the big “Fashion Circus” do it but following the best and not the “beast”
adiva – good post
You are dead on the money. Classic With Style, Anrol Anthony et al are PREDATORS who prey upon the innocent.
As far as it being modeling, as you say, it has nothing to do with modeling at all.
I’d like to chat with you in-world at some point if you’re comfortable with that idea
I’ve come to the conclusion that relentless ridicule is the answer to Anrol’s spam. I also noticed that her chat privileges on Models Looking For Work were rescinded recently (the mod who did that knows who she is – thank you) that’s a significant step in limiting Anrol’s spamabilities.
As far as threatening me, personally, or ridiculing me goes – good luck with that. I will INSTANTLY AR every threat I receive in-world without a second’s thought.
From the Classic with Style University website we supply some comments:
University of Classic W/ Style Modeling School
This is the modeling school that you should be in SL!
(God help us)
3 weeks to be great Model in Sl, only here because
We are Simply the Best!
****What can we Offer for you?****
You’re going to tell us aren’t you? If we pay you will you just STU please?
>>>>Exposure in second life.
Where? Who? You better not expose your stuff to us – pervert
>>>>>From amateur avatar into pro model.
Yesserday you couldn’t spel model today you r one
>>>>>>>Simply the Best techniques in modeling
The best techniques circa 2008 that is
>>>>>>>>>Certified Diploma on graduation day.
Certified Toilet paper you mean (not Charmin either)
>>>>>>>>>>Graduation toga gown.
Free Free Free – optional glitchpants L$300
You will be a famous fashion model after graduation.
Famous on the planet of here’s too much of my money Anrol
More wisecracks later check back
The issue, here, is not about being a pay to vote contest, being illegal or not.
I’m talking about modeling in SL. This is not modeling, sorry to inform you. Not at all.
Someone is taking financial advantage of the recent “birth” of so many models in SL.
Everybody can decide where to spend their money; in a contest like this or training in a well established model academy.
The issue is: do people want to take modeling in SL seriously? Cause if you do, my advice is NOT to join any kind of pay-to-vote contest.
This is not modeling. Grab your money and take your time to find a good model academy and that’s the best thing to do.
People wouldn’t be so harsh on this if these kind of contests weren’t called “modeling contests” cause they are not.
Anyway, why does a model in SL need contests like this for?
edited for clarity
“[Nave Fall] is about as cool as your average, corrupt, public official or crackdealer. [His endless opinions] exploit the uninformed amongst us by commenting relentlessly on AgencyReport and annoying its readers. Why would anyone want to listen to [his]..self-serving, predatory, and vain business model critiques…Nave Fall..is the equivalent of emotional terrorism. [He] inflicts [him]self on young, model wannabees doggedly, pitilessly, and ruthlessly using innuendo and ambiguity to disagree with their posts..trying to suck them in…………and rape their [minds] until they’re [empty].
Nave, Nave, Nave…
Knowing what you claim to know, [if you have never]…been there yourself, makes [every single one of your ]comment[s] even more mysterious to me.
Why wouldn’t you want [Nave] stopped so she/he doesn’t [annoy or irritate others by worthless and endless criticism]…of others. Seems like that would be a worthy way to look at it…………..
Admittedly, if people willingly drink [Nave’s] Kool-Aid it’s their choice but… simply [letting Nave post red herrings, hasty generalizations, and his ever present straw man is] NOTHING OF VALUE… If I haven’t made my position CRYSTAL clear yet I’ll be MORE EXPLICIT. I’d like to see [Nave Fall] and all [of his fallacies]…out of the [AgencyReport] modeling and fashion business posts. I don’t care if he likes me or not.”
It’s simple really. Separating Anrol and Steve from what they do at to people at Classic with Style is not possible.
Just because it’s not ILLEGAL doesn’t mean it’s okay. The TOS and Community Standards are not explicit enough when it comes to things like “Pay To Vote” contests. So sorry, it’s unethical and immoral as far as I am concerned and if creating a bit of a stink in here is what it takes to get people involved in developing a solution I can live with a that.
also when people ask about agency or whatever you want to call classic with style i dont even mention it. it not a name i throw out there to upcoming models who trying to get into the modeling business, one of my friends said she was in it, i told her about it, and i direct her to another agency as a matter of fact,
So Nave just because i dont have anything bad to say about a person in itself doesn’t mean i agree with the concept of what there doing.I read about the different agency up here and some have good things to say and other’s have bad things to say but i dont base my opinion on what there saying, i would have to see for myself about the agency or about the person that is what i base my facts on, on how they really act when am around.Ok am done on this subject:)0
Nave.. Nave .. Nave ..did i say i agree with it? its the people who go there choice if they want to be involve with classic with style,others can only tell about there experience, I repeat I dont suck up to anyone, Not you not anyone up on SL,i dont have a problem with Anrol the person, even if i dont like what classic with style is about, alot people have things to say about you, but to me your a cool guy even if some feel the way they do about you, i dont base my opinion on you for what they say. Ok?i was in classic with style Yes, i know what it was about, and i dont fill it was right for others, who didnt have the chance to really make to the top.You keep saying is not illegal to do it, So what can you do about it?The only thing ,I can do is explain to people what it is about, people say alot of things about people do i judge them on what other say NO!
I Disagree here on this Statement
by Nave Fall
Nave ,Son My Wife is Involved with Classic With Style & not sure what your missing here, but they are what they Claim to be “Simply the Best” We Have been to other “Modeling Venues” if we can Properly Call them this, and the outcome of the Matter is what we are seeing on this Site “Unprofessional”, perhaps you do like drama that’s great & happy for you ,but I doubt you will see Drama with Classic with Style, so my point to you here Son is get all your facts in order, I have seen Classic with Style and they are Not what you Claim.
Being a Professional teaching Kids in School ,I have to say ,they act more mature then most of you.
Last dabble Son When you get to her Class Caliber Stage give me call, I will Gladly Bring my Wife to Visit as for now I don’t think so. We are Happy.
I will Give them a Star ;)
I’m just “Not” Bless his Heart.
Caff, Caff, Caff………….
Sorry I couldn’t disagree more with your comment that Anrol Anthony is cool. Anrol Anthony is about as cool as your average, corrupt, public official or crackdealer. She, and her ilk, exploit the uninformed amongst us by spamming, relentlessly, and conning their hapless victims. Why would you suck up to her by saying that?
Her self-serving, predatory, and vain, business model ( I hope that was enough adjectives for all of you btw) is the equivalent of emotional terrorism. Anrol inflicts herself on young, model wannabees doggedly, pitilessly, and ruthlessly (have some more adjectives) using innuendo, and ambiguity, to suck them in…………and rape their wallets till they’re empty.
I admit that using “pay to vote” boards isn’t illegal in SL but in my opinion it’s immoral and HIGHLY unethical. The fact that you, Caffinelover, consider it to be “cool”, and seemingly, endorse Classic With Style/Hollywood Walk of Fame (and other of Anrol Anthony’s scam activities by applying the word “cool” to them appalls me personally. Knowing what you claim to know, having been there yourself, makes your comment even more mysterious to me. Why wouldn’t you want Anrol stopped so she doesn’t harm others. Seems like that would be a worthy way to look at it…………..
Admittedly, if people willingly drink Anrol’s Kool-Aid it’s their choice but filling them in on what they are really doing, simply paying Anrol for NOTHING OF VALUE, counts as a good deed and goes on the + side of your SLife equation.
If I haven’t made my position CRYSTAL clear yet I’ll be MORE EXPLICIT. I’d like to see Anrol Anthony and all her associates and business entities out of the modeling and fashion business in SL. I don’t care if they like me or not.
Nave “not so naive on this one” Fall
i see it as this Anrol is cool,that is how she runs her business, to pay to vote, and if you have the money to pay to get to the top then go for it,if you got friends who will vote for you then go for it,but if you want to be a model and learn enough to handle the runway you will need training from a academy, i know because i was apart of CWS at one point, i left it because i wasn’t going to pay for me to vote for myself, or have friends to vote for me, so there will be no way for me to even win.so as far as CWS if that is something you want to get yourself involve in then that is your choice.
Best Pageant Outstanding ! Great Work Classic with Style We Love you!! Ty for all you do for Models, this is home for Me its has brought me much happiness pleasure friend laughs & escape from my poor health and for that I want to thank you for this From my Heart XoXo.
From a Heart with Love
Yes it’s true, Voff Uggla is in the Ms. Beautiful photo contest and is currently in at #9.
/me laughs along Zoey
Imagine my surprise at this factoid.
I decided to look over Classic With Style. While I was there I had a long, quite engaging, chat with a semi-famous, European male model who attributed much of his modeling success to Classic With Style’s training and support. He now owns his own European modeling agency and training academy so he’s doing something with all that, formerly “free” but now EXPENSIVE CWS training. I said it was free but it seems that now it’s L$7000 for a month of their classes. Pretty damn expensive in my opinion.
As I wandered around I chanced upon the voting board that was prominently displayed on the back wall. Imagine my surprise when I saw a picture of a lovely, brunette woman with the word “Voff” displayed above it. I guess our little Voff decided she hadn’t had enough abuse, or spent enough, in the past and returned to enter, yet another, Classic With Style voting contest.
it’s quite amazing actually. I understand why she was reluctant to mention this in her tirade on the Fashion Institute thread recently.
I’m not sure how to parse inconsistent, and verging on dishonest, behavior except to say that Voff has some issues that require more analysis then we can provide her here at AgencyReport. We wish her well in dealing with her submissive tendencies and in her future modeling endeavors.
/me laughs hysterically.
I don’t think poor little “Naive” can be demoted as a model, as he’s not a model at all. That sounds like bullying to me. That sounds like they are a petty little high school clique straight from Mean Girls. (“Look out Naive, we’re going to ruin you!”)
Btw Nave, that’s either Anrol or one of her minions. They all speak Engrish, so it might be hard to say who that person was. Also, if it wasn’t the lack of originality, the demanding schedule, the pressure to vote for yourself, the infamous spam and those damned twirling poses, I’d say the almost incomprehensible language used (by native English speakers)was my biggest pet peeve (I am a stickler for proper spelling). I mean, clearly this place is a model for professionalism at its best.
And to all those who are actually reading Agency Report to see what places are good, this is not one of them. Take it from someone who was with CWS for a long time – if you want to be an actual model, save yourself a headache (and your lindens) and go to a real modeling venue. And trust me, as Nave has already mentioned, you will get laughed at or frowned upon for even mentioning that you are currently involved with CWS. Trust me, I know.
Ohhh my god………… I’m a dram a queen now.
Someone just mentioned this to me.
Anrol Anthony says:
“and this “Naive” is a drama Queen kiss kiss Naive you have now been demoted as a model in SL , Beauty Comes from inside and you dont have it, grow up
your a thorn in people Sides.”
It’s quite obvious by the fractured engrish that Anrol herself is the “well-known” designer.
I may be a thorn but I don’t con them into paying money to me. This is the sort of thing AgencyReport talked about eliminating a while back where someone pats themselves on the back anonymously. That aside I’m not really worried about being demoted by the likes of Anrol Anthony or any of her posse………..
At the same time if there were a way I could efficiently make sure that any model who she’s involved with could read this thread I would. I think that Classic with Style and anyone who employs “pay to vote” contests should be banned from SecondLife with prejudice.
Models like Voff Uggla who have been victimized but don’t see fit to take action to prevent that sort of scam continuing are unwitting accomplices after the fact to Anrol and Steve. At least Zoey spoke up.
Here’s one tip for “Classic With Style” devotees. The fact of the matter is that many designers who see the “Classic With Style” group on a model’s profile WILL discount you from active consideration for that group alone. It is not a good thing to have on a profile or in one’s picks. Believe me
I realize that since what they do isn’t illegal per se that there’s not much to be done but chipping away at them can’t hurt.
Nave “Naive” Fall
R O F L – SHUT THE HELL UP ANON. – YOU FOOL!
YOUR ONE OF ANROL AND STEVE’S ASS SUCKERS, WHO HAVENT HEARD OF ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE KINGDOM OF CLASSIC W/STYLE OR SHOULD I SAY TRASHY W/SCAM, TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFE, THEY ARE PURE SCAMMERS, ANROL CLAIMS TO BE SOME TOP SHOW PLANNER & MODEL IRL FASHION, PAH – BULL! IF THAT WERE TRUE, SHE WOULD HAVE NO TIME FOR SL, MAYBE SHE ORGANIZES A FEW FASHION SHOWS EVERY YEAR AT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY CENTRE IN OKLAHOMA, BUT THAT IS AS FAR AS IT GOES!
AS I SAID, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND JOIN THE REAL FASHION WORLD IN SL.
L M F A O – SHUT THE HELL UP ANON. – YOU FOOL!
Ladies and Gentlemen if I can say that as for alot of you have not proven this in your Comments.
I like to say a Comment on this, Im a designer in sl & a very well known one which I will not like to mention my name just know that Mr Steve McCullough & Ms Anrol Anthony are Amazing people for any model in sl, you all just judge on them not knowing what is invoved in there program,there amazing for Second life and better yet a Great Organization is Sl, honestly if it wasnt for them alot of people would not even be in sl they have the best system in sl Bye Far!!!! FOR a Model– …. Learn it before you Comment on it thanks you for letting me Comment on this and dont hate what you cant Do Viola!!! , Keep up the good work Cws you deserve a big pat on the back and these kids should be ashamed of yourselves for even Commenting without knowing what you all Do in SL, in general. One last thing Anrol and Steve101 do deserve respect in Sl – When 2 people spend as much time in sl as them – I certainly hope they do well in sl and hope there hard work pays off , as for me I make a living in Sl so I know how much work is involved designing – I dont however know how they honestly do what they do Incrediable work !!!! Fashions Show are remarkable there extra events they have For Models Amazing You will not meet 2 people more generous people in Sl. So before you all bash Cws Think about what is involved in what they all do in SL.
I will Mark my Name as Anoymous for Business Reasons
and this Naive is a drama Queen kiss kiss Naive you have now been demoted as a model in SL , Beauty Comes from inside and you dont have it, grow up
your a thorn in people Sides.
the funny thing is that they have been doing this for some time now… it really is a scam
This guy should be reported. This is scam at best!
I forgot this one. Which fits perfectly with how they do business.
❉All Rules are subject to change at any time and each contestant will be notified by a group announcement immediately when a change is implemented.❉
I can haz Miss Hollywood 2010 cwown pwease?
You have to love some of the rules in Anrol Anthony’s Hollywood Walk of Fame contest:
➋. Each is ranked in terms of the number of votes and money was put in to your picture. (50/50)
Ⓐ. Voting is broken down into two categories.
– Actual Votes
– L$ Votes
Ⓑ. All voters when casting a vote will be asked to make a contribution of L$ toward the contestant
-. Minimum of L$ 25 ((Maximum???? Well no spend as much as you wish))
– Maximum of ( no limit ) ((Hands to face, imagine our surprise))
Ⓒ. A voter can vote as many times as they like. ((wooohooooooooooooooo thank you so much))
Ⓓ. You may vote for yourself and other contestants too. ((Sure we’ll be spending L$25 a vote on the others))
➌. Anyone suspected of cheating will be removed immediately with no refund. ((Define Cheating please – that would be not spending enough to win I suppose))
This is hilarious, sad that some people fall for this predatory BS
Some people have too much money to blow. Certainly Candylicious Forster is in serious need of getting a real life. It’s sad.
I have to admit that I’ve been a victim of the Classic with Style scheme. Yes, I paid so much money to try to win a spot at their contest but unfortunately, I don’t have enough expendable cash to splurge in SL. I’m a college student and it is silly to sacrifice money for food just to be a model in SL. sigh. My own fault too. I didn’t know any better.
Sorry, it’s sad but if someone is so “into” it that they think paying Anrol Anthony and others of her ilk, who prey upon the ignorant and vulnerable, for a meaningless, if not “worthless” (because they valued it merely by paying for it) title makes them SOMETHING. they deserve to pay and pay and pay. Call it tuition in SLife. Paying for something NOW instead of working and earning it is a time-honored tradition doncha know?
At the same time it’s incumbent on others who know EXACTLY what is going on to educate them, if they allow us to, and, perhaps, protect them from these pimps and panderers.
At StarWalkers we state in the group’s charter that there will be no “Pay To Vote” contest announcements allowed for a reason and I don’t give a damn if the Anrols and Treys like it or not. I personally think those sorts of predatory contests should be banned from SL altogether. Having to wear an outfit to enter a designer’s contest is a different story though. That’s a clear cut choice that is easily discerned and seems reasonable to me.
There are lots of self-selected experts in SL (some say I’m one of them :P), who will sell you something that they claim is valuable and necessary. Each consumer needs to decide on the value of what is being sold. It’s simple really, we all pay tuition in different ways. Some with cash. Some with time. Some with heartaches. Hopefully those investments are a reasonable price for the lesson.
You can be whoever you want, but your mind is always real. Your behaviour is real, your speech is real. Even an Avatar shows characteristic of the Owner. And some Persons use the Avatars to be like they are really be, ugly, jealous and bad.
It is the same as in this forum. The Anonymity allows some persons to act very bad. Why? Have you not learned to deal with conflicts in a fair and normal way ?
OMG its a game im not real in SL i can be whoever i want to be, right now i just finished a show it was good i had a laugh in 5 mins ill change my AV and become a Gorean shuuders to think what you will think of that then tomorrow back to my female AV and another show at least im having fun
Are you not real Strong and Burly?
You are just playing? Poor child!
“Prostituting Models to make money should be a crime”
knock knock excuse me this is a game its not real
Prostituting Models to make money should be a crime, it supposed to be about learning and enjoying the game. Styling and posing are fun the art of modeling but to get noticed you have to have deep pockets, and be favored.
Sorry didn’t realize that the last post becomes the first, I was answering Naves question.
“A L$500,OOO Contest???
Anyone know anything about this one?
I’m very curious”
That is the Calender contest, every month there is an auction, you vote on your picture and the one who put in the most money, becomes the model of the month. At the end of the year all 12 calender models participate in a contest, that’s when the 500K is distributed. However to “win” an auction, you have to spend a lot of money, I’ve seen auctions where the winner have spent more than 50K. And as Zoey says, about their contests, top 3 get’s extra points and the questions before the contest. The winner of their last contest, Miss International, was top 1 and had spent more than 130K to reach that position.
Yes Georgie, I did win. I also said in my previous posts that I had a history with CWS and that I shamelessly did the same thing that everyone else does there too. I also said I regret some of the decisions I made in favor for CWS. I’m not afraid of admitting my involvement with them, but I no longer use that win or any of my daily contest wins as accomplishments for modeling, cause really, I didn’t accomplish anything. When I left, a huge burden was lifted from my shoulders. You are right when you said there used to be auditions to become one of their contracted models. I had to audition. Nowadays just about anyone who goes through their ridiculously overpriced school can have a model tag and as long as they spend sometimes 3 or more days a week on their daily styling contests (which can take hours or even days to prepare for, a lot like preparing for a show)plus practice, then they can be in the show? They make it difficult to go anywhere else. There is plenty of work out there, and you can definitely get jobs outside of CWS. I’m with DejaVogue on this one. Dropping everything because of Anrol’s demands is a way not to get work elsewhere. The spamming is ridiculous, almost embarrassing and it’s certainly annoying. I have a lot of criticisms and things I could point out about what goes on there, at least what went on during my time there, but the biggest point and criticism that I have is that things are not done fairly at CWS.
Well, the pageants are one part of CWS but it’s not all of it. I’ve never made it in a pageant myself and probably never will be, although I am currently in the Hollywood Walk of Fame contest. CWS has fashion shows every weekend; they do these for the designers that have stores in their mall. They used to have auditions every so often to join the agency (or stable of models? Not sure of the right word). Now, everyone who graduates from the CWS University is offered a place in the agency. However if you do badly and slack off you can be let go. I personally find the routines to be challenging and not a joke at all. If you only look at the daily styling events then, yeah, a lot of newbie models there. What I really meant is CWS has a show every week, not just every once in a while. If I was not in CWS I would still get cast in shows for other agencies I’m in, it’s just for those models who like to walk the catwalk frequently then CWS *might* be for them. Or not. It’s just another option out there for those who are trying to break into SL modeling.
Zoey, didn’t you win Best Model in SL last year? At least I think that is you on the CWS website with the crown on your head and everything.
It’s so bad that they blatantly lie that they are “giving away $200,000L!”
No, the contestants pay for themselves. I think the way to make it to the top at this place and make it on the CEO’s nice list is to contribute the most to their tiers. The CEO does find some agencies to be “competition” and won’t “allow” you to work for such places, so she makes you choose. I’ve been caught in this situation once, and I’m going to be honest…I regret the decision. At CWS, there are added incentives for dropping a ton of cash. They have voting boosts every weekend, and if you spend the most cash on yourself for “votes”, then you get to either be an advertisement model or get a video made for youtube…yay! I had been told that I should try to win a video. When I first joined them last year, a lot of money was spent to be in the pageant finale, but not as much as it was the last time I was there. The contestants are ruthless and as of February, are spending over $115,000 on votes just to be in the finale. The finale…is also not fairly judged. For the most part it is, but the top 3 with the highest votes receive their questions ahead of time, so they get to plan out their perfect little answers before anyone else. They also receive extra points. Tell me that’s fair. If you have a ton of money to waste and want to gamble it away and hope to win it back or even make a profit while the owners put no end to the madness, and slave away all in hopes of becoming a Miss or Mr “I Spent 100K On Myself To Win This”, then by all means, join this pageant company. It is not an agency, they never claimed to be one, and if they are now, then then it’s a very bad joke.
I have to admit, I was once part of this place and had shamelessly spent money on myself. I didn’t know better then, and common sense didn’t tell me that what was going on was wrong. But I will tell all models this, especially those who are new to this industry: It is not worth it. Work hard, have a great attitude, and spend your time in a conducive environment that won’t pressure you to spend money to win. Get praise and awards for your talent, not cause you or your friends have a ton of cash. Use this site to see what places are worth it, what places have good reputations, and just don’t be afraid to work hard. Most of the “models” at CWS wouldn’t be able to survive if they ventured elsewhere in the SL fashion world. There are a few who are actually great models and have a ton of potential, but unfortunately haven’t gotten loose from Anrol’s tight grip.
That was just my two cents.
No, DejaVogue & Nave not at all.
GeorgieBoy, just because I think its something that should be pointed out to all models as more of a ….’lesson’…I’m going to ask…
Is the reason you get more work at CWS than any other agency because you cast for shows at other agencies, make it in and then drop that show for a CWS show a few days later when you already committed to the other?
Thats a good way to not get work.
I’m also sick of the CWS spam I get every so often.
But, thats just me~!
The MOST important sentence in Georgie’s lil puff piece below is:
“As for the pageants, well it may take money to make it in the top ten, but once you’re there you need to have your modeling skills, quick thinking (for their Q&A) and talent if you actually want to *win* the pageant.”
The more interesting questions are:
How much does it cost to win a Classic With Style pageant and wha does winning it get you really?
What is winning a Classic With Style pageant worth and do you even make back what you “invested” to win it?
Is the reason Georgie gets more work from CWS then anyone else because other people see Classic With Style on a profile and run the other way? You might wanna think about that one. Somehow I don’t think anyone except Anrol is retiring on what’s earned from suckers who buy CWS’s “we’re the best” “We’re so famous……” lines of BS
But hey, whatever works, SL is a big place plenty of fish out there…………..
I have gotten more work with Classic w/Style than I ever have anywhere else. They have fashion shows every week, and as long as you are in one of the photo contests, do two styling events and go to one practice a week, you may be invited to be in the weekly fashion show. They have many of the best designers in SL in their mall, including Bliss Couture, SF Designs, Fashionity, etc. As for the pageants, well it may take money to make it in the top ten, but once you’re there you need to have your modeling skills, quick thinking (for their Q&A) and talent if you actually want to *win* the pageant. There’s always something going on at CWS!
what i meant is that i do not like Classic W/ Style, but i like Steve and Anrol. They do great things, i just dont like the agency. And as for the agencies that spawned or whatever from them, well congrats to those 2 for that happening. I only made a comment about the agency, which is what this website is for
Anonymouse below provides an, unsolicited, testimonial to Anrol and Steve101, that they can ad to their personal portfolios along with the Linden Labs endorsement they are so proud of………… In fact there are several quotable lines in this anonymouse post including:
“im sorry, i do not like these guys anymore”
“they are nice individuals and i think what they do is wonderful, but the contests are horrible.”
I, personally, find the juxtaposition of, wonderful but horrible, in the same sentence a tad confusing but that’s nothing new for me. You all know I am one of those easily confused people.
Alas anonymouse didn’t contribute to the list of agencies spawned by Anrol Anthony and Steve101 McCullough’s Classis With Style various enterprises, which includes MA and the Friends123 Modeling Agentia. I’m sure there are many other emulating their success because Anrol, herself, told me so.
I also heard a story that a famous model, known for her frequent passive/aggressive desire to be stopped from quitting SL forever when she doesn’t win some event or another, once upon a time. spent in the neighborhood of a L$250,000 to win one of Stever and Anroller’s contests and didn’t win it! Is there any truth to this vicious rumor. I bet some alt had to dig deep, and snipe it just right, to keep her from walking off with a pile of $Lindens that time.
Inquiring minds want to know. Someone out there knows this story I bet……….please share with your classmates.
I’m just too curious,
A testimonial to Anrol and Steve101 that htye can ad to their personal portfolios!
im sorry, i do not like these guys anymore. I like Steve and Anrol ,they are nice individuals and i think what they do is wonderful, but the contests are horrible. First off, pay to vote contest hardly ever show your skills, it is who has the most friends, second, i was told that the Ms. Beutiful contest would last for about 3 months, and a week after i asked this, the results came back with the winners…i feel stupid getting all my friends to pay 25L to vote for a waste of time.
Like i said, those 2 have done a great job with the agency, and i wish them the best, but they no longer get any support from me
Ikeep thinking about Classic with Style, how famous Anrol Anthony and Steve101 McCulloughis are, how LL appoves them and how often they have been copied by other aoencies,I’m especially fascinated by a runway move they should trademark – the twirl.
Last night at the Miss Int’l pageant I saw the “TWIRL” for the first time in a major competition, when I heard the person I was chatting with on skype at the time burst into laughter and go, “That’s it, thats the TWIRL!” I hadn’t realized what I’d seen before was a patented/trademarked move. So now I know what to call the “classic” move and who we all owe it to. Thank you Anrol and Steve.
I’m also curious about something else I was told and I think AgencyReport is the place to ask this question. How many, and exactly which, new agencies has CWS been copied by, errrrrrrrr, I mean spawned???? Once upon a time I wrote about the “Friends123 Agency in here. At the time I never suspected that the agency the 3 friends attended was Classic with Style but now I’m going to consult (maybe even interrogate) them and check up on that. I haven’t spoken to them for months. Iunderstand that they. the Friends 123 Agency that is, recently had their first runway show and I’m curious about how that went too.
I’ll get back to you on their reply.
Meanwhile I’d like to know which agencies other than MA are offshoots of CWS please.
Pay to vote contests prove nothing about qualifications of the model,competence of the model, styling of the model, looks of the model,etc. All they prove is that the person either has loads of money to waste to pay for votes, and/or friends who are willing to waste their money. Is any title that has to be bought really worth anything? From the sounds of it, as a money making plan it fails as well, since paying more than you make sounds like a bad investment to me.The only people these types of contests really work for, are the owners of the group who probably laugh at all the people willing to waste so much money on it- they laugh all the way to the bank.
The more I learn about Anrol Anthony and Steve101 McCullough the more fascinating they are.
They “CERTIFY” models I’d told by Anrol.
I am still trying to understand the certification process to become a model in SL.
Could someone explain it to me please? Does this mean that only models who are “certified” are qualified shoudl be hired? Who certifies the certifier?
I’m very confused. Yet again.
Thank you for filling me in Zoey.
Before you posted that I’d become curious about these “contests = AUCTIONS” that Anrol Anthony and Steve101 McCullough run so frequently and with such panache. I found a blog post somewhere by a contestant in one of their events that explains the pulse-pounding excitement of being “AUCTIONED” off. Who says SL’s best “AUCTIONS are only in GOR. I think Anrol and ol’ Steve101 are on to something myself…………… Let me share my “edited” version of the blog posting.
“I submitted my picture to Steve101 McCullough, owner of CWS as an entry for the Ms. Calendar Auction this month. It was the first time I’ve ever entered. I was inspired by the advice of Suzanne Xeltentat who won the Ms. August AUCTION and Ms.Ghost Trefoil who won the Ms. May AUCTION.
In auctions like this its all a matter of timing, just like on eBay. Sniping, i.e.: putting up votes in the last minute of the AUCTION is the key to winning. Angelica Lunascea was leading with 10,000L$ in votes when I entered the AUCTION. I put up 15000L$ votes of my own and was far ahead of the other contestants. Arica Kaestner was trailing at 13,000L$ votes. Then Arica went up to 17,000L$ so I dug deeper and put it up to 20,000L$. Angelica wasn’t stopping went up to 17,000L$ “votes”.
In the last five minutes of the “AUCTION” I was about to so close to securing my title at 25,000L$ when I crashed. Terrible timing. When I logged back in local chat displayed ” STOP voting is over!” and I was like OMG!!
I checked on the votes and Angelica was at 17,700L$ votes and Arica was over 20,000L$ votes. Obviously I was stuck at 20K L$. So, I ended up at 2nd Place this month.
Congrats Arica! Anyway it’s her birthday. So she deserved to be the CWS Ms. September 2009. If only Arica had told me her intentions to buy the “AUCTION” at any price I would’ve saved my $Lindens for the CWS Ms.October AUCTION (lol)”
My take of this event is this, obviously these people were having GREAT fun shoveling “VOTES = L$indens” into the AUCTION. They were enjoying their SLives. I understand Anrol and Steve101’s business plan now that I read Zoey’s reply and this blog post. I think more people should AUCTION themselves off so that they can have an impressive title like CWS Model of the Month. :P
Nave Fall Says:
January 24, 2010 at 7:33 am
A L$500,OOO Contest???
I’m very curious
Well, I know all about it…the prize money isn’t “given away”… it is a pay to vote place and boy, do the “models” pay, just to be in the top 10 of a pageant. All of the money is paid for the models, so however much is in the pool gets allocated accordingly after the final judging. The top 3 with the highest votes (aka the three who dropped the most money to get those votes), get the advantage of extra points before the live judging, and also receive their question ahead of time to prepare. Fair? I think not. Those who are very competitive and will do anything, drop obscene amounts of money, nowadays more than what the top “prize” is. At the last pageant, that was yesterday, no one broke even. Had I won, I would have made a decent profit, and I got second place with no advantages. The winner is also the one who paid the most money to be in the pageant…over 113K, and she “won” most of her money back (100K). The third place winner joined the contest at the very last min, and on the last day to vote, she dropped 100K…got back 25K, what a shame.
Also, this really has nothing to do with SL modeling…they accept everything wrong (animated poses after animated poses, no emphasis on good styling, required maitreya and armpit poses to do at each of their weekly shows…same thing all the time), and the spamming is ridiculous. However, in a sense it does have to do with SL modeling, as several who are now top models have left and have greatly accelerated their careers.
I agree with Nave. Please don’t argue with him; he’s an asshole.
Sick of Nave
Puhhhhhhhh-lease stop it. Both of you.
I like being thought of as an asshole. It’s like that quote that goes something like ” I’d rather live a short, honorable life as a lion then a long, quiet, one as “sheeple”. It’s lots more fun IMHO. I still miss my “missing in action” alt DesPlaines Waverider (although Kimmera has recently threatened to use him on adboards for Tres Beau’s male designs.) I wonder if he’s hanging out with Andrzej Markova and some of the others who’ve “pooofed” recently?
So don’t disavow the “lurker/anonymouse” set of their opinions. No one really counts those votes anyway. They can spew their venomous nonsense all they want. Doc Holiday can hate’m all he wants. I pay no attention to any post without a name on it.
Anita! I couldn’t of said it any better…..
Personally, I admire Nave, because he actually has the balls to say things with his name on it… while others will only attack while hiding behind “Anon”
If you actually get to know Nave, hes funny, witty, and quite intelligent. He has his pain in the ass moments but if you want a friend that ACTUALLY says what he means when you ask his opinion or is actually there for you when you need help…
Plain in simple, Nave, is a good guy. So what if hes opinionated, at least he doesn’t hide it.
Is this an unsolicited testimonial?
GeorgieBoy Juliesse Says:
August 25, 2009 at 1:18 am
Please add Classic with Style
I agree with Ugly and Talyia, Nave uses innuendo and ambiguity in interesting ways. Sometimes really mean ways, but always amusing. Except to his target of course. I think he should take his talents to Comedy Central and stop tossing pearls before the “anonymouse” majority in here.
But if you think people don’t like him in here, try over at Moolto. They took that Doc Holliday quote, the “Shall I hate him? I think I hate him.” one, to heart and banned Nave’s butt for some lame ass thing or another. I bet the TOS was in Italian and got re-written by Maxes to justify smiting Nave. Which is pretty funny considering he was a semi-finalist in Maxes Loon’s Mr & Miss Moolto 2010 contest a couple of weeks ago. Our own “supermodel” RicoRacer Flux is running away with the Mr. Moolto side of the contest in both the popular and judged voting.
It seems AgencyReport Zepp is much more tolerant of Nave’s jibes then Maxes Loon is. Thank god.
I think someone needs to “Save Nave”
/me smiles to himself, then faints
Nave! Hello…your posts are funny. Although I don’t think that some people on here like you very much, rofl.
This contest is CRAP. Seriously…
For one, they SPAM the crap out of everyone and everything. Seriously.
They go through Modeling Newsgroups (such as StarWalkers, model looking for work, etc.) and just open up profiles and drop on notecards.
Seriously, there was a discussion about it in model looking for work…turns out, I wasn’t the only one who would get at least 3 notecards about Classic with Style PERSONALLY sent to me, EACH WEEK.
Just crap. Crap crap crap crap crap!
A L$500,OOO Contest???
Classic With Style has a lot
of good models in it but they need to wake up
I think what Do yourself a favor was saying to Dolce was stop talking because you look like an Idiot.
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