– General Warnings, Scams, Gripes, Rants, Conversations, Cat Fights, Etc (312)


Post below comments about modeling contests that aren’t linked to any agency or that don’t have their own page.  List warnings for scams, but you can also post a thumbs up for contests that are worth it.

1,053 Responses to “– General Warnings, Scams, Gripes, Rants, Conversations, Cat Fights, Etc (312)”

  1. Criticus Says:

    March 2, 2015 at 11:37 am

    Who owns Donna Flora? Do you know?

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  2. Seriously grossed Says:

    January 23, 2015 at 4:08 am

    Skylei Caproni we have been nice you will be banned from House of V if you continue to make advances on my 34 YO brother.YOU are 60 YO grandmother ick.

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    • I am sorry for you Says:

      April 6, 2015 at 3:34 pm

      Skylei even the name makes me laugh,Anon you walked into a nightmare coming into contact with Skylei.she has a reputation for drama and instability.Don’t let her bother you she’s a moron and has some serious mental problems. Just laugh and move on that’s what most people do.

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      • Say what? Says:

        May 29, 2016 at 10:28 pm

        Skylei is well known to cause bs and drama wherever she goes. Then she comes AR and plays “nice-nice” posting under her Skylei Caproni name and then changes to Anonymous and slanders people she is jealous of and doesn’t like as well as modeling agencies. I am sorry for you, I agree with everything you said about her. She has major issues.

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  3. Anonymous Says:

    August 5, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    What say all the defenders of Amutey …hummm? she is still at it…well do we drag her off? throw stones at her?? what??anybody have any suggestions?? I guess the fact that no one buys her crap, nor even visit her “store” seems to work..I know! let us all ban/mute her at once then maybe she will disappear.

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    • Been Done.... Says:

      August 7, 2014 at 11:05 am

      Amutey DeCuir left SL some time ago and either sold or gave her account to whomever is using it now. This person doesn’t care that those of us who know that Bliss no longer exists don’t shop there as he/she is preying on newbies who think they’re getting a great deal and don’t have a clue that Bliss has been “going out of business” for 2 years. It’s not likely to stop until LL steps in and pulls the account, which probably won’t happen because they are not really violating the TOS…they are just annoying to those of us who know better but unfortunately, that’s not a crime.

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      • Lovesl Says:

        August 21, 2014 at 5:47 pm

        She did not sell her account. that is against Linden TOS… I hear she opened a new mesh clothing store with her alt…

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  4. search Says:

    May 22, 2014 at 2:26 pm

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  5. Criticus Says:

    March 2, 2014 at 1:04 am

    I am still bloody SICK of Amutey Decuir and her CLOSING SALE….

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    • Me Too. Says:

      March 6, 2014 at 11:36 pm

      I don’t know when Amutey went from being a high end designer to a scam artist. What a shame. She has diminished her brand and her reputation in SL. Close. The. Store. Already. Enough is enough…it makes me wonder if she sold her AV to somebody who is canibalizing what is left of her brand. I was never a big fan of her stuff but this is just ridiculous. Reminds me of that other place that took a couple years to close and marked everything down to 25L. Disgusting.

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      • Criticus Says:

        March 10, 2014 at 3:35 pm

        I like how you describe it Me Too “cannibalizing what is left of her brand” that is just what it is.

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    • shahlanna Says:

      June 15, 2014 at 1:38 pm

      I’ve had it. I’m leaving the Bliss Couture group and blocking Amutey Decuir. The length of this “closing sale” has gone from sad, to pathetic to downright ridiculous. There comes a time when one must graciously take their bow and leave the stage while the crowd is still applauding. To remain on the stage after the applause has ended, only serves to cheapen the performance and the performer. Amutey has missed the opportunity to leave the stage with grace and dignity. She has transformed from an elegant swan to a sad clown. In doing so, she has tarnished her image and the perceived value of her creations forever. Take your final bow and exit stage right, Amutey .

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      • criticus Says:

        June 27, 2014 at 4:39 am

        You word it so nice, however the applause stopped long ago for this person, the sale has gone on for about a year and a half, there is no bow for her unless they drag her off the stage, one that I might add has few expectators only those morbid enough who are waiting for her to slash her wrists and bleed in agony to slow death……

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        • Anonymous Says:

          June 28, 2014 at 2:36 pm

          Okay Criticus…now that seemed unnecessarily vicious and completely unconstructive. I wouldn’t wish such a thing on anyone. No need to be an outright bully.

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  6. no more modeling Says:

    February 22, 2014 at 5:12 am

    I noticed there is a trend of modeling agency owners disappearing from SL without giving proper updates to their customers, management and models, after all the time and efforts others have put into the agency so the owners could experience their dreams. SL can be just a virtual world but it shouldn’t stop a person of being responsible and courteous. While RL comes first but how about a note to say “Sorry, I have other priority, the agency is now closed. Thank you for all your hard works” or “It’s a mistake, I have no idea how to run an agency. Sorry for driving everyone crazy. Now I need to exit.”

    Just extremely disappointing to see these so-called respectful individuals walk away without closing the agencies properly, especially it doesn’t cost them a single cent or even 5 minutes to send a notice.

    How many agencies will really sustain in SL even they are run by big names? Are these individuals genuinely passionate about operating an agency? or just using other’s times to fulfill their own hunger of fame?

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  7. Transparency Says:

    January 29, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    Well this is hilarious. Fifth Avenue aka Fashion Critique has just very clearly outted themselves as Seashell Dench. We all guessed it, but her blisteringly biased self promotion on Scala versus Trempe leaves no doubt. You are a bitter little thing, aren’t you Seashell? Terrified of competition?

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    • See shells the light Says:

      January 30, 2014 at 12:56 am

      My same exact thought’s.Seashell its really disgusting how you tried to hurt people trough the years and It’s clear as day you are the person behind fashion critique.

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    • Transparency my cute Says:

      February 3, 2014 at 11:15 am

      “Transparency”, how transparent are you? Why don’t you log in wordpress with your own blog or avatar? If this an issue of competition between two agencies, then you are Anna Saphire or any of the Trempe group, no doubt about it.. That’s what we all assume. It’s actually great to accuse Seashell, even without any evidence, because all known models and agency owners in SL, have had their share here at AR. Was about time for Seashell to have her spotlight already. Good for Scala!

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    • Rumors are good for business Says:

      February 3, 2014 at 11:53 am

      woww back you up on that Transparency my cute.

      Is this how far Trempe goes just to attack Scala? Anna Saphire, you are showing your true colors now. Everybody knows how sad and miserable you are!!

      Now, that you’re at it, explain to us all how somebody can take shots of herself and an entire fashion show, and walk at the same time.
      Cause Sea has been commented on Fashion Critique blog, with photos of shows she was in, so she did all that? Took photos of all the models, and herself, walk the runway herself and then go blog that stuff?? Cool! I’ve been following Fashion Critique blog for several years, in October 2010, there’s a video of an Avenue fashion show, and one of the models there was Sea – I was in the audience that day, I saw who the models were. And you, Anna Saphire, were NOT in that show!

      Besides taking photos of herself, all the models in the shows she is walking with, she also FILMS the shows she is in and blogs anonymously ? WOWW, Anna Saphire, you’re a sad little woman, sad attemptto try and bring Sea and Scala down. You are the ones who really seem afraid of competition. Crystal clear now!

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      • Transparency Says:

        February 4, 2014 at 5:06 am

        I have nothing to do with Scala or Tempe. I’m a very good BLVD model who was never able to get into Avenue only because Seashell doesn’t like me. I’m very happy to see her finally exposed, and it’s very good to see all the Scala staff posting abuse under anonymous names to HA HA

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    • Know it all Says:

      February 3, 2014 at 10:23 pm

      Oh I’m sure it is Seashell. A couple of years ago, we all knew for sure that Fashion Critique was Poptart and then , later, we all were absolutely positive it was Nave Fall LMAO, Bottom line, we all know that everything that is posted here on AR is the truth, don’t we? Depending on the moment, this Fashion Critique thing is like a huge conspiracy; it’s a mix of Seashell, Poptart, Nave and a couple of more people. It always depends on who that blogger talks about LOL, you can pick who ever fits best your own “interests” 😉

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      • Caffine Selona Says:

        January 23, 2015 at 11:38 am

        lol I agree with Know it all we all thought it was those people she named, still until this day i don’t know who Fashion Critique is but who cares anyway?If you clam to be this high fashion model and your really not, What do you expect but to be Critique?

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  8. newbie Says:

    January 13, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    Just wondering there are so many agencies on the list of this site. How many also which agencies are actually still alive ( active ) ?

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  9. Doctorlove Says:

    December 3, 2013 at 8:14 am

    what think about excessive rates of some photographs? is fair ?

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  10. Criticus Says:

    November 23, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    Since this is a general rant and rage area as well as a place to post scams it fits well: Can I hear a loud “I M SICK OF AMUTEY DECUIR” from those who are SICK of blisscoutureandthelongestclosingsaleofSL. This woman has been “closing” forever, and has gone from being a 6 rate designer to a top 10 drag (no queen here-folks), sweeping away all vestige of honorability and reputation, with what is now clearly a scam to clean out her store of old crap, she has failed her loyal customers yeah the little people, those who paid full linden for the crap, by cheapening the items and making it such a joke that no one can wear any of her things, without feeling like the Walmart special, (ok for toilet paper but not for “couture”) at this point I do not think people even want the free stuff. So Amutey a bushel of rotten tomatoes for you, and a blue ribbon of classless. You should be banned from ads in all groups, for trolling and spam.

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    • Sick and Tired Says:

      November 24, 2013 at 6:16 pm

      I am also sick and tired of never-ending Bliss spam notices from too many groups but I was too scared to say anything. Bliss closing sale is a huge scam. I am really tired. Amutey Decuir please for Gods sake GO AWAY. I am tired of your crap. I deleted most Bliss gowns in my inventory. they are worthless junk. please just go away before linden labs ban you for scam.
      Bliss Couture = pile of Junk!! Worthless Crap !!

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    • Boa Constrictor Says:

      February 3, 2014 at 11:07 am

      This! How long has this neverending ‘closing sale’ gone so far? I’ve lost track of it, honestly speaking. Stop dragging it already, you’ve milked enough of it.

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      • Anonymous Says:

        April 16, 2014 at 5:52 pm

        still counting days a Amutey stays soooo sick, she now has her Easter gifts out and is getting ready for the Summer “closing sale” items, got to get a jump on that now that spring is here…….

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  11. Heike Says:

    September 4, 2013 at 6:28 am

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  12. summer Says:

    August 10, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    omgahhhh did you know that

    Natzuka is no longer partnered with Blackliquid? she is now with Lybra Rage who we all know now is a guy, but started SL with a female avatar, not telling back then “she” was a “he”! Now, he even dares to have a RL photo in his profile!
    Guy with balls this one! he kinda pretended in the beginning he didn’t have them, maybe to relate to other guys? We probably have here a case of gender indefinition, freudian blah blah blah

    Rusch Raymaker was partnered with Absinthe, they broke up and then poor Raymaker opened a new SL account to keep being with her beloved – supposed to be some kinda secret , dun tell.

    Nothing like hot summer holidays to have hot love affairs in SL! There is nothing else to do.

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    • Doctorlove Says:

      December 2, 2013 at 9:16 am

      Lol now broke Bastien! wow blackliquid have a seriusly problem with relationships ! What happend lol

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    • Doctorlove Says:

      December 3, 2013 at 8:26 am

      wow some love in sl have become a real joke! Rush and Absinthe, she just use Rush
      to be in Avenue
      give shame!

      Natzuka broke with Blackliquid and blackliquid married with bastien? who is … bastien? another puppet, LMAO Who will be the next toy?she needed new followers ROFL

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      • Bastien Berboral Says:

        December 5, 2013 at 12:40 pm

        Dear Doctorlove,

        Thank you so much for your interest in blackLiquid’s personal relations although I am not sure how they correlate to her professional abilities as a model. Perhaps you can shed some light on that.

        She is a beautiful Avatar & Human beyond that, I am not her puppet nor was I at any point. Natzuka, blackLiquid, Lybra and I are all very close as family should be and have great affection for one another. Beyond that we support each other through real life issues which span far beyond Virtual Fashion.

        Separately although I do not know Rusch or Absinthe on any personal level, nor am I speaking on their behalf. It occurs to me that witch hunts or the spreading of gossip and rumors about individuals may be what causes them to do exactly what you accuse them of. If in fact they are on some alt’s and happily sharing some bond of love or exploration of their own happiness. It would seem to me that as fellow humans we should applaud their successes and bliss in those areas.

        It is my experience that the human creature is one which is exponentially capable of giving and receiving love and through that experience growing. Love does not mean sex, nor does it mean puppetry, nor a trophy. For me love is the capacity to know and comprehend oneself and through that know how we can in turn accept and embrace others, through this I evolve.

        May you find love, light and bliss Doctorlove if you have not yet done so. Also may you recognize that these types of blog posts are hurtful to some and that not everyone has the same ability to simply brush something off.

        Therefor if your objective is to hurt others, may I suggest that perhaps it would benefit you to dig a bit deeper and do some soul searching in order to figure out why exactly it is that you care what others are doing with their personal time. Especially when you are simply stating assumptions based on what are most likely quick observations.

        As I have evolved in my life Doctorlove I have seen so much more clearly that life is so much easier when we simply applaud each other when we gain. Yet when we see another fall, to extend a hand if we can and if we can not, than at least carry on, and not push them down. Take this all as you may, and know that if you have any questions on my being a puppet you can ask and if it is something that is any of your business (Highly Unlikely) I will reply.

        Previously I noticed that this page compared itself to a Zagat on another post. Well I think Zagat sticks to specifics about their target industry, I would assume that if the point of this site is to serve the same purpose it would follow the same order. By providing their input and critique on modeling and fashion, as well as fashion industry events and businesses. However prying into someone’s love life is a bit more paparazzi, stalker, gossip, rumor mill style in my extremely humble opinion.

        My warmest regards,
        Bastien Berboral

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        • Same old song and dance Says:

          December 5, 2013 at 7:25 pm

          No need to tell us you are not Natzuka.You can actually string a comprehensible sentence together.It is pretty obvious you are not her.
          As for Blackliquid’s love life.I don’t think anyone actually cares what she does these days.

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          • Bastien Berboral Says:

            December 6, 2013 at 12:04 am

            Hello Same Old,

            It really is not very nice to make those types of comments. Natzuka is quite capable of holding a conversation as well as stringing together a sentence. Whether or not I am her was not something I was aware was in question. Rest assured, if there is any doubt in your mind – that I am not her. In rl I am a man from the U.S.A..

            If no one cares what blackLiquid is doing on her personal time, than I think that is some rather splendid news. As her personal time and dealings are rather irrelevant to how she handles her business or or how well she can manage to style or work as a model.

            Have a great day, night, life etc. Best Regards,
            Bastien Berboral

          • House of the most awful items made on sl Says:

            December 11, 2013 at 11:56 am

            Your sad dysfunctional family needs some counseling.Lybra can’t even decide what gender he is and we can’t decide what species Black is.Who are you anyway Bastien? Another one of Blacks alts?It looks like you got smacked in the face with a ugly stick or did Absinthe make you over?

        • Doctorlove Says:

          December 11, 2013 at 9:04 pm

          Lol Bastien the truth hurts ! a great human Blackliquid? love is bought to this day with gifts, contacts, and a place to stay.. lmao you know how many call soul mates or grieta lovely? a person who changes partner every month? only uses people for not stay alone and being told every day how wonderful it is! have a serious problem called EGO

          now again other parnert ? toy or alter ? LMAO someone will take her seriously is not stable?

          and your family do not even know what want, always the same circle of people, wacky and zany! believing its personality?

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  13. Insincere Says:

    June 30, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Frolic is not sincere accusing Yula. He said a bunch of nasty words to protect shop owners such us Lazuri trying to hurt genuine person as Yula. It is easy to see the lie of Frolic with 2 photos.

    Look at the proof

    Real life:

    Secondlife:
    https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Lazuri-Classic-Glamour-Necklace-Color-Change/4050997

    And Lazuri are the first ads in his magazine.
    Frolic has to have shame not Yula.
    he shows not human compassion and only poor business strategy
    but he invents this horrible lie about Yula.

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  14. Insincerity Says:

    June 30, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Frolic is not sincere accusing Yula. He said a bunch of nasty words to protect shop owners such us Lazuri trying to hurt genuine person as Yula. It is easy to see the lie of Frolic with 2 photos.

    Real life:

    Secondlife:
    https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Lazuri-Classic-Glamour-Necklace-Color-Change/4050997

    And Lazuri are the first ads in his magazine.
    Frolic has to have shame not Yula.
    he shows not human compassion and only poor business strategy
    but he invents this horrible lie about Yula.

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  15. The real shame Says:

    June 29, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Frolic is not sincere accusing Yula. He said a bunch of nasty words to protect shop owners such us Lazuri trying to hurt genuine person as Yula. It is easy to see the lie of Frolic with 2 photos.
    Real life

    Secondlife
    https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Lazuri-Classic-Glamour-Necklace-Color-Change/4050997
    And Lazuri is the first ads in his magazine.
    Frolic has to have shame not Yula.
    he shows not human compassion and only poor business strategy
    but he invents this horrible lie about Yula.

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  16. Anonymous Says:

    June 26, 2013 at 1:48 am

    Since new comer models are all loosers, now ex models started to create new alts for modeling world. They are entering MVW, licking arse of Avenue etc etc. I have many model friends who shined during 2011-2012 now they are creating new avatars. Many of us already know new avis they had a fast start on modeling World.. Guess WHO they are?:))

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  17. Yes poor pathetic Yula indeed Says:

    June 24, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Well, Xanadu, I think you need to remember that in RL friends and family types receive discounts on services all the time and people don’t complain if they don’t receive the same courtesy. Even at the workplace people negotiate their own salaries to the point that two, or even an entire department, of people often don’t make the same money doing the same job. What matters is that each person pays for a service if they think it is a fair price for what they receive in return. That is why nothing will happen to Frolic and business will go on as usual because he provides a valuable service to content creators that they are willing to pay for. If he provides discounts to friends and family then that is his prerogative and “normal” creators will think nothing of it because it is a practice that has always existed and they feel they are still getting a fair deal for their services.

    But thank you, anyway, for your comments. You just helped prove, once again, what a pathological liar Yula is when you explained where she buys her meshes. On more than one occasion she has claimed to be making her own meshes. Of course, everything she says is taken with a grain of salt since everyone knows she exaggerates and fabricates tales to make herself look better in the eyes of her contemporaries. So no worries, we all just get a good laugh when she talks anyway.

    And for the record, Belle does a much better job of constructing her jewelry into something fashionable which is more than I can say about Yula. They are FAR from the same in skill even if they use similar methods.

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  18. Yes, poor, pathetic Yula indeed Says:

    June 24, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Well, Xanadu, I think you need to remember that in RL friends and family types receive discounts on services all the time and people don’t complain if they don’t receive the same courtesy. Even at the workplace people negotiate their own salaries to the point that two, or even an entire department, of people often don’t make the same money doing the same job. What matters is that each person pays for a service if they think it is a fair price for what they receive in return. That is why nothing will happen to Frolic and business will go on as usual because he provides a valuable service to content creators that they are willing to pay for. If he provides discounts to friends and family then that is his prerogative and “normal” creators will think nothing of it because it is a practice that has always existed and they feel they are still getting a fair deal for their services.
    But thank you, anyway, for your comments. You just helped prove, once again, what a pathological liar Yula is when you explained where she buys her meshes. On more than one occasion she has claimed to be making her own meshes. Of course, everything she says is taken with a grain of salt since everyone knows she exaggerates and fabricates tales to make herself look better in the eyes of her contemporaries. So no worries, we all just get a good laugh when she talks anyway.
    And for the record, Belle does a much better job of constructing her jewelry into something fashionable which is more than I can say about Yula. They are FAR from the same in skill even if they use similar methods.

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  19. Frustrated Model Says:

    June 17, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    It is really frustrating when you join a contest only to discover the shop owner has to make changes because she is too busy in her real life. Well models have a real life too and we have to plan and make sacrifices to meet our commitments when we sign up. At least we are serious when we commit to virtual tasks because we know that for a lot of designers SL is their primary source of income! When i joined Muse 2014 i removed other tasks from my agenda and it will be difficult to do that yet again. It’s pretty obvious that she’s making this excuse to hide from SL after she lost her sponsorship from Frolic Mills because of her own big mouth and stupidity. Her big ego prevented her from making a proper apology even though she was totally in the wrong. Then to use an excuse that her real life is more important than mine or any other persons. In fact i remember a quote from her on her blog where a person said that they hadn’t been in SL because RL was more important and she joked about that person saying it wasn’t possible for RL to be more important than SL. Well maybe she only feels that way about our lives and not her own. Pathetic. I guess it’s better to to join a serious designer such as Chop Zuey.

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    • Another Frustrated Model Says:

      June 21, 2013 at 6:47 pm

      I don´t know what to think about SL anymore. I lost the pleasure to log in and be in contests, fashions shows, etc. If you enter some contest, owner choose who will win and the rest of ppl has to be happy just to be there, smile and act like is everything is ok, otherwise they will say is bad for your reputation and bla bla So…. stay quiet!
      What to say about some agencies too? Kiss right ass, do what they say and bla bla
      I give up of everything… I am tired of the same names everywhere. Same ppl … same everything. New faces dont have chance.

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    • Another Frustrated Model Says:

      June 24, 2013 at 11:38 am

      I don´t know what to think about SL anymore. I lost the pleasure to log in and be in contests, fashions shows, etc. If you enter some contest, owner choose who will win and the rest of ppl has to be happy just to be there, smile and act like everything is ok, otherwise they will say is bad for your reputation and bla bla So…. stay quiet!
      What to say about some agencies too? Kiss right ass, do what they say and bla bla
      I give up of everything… I am tired of the same names everywhere. Same ppl … same everything. New faces dont have a chance.

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  20. Poor Yula Says:

    June 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    There is no conspiracy against Yula Finesmith. The true source of the problem is Yula herself with her avatar of multiple personalities that she created in her seriously deviated mind. She has long demonstrated the pathological need to be the center of attention. She wants others to see her as the number one jewelry designer and have each magazines’s CEO and models kneeling at her feet. But what is the basis for her rationale? It is certainly not on the basis of creativity or technical prowess, since it is obvious that she lacks the necessary skills. Motivation, alone, is not enough to become a designer, it also requires talent. She does not possess even a little creative talent or any of other requirements that are necessary to be a great designer (e.g kindness, patience, ethics). How can anyone demand the title of a talented designer when she uses ready made templates with full perms available for one everyone on marketplace them reselling them as her own? Even with minor changes it is not her own.
    A true creative designer does not assemble ready made pieces that are purchased or copybotted from other crestions! At most, you could label her in the category of a mediocre level builder. If there are anypleasing parts located within any of her products they are not the result of her imagination but the results of the ideas of her models that shared web links of real jewelry with her for which they desired a virtual version. For many of the things she created in SL, it is possible to find a corresponding version in RL, proof that she has no imagination of her own (at least regarding the pieces she actually sells). She has claimed in magazine articles to have been a real designer of jewelry with certificates in RL, but it is enough to look her virtual products to understand she is a liar in that regard.
    Yula’s real life is just another artifact and LIE of a perverted mind. She has told so many conflicting stories about herself that even she probably no longer knows the truth. It’s probable that the origin of her disease stems from the fact that in her real life she has never been able to accomplish the objectives for she had set out for herself and always finds excuses for her failure. There are so many good and talented designers In Sl but Yula is not one of them.
    It’s been far too long now that Yula does everything to discredit the reputation of Belle Roussel, simply because she is jealous of her talent, of her success and the esteem with which the models and Frolic Mills have for her. Belle reflects the personality of the real person who created this avatar. The real identity of Belle Roussel is known, she does not hide behind an avatar. The real successes of Belle Roussel are demonstrated in the field of music. A successful businessman, such as Frolic Mills, likes to deal with real and mature persons such as Belle Roussel. He does not have time for the childish and immature games of the drama queen Yula! He likes Belle because she is a genuine person who runs a professional business. Yula, on the other hand, is a megalomaniac who can not prove anything about about her real life claims. She suffers of grandiosity, that fills her full of envy and jealousy for others to the point that she must try to destroy those talented people with lies, deceit and treachery. Yula suffers because she is greedy and she cannot accept the fact that the only way for her to bit of attention in SL is to pay the magazines. She needs to learn that those designers that obtain discounts or free services from a magazine are designers that have demonstrated a real reputation with a high level virtual skills! She should be thankful that those magazines offer her the possibility to advertise her business by paying them despite her poor skills. Those magazines have a reputation too and they could just as easily lose their readership by publishing too much crap.
    (it is awful suspicious that someone is posting here against Frolic and Scientology when one of her alts was member of an anti scientology group)

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    • Poor Yula Indeed Says:

      June 15, 2013 at 5:11 am

      Yula and Belle both not original content creators, they don’t make their jewellery in Blender! Both Yula and Belle assembel jewellery using building blocks made by original mesh creators like Ghanie, Bejambled,Xoph. That is how sl designers works. You cannot say Belle creative but Yula bad, because both have same building style.

      You know who made owls in chop zuey Mystery of Owls ring? Belle did not sculpt owl in blender, Owl made by Gumi’s! Ring and gems made by creators like Ghanei, bejambled, Xoph. Belle assembelled pieces from 2-3 creators, made a ring, and named it Mystery of Owls. Im not saying Belle did wrong. Mesh creators license work full perm for Belle to assembel.

      Same way Yula buy flowers from Gumi’s and original flower maker. Yula buy gems from bejamble and Yula has license to assembele flowers and gems to make necklace for sale!
      Yula and Belle use same building style and practice, one designer NO better than other! Yula also buys her parts and flowers full perm from mesh creators. That is not stealing. she has LICENSE on full perm mesh to make and sell end products for customers any way she likes. Yula has license to use all parts in her build just like Belle has license to use and sell owls.

      If Yula stole original creation show photo of Yula copybot creation with proof. Did original mesh creator complain Yula selling his creation with no license?

      For many of the things Belle created in SL, I have seen a corresponding version in RL too! Will you like it if I say Belle has no imagination of her own? Both Yula and Belle use rl products for inspiration. Crucifying Yula and worshipping Belle prove conspiracy.

      Frolic can give Belle all discount he wants. I dont care if he remain with belle as his only customer. Fact – Belle is a freeloader. If she cannot afford pay she should not be in magazine or have store in upscale mall. Paying customers dont want their store next to freeloader store. Paying customers dont want their advert next to freeloader advert, big $$$ paid to be exclusive, not to be placed behind freeloader! Value of magazine is way down with freeloaders appearance, all wonder who is freeloader and who is paid, paid designers all brought down to freeloader level? where is value? I know designers will say ta-ta bye-bye if Frolic remain doing free marketing for Belle, insult other designers. He runs magazine on other designer money, and use their money to free market Belle? Why other designer contribute fund freeloader marketing project? why? He can kiss arse Belle, insult other designers, till none left to take insult!

      Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      June 21, 2013 at 5:14 am

      Designers accomplishments in RL is none of my concern. However I am concerned about how they conduct themselves in SL and I am sick and tired of this non-stop drama created by Finesmith and Chop Zuey. I really don’t care who is right and who is wrong..just had enough!
      To all the models taking sides and arguing passionately…none of your frickin business so just shut up! Think twice before you slander any brand…what is in it for you?

      Reply
  21. Anonymous Says:

    June 12, 2013 at 12:23 am

    What is Yula accused of copybotting? I want to know!

    Reply
  22. Yula's proof Says:

    June 10, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Here is the proof for Yula that Frolic is using his bad schemes to punish an ruin her for a single mistake. Frolic has no proof against her but he uses horrible methods that he learned over many years. http://www.our-home.org/juandelgado/success.htm

    Reply
    • my theory Says:

      June 11, 2013 at 5:09 am

      Frolic has sl legitimate business and gain nothing by destroying Yula in fact he loses Finesmith business. Yula is a drama queen may be got caught red handed doing something. But I really can’t imagine Frolic risking reputation over this!

      We have to look another angle too. If Yula really innocent then Belle Rousell and cronies must have started new rumor to destroy Yula ( I know i upset some chop zuey fans sorry. but it is true. Belle is the only person I know plotting destroy Yula)

      I really cant imagine Frolic helping Belle though. it is not his good interest as he loses credibility big time. I know he gives Belle free stuff and discounts all the time pissing off other designers but this is way bigger. I know good designer got upset and left bosl mall when she found Belle pays just 1000L/week for her shop when Frolic makes other designers pay 1500L/week (belle even had store free for months before before she got discount rent) Frolic lost credibility giving Belle special rent discount! Belle brags and brags about free adverts she gets from bosl . In short we have to look into Frolic Belle relationship also before coming to any conclusion.

      Is Frolic working with Belle to ruin Yula? I doubt it – but Frolic giving Belle discounts, free stuff and marketing makes us wonder!

      Reply
      • Syl c. Says:

        June 12, 2013 at 7:32 am

        This will be the first time I utter this blog. I read the reviews Regarding Frolic and also about Belle. I think what people do not understand is: SL is a game but like any business RL, he does not live with air, needs money. If were are so simple, everyone would have 4 islands, one agency, and 6 magazines in that game if they could. I believe in the trustworthiness of the Frolic Millis, I already worked for your magazine, never failed to get pay me as a Graphic Designer, never been rude to me in any way, whether in magazine or the MVW. I think there is a huge drama upon his figure. Regarding belle guess absurd talk of it being the sweetest person I have ever met and gentle. I meet her store on 2010 and she always was a great designer. It is no secret that her store already has years of SL. If she pays less than the others, it is a matter of contract, that does not disqualify more or less. Each can impose its price per job or accept the contract. This is called negotiating, every entrepreneur does. Dream of utopia is good, but does have the feet on the ground. Businesses like Nike are standing today because they know negotiate not believe there is a problem with that. I find it interesting points of view that I see here, but I believe that I can also put my opinion as ex-worker and ex-miss.

        Reply
      • wth? Says:

        June 12, 2013 at 8:43 am

        I rent at Fro’s blvd and I can tell you that a discounted payment only comes if you use less prims, just like any other mall in the metaverse.

        Reply
  23. On the Yula mess Says:

    June 10, 2013 at 9:18 am

    These are the usual tricks of Scientology set in motion by Frolic and his gang of ass kissing models when someone, even if by mistake, sticks his virtual mafia.

    Reply
  24. Curious Customer Says:

    June 9, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    What’s happened between MMV and Yula? Did I heard something about Frolic accusing her of copybotting in response to some other accusation from Yula? Can someone shed some light on this for me before I make any more purchases from her?

    Reply
    • Sucubus Says:

      June 9, 2013 at 8:42 pm

      @ Curious Customer
      I’d contact Yula Finesmith inworld and listen to her side of the story. Then, would contact Frolic so that he can provide you with real evidence of what you heard -ask for real evidence, not just Frolic’s word on it. With both sides of the story, and clear evidence, you may have a more clear insight of what’s going on and find the truth.

      Reply
  25. besafeoutthere Says:

    May 27, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    The rules of the internet people! Be safe and don’t forget to buckle up!

    1st Tier Enemies — Not only do they post the most vituperative commentary about you, they viciously stalk you around the Internet, posting everywhere you post to try to smear your reputation, finding you where you live — even in real life! They ferret out RL data and use it to vilify you; they post outright falsehoods. These types of enemies loathe your very being and want you gone from the Internet — they aren’t just kvetching about one beef. Beware!

    2nd Tier Enemies — They have a private grudge, a vengeance over some imagined or even real slight, and they post on your blog or on their own blogs against you, or ban you from their blogs, but they don’t really cross the street to harass you. They won’t be calling you in RL, thank God! And they are unlikely to keep researching you to try to come up with “dirt”.

    3rd Tier Enemies — These types privately slam you and condemn you and keep you off the lists of the best parties, but they may even feign friendship or even fail to ban you from land or blogs. They may dis you — then pretend to apologize. They can often have the most deadly influence, but until you catch them in the act, don’t put them in 1st Tier — they may be able to be converted to friends!

    Reply
  26. Secret Says:

    April 29, 2013 at 11:12 am

    🙂

    Reply
  27. Help Says:

    April 29, 2013 at 11:05 am

    help to help

    Reply
  28. Style WHAT NOW? Says:

    April 24, 2013 at 2:34 am

    So can we talk about how ridiculous Style Kingdom is? It aspires to be at the forefront of SL fashion magazines, but its really a crappy Walmartesque catalogue. The owner can pump as much money into it as he likes to hire the best photographers, but its still absurd and irrelevant.

    Just like the Fashion Teller.

    Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      April 24, 2013 at 8:25 am

      Every publication in SL is irrelevant and pointless. The whole point of it is to do it for fun 🙂

      Reply
      • fake Says:

        April 26, 2013 at 12:07 am

        I think every magazine is actually relevant and important, but when I see Style kingdom claiming they have thousands and millions of visitors sustained by a website completely irrelevant to SL then that’s a misrepresentation of factual statistics. These are the losers that give every publication a bad name.

        They are not fooling anyone though, and neither is Fashion Teller who only appeals to the models who actually made it in their casting. Then again if it’s fun for them, then let it be, but don’t lie about the “millions” of viewers because we all know the truth.

        tata

        Reply
        • Anonymous Says:

          April 26, 2013 at 8:26 am

          They brag about impressions on Issuu. “Impressions are something your publication get whenever a user simply look at your publication. Like a thumbnail of the cover or an embedding somewhere on a blog.” (see http://help.issuu.com/entries/22116847-Statistics)

          This is a fairly meaningless statistic when it comes to talking about how many people actually read the magazine. A more telling statistic would be reads: “People who actively engage with your content are readers. Readers spend time in your publication, navigates, searches, and so on. Simply skimming the pages like you’d do at the local newsstand, wouldn’t count as a read, but as an impression.”

          Although, since the magazine consists mainly of pictures, most people would simply skim it. On the other hand, it looks like you can game “impressions” by embedding it all over the internet too.

          Its unfortunate that they invite this sort of criticism by doing so much bragging. Interesting, relevant and quality content will speak for itself.

          Reply
        • Editorial Clarity-Flux Says:

          April 26, 2013 at 8:57 am

          This completely irrelevant website is what nearly every SL magazine publishes in nowadays, some ONLY is Issuu. Can’t be that irrelevant. Sounds like someone has sour grapes to me. If Dougie pays his advertising to get thousands, why not?

          Reply
          • Editorial Clarity-Flux Says:

            April 26, 2013 at 8:59 am

            And we don’t care if people like or dislike the fashion teller lol. We do it for fun, and those in our group enjoy it, if they don’t, they are always free to leave and they know this 🙂 If we have fun doing it, that’s all that is important. SL is for fun, some people need to remember that lol. 🙂

  29. Williams Says:

    April 22, 2013 at 11:43 pm

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  30. Andrzej Makarov Says:

    April 22, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Hello everyone,
    I’m so sorry to disturb you..
    I just want to let you know that i came back to Secondlife..
    After 2 years of dissapear will i re open Fashion-in-look my agency again. And even some old friends are able to come back to Secondlife :).. See you all soon and please save your horrible comments about me.. So we will be all nice to eachother..

    Greetz
    Andrzej Makarov
    CEO Fashion – in – look
    CEO Makarov Design. By Alatiel

    Reply
  31. Baby's got back Says:

    April 21, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Now i know the look some of the short sl avatars are going for

    Reply
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    April 21, 2013 at 9:37 am

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    April 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm

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  34. Jana Cindy Weber Says:

    April 19, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    To be honest… Lostnero & Frolic are the sweetest guys i have ever met in my sl life. I don’t like why you should say this about them. First you should start looking to yourself. And the everybody who knows Lostnero personally would agree with me that he is one of the sweetest guy inworld. But haters gonna hate.. Just because you can’t be like him doesn’t mean that you can say such a awful thing. I would almost call you. E.V.I.L

    Reply
    • Spanglish Says:

      April 21, 2013 at 5:21 pm

      EVIL? and we can call you Dramatic.

      Reply
    • October Bettencourt Says:

      April 22, 2013 at 7:31 pm

      Hey Jana,

      Great post. It is really sad that some people look at others and criticize someone who they don’t even know. I guess you know you have become something or someone the moment “they” start talking $hit about you on Agency Report it out of spite, envy, cattiness and says more about them than it does about the person they are trashing. I have to say, if you are going to post something nasty, put your name to it. Own it. Don’t be ashamed! Speak your mind, but not behind Spanglish or Bitch, Or Question. Stand by your statements and own them. Come into the light, because as they say, daylight is the best disinfectent.

      Much love to my bros in Love – Frolic and Lost, Steele and World…. Hey what can I say I am a FAG HAG and proud of it.

      October Bettencourt – “the believer that honesty is the best policy and hiding is for cowards”
      Owner and CEO of October Studios.

      Reply
      • October is full of shit Says:

        May 24, 2013 at 5:29 am

        Oh come on October you are full of shit.. What do you mean honesty is the best policy. Blah.. check it out, all your lies.. Dont pretend how honest and nice you are.. I know who is your alt so give me a ffs brake. Do not pretend, you are the best pretender (aka Christie) I have ever known in sl

        Reply
        • OFTC Says:

          May 24, 2013 at 3:51 pm

          You are right I am not a nice person to those who have pissed me off. Those who have know that I will cut you. Second I don’t lie. Why should I? However 90% of the crap posted on this blog is nothing but lies from people who have no lives.

          And by the way, my rl name and my alts name are not Christie. Not even close. Stop spreading lies and hate when you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. It is super easy to post something on a blog under an alias rather than signing your name to your post. What are your afraid of? The truth? Or being called out on your ignorance.

          Reply
  35. Question Says:

    April 17, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I have heard something. Modavia doesn’t excist anymore right? I’ve heard that the owner of Modavia made a new SL account with the name ((Lostnero Resident)) Is that possible?..

    Reply
    • spineless Says:

      April 17, 2013 at 11:45 am

      Of course it’s possible but it sounds more like you just want to out Pop and start trouble without using your own name

      Reply
      • Question Says:

        April 17, 2013 at 6:12 pm

        Not at all. I was very curious about it because his new brand name is Viamoda. does sound like modavia? right!..

        Reply
        • Cellophane Says:

          April 17, 2013 at 8:02 pm

          I know Poptart and Poptart has Style.I looked up Lostnero Resident who clearly has no taste.It’s more like you are LostNero trying to get sales from pops name

          Reply
    • Losers Says:

      April 18, 2013 at 11:41 pm

      Whoever reads this site are losers for sure, of course including me. I am a loser like you people who are so so bitter, bitch jealous and for sure ugly in rl. When someone is successful in sl and you did not win all of you bitch right away and write your ugly remarks. You people are losers for talking shit all the time here. Hehehe I am deleting my account here starting tonight so I can exclude myself to be a losers like you bitches.

      Reply
    • Losers Says:

      April 18, 2013 at 11:44 pm

      Whoever reads this site are losers for sure, of course including me. I am a loser like you people who are so so bitter, bitch jealous and for sure ugly in rl. When someone is successful in sl and you did not win all of you bitch right away and write your ugly remarks. You people are losers for talking shit all the time here. Hehehe I am deleting my account here starting tonight so I can exclude myself to be a losers like you bitches.

      Reply
  36. Miss Metaverse a Joke Says:

    March 29, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    None of you could figure out Miss Metaverse would be a joke?The guy behind it is a joke.That’s all you needed to know before you entered.

    Reply
    • KiZZit Says:

      March 30, 2013 at 5:49 pm

      At this time ALL pageants in SL are jokes. I can say some castings too…. because you need to kiss some asses to pass. Know some ppl. Doesnt matter if you are a good model, if you know to choose poses, style clothes good… Kiss the right ass, and you are in…

      Reply
  37. artyparty Says:

    March 21, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Who’s alt is Sahirah Lure of BDSM Black Sheets Magazine? Reminds me so much of Patty Cortes of Glance International. During their model contest old Glance employees swarmed around there like bees including stylist Amalia Foxtrot….

    Reply
    • YA RLY Says:

      March 21, 2013 at 5:55 pm

      Oh snort; this one isnt rocket science. Sahirah Lure – she owned the Alura sim under the name of ImpaTwin.Toxx. Her character name was Madam Sahirah. I was once there at a a party the same time both Patty and ImpaTwin were. They are not the same people. They are poles apart.

      Remember Avenue promoted this sim in December 2011 and had the entire fashion industry buzzing? Do some research or at least know your history if you are going to cast aspersions.

      Noob.

      Reply
    • yawn Says:

      March 23, 2013 at 9:35 am

      It’s Wicca Merlins alt

      Reply
      • yawn2 Says:

        March 23, 2013 at 10:29 am

        Wicca Merlin, huh? One of the fashion sheep of SL who aren’t accept in RL so she puts all of her money and efforts into a fake one. She needs to spend her disability check at a shrink.

        Reply
        • Ugleeeee Says:

          March 24, 2013 at 3:34 pm

          I think Wicca is also the one that started that lets see who can be the ugliest model avatar trend?That box of chocolates is scary.

          Reply
        • yawn3 Says:

          March 24, 2013 at 5:17 pm

          I find it interesting that whenever someone is successful and popular in SL they get accused of having no RL by a bunch of anonymous haters – honestly – it’s probably people who takes SL so seriously they need to spread venom who needs a shrink lol

          Reply
        • CMan Says:

          March 25, 2013 at 4:25 am

          yes that “she must be a loser in RL” gets really old. Petty jelousy is the sign of a true loser.

          Reply
          • yawn2 Says:

            March 25, 2013 at 12:06 pm

            CMan-Loser does not apply to every aspect of SL. Just to a few of those I’ve had PERSONAL experience with and I know something about their RL as opposed to guessing like you are. In this case, my observation is correct, so sorry. Anyone who is “jealous” of a cartoon is true loser as is anyone who pays money into a game in order to be what you call, Yawn3, “successful and popular”. Because let’s face it. Anyone who is willing to spend 15 plus hours a day, continue to pump funds they can’t afford into SL and brown-nose to people they don’t even know who they really are can be “successful and popular.”

          • CMan Says:

            March 25, 2013 at 2:26 pm

            LOL ooooh personal experience eh? “jazz hands”
            J-E-L-O-U-S !!

          • yawn2 Says:

            March 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm

            *smiles at you* Please take a deep breath when replying and check your spelling.

          • yawn2 is right Says:

            March 25, 2013 at 5:27 pm

            What’s there to be jealous of ? An ugly avatar with an ugly personality who licked ass and spends all of the money she doesn’t have on a virtual world for her virtual life because she doesn’t have a real life.

    • spamreport Says:

      March 26, 2013 at 11:33 am

      who cares who she really is.Mind your own business and scratch your own problems

      Reply
  38. the Metaverse finalists Says:

    March 20, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Reply
    • Confused. Says:

      March 20, 2013 at 11:30 pm

      Yay! A chicken and a fox did win this very confusing pageant. They said it wasn’t a modeling contest, They said licons and all other creatures were invited to participate, they also said, it was all about personality (judged by ignorants in a 5 minute interview), and so on…

      At the end, it all came down to two loosers no where to be found in the SL modeling world.

      Congrats newbies, Have fun with your imaginary crown that no one cares about. yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

      Reply
      • SMH Says:

        March 21, 2013 at 12:40 am

        Confused.. You are very ignorant, I hope you know that. Just people cause you do not know these people who won the contest does not mean that they are not know by others.I have been following these feeds and I just think it is just simple ridiculous with all these negative comments. Why cant we all just be happy for the winner and not try to bash them just because of your own ego or just because you do not know them. To be honest, I have known Brendan for years especially when he began his modeling career. He also has been the director of Costa Rica Productions (which is no longer do the sim’s owner.) . and participated in numerous projects in the SL Grid. He is well know for starting Broadway Cares in SL for raising money for HIV/AIDS awareness. Do your research everyone before you speak. Just becuase people are having a tantrum all over the grid regarding this contest You all have to come to a conclusion this is NOT reality, just get over it.

        Reply
      • SMH Says:

        March 21, 2013 at 12:42 am

        also, let me add.. if you do not care about dont talk about it, confused.. can you add dazed to that as well.

        Reply
        • snorts Says:

          March 21, 2013 at 9:45 am

          There is nothing wrong with Brendan winning.Lets not talk about Michela though SNORTS.The contest was sad.It was just a failed attempt at Hethwen trying to be Frolic.

          Reply
          • Anonymous Says:

            March 21, 2013 at 10:24 am

            why not ask yourself about all the people flocking to leave the Metaverse group now… 2 of their “top 5” left …Wised up if you asked me. And you’re right..its a failed attempted…at the whole mess.

          • SaraC Says:

            March 21, 2013 at 3:10 pm

            Michela has done nothing but good things in SL. Learn your facts. You are the sad one

          • Confused. Says:

            March 23, 2013 at 2:09 am

            SMH:

            I do know these people and I stand corrected, two mediocre models at best. I am sorry but this pageant was a joke.

      • spamreport Says:

        March 26, 2013 at 7:22 am

        BTW loosers spelled with one O , it should be losers lol. I think i know who u are bcause u always misspell loser. For all i know metaverse needs to learn more on about fashion, they are still learning the sl fashion if u ask me

        Reply
  39. anon Says:

    March 18, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Next topic please.. and honestly who cares why sessie got the votes she did or didnt get.. good god at least rant about something of interest other then a would be kiss-ass who goes on and on about how much she “lovessss” and “appreciates” oh wait did i forget “admiresss” those around her. Couldn’t you find someone who at least doesn’t use the same line of bullshit with everyone around her to speak about..

    Reply
    • anonymous Says:

      March 19, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      I couldn’t agree more. I think it’s so sad that people do anything and say anything to bring people down. For what? What do you gain by putting others down? It’s really sad. We could do so much more by all coming together and trying to make a difference.

      Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      March 15, 2013 at 3:12 pm

      Jejejejeje, This is really fun!
      Ladies and Gentlemen, I am please to introduce the Top 18 Men and Women who ahve earned their spot in the Mr and Miss Metaverse Pageant. Please welcome… …
      Michela Benazzi – MM – Ireland 2013 No taste of fashion.
      Falbala Fairey – MM – Germany 2013 Ok she deserves
      Diana Borgnine –MM– United Arab Emirates 2013 She is good one!
      Euridice Qork – MM – Costa Rica 2013 Is this a joke?
      Ashia Denimore – MM – China 2013 not bad.
      Vivienne Coppola – MM – England 2013 not bad
      Nice Wildrose – MM – Turkey 2013 Miss copycat. Every professional model and agencies know her shape is thin-lip version of Anna Saphire.
      Blue Porchers – MM – Finland 2013 Miss Looooooooossseeeer! jejejej look at this photo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/28681134@N08/8470829110/in/photostream .
      Miele Tarantal – MM – Lithuania 2013 not bad.
      MaryCarmen – MM – Peru 2013 noob! God! Are you serious?
      Brendan Macarthur – MM – Denmark 2013 who is he?
      Bosco Jonson – MM – Brazil 2013 are you serious????
      Ewan Crumb – MM – Argentina 2013 he is the best
      BonieFacio – MM – Belgium 2013 Mediacore
      Arnold Winsmore – MM – Austria 2013 who is he?
      Anthony H. Knowles – MM – Ireland 2013 Mr. Who?
      Adonis Hansome – MM – Canada 2013 God save us from his shape!
      Marek Falconvale – MM – Spain 2013 another joke!

      Reply
      • Anonymous Says:

        March 15, 2013 at 3:42 pm

        Ive seen lists like this for MVW like this before.Did anyone ever notice Sessie16 Resident is never on them,and she’s pretty trashy.Things that make you say hmmmmm.

        Reply
      • Anonymous Says:

        March 16, 2013 at 8:39 pm

        Ashia Denimore isn’t even a good model. She lacks creativity and thinking outside of the box. All she does anyways is ask for help, dragging Black around for a style. It’s never going to change. I’d love to see a look she conjured up herself.

        Reply
        • Anonymous Says:

          March 17, 2013 at 4:31 am

          Ashia was a looser before Black, She was a noob. She learned well to play dirty from Black. She even gossips about her bestie Sessie16.
          What a poor personality.

          Reply
          • Anonymous Says:

            March 18, 2013 at 2:06 am

            No kidding, the only reason she is friends with anyone in world is for her “fame”. Black was just a pawn, she doesn’t even like Black. Its a mutual manipulation… Black needs models for her advertising, and Ashia needs styling tips. (desperately)

      • J. Says:

        March 17, 2013 at 7:26 am

        You forget this IS NOT a fashion contest didn’t you? Fashion has very little pull in this contest, it’s based on them as a person, not can they put on clothes. Gods you people are so shallow!

        Reply
        • Anonymous Says:

          March 18, 2013 at 2:04 am

          You do realize that every one of them that are IN this Metaverse contest are all already deeply rooted in the modeling world correct? As long as you compliment the right people, you are a shoe in. I’d love to see a competition where people don’t already have a good/bad impression before you step up. Just saying 🙂

          Reply
          • j Says:

            March 18, 2013 at 11:02 am

            Maybe in some pageants but not in this Metaverse contest.

          • Anonymous Says:

            March 18, 2013 at 12:04 pm

            you’re deluded if you think that. Sessie got the “popular” vote after the semi-final round when she didn’t make it on to the finals and was able to compete anyway. Every person in the finals was DEEPLY rooted in the modeling community. It was all a “who you know”

          • j Says:

            March 18, 2013 at 4:04 pm

            I’m not deluded, considering the vote card was PUBLIC and everyone could see who voted for who. Secondly, not all the judges are in the modeling industry either. so you do realize that obviously this didn’t have anything to do with a who you know situation right?

          • just sayin Says:

            March 19, 2013 at 1:53 pm

            I wonder what makes these judges qualified to judge anyone in this contest?Have you ever seen the model responsible for this whole contest?After seeing him I wouldn’t hold the rest of the judges in to high regard.

        • It's not? Says:

          March 18, 2013 at 11:26 pm

          It’s not a modeling pageant? the winners were both ex candidates of Miss and Mr. Virtual World. Go figure.

          Reply
          • Anonymous Says:

            March 19, 2013 at 3:54 pm

            It’s not the fault of the pageant administration that the people who entered were models, or ex candidates of MVW. The pageant was open to everyone honestly, and anyone who enterd had a fair chance

          • It's not? Says:

            March 19, 2013 at 9:41 pm

            Keep dreaming.

          • Anonymous Says:

            March 20, 2013 at 6:44 am

            How about you keep dreaming. The sad thing is most of the people posting here are very bitter for one reason or another, either they were shunned by the modeling world in Sl cause they kissed more ass then anyone else and didn’t get in still. So ANY competition that pops up in SL is under your ridicule regardless what it’s about, especially if a model enters it, and especially since you yourself probably entered and either didn’t make it past the selection process, got kicked, or you didn’t make it past the prelims. I’m not the one who’s dreaming. YOU are the one who’s dreaming. Why don’t you turn your negativity into something positive. If you don’t like what was done with the Metaverse Pageant, then start your own pageant.

          • barbiegirl Says:

            March 28, 2013 at 3:26 pm

            Why would someone do something as mundane as starting there own pageant ?

          • Anon Says:

            March 29, 2013 at 1:54 am

            Ironically most of the comments about the Metaverse Pageant have been largely justified and true.

          • Anonymous Says:

            March 29, 2013 at 11:26 am

            The 65 plus contestants in Mr Miss Metaverse..is a joke..the group is now down to 36 contestants.. half of the “top 5” found out what a joke it was and LEFT.

          • Anon Says:

            March 29, 2013 at 12:23 pm

            the numbers tell all and it wasn’t that the pageant itself was a joke (had promise initially) but the ONE GUY running it. have you seen the blogs popping up?

      • ANTHONY AUDRAN Says:

        March 18, 2013 at 1:44 pm

        Mr. Who? That’s Mr. Top 5 to you, and let me be the one to remind you – you didn’t even make it to Top 65. #bitter

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  41. Lostnero Therrian (Lostnero Resident) Ceo Via Moda Says:

    March 11, 2013 at 5:31 am

    Seriously, I am getting tired from this community,
    The solution: Get back at game at don’t look at forums. Because
    the shitty community that won’t get satisfyied will always be here.

    God abandons only those who abandon themselves, and whoever has the courage to shut up his sorrow within his own heart is stronger to fight against it than he who complains.”

    xoxo
    Lost

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    • Anonymous Says:

      March 11, 2013 at 7:28 pm

      Having a Christian threaten me with hell is like having a hippy threaten to punch me in my aura…
      – Unknown

      Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      March 28, 2013 at 1:18 pm

      …says the guy who is banging Frolic. Seriously? You are probably upset that your Papi is getting slammed on these boards. 🙂 Have a nice day!

      Reply
  42. Voshie Paine Says:

    March 6, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    *rolls eyes at people trying to create drama over Miss Metaverse*

    First off this is NOT a modelling competition but an actual pageant like the ones you see irl. So there are categories that are not based on looks at all but based on YOU as a person and what you bring to the table. Second of all, this pageant hasn’t even started yet, and yet is being judged. For goodness sake! Wait for it to actually happen before throwing opinions around on something that has yet to even be produced in SL. Also it’s one thing to sit back and judge from the outside and a completely another to actually participate. So far in my experience as a contestant everyone has been more than helpful and kind. Another thing I am esp happy about is that the scores are ALWAYS going to be transparent. So I don’t get where this playing favorites thing is coming from. Sure we all have friends in the fields we work/play in, doesn’t mean that someone is always going to get ahead b/c of it. Yeah it happens but not always, and I don’t see it happening in the case here. As to someone having 3 alts in the pageant….all I can say is, it will be found out sooner than later, and honestly? I don’t see how any one person could do it. While this is the Emeritus pageant, there is still a lot that is asked of you in competition and as a contestant afterwards. I don’t see how one person would be able to do it all. *shrugs* But that’s just me, and again, IF someone is doing it, it will get found out.

    My advice is to wait and see….. I think this pageant will take you by surprise.

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    • Say What? Says:

      March 6, 2013 at 8:29 pm

      In what RL pageant have you ever heard a statement like this: and I quote: ” We want each of you to know that this pageant is open to everyone. human, petite, lycan, vampire, and all other avatars. We are not exclusive we are inclusive.”

      I am sorry, but this is the most unreal pageant ever.

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      • TShade Says:

        March 6, 2013 at 9:45 pm

        “Like” she said “like a real life pageant” which, of course, means that it has a variety of categories. I see this variety in real life pageants and considering that this pageant is in SL and you diss it by calling it “most unreal” is a shame. SL is not about just one race or one niche of one clone filled industry. You do the math – how many models are there in SL? Now how many players? Seems your model mentality that is full of prejudice by playing SL and yet demeaning others is nothing more than hypocrisy. I guess I should not use big words on someone with an obviously small mind so let me break it down for your ignorant ass. STFU because whether you like it or not that pageant will happen and new winds are blowing in SL. Time for a change and I applaud and welcome it. Most of you who are failing to slam this are probably part of the old SL regime and are shaking in your boots and the rest are probably people that did not make it into the pageant or were kicked out. Stop hatin’ it just makes it obvious how ignorant you are.

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        • Anonymous Says:

          March 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm

          Shouldn’t this be called the MVW losers contest ?

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          • Anonymous Says:

            March 9, 2013 at 11:49 pm

            No you are not in it lmfao

          • hahah Says:

            March 10, 2013 at 9:49 am

            not as much looser as you,
            If you were not the real looser, you would dare not to write this anonymously:)

          • it's blackliquid and sera Says:

            March 10, 2013 at 2:23 pm

            They hide here thinking we do not know who it is. blackliquid and sera ginger it is obvious who you are. I asked heth who he has had problems with and you are the only ones banned from competing. heth also told me that black wrote cilla and told cilla that she was going to post here on the agency report. so everyone knows who you are black. you are so pathetic black and everyone in sl who does not have their head up your ass hates you.

          • Anonymous Says:

            March 10, 2013 at 3:42 pm

            Why do you keep trying to pretend you are not Hethwen.Everyone knows the psycho replying is you Heth.Anyone that is sticking up for Heth really does not know him,her but you will.Heth, you will never be the next Frolic you are not a well respected model that everyone knows.and this contest is a ridiculous joke.So what Black Liquid is banned.She probably isn’t interested anyway.Actually no model on SL of any stature is involved in this contest.Just mediocre losers.

    • Really? Says:

      March 7, 2013 at 12:12 am

      Oh good. One of the biggest users in SL puts in her two cents. Go back to sponging off everyone else’s hard work Voshie, and keep chasing that quick buck.

      Reply
      • Mason Storms Says:

        March 7, 2013 at 1:09 am

        At least Voshie had the guts to give a name. Why wouldn’t you give your name? I bet you 50000L you wouldn’t have the guts. You speak up and admit to who you are and you will get this 50K, otherwise I am giving it to the pageant as a gift.

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        • hahah Says:

          March 13, 2013 at 5:25 pm

          Media Core Loosers? God! If people be someone in SL they think they are someone? What is being SL celebrity? Wake-up darling this is a game. When you click on ‘x’ it finishes. People does all these things for fun, all the contests all the modeling all the blogs all the flickrs etc all for fun, not for being some-one. . So SL Top Models, SL Fashion Patrons, SL Agency owners etc etc… this is not a title that you can use in your real lives.
          When a contest starts all the drama starts, ppl have fun and it finishes and what you do except of creating drama? What a pathetic life you have?
          Everybody has pitty for your poor being darling…

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  43. Miss Metaverse Says:

    March 6, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Miss Metaverse promises to be a very entertaining pageant indeed. They have declared they will accept lycons, goth and other types of avatars in the competition.

    I would love to see how a judge will compare a female model. to a male model to a lycon, to a goth, to a chicken!

    Grab some popcorn and loads of Coca Cola, because this promises to be the most ridiculous pageant ever held in SL history.

    I am a tiny turtle in SL – Can I join?

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    • J. Says:

      March 6, 2013 at 9:23 pm

      One thing people seem to want to forget, there are all different kinds of people who play second life. This pageant isn’t set to represent one side of second life, the modeling side that everyone is so focused on. This pageant was created to represent ALL sides of second life, and all it’s players. Weather your a Gorean Kajira, a Furry, a Fairy, a Dragon, a SL Porn star, etc. The pageant is created to be a representation of everything that makes each and everyone of us in this game unique, and makes us continue to come back each day. This is not a exclusive club, and it never will be an exclusive club. Looks will be part of the judging more than likely, but will not weigh as heavily as much as the individuality of the contestants themselves.

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    • Mason Storms Says:

      March 6, 2013 at 10:01 pm

      Ridiculous? It might be a little more than that. You attempt to slam a pageant that has the backing of SL’s finest businesses, that has collected over 200,000 lindens and donated prizes that the finalists and winners will receive? From what I see they are marching strong and if you call raising awareness of things like MS, breast cancer, AIDS research, homelessness, and world hunger ridiculous then you must be a pretty miserable person. What is happening with this pageant is a gift to SL. No one has ever taken the initiative to do anything like this. Those of you who hide behind these statements and not give your names are pathetic. You make false statements about good things and good people and why? Oh, I know, because your pathetic cowards who only get off on trying to destroy good. Good always wins and this good is going to cover SL watch and see.

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      • Say What? Says:

        March 8, 2013 at 3:03 am

        I would love to see a chicken avatar win this competition! After all a chicken with a 200,000 linden could lay many eggs.

        So important…

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        • Anonymous Says:

          March 9, 2013 at 11:58 pm

          That chicken is worth 500K now. You sure seem bitter and jealous of a chicken.How did the chicken cross the road? She didn’t hide behind 50 alts or have a smart ass attitude that got her thrown out of the pageant. Everyone knows who you are and you are only entertaining yourself at this point. Sad little mixed up bish you wish you would have kept your mouth shut now but had to mouth off and get the boot lmfao

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  44. brittainycollins Says:

    March 6, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Oh for bloody gods sake.. if people aren’t here bitching about frolic now they are here whining about heth and the new pagent.. Seriously… and tomorrow it will be something else..
    Hands everyone a soapbox some tissues and the latest issue of soap opera digest.

    Britt

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  45. Anonymous Says:

    March 5, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Of course, results are obvious from the begining, The owner of the contest is very close friend of some of models in the contest. I won’t give any name but you can simply check his account to see, obviously one of his friends will win the contest.
    Beside this, people don’t like Frolic but Frolic was professional enough to keep same distance between all models.

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    • Anonymous Says:

      March 5, 2013 at 11:59 am

      I’m talking about Hethwen and his contest

      Reply
      • Anonymous Says:

        March 5, 2013 at 6:01 pm

        Hethwen he’s a few sandwiches short of a picnic basket.

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        • Anonymous Says:

          March 6, 2013 at 3:37 pm

          Do you know Hethwen? He is one of the most respected models and business men in SL. What he is doing with this new pageant is a positive contribution to SL and I think more people will follow his lead this year. Unlike every other pageant in SL he is giving the winners and runners up very nice awards. He is also making sure that each representative that holds a national title works all year long to raise awareness on a variety of platforms that will benefit hundreds of thousands of people all over the world. Your smart ass comment about him being a few sandwiches short is so sad. It is people like you who make stabs at the people who actually get off their lazy asses in SL and do something to make a differnce. It shows you to not be the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

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          • Anonymous Says:

            March 6, 2013 at 3:45 pm

            Pat yourself on the back much ?

          • BishSlapYa Says:

            March 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm

            Nope, to busy putting idiots like you in their place.

          • Funny Says:

            March 6, 2013 at 9:44 pm

            Who did you put in their place?You just look like the crazy person we all know you are Hethwen.

            One of the most respected male models?Now that’s funny.

          • BishSlapYa Says:

            March 6, 2013 at 10:08 pm

            Nope not Hethwen but I wish I was. He is someone I admire a great deal. I will tell you who I am if you will tell me who you are and then we can meet in SL so I can BishSlapYa. Kisses to ya loser

          • Anonymous Says:

            March 7, 2013 at 7:35 am

            Hethwen.Im going to entertain the thought you aren’t Hethwen .You wish you where him?you are even more off your rocker and disturbed than he,She,Hethwen is

      • Anonymous Says:

        March 6, 2013 at 3:47 pm

        Everyone is talking about Hethwen and the Miss Metaverse Pageant. It is the best thing to happen in SL in years. I do hope Hethwen is made aware of the fact that he has 3 alts competing in his pageant and all are the same person. Taylor Wassep, YeriakTH Couturier, and Blackliquid Tokyoska are all the same person but I think everyone knows that already. Let’s just hope that Heth and the judges do not get the wool pulled over their eyes. I for one would love to see this pageant do well. I have kept up with it very closely and will compete in it at the end of this year if I find it is a solid pageant thatis run fairly. I like that Hethwen is trying to make a difference and level the playing field for everyone. There is so much bullshit in SL modeling and who is kissing who’s ass to get ahead. We all know this is true. I think what Hethwen is doing here is making sure this stops. I support this and hope everyone follows.

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    • Anonymous Says:

      March 6, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      ROTFLMAO How can the results be obvious when there are no results yet? Spreading lies like this is never a healty thing to do. Heth is a very popular SL model and has won many pageants in SL. the one thing that no one can refute is that Heth is not one of the most honest and ethical men in SL. Anyone who says otherwise just does not know him. I modeled with him all of 2012 and in 2013 doing charity work with the Spirit of Canada and Models Giving Back. He is a manager at Chop Zuey Couture Jewelry for Belle who is also one of the most respected business owners in SL. So when you make false accusations like the contest going to one of his freinds as if it were predetermined. That is a lie. Will it go to one of his friends? Probably becuase he has so many friends. I would also suggest that you not make reference to Heth and Frolic in the same sentence. Heth is a far better than than Frolic will ever be.

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    • Anonymous Says:

      March 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm

      That is lie. Heth good person. He does good for everyone. He help me many times when I ask others and no one to help me. When I enter Miss Mundo he judge.Heth write me say he help me and teach me more after. He taught me more than anyone else. Never accept pay. He no care if I model before. He take his time and speak to me translator. No one else. I almost lose my land Heth paid for me to keep and never ask for back. Heth good person why for you lie on him?

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  46. another competition? Says:

    March 3, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    recently I have seen Miss Metaverse,
    they have bunch of good models on the list. I have no idea about the contest. Probably another contest that people know the results from the beginning.
    But funny thing is to check executive board. Who are they?? Does anyone know them? They will judge? do they know about modeling? What criteria they might have?
    This is madness such initiatives..

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    • Anonymous Says:

      March 6, 2013 at 3:27 pm

      lmfao first you are going to openly state that you have no idea about the contest and then accuse the contest of being rigged? Oh that’s cred worthy. I wasn’t sure who the executive board was so I went and asked for names. I do know everyone one the executive board and all are top models or trusted business owners in SecondLife. If you do not know any of them then you must live under a rock. I also asked who the judges were for the pageant and there are 12 judges from around the grid from every walk of life in SecondLife. If you think the judges need to know about modeling then you might have the wrong idea about this pageant. It seems that this pageant is a bit more sophisticated than a mere modeling contest. If you want to know about the criteria you can look on the website like I did and it explains everything in detail. http://www.metaversepageantry.com When I read you chldish statement above it led me to ask questions, questions that were all answered by seceral of SecondLifes most trustworthy members. I think it is disgusting how you try to trash an organization that wants to do good in SecondLife. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  47. zion Says:

    February 23, 2013 at 11:16 am

    I don’t agree people should be forced to reveal their real life and I don’t understand how that would impact you buying their products. I tend to not use real money and try to earn Lindens to shop with so I don’t really correlate Rl money with Lindens. I quite like chop zuey who has some stunning pieces and I like fine smith who also has some stunning pieces i don’t see why it has to be one or the other, in my humble opinion they are two very different styles of jewellery designs and as someone who has tried and failed at making items I have much respect for those who do make Items, with any form of commerce there will be similarities between products but as I said before I have always thought of Chope Zuey and Finesmith to be two different types of designers so I doubt they are copying each other and also on the issue of knowing real world information on people it is something I would hate I just keep thinking of all the horror stories you hear of people being stalked virtually and otherwise and it makes perfect sense to keep your real life private. I also have to say the Belle is one of the most generous people I have come across on Second life she gives away so much free jewellery when she doesn’t have to and Finesmith also gives away free jewellery and have generous events like the hunt they have going on right now. It is funny to me that these are designers people are disparaging when they are two of the best quality jewellery designers in Second life. I have to say that I thought the point of Second life was to have a Second Life I really don’t see what your real life has to do with anything. Also this game is supposed to be fun I don’t remember seeing any rules that say you must buy from either designers.

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  48. Partially Agree Says:

    February 15, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Isoldel you have some valid points as well as some invalid points.  By and large you are correct in that the avatar has a right to anonymity.  That logic begins to change when the avatar is involved in business.  Every linden in the game has a basis of real money.  That linden entered the game because someone contributed real money at some point in its beginning. That brings real monetary laws into play with real consequences for fraud should someone have the means and desire to pursue justice.  An LL employee once told me that if you decide to enter into business in SL then you must be prepared to reveal your true identity.  The reason is that business people have entered I to a different category of avatars from others that are simply playing here.

    If I discover a creator here and I read an interview about this person and they make certain claims about their real profession or educational background and based on that I decide to buy a product from them.  But because of the way SL works, many products such as clothing and jewelry I don’t really get to see unless someone I know has it.  Usually you only get to see a photo and that photo has been photoshopped in a big way.  If I open the product and it’s a very poor quality then at the very least I have been lead astray by misrepresentation and fraud because that person claimed to be something they are not and their product reflected that.  There are lawsuits all the time for that in RL.

    People like Frolic, Gizza and Eshi are transparent in that.  You know who they are.  They don’t hide anything from a business perspective.  They don’t make unsubstantiated claims about who they are.  What you see in them and their businesses is what you get.  Finesmith is just an avatar but Chop has a real identity and people seem to trust her more for that and, as a result, her sales are much higher.

    For the protection of the consumer every business person in SL should be required to register their real information for all consumers to see.  It would severely decrease the number of instances of fraud, copybotting and other illegal activities.  

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    • ano o mouse Says:

      February 18, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      Nice points, but caveot emptor (let the buyer beware) applies when buying goods. If you buy something that has a rl value of maybe a few cents, in a virtual world, then you know what you are potentially letting yourself in for.
      If you purchase something at face value on the strength of a picture then a designer could argue that you could have asked to see it before buying, so you knew the risk.
      If the goods aren’t fit for purpose then you could reasonably ask for a refund, or failing a response go to LL.
      As for fraud, unless you are paying for one thing and getting something else, or getting nothing then I am not sure it applies. Even copies aren’t fraud unless properly copyrighted, and that’s a risk all designers in SL face. Even if copyrighted then is it fraud or an infringement of copyright? In which case the injured party is the designer and she has remedy against the seller and also you, I think Even if its not a nice thing and distasteful unfortunately its not fraud.
      I am not a lawyer.
      The best way of measuring quality is how popular lines are. Also if you feel let down just vote with your purse and don’t shop at the place again.

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  49. brittainycollins Says:

    February 13, 2013 at 1:44 am

    I dont know whether i want to applaud Trinity for having the courage to state her opinion and back it up or applaud the fact that here is someone who doesnt hide behind anonymous names and use this as an excuse to trash others and their efforts. I don’t know and will not claim to say that one content creator is better then the other but when i look at Yula and Belle I stand in awe because i see two women who do create.. who do bring beauty to our world and manage to create things that I could not even begin to know how to do. I do have to agree that before you trash a product investigate it throughly.. what i hear when i read the above comments is alot of personal grievances. It makes me wonder more about the people writing then the content creators.

    – Brittainy Collins

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  50. CZ model Says:

    February 13, 2013 at 12:34 am

    Want to know the differences between Finesmith and Chop Zuey?
    Chop zuey has a real identity. She doesn’t hide, we all know who she is. Further, she may not make claims to be a real designer, but she owns the sacred right to be an avatar that makes jewelry!
    Finesmith hides behind her avatar and has never backs any of her claims. All we ever see from her are contradicting stories that change every few months.  The few designers / artists in SL who are, in actuality, real designer / artists do not hide their real identity and activities. Just think of Eshi Otawara or Alienbear Gupte. Unfortunately, the virtual products of Finesmith do not support what she claims to be in her real life, in fact, they make us to suspect the opposite: she is not a real designer. Of course, 99% of the people in SL aren’t who they claim to be, even so You have to take into account that a large number of her designs are actually the work of Blackliquid.

    If you think that Finesmith doesn’t copy real jewelry from RL then I suggest you take  a tour of Asos, Etsy, DeviantArt, or even Forever21 (which is real replicas of real products). These are her  sources of “ideas”. In fact, the valentine heart she made for skip last year was a replica from DeviantArt right diwn to the style of the black chain.  For heaven’s sake, she’s free to take inspiration from the ideas of others, but its it’s only common courtesy to give a nod towards the originator if you’re going to copy something down to the smallest detail.  She needs to come off of that self proclaimed throne and  be a little more modest and sincere. Honestly, I think Finesmith has a huge requirement for attention, which would not be able to receive without creating drama (Spliph, Syn are just examples of her dramatic dramas). Be vague about your life if you want but stop spreading such tall,and obviously false, tales. Of course, I will certainly apologize and change my impression if she had the ability to support her claims.

    A Chop Zuey Model

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    • Trinity Graves Says:

      February 13, 2013 at 1:26 am

      As a Former Model for Finesmith and a Current Model for Chop Zuey I have to say I am simply astounded by the comments here. First off Yula is a talented designer when she doesn’t copy. Second Belle NEVER copies. All her designs are original ideas and creations either worked with in collaboration from someone or from her own Highly creative and Inspiring imagination. The bright CAN be turned off on Belles jewels take a moment and have a read for instructions. or look at the menu. As for the quality of her jewels they are highly intricate detailed works of art. They glisten and gleam like real jewels should. Her prices OMG so NOT over priced. Take the time to think about how many tiny prims adjustments textures and how much time is involved in making just ONE piece of her jewelry. Not to mention if you are in her group or even not in her group there is a new beautiful gift placed out EVERY week. Not cheesy crap like alot of designers tend to put out but actual Quality jewels made with love and care. So many people spend so much time here bashing designers and agencys and they forget to take a moment to actually investigate the truth of what they are saying. Get over yourselves and grow up. Fashion is a Business and your not in it if you cant do real investigation!

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      • Go Go Gadget Says:

        February 13, 2013 at 9:06 am

        I never knew fashion had anything to do with investigative reporting?Maybe that’s why you never got anywhere, you where too busy playing inspector gadget.

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        • Trinity Graves Says:

          February 13, 2013 at 10:43 am

          Fashion has everything to do with Investigating. If you have no idea the quality of the designer you buy poor quality. If you have no idea the genre of the fashion you miss style. If you have no idea the quality of an Academy you attend a poor institution. What kind of fool thinks Fashion is not about investigating? Know your business! As for me getting somewhere. I happen to be extremely successful! What about you hiding behind anonymous?

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        • Isoldel Says:

          February 14, 2013 at 11:14 pm

          If you never do any homework to legitimize your sources of information, then how will you ever know if it is the truth or false gossip? But then again, my next statement contradicts that when it oversteps the bounds of SL to RL.
          Everyone on SL has the right to NOT expose their real life information. Just because someone else does, does not make them any more right to claims and accusations than others. It is their personal choice that should not be influenced by those who want to delve into their personal lies just to make a point. Speculate all you want but when the boundary between SL and RL is met, then you have to stop yourself in the investigative process for the sake of privacy to the individual. When you present pure facts in a accurate timeline, then you can build a case but other than that, when most accusations on SL are done by the word of peers through gossip, you have nothing to truly go by to make an accurate assumption. (Assumption also being the key word.)

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    • not a model Says:

      March 26, 2013 at 10:52 pm

      finesmith-chopzuey war is full on and i see belle using her agents to slander finesmith. but i know one thing. belle exaggerates her sale numbers. she not selling any more than finesmith. we investigated & tracked belle using her alts to buy most of cz fashion limited item to create artificial demand. cz items always display sold out very fast when finesmith just show 10 items sold. thats coz yula does not buy her own items to create demand. some of us got suspicious and tracked belle’s alts buying her own jewellery in huge numbers. Belle not really selling for half off. she creates demand at fashion limited buying her own products and sells the same item in her store for full price.

      Yula is honest. yula sold lot more than belle at FFL 2013. belle hardly made 5-6 sales on her riverrock jewellery. why riverrock did not sell like fashion limited item? belle’s alt couldnt buy at ffl coz money was not going back to her. yula sold so many at FFL and raised much more money than belle. yula is a real jewellery designer and will always be. she does not use cheap tactics to put down another brand. cz agents and models must stop spreading lies. now we all know cz is not more popular than finesmith and never will be.
      belle bragged selling two diamond dresses for 250k but frolic already found buyer even before the dress was made.*not real sale* everything to fool buyers and create artificial demand.
      riverrock jewellery sale we all saw at ffl is real cz sale. finesmith kicked cz’s ass big time.

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      • Anonymous Says:

        March 27, 2013 at 8:10 am

        Belle disgusts me. The “Riverrock” jewelry was just horrid and her prices are so inflated I”d rather spend my money elsewhere. So what if she gives out “free” stuff? Its all shit anyway. 2008s “swirling texture” gems are sooo out!

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  51. Disappointedme Says:

    February 12, 2013 at 12:52 am

    How can you say that? Finesmith is a real jewelry maker and she has studied jewelry design.  Chop has not. You see all Yula’s skills and talents from years of study in her creations!

    The models that left finesmith to join chop only did so because Yula was in the middle of a difficult RL situation and they did not have the patience to stay and support a true jewelry genius of SL.

    Maybe you were one of those models that left her high and dry for CHOP as soon as she ran into troubles.

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    • Another Model Says:

      February 12, 2013 at 3:55 am

      What is your qualification to judge designers? Did you study jewelry design yourself? We buy jewels that look good to us. Yula was left high and dry? Are models expected to spend their time in sl waiting for one designer and not look for other opportunities? The argument is laughable.

      Chop Zuey copies many rl designers and she is good at making replicas. However I haven’t seen Finesmith making replicas. Chop zuey jewels are no mod with full bright on and I am getting tired of those cheesy animated floating gems. Finesmith jewels have no cheesy animations and I can turn the annoying full bright off. Yes, I agree Finesmith is better than Chop Zuey but IMO both brands are overpriced and over hyped. I am done with both.

      Reply
  52. A Disappointed Model Says:

    February 10, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Hello dear models, I am attending an event for Valentines Day and I was shopping for accessories to complete my outfit.  I ended up buying a set from Chop Zuey called Stolen Kisses for 1099 Lindens.  What a waste of money.  I just discovered via the treasure hunt a similar pair by Finesmith called Heartfelt and at the nominal price of 30 Lindens.  Maybe Chop Zuey should rename the set to “Stolen Ideas”.  It’s nearly the same as the Finesmith version except that hers is better made and costs much less! 

    All my love – A disappointed model and customer xxx

    Reply
    • laughs Says:

      February 11, 2013 at 11:18 am

      I agree Chop Zuey is very overpriced especially for what it is non mod and full bright is usually left on you can’t turn it off and look like a flashlight,but Finesmith is better made ? and shes never copies anyone’s ideas !!!!!!! are you sure your not drunk too ?Finesmith is the most over hyped garbage out there.It should all be cheap or free.

      Reply
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  55. Between kamilia and secondlife Says:

    November 5, 2012 at 7:09 am

    And for the record Ramonzita, extortion is a federal crime when committed interstate which includes using the internet.

    According to Wikipedia:
    “… extortion may also be committed as a federal crime across a computer system, phone, by mail or in using any instrument of interstate commerce. Extortion requires that the individual sent the message willingly and knowingly as elements of the crime. The message only has to be sent.”

    It’s only a matter of time before someone in the law enforcement area will make YOU their number one priority.

    And i’m sure Kamilia katana has nothing to do with this.Kamilia does not scam or grief groups people or stores.. She has been in SL since 2005 its a normal friendly woman i love her!.. She has been friendly to me.

    The only thing i could say is stop it.!!

    Think about it.

    Reply
  56. Anoymous Says:

    November 5, 2012 at 3:10 am

    Lies lies lies.. You are lying avenger .. Who cares about it i believe Kamilia katana she can even proof it..why don’t people stop harassing Kamilia katana .. is this a trick or something ? Avenger who are you anyway? Ramonzita by yourself.. The fashion world became one big mess because of people like you avenger.. Stop making people black if you don”t know them.. You are just jealous that you don’t have any contacts with the owners of thebodyco.. you fool

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  57. avenger Says:

    November 3, 2012 at 6:01 am

    Please ban Kamilia Katana from everywhere possible.
    We do not know whether she’s an alt of Ramonzita or someone else but she’s just as much a scammer.
    She has contacted several major designers claiming she’s from Armidi, and from TheBodyCo (she even created a facke BodyCo FB page https://www.facebook.com/thebody.co.16), offers them a cooperation but all she is is a scam. She will say she creates mesh for you, then asks for a down payment and vanishes into thin air. She has been faking pretending store managers from Armidi and Glam Affair since 2010!! Why won’t LL put an end to this?

    Reply
  58. Shoosh again Says:

    October 24, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    We have been going through some tough stuff with SL criminal situations that have been going on.

    Some of the names that were mentioned here already as part of this criminal group are Dona Zuzu and Pelu Venom.

    Dona Zuzu informed that her store was “robbed”. If possible, Dona Zuzu, would you show us here where are your items for sale illegaly? We have the url link to marketplace where Ramonzita sells HIS stolen shapes, last time I checked they were for sale for L800.

    Dona Zuzu, if your items were “stolen”, can you show us the url if they are being sold illegaly? Or is just you and your team trying to pull a wool over everybody’s eyes? We all know who you are by now, so, it’s just a matter of time.

    Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      November 2, 2012 at 1:57 pm

      she is nayomi gartner everybody knows it.

      Reply
      • Shoosh again Says:

        November 3, 2012 at 3:57 pm

        yup she is. And Vanessa Knoller. And a group of friends that have come across a way to criminally intent against legal creators in SL. This all has been going on for years, this isn’t new. It has taken years for third party viewers users to realize that SL source code is actually open source. After some years of technically understanding this, with SL development viewers, it was just a matter of time til dishonest people had access to the basic codes of SL. The only thing thing that LL can do to avoid illegal activities inworld is to block all access from third party viewers. And that’s pretty much it. Firestorm teams however are trustable and they work very hard. All it takes it to LL to block all access inworld through third party viewers, but they won’t do it. At this point, it’s too late.

        Reply
  59. Idiocy of Frolic Says:

    October 20, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    I don’t know why I ever bother to read those ridiculous editorials of Frolic.  Every time I think he can’t do any worse he always manages to reach a new low.  His repeated displays of ignorance never seem to amaze me. Perhaps that is why I continue to read, the result of a morbid curiosity.  

    Today I had to read his comments a dozen times to be sure of what he was actually saying and I was utterly repulsed.  10 years ago my sister had a son born with Down Syndrome.  My nephew is the amazing child you will ever meet.  My sister and her husband are leaders of a an organization to help parents of Down Syndrome children in their city.  To think the way you spoke of them as parents being punished!!!  The idea is the most absurd and insulting thing I have ever read, born of the ignorance of someone who has never even had a child.  Given my sisters situation I have met many, many, many, many parents with Down Syndrome children and not one of them EVER thought they were punished or cursed of god for their situation.  The most anyone of them ever expressed was concern that they be a good parent.  That your friend seems to express this sadness is proof that you associate with your own kind and they are unfit to be parents of any child, let alone a Down Syndrome child.  Feeling concern for the wellbeing of the child is far different then feeling sadness or self-pity that your child isn’t “normal” as you phrased it. 

    Your ass always manages to talk more than your mouth.  Maybe you should stick to the things you know best, drugs and alcohol. Better yet, just shut your mouth and stop trying to impress people with an intellect you don’t have.

    Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      October 20, 2012 at 10:40 pm

      That man is an effing idiot!!!

      Reply
    • Lucy Ditmar Says:

      October 20, 2012 at 11:24 pm

      You read his letter a dozen times and this is what you got from it?

      I suggest you read it 12 times more. I have a special child and I loved his message, just like the others who commented on it in his website.

      Keep writing Frolic, intelligent people and idiots will keep reading just the same.

      Reply
  60. NEWS SL Says:

    October 20, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Thebodyco is under Attack

    Ramonzita Resident is on her way to destroy the bodyco because they never payed her the 200K she wanted
    The fabelous store who became famous of their beatiful hair from Armidi. One of the biggest fashion store in SL is under attack by Ramonzita Resident and her alts . She is giving all the bodyco skins and makeup’s out for free as a store gift.
    Is this the end of thebodyco or are they strong enough?. The owners ( angels) are upset and trying to stop her.
    What will they do they could pay the 200K . Coming soon a interview with one of the owners

    And not only the bodyco is under attack. DURAN the hairstore is copybotted to .

    more then 40 avatars did report the Ramonzita account but with no succes.

    Alts of Ramonzita
    Kajiraputica Resident
    Bigbangcrash Resident:

    Reply
    • Shoosh Says:

      October 20, 2012 at 1:05 pm

      Please let us informed if this group of SL criminals – as we all know by now it’s a bunch of kids – attack, for example, ItGirls skin store. I want to know if they do that. Probably later, I’ll explain why I ask.

      Reply
    • Thebody Co Says:

      October 24, 2012 at 3:15 am

      We are strong enough and this wont happen again!!.. We already know who he is. But keep reporting Ramonzita Resident.. She wont get any L$ from us

      Reply
  61. Addict Says:

    October 17, 2012 at 4:18 am

    Frolic Mills its time for you to leave.
    Its getting boring to hear always anything from Frolic..
    We know that you have RL problems with drugs and alcohol
    Maybe you have some good contact by yourself with this Ramonzita. I mean you are talking about her everyday… Do you pay her or does she/he pay you? FROLIC before everybody is throwing you out should i give you one last TIP.. Fire yourself

    Reply
  62. Theperpetualidiotfrolic Says:

    September 25, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Today, Frolic Mills reached a new high in idiocy, when he argued “What is LL doing about this? Absolutely nothing! They are actually very busy making kindergarten apps for iPad.” Of course, Frolic, LL has finally realized that Second Life is a losing endeavor of obsolete software that is polluted by seriously deranged people of which you are the supreme representative. Do you even realize how low a human being you are? You need to close your expensive sim out of fear of Ramonzita or lakers, who could very well be the result of the imagination of Frolic, that would do anything to draw attention to himself.  For years you claimed to be a great economist graduated from the University of Michigan. Any economist in his right mind, and perhaps even a simple baker who knows how to do business, would say that Second Life is now at fruits end and there is nothing left to invest in it.  When a little radio breaks do you repair it or buy a new one? LL has chosen to invest in something new, because the cost of making SL compatible with what the market (i.e. smartphones and tablets) costs far too much.  SL has been designed to perform only on mid to high end computers and not on the current medium of choice, tablets and smartphones. Most people  are not attached to a computer all day like a  ball of lard such as you.  Normal people move, travel and communicate on the go.  LL did the right thing, taking advantage of SL revenues until it is no longer profitable for them, and then investing everything in the real market. Look around you.  SL is a ghost of its former self.  LL not will continue to invest in a niche for repressed and exalted fanatics who waste time listening to a fat 50 year old drug dealing loser called Frolic Mills. Congratulations LL, for once, you have done something right.

    Reply
  63. Laugh Out Loud Says:

    September 1, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    So I heard Ashia Denimore was dating Emanuelle Courtois, one of Miss Mutya judges before blackliquid, hmm, I wonder what happened since emanuelle is drama free 😀 blackliquid should watch her back.

    Reply
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    August 29, 2012 at 1:41 pm

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  65. Anonymous Says:

    August 28, 2012 at 8:32 am

    really guys, if you don’t like it, leave it be.
    MVW is unfair? it’s a contest! sure it’s unfair for some. all contests are unfair to some ppl. let it be and if you don’t like it, forget about it.

    interesting if we get to a point where there are no comments at all at MVW thread. not worth it!

    Reply
  66. Anonymous Says:

    August 27, 2012 at 2:14 am

    the ugliest AV = MVW contest

    The contestant this year are super tasteless nad deformed and ugly av.

    <> look at their flickr page.. they dont’ even produce a decent pic.. coz’ their av are DEFORMED and ugly.

    especially this one. with the deformed unrealistic ugly eye blow.

    Nayomi Gartner - MISS V ♛BRAZIL 2013

    BIG head, skinny limbs.. UNbalanced and unproportional av.
    the uglist of all.

    Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      August 27, 2012 at 9:39 am

      THE FACT IS MVW = Inhouse Model contest of MVW academy.

      WARN all MODELS.> DON”T enter this boring ” inhouse MVW academy contest”… they are only the av modified, manipulated by frolic mills’ school..

      the fact is the contestant this year are all FROM their group. IT is not qualify to named as MISS VIRTUAL WORLD>
      it is only cna named as ” inhouse MODEL contest’ of MVW.. it si NOT qualify to represent SL models.

      they only pick their freinds and insider!!! BOYCOTT MVW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. Betty Draesia
      -(((1.21.2012 Graduation at Miss Virtual World Academy)))<– school run by frolic mills
      -Best of second life BOSL magazine Blogger

      2.Ekaterina Tolczyner
      ((***Miss Virtual World Academy Graduate))<– school run by frolic mills

      3.Nayomi Gartner
      Boulevard Agency-BLVD AGENCY Model <— agency belong to Frolic mills
      Alt of an modelling agency, house of couture model agency

      4. Anigma Eulenberg

      MBMA Graduate (Nov. 2011) agency <— Pass MVW Mimmi boa's agency <-[[ MVW ACADEMY"S Trainer"]]

      5.Meimei Shiu

      \⊹ Mimmi Boa Modeling Academy <— Pass MVW Mimmi boa's agency<- [[ MVW ACADEMY"S Trainer"]]

      6 Kim Rongyu
      Miss Virtual World Academy- Graduate <– school run by frolic mills

      7. Irina Strazytski
      Miss Virtual World Academy- Graduate <– school run by frolic mills

      8. Lolita Paragorn
      Miss Virtual World Academy- Graduate <– school run by frolic mills

      9 can't sesarch profile online.. <— she needs to hide from public?????

      10. Rehana Seljan

      +Dione Fashion Agency model<—-KAY fairy's AGENCY , which KAY fairy works for. and shei s close frined of Frolic mills and work for BOSL maga

      11. Bodza Mubble
      Photographer for The BOSL<—- PHOtograher of FROLIC mills' magazine.

      12. Zaara D (Zaara123)

      Graduate at MVW Model Academy January 2012-Graduate <– school run by frolic mills

      13.sessie16
      Graduate at MVW Model Academy
      Miss Virtual World Academy Graduated<– school run by frolic mills

      14.Natzuka Miliandrovic
      Miss Virtual World Academy Graduated<– school run by frolic mills

      15.. Shinobu Istmal
      +Dione Fashion Agency model<—-KAY fairy's AGENCY , which KAY fairy works for. and shei s close frined of Frolic mills and work for

      16.Starline Igeria
      Miss Virtual World Academy Graduated<– school run by frolic mills

      17.Ananya Mai
      MVW Academy Currently enrolled at Glance <– school run by frolic mills

      18.Linnda Scofield
      Boulevard Agency-BLVD AGENCY Model <— agency belong to Frolic mills

      19.,Dana Yotov
      Miss Virtual World Academy Graduated<– school run by frolic mills

      20, Audrey Cresci
      Miss Virtual World Academy Graduated<– school run by frolic mills

      21 Jade Spectre
      Mimmi Boa Modeling Academy Graduate (02/2010)
      Miss Virtual World Academy Graduate (05/2010)

      22. Hezabel Blackheart
      GRADUATED: MISS VIRTUAL WORLD MODELING ACADEMY<– school run by frolic mills

      23 Dolcestella Draconia

      Mimmi Boa Modelig Academy

      [√]Graduate SOLOEVANE

      24 Mio Linette
      +Dione Fashion Agency model<—-KAY fairy's AGENCY , which KAY fairy works for. and shei s close frined of Frolic mills and work for

      25, Celestial Lunasea
      GRADUATED: MISS VIRTUAL WORLD MODELING ACADEMY<– school run by frolic mills
      Boulevard Agency-BLVD AGENCY Model YACK!!

      27.Nice Wildrose
      -MV♛Model Academy grad November 2011 — school run by frolic mills

      28. Leah McCullough
      CLose friend of MVW Anna sapphire.

      29.Imani Enzo

      , BOULEVARD model Agency-BLVD AGENCY Model <— agency belong to Frolic mills

      30. Diana Balhaus
      Miss Virtual World Modeling Academy November 2011-<—school run by frolic mills

      Reply
      • Anonymous Says:

        August 27, 2012 at 9:41 am

        WARNing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        ALL MODELS IN SL>> DON”T SUBMIT YOUR PIC TO MVW”

        DON”T GET FOOLED BY THEM>
        YOU WILL NEVER HAVE LIVE AUDITION IF YOU ARE not their group of people or not their students of miss virtual world.academy…

        so ..DON”T WAste your time and money to enter this ” inhouse ‘boring contest.

        they all look the same.. like 40s ugly av

        Reply
    • Chalice (Cha Cha) Carling Says:

      August 28, 2012 at 7:56 am

      “deformed unrealistic ugly eye blow”

      God I love typo’s. That’s gold.

      Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      September 19, 2012 at 10:00 pm

      omg that one looks so ugly lol I did not know she was the winner. there were some really good looking avs for Miss Brazil. This is rigged and the only way to fix it is by not participating.

      Reply
  67. Ironic Says:

    August 26, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Brittainy Collins and DebbieDoo Tigerfish should hook up! They’re like the Bobbsey Twins!!! Both of them post too much, act sanctimonious, annoy the crap out of nearly everyone and cannot resist getting the last word. Ironic isn’t it?

    Reply
    • D****e Guess who Says:

      August 27, 2012 at 3:14 am

      truly sorry if you feel that way, and if thats how I come across its not intended
      I just get annoyed when really nice people like Meimei get nasties coming their way, when they wouldnt hurt a soul.She started in CWS and moved on and has done amazingly well, even if we arent friends, she is one of the best models in SL. I dont claim to be anywhere near her standard, as she has turned SL modeling into art..good for her and people like her

      Not sure about Nickle but still stand by what I have always said

      If you dont like someone ignore or mute them, and not come here attacking people unless they have posted here themselves or are a SIM owner, in which case thats what this site is about.

      Dont care what you post about me, I dont know you and have no desire to know you. At teh same time you dont know me, and the pleasure that gives me is wonderful

      Would still be nice to know who you are faceless spineless wonder

      Reply
      • D****e Guess who Says:

        August 27, 2012 at 3:21 am

        and before you whine on and on..its SL its a game..Its fun and modeling is barbies for grown ups….As for Divas pfffft..as for you Spineless one relax, look in the mirror…and after you had a little scream go SL and pretend you are young and beautiful and not old fat and bald just like your mommy..omg laughing so much now

        Reply
        • Ironic Says:

          August 27, 2012 at 2:59 pm

          What in the world are talking about? Not sure why you’re name dropping, when that was hardly the point of my original post….you’re a freak!!!

          Reply
  68. SERIOUSLY?? Says:

    August 25, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Is anyone else surprised that Ashia Denimore picked to be Miss Thailand in Miss Virtual World this year?

    Reply
    • you've got to be joking Says:

      August 25, 2012 at 7:51 pm

      Well, now you know the credibility of such contests.I guess sticking her tongue up BL buttocks has paid off. LOL!

      Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      August 26, 2012 at 12:51 pm

      nope not surprised at all. Ashia is a great candidate for Miss MVW and proud of her

      Reply
      • SERIOUSLY?? Says:

        August 26, 2012 at 1:25 pm

        I’m sure Ashia is a great model, she did great at the Sydney Fashion Week. It’s just a bit of a coincidence that the past couple of relationships that Blackliquid has had resulted in both of her partners applying and joining the ranks of those in MVW and Mister VW. I just hope that whatever Ashia wears or does is from her own styling and ideas and not Blackliquid’s.

        Reply
        • Anonymous Says:

          August 26, 2012 at 2:22 pm

          Well, why not? you all can hire and pay Blackliquid to be your stylist if you can afford her. I mean for all you know models ask help with their friends or even hire a stylist to have a total makeover so why can’t Ashia use resources she have available in front of her. Nothing wrong with that

          Reply
        • Anonymous Says:

          August 26, 2012 at 2:25 pm

          B is one of the best and most successful stylist on SL and people pay her to help them with their styling and makeovers. I can vouch for that. So no its not a coincidence that B has made some people on SL successful because she is one of the best mentors and her hard work shows proof!

          Reply
          • Anonymous Says:

            August 27, 2012 at 1:56 am

            IT gotta be joke… NO JOKE>. she is the close friend of BL. and the insider of the judges.. it will be amazed if she is not picked by all her connections.. THis is not a game of ” true beauty” if is only about ” how close your relationship with the Judge and owner of MVW” … if you see other contestant like ” S 6 ” or ” B” or ” NR” .. u will understand what i mean.. their av is not even qualified to be ” pretty” and they only have strong connections with the judges like working in BOSL magazine or be a long paid alot tutorials fees to MVW.

            if you review their look and AV. NONE of them is really ” amazed” and good looking..Frankly .. i think the Game is deteriating.. no more fun now.

            The contestant are more ” real beauty and special ” look like last year.. with the av named ” faL” or ” Ru” or ” Ca” at least they are really specal look av and GOOD looking…

            IT IS NOT ABOUT FIERCE OR NOT>> IT IS ABOUT picking the BEAUTIFUL AV>. in a Beauty contest, it is not just a model contest.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            so . you prepare to ripped off by paying MVW academy if you want to go live audition.

  69. Proud to be Meimei's friend!!! Says:

    August 24, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Ok, I normally don’t respond to this crap, but whoever you are that named Meimei Shiu as a “bitch” is a total crazy idiot loser!!!! I have known her for over a year and she is the most loving and helpful girl in SL modeling!!! She doesn’t get wrapped up in all your stupid petty drama. She has a creative flair, a keen eye for fashion and has most certainly paid her dues!!!! She worked hard and never stepped over anyone to get where she is today!!!! This is total garbage and pure jealousy. Utterly disgusting. Whoever you are, you’re a sick creep. It’s this shallow nonsense that drove me away from SL modeling. You’re not worthy enough to shine Meimei’s shoes, none the less speak her name!!! Shame on you!

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  70. Anonymous Says:

    August 24, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    top 5 bitches of MVW 2013
    #5 Nayomi Gartner (She is alt of another known model/agency owner)
    #4 MeiMei Shiu (Scammer, dirty player)
    #3 Anigma Eulenberg (another dirty player)
    #2 Betty Draesia ( Kissing everyone’s ass to get comments on her interview, facebook group, her blog etc.)
    #1 ops! she is coming soon!

    Reply
    • cucucachoo Says:

      August 24, 2012 at 10:23 pm

      S*it just got real, yo.

      Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      August 25, 2012 at 12:56 am

      Another baseless comment that you could only do it here hiding behind an Anonymous name. You obviously don’t know Meimei when you wrote that. Meimei is a simple person that just likes to enjoy her pastime in SL being a model and enjoying her time with friends. I don’t know who you are but I know Meimei well enough to say she is a very kind, helpful and genuine person, so that makes you THE scammer, or let me guess! You kept the #1 spot for yourself! Go do something meaningful like water the plants or recycle some plastic instead of wasting time hurting someone here.

      Reply
    • D****e Guess who Says:

      August 25, 2012 at 3:50 am

      Maybe its just me but I thought this site was about agencies, warts and all, so people could be informed, and it allows those who agree or disagree to comments to answer.
      SL is also a game, and fashion in SL for me is art and Barbies for grown ups
      So why are you listing individuals and having your nasty digs at them?
      To call people scammers or dirty players just because you dont like them it isnt what this site is about
      Sure if they come and type here, then you can have you digs, thats one of the things you accept when you post here.
      Also have digs at SIM owners they make income and will expect it, even if what is said about them isnt true.
      If you dont like someone, then you can mute them or just ignore them. Its SL you need to remember that. I can assure you that most models in SL arent models in RL and most probably dont have the latest and most expensive fashions. So they come to SL and live their dream. So what if they act like diva, so what if they win things, its just a Role Play really, and a fun one at that. Also so what if they arent good and so what if they think spending 5000 lindens on an outfit is spending big, especially as its not real, and irl 5000 lindens would get them something nice at Walmart…its their dream so dont ruin it for then
      I also know Meimei from ages ago, and she is a realy fun person, who happens to love SL fashion, and never had a nasty word about anyone. So next time you type nasty have a think about what you are doing, and maybe if you are brave enough type your Inworld name,

      Reply
    • As if.. Says:

      August 25, 2012 at 6:18 am

      Meimei Shiu scammer and dirty player? Which planet have you been living on? She has been drama free her entire time in SL, working hard and spending time with only her friends and staying away from trouble. Everyone around her likes her, even me, my little interactions with her, she is sincere, humble and fun loving. You disgust me utterly, hiding behind an anonymous name, attacking people you do not know. Shame on you.

      Reply
      • don't know Says:

        August 25, 2012 at 7:47 pm

        I don’t know any of those names (or heard bad things of them) so I am more inclined to believe personal issues with those named.

        Reply
    • Anonymous Says:

      August 27, 2012 at 2:00 am

      YES>>>>>>>>> Totally agree….
      ugly .. you see her ” EYE BRow”””””” no.5???? what the hell…

      it proof again .. MVW is rubbish and not about beauty.. even such an ugly eye brow can get in.. and did you see her “Flickr” page????

      all her pics are OFF proportion.. super big head, skinny body.. and ugly AV… and AV photo skills… my god.

      i can’t imagine this kinda of av can get in MVW..

      again.. proof this the judges eyes are blind by $$$.. as these people pay alot of $$$$ to their model course and kiss ass by working in BOSL magazine without paid.

      did you see ‘ NO.2″ ‘s pics???
      my god.. her flickr page is soooooooo amature and ugly

      Reply
  71. Gamer Says:

    August 22, 2012 at 9:00 am

    mmm… are you all aware that rl women play sl in male avatars and the other way around right? this is how the game can be played. Takeshi Kiama is another example. it’s a woman playing with a male avatar. it’s a game!

    Reply
    • brittainycollins Says:

      August 22, 2012 at 11:18 am

      honestly who cares who is a woman or who is a man.. its their sl let them be… oh by the way just so you all know I am really a repressed gnome hiding out from the inherent system of supreme executive power by pretending that really i am a Super model with super styling powers in order to build a collective of Super Models to free the other Repressed gnomes.. “MORE POWER TO THE GNOMES!”

      Reply
      • Anonymous Says:

        August 22, 2012 at 11:08 pm

        Oh how funny, Brittainy think’s she’s a super model! News for you hun; you aren’t even 4th rate. Walmart catalogue at best. No one has heard of you outside this website.

        Reply
        • brittainycollins Says:

          August 23, 2012 at 7:22 am

          your right.. oh so right.. and that is why i am gnome! ta ta a very happy repressed gnome!!*

          Reply
          • brittainycollins Says:

            August 23, 2012 at 9:48 am

            and Listen here you watery tart that weighs as much as a duck! There is Nooooo reason to be picking on us repressed gnomes just because I didn’t vote for you!

        • wellaware Says:

          August 24, 2012 at 8:08 am

          Everyone here is well aware that crazy brittainy aka CB is a couple of cans short of a six pack, so don’t even bother with pointing the obvious out to her. Oh, and she probably the only one who subscribes to the posts so expect her crazy head to pop up after this.

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          • brittainycollins Says:

            August 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm

            no i am not crazy… just honestly tired of the crap that gets posted here… its stupid and mean… its cyber bullying and ridiculous… so why not post something that is just utter nonsense to counter the utter stupidity and drival that pours forth from the fingertips of those who have little better to do then to cast stones and hurt those around them with name calling and insults.

            By the way.. say what you wish about I honestly don’t care what your opinion is of me. I never have and honestly never will.. So insult me tear me down or do your worst and guess what… you still will not cause me to do anything but sit here and laugh at you….

            Enjoy your day do try to look on the bright side of things… I know I do…

          • Anonymous Says:

            August 26, 2012 at 2:28 am

            Tired of the crap posted here? Don’t read it. Easy right?

    • Anonymous Says:

      August 26, 2012 at 1:45 pm

      That just came out of the blue from no where and personally who f’ing cares. Obviously, you are a person that has nothing else to do but to bash people over the web or just a jaded person who obviously have some issues. Personally,I do not care if you are an alien behind an avatar as long as they treat you as you want to be treated, with respect. Throwing these allegations and bashing people names on this site shows you how ignorant you are.

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  72. Anonymous Says:

    August 20, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    For one, I went to Sydney Harbor and the IMA show yesterday and was impressed with all the detail and dedication that was put not only into the set but from the models as well. It was a real pleasure to attend.

    And you know what, hats off to IMA for doing a bang up job, CHAM was an amazing hostess, and the models were absolutely beautiful. It takes a special Agency to be dormant for as long as they have and still put on a great show….great job.

    And a special shout out to all the models from iC in the show you make me proud everyday….

    Kris Messmer
    -CEO, iC Motions

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    • Bravo IMA Says:

      August 20, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      I agree, was very nice to see that. I specially loved the opening with the pictures changing to show beautiful parts of Australia. Lovely!

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      • lost the plot Says:

        August 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm

        I was under the impression the show was a fashion show.Not one person has mentioned how the designers where portrayed and the designs brought to the stage.Yet I see people commenting about how nice the photos of Australia where.Very disappointing on a designers point of view.

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        • Anonymous Says:

          August 23, 2012 at 7:08 pm

          It was a Fashion Week. Several designers showcased along the week. People may comment on the opening ceremony. Just like any RL fashion week, several designers were showcased. Your disappoitment may come from ignorance of how fashion weeks work.

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          • Lost the plot Says:

            August 24, 2012 at 11:37 am

            Laughable, my ignorance?If you only knew!I am sorry miss stay at home mom stuffing her face with chocolate pretending to be a fashion model in secondlife but most likely who’s all fashion sense comes from Walmart.If only you knew how a fashion week works in real life, you would be disappointed to.I suggest before making such an ignorant reply. Get out of your local target and research before you open your mouth about something in which you clearly know nothing about.

          • Anonymous Says:

            August 25, 2012 at 1:15 pm

            @Lost the Plot LMAO, if YOU only knew!! In your case, ignorance is bliss!!

  73. Bravo IMA Says:

    August 18, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Just a big Bravo to IMA for working so hard to make Sydney Fashion Week such a great event.

    Happy to see new groups bringing something interesting to the SL fashion community.

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    • Yawn Says:

      August 19, 2012 at 10:08 am

      This is the first thing they have done in over a year.IMA is not new ,they just never do any shows.It was nice, but interesting?It wasn’t anything new or innovative.There is a fashion week lately every other week.The only one anyone cares about is Modavia’s

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  74. Frolic and Scientology Says:

    August 18, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    I heard rumors that Frolic or Juan or whatever he’s calling himself these days, is a bit bored today with few people in SL and no drama brewing.

    Maybe we can start a fundraiser to get you some true psychotherapy help from professionals because a person that joins SL, with a Scientology background of 16 years, and the motive to imitate L. Ron Hubbard is just pathetic.

    You pattern your model courses after him, you even dress like him for crying out loud.  It’s just creepy.

    The money people give you to cover their training is just an imitation of the training you received and paid your money for.  Want to sell us your version of the E-meter too?

    Not everyone will realize they are involuntary victims of your wannabe cult but I see more and more people drawing the parallels, they just don’t know where your ideas originated.

    Didn’t they always say that anyone not of them is fair game to be used?

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  75. Vich Says:

    August 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Nice to know that I can go away from AR for a month or more, come back, and it’s like watching Days of Our Lives. The drama just continues, and it’s still the same old characters going on and on about the same old things. Truly, isn’t there something better to talk about? Hasn’t the MVW/blackliquid/finesmith/addyourlatestnemesishere dead horse been beaten enough?

    SL is what it is. Who cares if that male model over there is female in RL? Lord knows there are enough “women” in SL who are really men in RL, so what’s the big deal? If the avi is male, the model is male, in my opinion. We can’t help it that RL women create the best looking male avis. *grins*

    At any rate, it’s at least some comfort to know that some things never do change.

    As always, I’m still just Vich

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  76. Anonymous 2 Says:

    August 10, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    No shortage of CWS whiners on here. I didn’t poke fun at a noob, I ridiculed CWS for it’s SOP with their so called, “fashion shows.” Oh so, you’re stating these “fashion shows” require one practice a day? Hmm, that’s not what their calendar says. It’s not listed as “weekly fashion show training.” They have something called, “free model training” or whatever they call it. That in itself is funny, practically nothing at CWS is “free.” Look, its neither here nor there, because the trainers at CWS are a huge joke there too. Btw, I use 98% for a reason dumb dumb, just in case that one moron comes forward to be the voice of dissension. Oh wait, that’s you LOL! You’re right it’s a game, however the whole point, which you missed completely (not surprising) was, the blog Nave Fall wrote, in which he highlighted several “claims” made by CWS, while advertising services they really either cannot provide or are erroneous. Simple enough for you? There’s no anger or hostility towards you. You’re a CWS Kool-Aid drinker and I am not. Thank God. Tell you what big mouth, reveal your in world identity and then I will. Put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is. A lot of good people had discovered they had been tricked, deceived, that pageants were rigged, the scores were tampered with by Anrol, and she and whomever are trolling their own sim during pageants to mess with the contestants walks and poses. Believe me it wasn’t just that they gently decided to move on. Gimmie a break! Wake up!!!!

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    • An observer Says:

      August 10, 2012 at 6:53 pm

      “I am sure you questioned why CWS doesnt do weekly castings in an indirect way. Well a direct answer is simple..cos they don’t.”

      Yeah I never did “question” it, because I already knew the answer and clearly outlined how it goes down. I’m one step ahead of you babe! And what the hell is “an indirect way?” Huh?

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    • Miffed at a retard Says:

      August 10, 2012 at 6:59 pm

      no you laughed at so called noobs….
      As fr Nave Fall….did he ever have to answer for his infringement of copyright for use of the modeling for dummies book?…Maybe I will follow that through

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    • Miffed at a retard Says:

      August 10, 2012 at 7:27 pm

      Meet you in SL …no thanks..disliking you in here is enough..disliking you in two places will give me a headache

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  77. Anonymous 2 Says:

    August 9, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Ok, so here’s the 411 on the “fashion shows” over at CWS. Let’s start from the beginning. Anrol Anthony (fraudster extraordinaire) owns a large sim (no guess work involved here how she pays for said sim). She has created a very large shopping mall there and many designer vendors have space there. This helps both designer and Anrol. That said, Anrol is OF COURSE the larger beneficiary. This mall is where Anrol gets the bulk of her members (I refuse to call them models). Anrol/Steve (whatever) and her/their various avis, patrol the mall area and then send “invites” to the shoppers to join CWS. A few are miraculously offered scholarships to the CWS “university” (oh lucky them). The majority of the members there were recruited this way, they did NOT independently seek out CWS. Remember, EVERYTHING over there mainly benefits Anrol and her financial bottom line. Via said mall on her sim, as mentioned the various designers do benefit. They have signed “agreements” with Anrol for x-amount of time. Here’s where it gets a little fuzzy…it’s not clear by their own choice or these signed agreements, but every week a designer’s clothing is “modeled” at CWS. It’s 98% internal.

    So, at the beginning of each week, Anrol makes up her list of participants. Here’s how that works. The members spending the most and buying pageant slots, get the best outfits and more to “model.” The newbies get the scraps and the ones who spend nothing or very little, get just that….not much to NOTHING. It’s neither here nor there, because the only ones in attendance are the CWS members, their friends and an occasional straggler who happened upon the event while shopping. So, members get these outfits and have to style them anyway they want. They do one practice where Anrol confuses the hell out of everyone, acts nasty and it’s been often questioned whether she’s sober or on medication. Then the big event (LMAO), this is where the members walk down Anrol’s cheesy Trump-esque and gaudi runway. The completely hilarious part is, EVERYONE does the SAME model poses from a set Anrol decided was professional (ROFL). The poor designer sits in the front row, flanked by Anrol and Steve, while substandard avatars, calling themselves model, walk around with their clothing on. And, yes on rare occasions there have been some bigger designer names to be roped into these shenanigans.

    The purpose you might ask? Well, it’s not super complicated, it’s one big “love fest.” It’s a mental trick of sorts. It’s another device Anrol uses to deceive the members who are shelling out thousands upon thousands of dollars into Anrol’s bank account every month. They are tricked into thinking they’re actually a “somebody” in SL modeling. I mean wouldn’t you think so too if you’re wearing a PurpleMoon or Bliss gown and the designer/owner is in the front row? I mean come on, Anrol and CWS must be legit right? Not even close, but several dozen buy into it all and keep sending the money to you know who.

    So yes, something that very loosely resembles something of a “fashion show” goes down every week. The kicker is the end….Anrol selects a handful of starstruck newbies from the audience and quickly sends them one of the designer’s outfits to expeditiously put on (little-no styling required). This is where you will absolutely fall off your chair in laughter, these poor souls are maybe a week old and recruited off the mall floor. They are still relatively clueless and often try to change right there in the auditorium. We all can attest to lag issues, so you can imagine there sits the designer (no doubt biting their bottom lip) as these noobs are walking around half naked/half in their design. At any rate, these hot messes get to appear next to the members in the cheese to end all cheese, Steve’s rockin’ dance number, which is then compiled into the end of his monthly video magazine. So that’s what you’re seeing at the end of his videos under the tagline, “designers.” The compilation of a months worth of garbage.

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    • Anonymous 2 Says:

      August 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm

      A perfect example, http://classicwstyle.blogspot.com/

      If you go here to their site, then page down a little, you’ll see the video for the August magazine. Don’t torture yourself and watch the whole thing unless you’re looking for loads of giggles. Near the end, Steve has it titled, “Fashion Designers.” It must have been a slow month because there are only 3 (LOL). Watch the one for JayGee? Anyway, look closely at the four participants. It’s easy to spot the noobs pulled from obscurity. The poor girl in red….OMG couldn’t find shoes. Also, in reviewing past videos I have noticed a marked decline in not only the number of designers, but the big names aren’t there much anymore. This is a GOOD thing. Seems the word is out FINALLY!

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      • Miffed at a retard Says:

        August 10, 2012 at 4:47 pm

        and here is another funny thing
        Who cares what you think
        Its SL its fun.
        Nobody in any agency or whatever you want to call them is a real model.
        Most just do it for fun, some are good at styling others are a real mess.
        Some call themselves famous SL super models and lots of gay ones hang around Frolic Trump looking for some bum action.
        It doesnt really matter, nobody is going to die, its just fun.
        As for people making money, well good luck to them
        As for people who spend silly sums of money on pageants well thats their business
        Just like its mad to think spending 5000 Lindens on some up market gown is really a big spended. You can get things in walmart for cheaper, and at least you can wear the things!
        So please get things straight in your head. SL is a game. Modeling is Barbies for grown ups. SL fashion is not real fashion, but it is art, and you really do need to ask yourself a little question. Sure ridicule owners, they probably dont really care what you say. However to insult people who do see themselves as models, even if not as great as you thing you are is a little off.
        I am sure you questioned why CWS doesnt do weekly castings in an indirect way. Well a direct answer is simple..cos they dont, and its 100% not 98% who are internal. Not sure where 98% came from..98% of what…if you have 10 models thats 0.2 from the outside.
        As for 1 practice per week, actually its 1 a day, but hey dont let facts get in your way.

        All that said, for the models involved it is fun. Lots have left, but thats true of anything in SL. People get bored, fall out with each other, move on because they prefer something else, or decide they can run their own business in a different way, and good luck to them. However its still just a game, nobody owes anyone an explanation they can do as they wish. I would challenge you to come to CWS and face to face with CWS models tell them what you think of them. You are very brave typing here and being insulting, I wonder if you are as gutless inworld.

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        • Miffed at a retard Says:

          August 10, 2012 at 4:59 pm

          Watch the one for JayGee? Anyway, look closely at the four participants. It’s easy to spot the noobs pulled from obscurity. The poor girl in red….OMG ..

          I think thats particulary nasty,
          a noob?..so what if she is
          Her shoe was missing?..so what
          Did she get on youtube and maybe smile ?..probably yes

          Criticise Anrol sure, be critical of the way things are done, give examples and real ones please of why the school is a joke,,,,thats what this place is for

          I didnt think though it was a place to laugh at people who have done you no harm, said nothing bad, but you find it easy to laugh at.
          Sure you will come back with 1000 lines of nonesense, and get all angry, but nothing takes away your nasty little digs at people who you have never met, which is for them a major major relief I would suggest

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          • An observer Says:

            August 10, 2012 at 6:50 pm

            OMG you tried sooo hard to be PC and champion the SL noobs, but then go and use the term, “retard” in your name. So CLASSY or should I say Classic with NO style!!!! Thanks for further proving every CWS hater’s point on here. We love when you creeps come on here. You ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS make huge fools of yourselves and CWS!!! Keep up the good work.

  78. :-) Says:

    August 7, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Not that I ever agree with Nave Fall about much,But he finally said something right and I couldn’t agree more.
    http://fashioncritiquesl.blogspot.com/2012/07/not-classic-no-style.html

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    • Guess who Says:

      August 7, 2012 at 4:15 pm

      Good glad you dont like it, nobody forces you to go.
      The same is true of anywhere in SL
      You are entitled to your view and anyone can go to these fashion shows.
      No invite is required and they are usually held at 3pm slt every Saturday night.
      Are they the best fashion shows you will ever see?..well that is for you to decide.

      The point of a fashion show though is to sell desgners outfits. In RL you will notice models generally dont wear tons of jewlery, and usually dont overdo makeup or hair. SL is totally different as many shows you will have models camping it up and people in the audience clapping cheering and making all sorts of wierd gestures. Thats fine it is SL after all and fun.

      As for pay to enter competitions anywhere in SL, thats for individuals to decide. I dont enter and never will, and thats my choice, for the same reason I dont rent land or property, I prefer to spend my rl money on stuff I can touch and feel. However how other people spend their money it their business.

      I am sure Nave Fall is an expert on RL fashion..cough…and brings his vast talents to SL. I thought he was a balding teacher real life in midwest USA, and who cares!

      Wether its CWS or MVW, Maniera or Avenue or anywhere really, the people who choose to go to their schools pay what is actually a relatively small amount of RL money, but at the same time maybe have a dream come true that they will never have RL. That is the whole point, its fun, and sure some people do make money from this, and so what, infact thankyou them and good luck. I had great fun at CWS and Maniera, they were completely different in many aspects, but the one thing they had in common was they were fun. I never felt that paying my 7000 or so Lindens that I was getting scammed or ripped off. Classes were always on time, each class had structure and good notes were handed out prior to class. Teachers never copied or pasted from the notes and the atmosphere was always relaxed. the curriculum in both was adhered to, and I was never made to feel silly, even if at times I was clueless. I am sure this is true elsewhere too. Do you get to pass automatically at the end?..absolutely not, but thats the fun of it. You pay and then suddenly find you have to study and work..like huh in SL..wow most of us are in our 40’s, but that was the fantastic thing about it.

      If the schools are shambolic then people tend to vote with their feet early days, and such places dont stay open long. Models also have a habit of bouncing from school to school to learn as much as they can. They can see the bad places and can leave anytime they want. At CWS and Maniera 80% or so of those of us who started, finished.

      As for promises of being the best in SL or famous, well I have seen a few so called famous SL models, and unless I was mistaken they lagged like everyone else, in some cases looked so wierd it was embarrassing, and in lots of other cases were no different from anyone else paying their $20 monthly membership fee to SL.

      Modeling to me will always be Barbies for grown ups, and for others it will be a role play of them being famous stars of the catwalks, and good luck to them both. SL modeling is meant to be fun, just like SL anything else.

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      • Anonymous Says:

        August 8, 2012 at 2:45 am

        “You are entitled to your view and anyone can go to these fashion shows. No invite is required and they are usually held at 3pm slt every Saturday night. Are they the best fashion shows you will ever see?..well that is for you to decide.”

        ok, LM please? or how can we be informed , which group shall we join? i’m really interested in watching one of CWS fashion shows, or all of them, every saturday. Just give us the LM, please. Thank you.

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        • Guess who Says:

          August 8, 2012 at 5:19 pm

          Sure look in their blog….
          This site isnt for advertising shows for any agency so please just look up blog in Google and I believe info is there at the bottom
          I am sure you will go with an open mind, and I hope you enjoy.

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          • Oh Brother Says:

            August 9, 2012 at 8:07 am

            Lmao I have never once heard of a classic with style show, because they don’t exist!!!!!

  79. An observer Says:

    August 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Well said, “Anonymous.” I do think the addiction effect you refer to, differs slightly with an online world as expansive as Second Life. I think people don’t even realize it’s happening to them and before they know it, the lines between pretend and reality have blurred so much, they lose touch with reality. Regardless of anyone’s belief, Second Life IS NOT reality. It does become dangerous, because of the emotional dependency and sense of power people begin to experience. It masks the deficiencies in real life and provides a false and pseudo sense of importance. Reading though 98% of these comments and posts, one is left wondering, “where’s the fun?” There is tremendous hostility, anger and pure hatred expressed. A key component that I believes fuels such intense negativity is the subconscious fear and guilt over the money being spent. This site is devoted to only one aspect of Second Life. The so called, virtual modeling industry. It IS an industry and large amounts of money are being exchanged. The mind-eff happens when you see a product or service in lindens, converted into actual money denominations, appears manageable. For instance a virtual dog may cost $3000 lindens and equal $12.50. On the surface it’s not a lot. After a few days, it adds up and at the end of the month many participants are broke. Of course it’s similar to any other addiction. People have mentally checked out of reality. The “bigger” your virtual persona is, the more lost in real life these people seem to be. i.e, Frolic Mills, etc…. Also, they can hide and that power of anonymity allows people to behave in a manner they would NEVER dare to exhibit in real life.

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  80. Anonymous Says:

    August 6, 2012 at 3:40 am

    There have been several essays written in Psychology, regarding the effects of the web on people. There’s nothing wrong with being connected to any chat room or join 3D web platforms like SL. From the start, SL has never been consensual for everybody: I’ve read articles about people who blame SL for their spouses cheating, others about SL being all about cyber sex, the list goes on.

    SL is merely a tool as is the web. We can do with it what we want. If, for some reason, there is betrayal in a marriage, to be honest, how can SL be to blame? People are behind the keyboards. It’s like the knife that sits on our kitchen counter. We use it to chop vegetables or it can be a weapon, if we decide the stab someone with it. If we stab someone with it, is the knife to blame? Or the hand that used it?

    Same thing with SL and any web platform that allows people to connect. Immature people like to blame it on SL, whatever happens, SL is to blame.

    However, and this is important, there is already as you all know, a proven addiction to online games. Are the games to blame? People who are addicted to gaming. Are casinos to blame? I mean we can’t blame it on SL for people’s attitudes. There is the anonymous factor that allow people to play “without a face”, not only SL, but several online games.

    What I really think everybody should be careful about is that addiction effect. If we spend too many hours playing SL, we may lose the sense of reality.

    There are many people that play SL, buy land and all of a sudden truly believe they are powerful. Not only Frolic Mills. I’ve been in contact with many people that actually feel empowered by “owning” something in SL; and this is where we all can see who that person is. Having this sense of empowerment brings the best and the worst of people, depending on their personal and ethic beliefs. It’s actually very easy to observe and see what people do in SL with what they think they have “power”.

    If we are – in RL – mature and confident people, these “power games” don’t affect us at all. SL land owners have no power over us. There is no reason why people should bow to another SL resident, unless we really feel that person is worth of our trust, friendship, and care.

    This translates into RL in the way we relate to money. Again, money is the tool. It can be put to a good use or not. The ultimate character test is to give somebody a fortune. Then observe how they behave. Money (meaning power) will enhance the best of them or the worst.

    In so many ways, SL really mimics RL. This is one of them. It’s natural that we feel all kinds of emotions when we play SL. We’re just human and sometimes we forget to keep both feet grounded in our RL and just have fun in SL.

    Why do we even care about other people’s attitude?. We just watch, learn and – I confess – sometimes laugh a lot. Because to even consider paying attention to all kinds of power games in the game itself is actually very ridiculous and we can just have fun by watching how some people behave like superstars in SL.

    This says a lot about the superstar effect in a virtual world, as well. As we all know, a RL superstar doesn’t “live” in SL. But we have to remember that those of us who are SL residents, we are the ones that create superstars, by giving them the attention they don’t simply deserve.

    And let’s have fun guys!

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  81. brittainycollins Says:

    August 5, 2012 at 11:45 am

    And yet.. you keep showing your intelligence and your wit by the fact that you keep coming back to the very site you spout against. You continue to be the one to insult and trash those around you.. So how is what you are doing any different then the ones you are spouting on your soap box about.. your behavior is reflective of the fact that you are an unhappy person who is seeking to make those around you unhappy.. and for what purpose.. to make yourself feel more gratified by the fact that you can insult those around you? Well then congratulations you are in fact a bully and have reached your goal.

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  82. Guess who Says:

    August 5, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Maybe the question you should ask, is why do people come to SL?
    Its is probably not difficult to answer, I come here because I enjoy it
    In SL I dont recall ever having an argument with anyone, but have made some amazing friends.
    As for RL yep its around all of us, even you! I wouldnt presume to call you out on your RL as I dont know you, so please dont make assumptions about people who you dont know

    The personal stuff you spout out, means that its very difficult to understand what your point is, I sure as hell dont know. All I know is that I sure as hell hope I dont know you in RL or SL…I will choose to cling onto the fact that I dont know you, and that alone brings me much joy and happiness

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  83. Guess who Says:

    August 5, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Take care and have a nice…..??? I have a REAL LIFE to get back to!!!!
    yeah sure you do…but you cant resist typing in this blog
    Why not try and do something different and be nice for a change, its not very hard
    To be spiteful and nasty when nobody see’s you is so easy
    The things with trolls like you is that you crave attention…maybe your mommy and daddy abandoned you as a baby ape, and who can blame them if they did

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  84. brittainycollins Says:

    August 5, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Do I enjoy my SL yep.. does it interfer with my RL. nope. But it is my choice to be on SL and I am very proud of the work I have done there.. So who ever you are keep spouting and keep ranting because all you are doing is making me more proud of those around me and my choices…
    By the way could someone please hand her some cheese to go with her whine…

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  85. Switch It Off Says:

    August 5, 2012 at 6:25 am

    Btw, this site makes Second Life sound really really “FUN!” What something is “meant to be” and what it really IS aren’t always the same thing.

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  86. Switch It Off Says:

    August 5, 2012 at 6:21 am

    OMG grow up!!! It’s noooo wonder you people escape your real lives. You act all flowers and sweet, yet come here over and over yourselves to bitch and moan. You all rip each other apart and you have the audacity to complain, because I call you out on it. What a bunch of little babies. You’re right sometimes telling the plain harsh truth isn’t very “nice.” Awww, I know that’s tough to hear and it sounds real mean. *smh* Yes, I would say it to you EXACTLY like this in real life. God you’re all so programmed you can’t even spell it out anymore REAL LIFE!!!!

    blah, blah, blah about “opinions” this or that. You all sound the same and it’s a sad sad broken record. I wonder, how many of you can actually stop, look up from your screen and glance around the room or space you’re in. Hey, remember this place? It’s called the real world. If you devoted half the energy, time and money you throw away on this dumb, sick and twisted computer game, you might experience a different result in your real lives. The sad part is, most of you are so lost at this point, I would venture to guess you can’t tell the difference anymore.

    Take care and have a nice…..??? I have a REAL LIFE to get back to!!!!

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  87. Guess who Says:

    August 5, 2012 at 4:08 am

    Switch it off…you really are a bully.
    I dont know Brittainy but would sooner spend 5 mins in SL chatting with her than a whole lifetime reading your insulting rubbish.
    I am not sure about defamation as I dont know if its possible to legally defame an avitar.

    However telling people to shut the eff up because you happen to disagree with them isnt nice. I wonder if you would do that in RL or like someone talking to you like that
    Everyone does have the right to express their opinion, and that is the point of this place

    However reading how you express yourself is not very nice
    Its SL its a game, its meant to be fun. Whatever people are in it for is their business.

    If people want to make money great good luck to them. If they do it in ways you disagree with then either tell them, avoid them like the plague or write in blogs like this.

    However insulting people who you disagree with is not nice. Treat others how you like to be treated yourself
    I avoid diva models, and tbh I know its just avitars and very few of us would be models rl or even want to be. Its just a bit of fun is all. If you feel the need to hide behind some strange name and be insulting then that speaks volumes for you.
    At least Brittainy doesnt hide and even if you dont agree with what she says at least she doesnt leave you feeling disgusted with what she writes.
    I dont hide either and am expecting my own personal trolls to come along, now that would be a suprise!

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  88. At it again Says:

    August 5, 2012 at 12:29 am

    And again we see the anonymous posts of Black liquid trashing frolic and BOSL in her clear style.

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  89. Switch It Off Says:

    August 4, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Wait, I take that back….I DO actually find people like you pathetic.

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  90. Switch It Off Says:

    August 4, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Brittainy, get over yourself! I didn’t point out how “awful” or “pathetic” anyone was. I didn’t “deflie” anyone’s character. You’re an exaggerating moron. Yeah right, anyone really believes you don’t “judge.” What a bunch of hype with no substance, you are. You want to know what I think “you should do?” Shut the eff up and shove your high and mighty BS attitude up your avatar A$$!!!

    P.S. before you point out how classy or not, I am…let me say to you, “I could give a fu@# what YOU think!” Oh wait, you probably don’t do much of that….you know, thinking.

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  91. Switch It Off Says:

    August 4, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    @ Brittainy first, I wasn’t “bitching.” I was making observations. There’s a difference, but you’re not witty enough to make the distinction. Not surprising. At any rate, second thing, I am entitled to my opinion and I expressed it. Perhaps I hit too close to the mark for you, hence the defensive response. You sound all saintly and above it all, but let’s be honest…you were the first to answer my post! Hahahahaha. Readers, I give you Brittainy Collins, case and point!

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    • brittainycollins Says:

      August 4, 2012 at 8:12 pm

      Tell me is this when i should stand up and applaud you for your own creativity? Or should I bow and take the honor *note the sarcasm here* that you seem to feel is your right to disguise as an opinion. I responded because I honestly feel its no one’s business who they are or what they do in RL. I dont have the right to judge others and I will not be the one to cast stones upon another when I know myself am not perfect by any means..

      Don’t presume to know my reasons for responding nor why I am in SL. You call me saintly yet I am not the one who is writing in here about how awful everyone is or pathetic it is that they choose to do something with their time that you obviously do not wish to participate in..

      My response was simply put a response. It was your words that attacked frolic’s real life.. a life that to be honest I have no need nor wish to have knowledge of. What did you gain from it besides the ability to stand on a soap box and spout vitriol.

      Being entitled to ones opinion is a given. Purposely taking someone and defiling their character only for your purpose is not an opinion. So you can call me what ever you wish and say as you like. The difference is I truly just dont care what your opinion is because it will not affect me today or tomorrow.

      Have a nice day.

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  92. Switch It Off Says:

    August 4, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    There’s a saying, “If no one is talking about you, then you’re not important.” What does that say about this entire site? Every single one of you, bitch, moan, complain, defend and try to make sense of senselessness. The majority of you including those who are everyones favorite topics around here, are literally wasting….yes, WASTING precious hours of your lives on the computer. When you’re not wired in to Second Life, you’re here bitching, moaning, complaining and defending stupidity. I’m not sure I get it, so you participate and devote huge chunks of your lives to a VIRTUAL reality to essentially escape ACTUAL reality, only to find the same crap you’re trying to escape, exists there? Hello? Is anyone home? Apparently not, that would require one of you to have a clue and get a life….wait, not another Second Life, trying to avoid the five of those you screwed up. No, I meant fix the first one you were given and switch it off!!!!

    You really have to pity people like Frolic who NOW is so out of touch with his own actual real life, he 100% lives in a pretend one. Very very very sad. The fact any of you give this man another sentence, another breath or another minute of your precious TIME is even more disturbing. Think about it.

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    • brittainycollins Says:

      August 4, 2012 at 6:57 pm

      and yet here you are bitching about those who are in second life but you would never know about Second Life if you yourself were not there.

      As far as frolic’s personal RL goes.. who cares.. that is his life and none of our business. What and who one is in RL is their business and should not be harassed or spread about like common gossip. Why someone comes to SL. Why someone chooses to stay in SL.. completly up to them. No one has the right to judge another person’s life and one of the things that we should not be doing is casting stones about other’s rl. Fine we get it you dont like frolic.. I am sure there will be plenty of others you do not wish to associate with during your lifetime whether real or just through a computer screen.

      There are going to be plenty who do not like you. Does that give them a right to come on here and bash your lifestyle and choices?

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  93. Valid point Says:

    August 2, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    I think that Juan DC has a valid point that SL models have have been blinded because they hope to gain the attention of Frolic Mills in much the same way that teenagers would fill their bedroom with posters of Tom Cruise. Well, the only difference beetwen Frolic and Tom is  that Tom is much better looking but, other than that, they share many other things in common.  If you know the background of Frolic Mills , you will understand and see  how truly negative and  manipulative he is. He needs to appear the opposite of what he is, because it is part of his nature to control the minds of others in SL. He tried to do the same in RL for years but with less success.

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  94. Are you fair? Says:

    August 2, 2012 at 2:39 am

    Juan, firstly, I am not a big fan of frolic mills too so this comment is not to defend him or anyone. However to see you attack him like that over an article he wrote and trashing models in SL like you are not part of the community and calling people a looser in both their lives with no respect, it appeared that you are probably the person that is most affected by every frolic actions. Are you objective enough to post a comment like that and said to let others think or judge? I only see you as a disgrunted person that probably being rejected by your own community. If you can’t show any respects to others you do not deserved to be respected.

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    • hopelesslydependent Says:

      August 2, 2012 at 10:27 am

      @Areyoufair? Your response reminded me of this quote. “The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”

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      • Are you fair? Says:

        August 4, 2012 at 3:10 am

        it’s hard to say who is fighting and who is protecting…in second life there is no such thing as hopelessly depending on the systems because everyone is there by choice so if one is really unhappy with his/her second life then don’t logon, why blame someone else for making you miserable? Whether the facts are valid or not it doesn’t make it more right to attack the general because that makes this person a cyber bully too and I don’t see a different between this person and the frolic mills described. Whoever support behaviour like that is saying it is ok to attack anyone they dislike. If that’s the case there is no systems at all.

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        • hopelesslydependent Says:

          August 5, 2012 at 9:00 am

          @Are you fair said-“in second life there is no such thing as hopelessly depending on the systems because everyone is there by choice so if one is really unhappy with his/her second life then don’t logon” T
          hat may very well be true for you, but for alot of people involved in the “fashion” area, SL IS their life and they are addicted to it as much as a crack addict is addict to crack. When I used to play, I used to see people on my friends list who NEVER logged off. Even when they were sleeping (usually falling asleep at their computers) Waiting for paychecks to pay tiers they can afford in an effort to impress a bunch of strangers on a computer while letting their RL bills go.
          “Whoever support behaviour like that is saying it is ok to attack anyone they dislike.” So disagreeing with someone that YOU “support” and calling them out on their bad behavior is cyberbulling? Nope. It’s called calling you out on you BS and if YOU don’t like it (take your own advice), you can log off, right?

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          • Anonymous Says:

            August 7, 2012 at 2:46 am

            I don’t support anyone in particular here so fat chance of you making that assumption and picking a fight and yes if I don’t like it I can ignore you. It is entirely fine if you think I am bs-ing, I never said you have to like what I said. Just don’t attack anyone unnccessarily because you are unhappy, that would make you a cyber bully for sure, exactly the behaviour your have exhibited…and please don’t blame someone else for your addiction and no this is not bs-ing, it is the fact.

  95. Juan C D Says:

    August 1, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    THE ANATOMY OF HAPPINESS

    Frolic Mills, the Happy Gay!
    Oh Well, our dearest Frolic has now discovered himself to be a writer as well as philosopher and has now decided to shit his pearls of wisdom over large audience consisting mostly of housewives playing the part of virtual models of… of… of the virtual world called Secondlife!!! Oh yes, because you need to live a Secondlife when the first one is a serious failure, right Frolic Mills? Maybe it was too much for you to bear reaching your mid-life without having accomplished anything of note yet, still living with your mother, without a family, without love, and without a true career and a shady past, present and future. Your entire life has been a big lie, especially lying to yourself. You are a total failure. Everyone knows that when your aren’t  in SL that you are busy in other games and virtual “distractions” on the web. So you are the worst example to follow and to listen to. To think that you, of all people, are trying to write about happiness.  What you have managed to write is something that has made us smile because it is a ridiculous expression of your huge ignorance! 

    Your view of happiness is a view of your pride. And you are writing these  things ONLY for your personal gain and business.  Your purpose is to depress your readers and force them to think they are sad people because they don’t have a job in a virtual game and perhaps they should even perform a free service for you because that is the true reward. You are a false and constructed person, full of negativity and double intentions. You spent an entire life lying the others, and especially yourself, and you are happy in your negativity! Instead, my opinion, is that a virtual world should be lived according to that adjective, “virtually”. No obligations to anyone and especially not work for free at the behest of someone who claims it is enough reward just to be associated with BOSL. I find those models that follow you and hang on your every word crazy for their loss of real time and real money and all for nothing that has not even the value of being mentioned in a real curriculum.  indeed, if anything, they should really be ashamed to reveal that they spend most of their lives as an avatar pretending to be what they really are not.

    And as usual you use your shitty words to degrade the concept of couple and family, because you are full of envy and hate for those who have reached love in their lives and have built families.

    When you paint the negativity of the others you are , in reality, mirroring yourself. 

    You carefully use the word destructive in order to avoid the word “suppressive” and hide your true agenda.  Yes I know where you learned your manipulative techniques but i will stop here for now and let the readers try to understand for themselves first.

    Your view of happiness is truly narrow minded and shallow just like yourself.

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  96. observer Says:

    July 31, 2012 at 1:40 am

    I believe, every model competition is rigged in SL. Lately we have seen Miss Bliss and MVW live auditions, results were not shocking, because the best known models win not because they are beautiful and super on modeling but just because they know all jurry.

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    • sad but true Says:

      July 31, 2012 at 12:24 pm

      Sadly, you are right. It wasn’t like this back when SL actually was fun and people went out of their way to be friendly and help. Maybe someone will sponsor a new competition and use unknown judges and models that have limited exposure. Hopefully that would wake up some of those people who keep picking the same ones over and over just because they have been in SL for 10 years and it’s their entire life.

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    • Simple Says:

      August 1, 2012 at 7:06 am

      It’s simple. Don’t join model competitions. To join a competition of any kind, one must be fully aware that the results will always seem unfair to somebody. As long as there are human opinions involved, it will not be fair for some. When people don’t have the strenght of character to take it all – winning or losing – it’s better not to compete at all.

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      • Rumor has it.. Says:

        August 1, 2012 at 11:51 am

        I have to admit that Simple is right. It’s not rocket science that these contests are rigged, and the winners are usually mediocre models with excellent talent in kissing butt. So if you don’t like the rules of the game, simply don’t play. Boycott them. There are a handful other fun things to do in SL modeling than to spend your lindens on any store with unremarkable gowns and terrible flexi-bits. I think people put too much value on a fake crown and the ability to put something after their flickr name, than actual fashion in SL, and that’s sad. After all these silly contests are just ploys to increase sales for a particular store and I’m sure bliss couture made bank off the poor girls who thought they actually had a chance. The results this year were, once again, really, really, really disappointing, but expected. And, probably one of the reasons I haven’t shopped there in 2 years – everything is soooo tragically boring (stating my personal opinion). I thought some of the other contestants really shined this year, so hats off to them! I think they were pretty incredible for being dismissed the way they were and that’s bliss couture’s loss. **over n’ out!

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        • Are you fair? Says:

          August 2, 2012 at 2:52 am

          you speak as if you know how every decision and judging are made and you know all the finalists. Please give some credits to those who have worked hard and finally have a breakthrough in their career. You are judging when you said someone is a mediocre and ass kissing. So who do you think should won?

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  97. Eye roller Says:

    July 24, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Investigation you’ve got your lips so far up frolics ass that if he ate an apple you would shit it!!!

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  98. My whole point Says:

    July 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    My whole point about Markski was not about Markski at all or even the current winners. Is cheating the rules to enter wrong? Yes it is. If women want to enter the male contest and vice versa then lobby Frolic to change the rules. They are his rules and cheating is cheating no matter how you look at it. Havining said that I was not discouraged by the revelations that women entered as men but more by the fact the a judge (Finesmith) condoned it, allowed it, and said nothing about it. We are supposed to trust the judges to be moral and ethical in their decisions. The fact that one of them knowingly violated the rules is a serious breach of trust and makes me question if all the time I have spent entering MVW many times over was worth it. I have never said anything bad at losing and I’ve always congratulated the winners. But now I have to wonder if I even had a chance because the judges are not honest. It even makes me wonder if Frolic knew because he is very close to his judges. A contest has rules for a reason. If you don’t like them you lobby for change. A judge has a duty to uphold those rules in all circumstances. Does anyone here disagree with that?

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    • Investigation Done Says:

      July 24, 2012 at 5:34 pm

      I also discovered that Official MVW judges do NOT get picked until one week prior to the event, and Yula was not on the monthly judging pannel who were the ones who picked the candidates, she was a judge ONLY for the finale.

      So Yula played no part in getting Markski as a finalist whatsoever, in fact maybe it was her who convinced Markski to pull out, maybe it was Markski himself who pulled out, or maybe it was Frolic who caught him and disqualified him. Whatever the story is, the right thing happened and I don’t understand why you keep blaming Yula for something she had no part in.

      Get your facts straight before pointing your dirty fingers!

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  99. *Eye Roller* Says:

    July 24, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Goodness Brittainy, you sure are an angry person for being in a virtual world. Let’s all play nice and move on.

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    • brittainycollins Says:

      July 24, 2012 at 9:36 am

      yes I am angry.. I find what goes on here the character trashing and the harassment of people pathetic. And yet any number of people here will come into SL and kiss the very people they are trashing asses. They hide behind quirky little names so no one can ever tell who they are because truly they do not wish those comments to be attached to them…

      This site was supposed to be of beneficial use instead it has become nothing more then a bitch fest for whiny children who feel that it becomes them to play the bully in an anon way.

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      • Please See Above Says:

        July 24, 2012 at 7:56 pm

        Brittainy-(points above to the title of this posting thread) It says “General Warnings, Scams, Gripes, Rants, Conversations, Cat Fights, Etc.”
        If you don’t like it, then don’t come here!

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        • brittainycollins Says:

          July 24, 2012 at 9:01 pm

          and you think it is ok to hide behind an anon title and bash people for your amusement.. I wonder I truly do what you will feel the day you come in here and discover that you are the subject of that bashing… When something you felt was personal and private is suddenly everyones business.. A title does not give anyone the right to defame’s someones character or place themselves on a god syndrome where they feel they have the right to say and do as they wish concerning those around them…

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          • Please See Above Says:

            July 25, 2012 at 8:22 am

            I don’t comment on anyone or anything tha I’ve not had direct experience with and know what they did to be true. Face it, there are some f’d up people in SL and they get called out on their s**t. Like I said before, if you don’t like it, stay awwwwayyyyy!

          • brittainycollins Says:

            July 25, 2012 at 8:44 am

            and yet I can do as you did and point to the above title and say this is a simple conversation. the difference is this is a conversation about you. I find it amazing how defensive one will get when the tables are turned and their own behavior is brought into question. you say you only talk needless harm about those you have had direct expierance with and yet you still will not tell who you are. Why is that.. because simply put you are afraid that your words will in fact do harm and anger those around you to the point YOUR SL is affected. You think this is a safe enviroment where you can act the bully and say as you please. that it is your right to act judge and jury for those around you because YOU decided you do not like nor approve of their actions..

            Will my words change those around me? Probably not but one could hope that at least one or two people will stop and think before they follow your example. Try to remember this site was supposed to be for the beneficial uses and now it has become nothing but a trash talking gossip rag. Let me give you a few definitions I think you should try to understand.

            Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, traducement, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. This can be also any disparaging statement made by one person about another, which is communicated or published, whether true or false,

            Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion and may be directed repeatedly towards particular victims, perhaps on grounds of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or ability.[2][3] The “imbalance of power” may be social power and/or physical power.

            – both taken from wiki.. try and take responsiblity for your actions before you jump to point fingers at others.

          • Please See Above Says:

            July 25, 2012 at 10:18 am

            Cut and paste is awesome don’t you agree? Don’t you have some dishes to do or garbage to take out or something? LOL! My stance is this, unless someone said something DIRECTLY about you, you should mind your own business and stop trying to tell others how they are supposed to act on a blog that doesn’t belong to you. I have other things to do today so this is my last reply to you. Have fun!

          • brittainycollins Says:

            July 25, 2012 at 11:28 am

            and so you show exactly your true self in your reply. you cant avoid being antagonistic. Instead of understanding how your behavior impacts others you make it their fault.

            to answer you. You made it everyone’s business when you decided to post here. You made it public knowledge and free to post and have an opinion based upon your words. Every action has a reaction. you don’t like my words which are aimed at your behavior well that is ironic to say the least.

            I am not telling you how you should behave. I am honestly amused that you have become defensive and continue to hide. Those who read this will see for themselves that you do not have the courage to back up what you say and therefore that makes it all the more inconsiquential.

            have a nice day and do enjoy your SL.

  100. Investigation Done Says:

    July 24, 2012 at 5:57 am

    Investigation Done!

    World Undercroft is the male and Steele Sirnah is the female.
    This is not a secret at all, they have said so in public in the past.

    Now, LEAVE ESHI ALONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

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    • brittainycollins Says:

      July 24, 2012 at 8:50 am

      Exactly and who someone is is their personal affair. How dare you come on here and use it as a way to trash someone. You sound bitter and angry over loosing MVW. World and steele are two of the findest and kindest people i know. Grow up and stop acting like a child. truth sayer you call yourself but really all you are is a gossip hound who enjoys spreading drama.

      How would you like someone to come on here and spread a bit of truth about you that you didnt wish for public consumption.. no way you dont want that hence you hide behind a silly name.

      Brittainy Collins

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      • brittainycollins Says:

        July 24, 2012 at 8:56 am

        and one more thing while i am thinking of it! This is a Virtual World.. something all of you drama whores keep forgetting! WHO we are here is who we wish to be! that is the beauty of it! TO sit here and decide that you do not approve of that or how they choose to live their SL is wrong and down right pathetic. So what if a man comes here and chooses to be a female or vice versa! This is again a fantasy world where we are only limited by either or short sightedness or imagination you choose.

        I would bet you money that every single one of you have behaved badly in SL. How many husbands and wives come into SL and leave their panties at the door. You bitch and whine about who someone wishes to be yet how many forget that in Rl they are married and go ehhh its a virtual world it doesnt count as cheating.. I bet if one was to look at you personally you wouldnt like it and you wouldnt be so damn quick to jump on a damn soap box and act all moral!

        A very pissed off Brittainy Collins

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      • Truth Sayer Says:

        July 24, 2012 at 9:08 am

        I didn’t trash anyone. I merely stated what is a known fact. FYI, I was NOT in MVW. And yes, World and Steele are very kind people,

        I know people come in as whomever they choose to be, however the whole premise behind Mr/Miss Virtual World is they are the gender they are representing. Frolic does voice interviews for just this reason.

        Anyone can be whatever/whomever they choose in SL, but to POSSIBLY cheat the system by using a male friend/partner for the interviews isn’t acceptable in any instance.

        I never said World was a woman or Steele was a woman; I said ONE of them was a woman. It seems it’s clear who the woman is from the previous statement from Investigation Done’s comment.

        Someone’s panties sure got bunched! 🙂

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        • brittainycollins Says:

          July 24, 2012 at 9:14 am

          yes i do because you might not have stated who was who but you sure as hell tried to point fingers in order to get somethng going.. how about instead of hiding behind a fake name you actually show some gumption and say who you are.. how is what you are doing any different then others on here who are trashing people.. you disclosed information on this site that was not yours to disclose..

          It was a pathetic attempt to draw attention to someone else by say oohhh dont pick on her instead GO PICK ON HIM!!!

          You want to act the child then at least have the curtusy to say who you are instead of hiding. Unless you are afraid of course people finding out that your more then willing to spout shit but not back it up with who you are.

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          • Truth Sayer Says:

            July 24, 2012 at 9:18 am

            “Investigation Done!

            World Undercroft is the male and Steele Sirnah is the female.
            This is not a secret at all, they have said so in public in the past.”

            I believe it’s public knowledge? 🙂

          • brittainycollins Says:

            July 24, 2012 at 9:25 am

            but did it stop you from your attempt? did you once state who you are.. no you can point to someone elses post but the point is YOU posted this to begin with and asked for this investigation because you did not approve of people picking on eshi.

            I at least have the balls to stand here and say my opinion and back it up with who I am. I dont hide behind a silly name hoping that i can say what i please and NO ONE will ever know.

            If your going to spout pathetic attempts at wearing big girl pants then say yoru name otherwise all you are is just one more drama whore who looks at harassing people and oh yes i believe its called defamation of character.

            Does what you did make you respectful? I dont think so and in fact I would be ashamed to call you a friend. You can sit there and grasp onto what you posted but you still posted stuff that was NONE of yoru business….

            If your going to throw stones be prepared for people to throw them back at you… A great saying from when i grew up “two wrongs DONT make it right..”

          • Truth Sayer Says:

            July 24, 2012 at 9:30 am

            I believe I have a catchers mitt for those stones! Let’s play ball!

          • brittainycollins Says:

            July 24, 2012 at 9:33 am

            honey I only play with those who dont hide..

          • CartoonFace Says:

            July 24, 2012 at 8:00 pm

            Oh Brittainy…(le sigh) You really are a deluded creature, aren’t you? I suppose your real name is brittainy collins? Also, I’m sure the people at the supermarket are terrified when your cartoon face goes shopping. SOOooooo….who is hiding, huh?

          • brittainycollins Says:

            July 24, 2012 at 9:05 pm

            those who know me know I do not hide.. and I have no issue being addressed by my real name. My issue is those who come in here and use the agency report which is supposed to give us information concerning agencies out there as a personal targeting weapon. I am not the deluded creature and no my real life name is not brittainy collins, but I have raised two daughters and i would never wish them to behave in the manner i have seen people in this chat behave. Yet you are supposed to be intelligent adults. Tell me since your so worried about me being a deluded creature.. what is your name in SL. in fact tell us all your name and stand up for your opinions. Show that you are not afraid to speak up and voice them as yourself instead of hiding in such a manner that will give you the upper hand to bully those around you.

  101. Truth Sayer Says:

    July 24, 2012 at 12:55 am

    For some reason people have been focusing on the fact that Markski is a female…who cares, he/she didn’t even compete. So how about a real mind blower!

    We all know World Undercroft is the current Mr Virtual World and that Steele Sirnah is his partner.

    Did you know that one of them is female?

    The current Mr Virtual World could very well be female now, but because the male of the 2 does all the interviews, we will never know which is the true female!

    This is a fact and it’s not made up. It comes from a well known source who has in fact, spoken to both of them.

    I think this deserves a little investigation?

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  102. Don't go slinging stones Says:

    July 23, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I am not posting anything in support of black or Eshi, don’t lump me in with them. A comment against the contest does not put me in support of those two. I am posting in regard to the revelation that Marksi is really a woman. Enough people have already stated here and inworld this fact. It doesn’t matter that you don’t care about the gender of this person because whether you care or not changes nothing of their actions. The offense was that she joined the contest as a male and a judge knowingly condoned it. For all of us that spent time and money entering these contests it creates a bit of a question as to the legitimacy of contest. Even if she quit the contest early it does not change the facts of the case or the offense of a contest judge. I have always stood by frolic and poo poo’d the naysayers in the past but this occurrence is different and it’s causing me to rethink everything that has been criticized in the past.

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  103. Just Sayin Says:

    July 23, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Definition of Cyber-Bully (Troll)
    Cyber-bullying (Trolling) involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others. Cyber-bullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation.

    Cyber-bullies may disclose victims’ personal data (e.g. real name, address, or workplace/schools) at websites or forums or may pose as the identity of a victim for the purpose of publishing material in their name that defames or ridicules them. Some cyberbullies may also send threatening and harassing emails and instant messages to the victims, while other post rumors or gossip and instigate others to dislike and gang up on the target. Research had demonstrated a number of serious consequences of cyber-bullying victimization. For example, victims have lower self-esteem, increased suicidal ideation, and a variety of emotional responses, cyberbullying back, being scared, frustrated, angry, and depressed.

    One of the most damaging effects is that a victim begins to avoid friends and activities, often the very intention of the cyber-bully.

    Cyber-bullying campaigns are sometimes so damaging that victims have committed suicide. There are at least four examples in the United States where cyber-bullying has been linked to the suicide of a teenager.The suicide of Megan Meier Meieris a recent example that led to the conviction of the adult perpetrator of the attacks.

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  104. Anonymous Says:

    July 23, 2012 at 3:04 am

    oh FFS. Wasn’t there a post here a while ago that Marksi quit Mr. VW? He did not even go to any styling challenge. Go to the MVW website and watch the video, he’s not even in it as a contestant. For whatever the reason he quit the contest, whether he knew he violated the rules, or he was busted (at this point, there is still no evidence to prove his RL gender.) It’s just pointless to keep bringing it up. Quite frankly, I don’t think people really care if he really is a guy or not behind the computer. Nice try on changing the topic Blackliquid/Eshi spawns.

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  105. Back to topic Says:

    July 22, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Because of the recipe wars we never came around to finishing the Marski issue. The problem is not so much with Marski himself/herself but that fact that Finesmith knew about this while Marski was attempting to pass herself off as a man. That means a judge in the contest knowingly allowed the violation. If a judge was ethically and morally compromised then that makes Frolic suspect as well. Every year he avows that his contests are fair but this incident flies in the face of that. If one of his trusted judges knew then how do we know Frolic wasn’t aware? Is everyone wasting their time and money trying to compete?

    If something along the same scale were to occur in the Miss America pageant what kind of response do you think it would generate? I know this little SL event is not in the same league but I bring it up for sake of example. The people entering are still entitled to at least as fair a competition simply from an ethical perspective.

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  106. Betty Crocker Says:

    July 22, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    OMG…. FINALLY…thank you! They weren’t bots, they were people posting for Eshi, their recipes to try to dissuade others from bashing her here.

    Her Facebook was sending people to the Agency Report site to post their recipes here to spam this site with nothing more than a cookbook. Great idea in a cooking site…but very very annoying in a site with nothing to do with food!

    If you are all interested, might I suggest you buy my “Betty Crocker Cookbook” for some delectable treats! I don’t use spam in any of my recipes, but I most certainly recommend trashing the spoiled items.

    Bon Appetit!

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    • agencyreport Says:

      July 22, 2012 at 3:48 pm

      What a weird way to deal with criticism posted on this website! The strangest I’ve seen yet! lol!

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  107. agencyreport Says:

    July 22, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    I don’t know what started this whole recipe posting thing, but it certainly is very strange! If you want to share that type of content go to a cooking site. All I can think of why this happened is that some individuals are trying to confuse the search algorithms for this site, or it’s just random spam from bots. Sorry all for not being on top of it!

    Agency Report

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  108. Mmhmm Says:

    July 22, 2012 at 4:01 am

    Hah, Eshi against cyber bullying. What a joke. More like using ignorant little followers for her own selfish reasons like trying to stop all her dirty laundry from airing and being seen by everyone.

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  109. Not what she seems Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Eshi is simply revealing all of her mediocrity, probably dictated by a deep inner loneliness and discomfort. Her responsibility for certain atrocities in Secondlife is underscored by the fact that she is hailed by a community of incompetent virtualized citizens as well as a protection by a friend within LL. But in reality it is a childish and immature woman that never matured even in the face of misfortunes and cannot curb her actions. Even children know when it is time to stop the games. That she does not know when to stop at something stupid, like this spam, it is indicative of a person that is potentially dangerous and cannot control herself.  That she has nothing important for herself in the real world and a lack of intelligence, is indicated by the fact that she is spending all of her time to fill this site in futility. Among other things, she also has an obvious taste for horror. with all the pretty girls there are in this world,  she chose to partner with a fat, ugly and terrible person (Blackliquid). Well, i suppose someone just like her.  She cannot detach herself from this virtual life and suffers from it as a drug.   Just look at some of the real photos of Black and Eshi. If the eyes are the mirror of the soul, then theirs are very dark and troubled. In reality, people stay away from people like them. The rest of us are probably fortunate that Second Life has taken you away from the real world of people.

    Note: both her facebook friends are the same ones who are here, virtually and as alts.

    No sane woman would post such an account of her husbands death.  It really seemed a game of fame for you.

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  110. Free Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 11:24 am

    All eshi has done is prove what others have known about her for a long time, she is rude, crass and very egotistical. All you sheep that think she is your friend.. really? Do you really believe she gives a toss about you other than to use when it suits her?

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  111. Had it with the spam Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 10:37 am

    I’m not sure what the point is in spamming this website because others do not agree with your opinions, Eshi. I fact, I and others were quite irritated by your spam to inciting bullying (which is exactly what you are doing) on Facebook. The fact that you also have other people spamming their friends list is even more annoying. Please restrict your “recipe book” to your OWN friends list and your OWN group on Facebook, because truthfully, what you are doing is worse than what you are accusing/retaliating for.

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  112. Free Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 6:07 am

    Just goes to prove how petty and stupid Eshi is..

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  113. Anonymous Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 2:18 am

    Just a heads up for AR managers.

    Eshi Otawara has opened an event in her SL FB account to mock this website and those who comment here. More food for thought for you guys.

    The event title is Agency Report becomes a cookbook, clearly calling people to come here and spam with more recipes. For fun, she says.

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  114. Anonymous Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 1:31 am

    Agency Report has been a website where everybody can speak out, even anonymously for the general public, like I’m doing now (even tho AR managers know all our IP addresses). However, spamming is spamming. There is an issue that’s been descussed here and it’s really tedious to read recipes, clearly identified by the person who is spamming.

    I’d like to ask the managers of AR to think if this is the way you really want to take care of this website.

    Along the years that AR has been up, I’ve seen comments being changed, threads being opened, for a better organization of the website, so that people can keep up with things that are going on or issues that people want to talk about, anonymously or not.

    I’m aware that this particular thread can be open to may subjects and issues, but when people spam, it should be treated like spam. In respect for all your readers, something should be done to avoid this. I’ll leave this to your consideration.

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    • krismessmer Says:

      August 21, 2012 at 2:31 pm

      Well frankly, as I see it, the title of this section is….- General Warnings, Scams, Gripes, Rants, Conversations, Cat Fights, Etc

      So by all rights Cookbook recipes falls into the Warnings category. Please don’t cook using these recipes….just a warning. But in all seriousness, all comments about anything are totally acceptable IN THIS THREAD ONLY…..this was the purpose of this thread topic. So please, post as many recipes as you want here…Betty Crocker would be proud…lol….Just dont screw up the rest of the board please…. thanks…. 🙂

      -Kris Messmer

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  115. why?.... Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 1:02 am

    oooookay, touchy. just wanted to comment and tell you guys so you guys can put it to rest. so there you go jeez…

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  116. Fakers get lost!!!! Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 12:27 am

    Why don’t you disregard reading this too, to make your life easier? why you keep on commenting, does that bother you that I comment on this fakeness? huhhhhhhh?

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  117. why?.... Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 12:24 am

    *doesn’t mean he didn’t get that title

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  118. why?.... Says:

    July 21, 2012 at 12:23 am

    why don’t you just go ask him? even if he didn’t go through the contest doesn’t be he didn’t get that title. does it really bother you that much that he uses that title? do you feel that inferior to him just from that title or something? that tag doesn’t even mean that much at all that you have to go bother people and rally them up for a vote….. can’t you just disregard him? it’ll make your life easier.

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  119. Fakers get lost!!!! Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    If he didn’t even went through the pageant why the heck he is still using the Mr. Philippines tittle huhhhhh? lol

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  120. why?.... Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    why are you guys so hung up on markski? did it even occur to you that he already dropped out early during his year? why are you guys all bitching about it when he never even went through with the pageant?

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  121. It's too late for votes Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    I don’t think a vote is what we need, I think Frolic needs to step up and make this right. I, for one, am having a difficult time believing he was not aware of this. He’s very close to Finesmith who is very close to Marski. She had to have known and as we’ve seen by the posts here so did others. At the very least she is guilty, as a judge, of supporting a faker and helping to rig the results. All of this goes against Frolic’s assurances in the past the the results are not rigged. He has also been conspicuously absent from here and i’m sure he’s read this and is trying to figure out damage control. Sorry but the damage is done. Everyone who has ever entered either contest appears to have wasted their time and money.

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  122. Free Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Idiots.. if you think spamming recipes will make less peole read this.. just plain stupid..

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  123. Fakers get lost!!!! Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    LETS VOTE FOR MARKSKI (THE FAKER) TO HAVE HIS MR. VIRTUAL TAG REVOKED!!!! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! FROLIC WHAT YOU GONNA SAY ABOUT THIS????? THIS IS A SHAME FOR YOUR AGENCY…… MVW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? FAVORITISM?? WHAT A SHAME!!

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  124. well it certainly could be why Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    What is the reason Eshi is posting so many recipes? Is it perhaps to obscure the content that was written here before in an attempt to save her beloved Blackliquid?

    Well I have another theory. It is a well known fact that Blackliquid and Eshi have been fighting a losing battle against their obesity for many years. I believe that they have collaborated with a dietician to develop a new method of weight lost for them. They post their favorite, fat engendering recipes here on the forum and the act of typing is their equivalent of vigorous exercise such that maybe in 10-20 they will have burned enough fat to fit into something as small as a size 18.

    For this reason we should probably endure their recipe trolling as a way to help them succeed in their goals of reducing a few pillows of fat from the midsection. Perhaps blackliquid will actually be able to grow some eyebrows as well.

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  125. so this is why Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    i see why blackliquid looks the way she does irl now…

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  126. Jessica K Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    It’s already been pointed out that Marski is really a woman posing with a male avatar. This is not a problem itself. The problem is her entry into Mr. Virtual World and doing so knowingly against the rules. Frolic takes great pains to make sure Miss Virtual World is all female and I’m sure he does the same for the male version of the contest. So why was she allowed to enter? Are you telling me Frolic did not know? If Frolic didn’t know Finesmith surely did. And she said nothing even being a judge? It’s another display of her lack of moral and ethical values. If I were Frolic I would ban her from judging all future contests of his. She’s certainly a nice and sweet person right up until the moment she isn’t. All of her friends laugh with her when she pulls this crap just as they did when she fired Blackliquid in lieu of payment.

    And where is Frolic after this announcement? Are you can say she didn’t win so what’s the harm? You face a big backlash every year with complaints that your contests aren’t fair and unless you take a side on this issue where one of your contestants entered while violating the rules while one of your judges knew about it and let it happen it will only serve to underscore their points in the future.

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  127. Betty Crocker Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Can someone tell me when this site became the “Betty Crocker” Cookbook? If you have nothing to say…then say NOTHING! There needs to be another section called…WHO THE HELL CARES!

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  128. masterchef Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Food Network has moved here?

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  129. HOORAY Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    looks like these people have finally lost it! i hope they just stay in their kitchen with their recipes and never come out again. they really are so generous though, providing us with so many recipes for ridding us of their existence.

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  130. Anonymous Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 10:07 am

    If you don’t know for sure don’t write anything, that will make you look dummier than Ashia like what you are saying, Scryer Zirgar is a real person stupid bitch. Yes blackliquid has alts but this one is not it. LMAO!

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  131. Mr MVW is a She Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 7:20 am

    Yes, you’re right you can be whatever you want on SL BUT for Marski Glom to be part of Mr. MVW last year and has fooled everyone into making them think she is a he now that is falsifying facts. Who else knows what else he/she has lied about. Shame on you Marski!

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  132. Anonymous Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 3:28 am

    @Admiring black

    “For all of you perverts out there, Markski is a woman so why does she need a male skin and shape?”

    And why would you even care? What business is it of yours that someone choses to be inworld with a nekko avatar, a kid’s avatar, whatever? Hello?!? This is SL!

    If you so admire black and you think this is so perv, ask her why the hell did she fall for a woman in a male avatar LMAO she felt so hard that she still can’t leave him alone.

    Why is she partnered with herself (Scryer Zirgar – black’s alt) in SL while poor Ashia (being a female avatar) is so adoring black(also a female avatar) . Gay thing right here. OMG! Are they gay? Are they bi? This is a shock for everybody in SL! Are black and Ashia having sex on screen with black’s son in the same room in rl?? Perv thing again! It’s the end of the world as we know it!!

    I wonder if black taking is her pills for her forever ongoing depression? Cause Eshi may need some. I mean Eshi is alluciating right here on AR. we can diagnose a severe case of allucinogenic mushrooms, caused by the recipe thingy going on.

    And hey, keep admiring black, she surely needs it after all this LMAO.

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  133. Anonymous II Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 2:30 am

    Ashia Denimore, you stupid little fool. It is so easy to see right through you. You should be ashamed of yourself for discussing someone’s RL information. How low class of you in a fight you really don’t have a part in. You obviously know only one of blackliquid’s personalities because she has not shown you the others yet. You do not even really know her. You have proven yourself to be as disgusting as she is with your participation in what she did to Markski. You’ll now be as much of an outcast as she has become – not that you were anyone notable before this anyway, which is probably why your head is up her ass. What a dummy you are.

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  134. Soup's On! Says:

    July 20, 2012 at 2:16 am

    Ingredients:

    1 cup of jealousy
    2 quarts of erratic mood swings
    8 whole tantrums, peeled and sliced
    2 1/2 cups of friendships gone stale
    2 cups of romantic rejection
    4 cups of revenge
    1 uncooked ass-kissing wannabe model minion
    1 overcooked washed-up has-been diva

    Toss the jealousy and mood swings into a large stock pot. Stir while adding tantrums until the mixture is thick and murky. In a separate bowl, whisk together the stale friendships and the romantic rejection. Gradually add the revenge until the concoction turns black and dump this into the large pot, adding to the jealousy, mood swings, and tantrums. Add the ass-kissing minion and let the stew simmer. Just before serving, toss the washed-up has-been diva into the pot. Stew is ready to serve when the noise stops. Serves 12. Enjoy with a warm piece of humble pie.

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  135. I wish I can have blackliquid Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    I am admiring Eshi and Ashia for standing up for Blackliquid, strong powerful women that makes a difference on SL. Ashia I wish I was in your position right now, two thumbs up for you, you are a lucky girl.

    Just blackliquid fan.

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  136. Not feeling well. Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    These are fabulous recipes, but I couldn’t eat another bite! Would you care to share the recipe you use to continue to associate yourself with someone many people cannot tolerate? Is it Pepto bismuth? Does that fix your cases of blackliquid? 😀

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  137. They're all gonna laugh at you! Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Amen.

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  138. They're all gonna laugh at you! Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    JESUS FEBREZE-US. Let us pray…dear lord, help us get past these wretched woes (blackliquid) by giving us the strength to not hire her for she has publicly shown us she is not as professional as her anonymous alter ego says she is.

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  139. TLDR Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    i guess eshi doesn’t know what TLDR means. poor thing.

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  140. TLDR Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    blackliquid is forever a washed up diva and has been for the longest time. the damage was done ages ago, but these new ignorant ass chasing puppies keep popping up to feed her enormous ego while she constantly claws to hang on to any attention she can find. none of your little essays you little ass chasing puppies post will change anything. so, TLDR.

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  141. Admiring Black Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    You are all pathetic liars, enormously envious, and denied the reality of the facts about Blackliquid. The fact is that Blackliquid is a very good person, generous, creative, honest and with a high sense of professionalism. Because she asks so much of herself she also demands a lot from others.  She lives  her career as a supermodel in SL with all of the professionalism comparable to that of a real model. She has modeled for top designers, for great magazines such as Avenue and Modavia, she’s a photography genius and a model that sells products. Blackliquid expresses a professional attitude and great skills in all she does.

    Her name is associated with all of the best charity events. She is a true icon of style evidenced by how well she’s followed on flickr. You cannot simply accuse Blackliquid and Eshi, who have demonstrated over the years, that they are the best model and the best designer in Second Life, that they have copied Yula finesmith.

    I definitely think that Yula Finesmith couldn’t boast a resume like Eshi Otawara (who has won real prizes and has university degrees in the arts). Eshi has never used the full perms sculpties available on marketplace for her designs, while Yula relies on those purchases (without changing them at all from how they appear in marketplace I might add), she imitates real jewelry designers (just look at deviantart and the heart she copied in every detail from there for skip), she copied the ideas of Eshi (see her umbrellas), she asked Black to do all of her photos and, as opposed to Eshi, she has no real educational background to back up her supposed skills. Eshi used Blackliquid as a muse to be creative, while Yula Finesmith used the skills of Blackliquid to be creative. Yula has no imagination. Why do you think she is such a failure in real life? She can do nothing more than put together sculpties which she buys from marketplace. If Yula didn’t hire the best photographers to make her jewelry look the best it can in photos she would never sell anything. We all know how different the real thing is from the photos she uses to promote. It is pathetic! Blackliquid is the undisputed queen of fashion and she will be for many years to come.

    For all of you perverts out there, Markski is a woman so why does she need a male skin and shape?

    Oh, bop, do do do do do do do do Fa-fa-fa-fa-fashion

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  142. Anonymous Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Black!! Finally you decided to show up here!! You’re the only one who actually could spell your SL name correctly!

    or probably you’re Eshi, also a good blackLiquid’s supporter (yay I also spelled it right!)

    Definitely, blackLiquid made a very smart move: how many models out there in SL do have a shape with their names? Not so many, I guess. Now Marksi Glom has a shape with his name. He’s definitely famous! And thanks to black’s ability to make good shapes! That’s what I call generosity! A heart full of generosity! Thank God there is a blackLiquid out there! Very smart move, indeed 😉

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  143. Anonymous Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Do I hear a tad bit of jealousy here? Smart move on blackLiquid, hats off to her! I’m sure Marski deserved it, since he only associates with those he can benefit from and once he’s done he moves onto someone else he can leech on. And who are you to judge people’s lives outside of SL? Really, you need to find yourself a life then spend all your time on here bitcin’ about others. Obviously you must have some kind of hangup on blackLiquid to keep talking about her. As for Ashia, she is a wonderful, strong woman and a good friend I am glad to have gotten to know so for you to say she’s a brown noser, look in the mirror at yourself first before casting the first stone!

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  144. @Ashia Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Ashia, Markski’s gender in RL doesn’t matter. Did Blackliquid offer him a female shape? No, she didn’t.

    Now, what you should think about, girl, is why is Blackliquid still partnered with her alt in SL – Scryer Zirgar – and hasn’t partnered you.
    And why is she still after Markski LMAO? Are you sure she loves you or does she still have such a a crush on Markski (rl male or female, doesn’t matter) that she keeps attacking and attacking. Why is that? Food for though huh?
    Are you sure you’re defending the right person ;)?

    If Blackliquid already forgot Markski dumping her, why is she still after him or her (whatever you prefer) ?

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  145. Ashia Denimore Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Who said Markski is a man??? looool. I will leave it there. I have my own opinion, confident and secured. I don’t need to kiss anybody’s ass, oh please.Those who are so perfect telling blackliquid off, how about you show your RL picture and see who will be hotter you or her lol. This site is so entertaining I am enjoying it for now, but you guys need to be good I might get bored easily.

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    • krismessmer Says:

      August 21, 2012 at 2:11 pm

      Ashia,

      I don’t care who you like or dislike….I just read your profile and I love it!! Why haven’t we talked before? IM me. I’ve never had an issue with anyone, including blackliquid, she came and went from iC Motions without much more than a breeze, to each their own I say.

      I’m not one to bring upon the drama or even put up with it…..but I must say I agree with you, reading this stuff is like crack!! Just makes me sit back and laugh….so entertaining…

      and to all the iC models and staff out there you bring me nothing but adoration and respect for your professionalism and hard work. Love you all,

      -Kris Messmer
      CEO, iC Motions

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  146. Meh Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    I guess Markski saw her RL photo and got the F out of there! LOL! What does Blackliquid’s husband and child(ren) have to say about her being with other men in SL? I swear, you grown women with little kids should be focusing the time you spend in SL on your kids.
    Aisha, sweetie, your nose is so brown and so far up her ass it’s a wonder you can breathe.

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  147. To Ashia Says:

    July 19, 2012 at 4:00 am

    What Blackliquid did with Markski Glom’s shape was outrageous! First of all, she offered him the shape. Period. Does it make sense to ask him not to use it? Blackliquid gave it to him, no conditions asked! Then, cause he just decided not to be with her, she just attacked back.
    Ashia, if you think that a person who claims back an offer is a good person, think twice.
    Then, the ultimate and the most unprofessional thing to do: give away the shape for free, promoting it inworld and in her Flickr account, even adding private information given to her by Markski himself – the skin he was wearing. Blackliquid had no right to publicly share the skin he was wearing. All of that cause Markski dumped her? Think twice again Ashia, cause you are with Blackliquid now; one day if you dump her she will attack you , too. Be sure of that, girl!

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  148. Ashia Denimore Says:

    July 18, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Whoa first of all, An old ex of blackliquid, protect yourself…please.. and Oh So Sour, nice to meet you, I think we will be seeing each other more after this post then. I am new in this site aren’t you wanna welcome me?

    Don’t you think everyone has the right to work with whoever they want? we are a free country and has a free will. Plus I hope you are too hot to not be ashamed of saying all those things. Blackliquid is one of the amazing people in SL, inside and out. I know this because I got a chance to get to know her and yes I cannot wait for you to say bad things about me too just for replying on this site but I am not afraid. I cannot wait to get to know you more.

    P.S Vero Modero is the best place to work ever, Bou is a great person whoever knows her will agree with me.

    More Power,
    Ashia Denimore

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  149. An old ex of blackliquid Says:

    July 17, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Blackliquid is a dangerous subject. After having problems with Yula she soon decided to support Vero Modero (famous for copying the work of the talented Gizza who is a dear friend of Yula) and badmouthing Gizza to no end. Not content with this alone, she asked Eshi to build products for her that were originally ideas of Yula. It would be interesting to have a look at the  inventories of Blacks alts to see how many copybotted items of these creators she has and has shared full perm. I am embarrassed to have ever had anything to do with you blackliquid. Oh, and maybe you should stop eating cake.

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  150. protect yourself...please.. Says:

    July 17, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    ugly. voldemort face. i wish i can cast crucio on her. she is so riddikulus. i learned a new charm…. one focuses his/her mind on the most beautiful person he/she has ever seen and incant the spell, “EXPECTO BLACKLIQUM!” extremely effective in repelling the atrocious muggle accurately named blackliquid and any other ugliness. please, spread the word… whenever one has an unwanted encounter with this abomination, “EXPECTO BLACKLIQUM!!!”

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  151. Oh So Sour Says:

    July 17, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Blackliquid, sour grapes made you give away the shape you made for a guy who wanted nothing to do with you and going so far as to post it in groups.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackliquid/7592292748/in/photostream

    You really are as pathetic as they say. No wonder you’re becoming the social outcast of the modeling world and nobody wants to work with you anymore. And you wonder why people talk about you. Look in the mirror.

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  152. Anonymous Says:

    July 14, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Figured I should probably share the attempt to start Virtual Male Models, particularly with the owner appearing to have no previous experience (I’ve done a google search) with modeling and no picks in his profile. He has also made homophobic statements. It all throws up red flags for me.

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  153. The Late Great Aspen Parx Says:

    July 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Well 2012 Mr Virtual World was a big disappointment! I thought
    2011 was much better. I thought Mr UK was not what I expected
    the fact he won was a surprise. SL has changed in the year I’ve been gone, can’t say I miss it at all. Frolic my hats off to you for still making money after all these years, at least your not getting any of mine LOL.

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  154. yula finesmith Says:

    July 2, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Two Cannibals were eating a clown. One Cannibal Turned to the other
    and asked, “Does This taste a bit funny to you?”

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  155. xiafirethorn Says:

    July 2, 2012 at 9:09 am

    As a close friend of Vivien Emerald, I can honestly say That she is NOT an alt of Xanadu.
    so in response to the xanadu scammer post that says she is, I suggest that unless you know them personally, you keep your mouth firmly shut and your incorrect assumptions to yourself.

    Vivien Emerald is a very stylish and classy model for a start, and also, she produces extremely classy and stylish clothes for her new Desir’ store,.

    BIG DIFFERENCE methinks.
    just my two pence worth.

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  156. Informed Anonymous Says:

    July 1, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    I know that Xanadu Damiano booked a shoot with RVA Studio’s Badon Rain and then stiffed him on the bill. Have a look at his profile feed. I’d agree with the call of scammer and frauster.

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  157. Xanadu = Scammer Says:

    July 1, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Vivien Emerald = Xanadu Damiano Shim Mosley Yula Finesmith

    Xanadu Damiano = SCAMMER
    Xanadu Damiano = FRAUDSTER
    = 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Xanadu is attempting to extort money from people by organizing a FAKE charity!!!

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  158. Anonymous Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    @ Black Toilet, aren’t you a little sweetie.

    If Blackliquid is a psychopath, then my dear you are a sociopath. As you clearly have shown many of the traits for one. Sadly maybe you can both attend the same hospital 🙂 I do hope over time, your condition improves and that you life will get back to it normal mode of existance.

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  159. Black Toilet Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    She is an avatar that presumes to be UNIQUE in second life as a model, a photographer and a designer, winning over everyone and everything, a dominatrix behind a monitor sitting on her real life throne, a giant toilet. She has no love or anyone and no real friends. Her only love is the love of money. Life has not given her the gift of the beauty, she is overly obese with a flabby ass and huge, failing tits. She is as dirty inside as out, selling her fat ass as a slut, earning money in Rl with sexual activities, in other words, prostitution. yes Blackliquid tokyoska is a professional whore. And this woman has the presumption that she is an icon of style in Secondlife, insulting and threatening everyone, especially those who gave her help and money. Only Modavia, a haunt for prostitutes, would actually promote such a shame of a women! She is a vampire who sucks the blood of her victims to the last drop, as she is doing with Yula. A moneylender from the virtual world, who does nothing for anyone without gain for herself. Yula has been a slave of the mistress Blackliquid for many months, being taken advantage of because of financial problems. Blackliquid is a psychopath that should be locked up in an asylum before ending up in a criminal hospital, because she could kill a person with all the evil and filth that she has inside.

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  160. Anon Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Awwwww sweet Andrzej… did someone give you the idea that you had any kind of relevance any more? You haven’t had for years darling. Hurry along, it’s almost 7pm – isn’t that around the time you usually fake your own death?

    You aren’t allowed to play with the adults any more. Kiddies table is to the left.

    Shoo.

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  161. Cade Nansen Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Wooot! I don’t even know this person and I made the bitch list. Hi5 everyone who got on it… you’re doing something right… or else people wouldn’t be talking.

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  162. jesika Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    I highly doubt Truth would take the time to post something out of the blue in regards to myself…when I’ve had absolutely no contact with him.

    And thank you for asking God to do anything in my regards, I consider myself very blessed and am sure this is seen as useless chatter in the mind of all that’s going on in the world….just sayin’

    Best,
    ~jes

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  163. Mavi Beck Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Yey I am number one! I don’t know what I did but yeeey!

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  164. Truth Hawks Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Jesika , We are asking you once again to let Kamilia doing her own things in peace.. She doesnt have time for this kind of game. And me neither.. I know everything about it and i’m asking you to leave her alone. otherwise this will have consequences.

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  165. Free Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Oh it’s so wonderful to see people sink to such depths *rolls eyes*.
    Children grow up please..

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  166. Anonymous Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Dear lovely Jesika…
    You are the worst person i have ever seen!!
    But where the hell Are you TALKING about?
    You are sick in your head… God should kill you little ugly lesbian slut…

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  167. jesika Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 11:47 am

    I suppose I should be flattered…means my bitchy street cred is working?

    But in all seriousness let it be known the following accounts are one. I’ve reported every incident and muted each (not that i think that does anything…but give me a bit of peace). And I would suggest anyone who doesn’t wanna get pulled into some stupid drama do the same. This has been ongoing for me for over 2 years…and i guess when he/she gets bored they go on the attack.

    Same accounts:
    Kamilia Katana
    Andrzej Makarov
    Ryszard Merchiston
    Yourblacklist Resident

    Best of luck,
    ~jes

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  168. Anonymous Says:

    June 25, 2012 at 7:39 am

    TOP 10 BITCHES IN SECONDLIFE !!

    1) Mavi Beck — Store Manager for MIAMAI
    2) Rusch Raymaker —– CEO AVENUE
    3) Jesika Contepomi —– CEO redlilyMEDIA
    4) Eishi otawara —— Unknown
    5) Cade Nansen —— CEO redlilyMEDIA
    6) —————–
    7) NevaCrystall Resident —— Co-owner of the NEVA RIVER SIM
    8) Angelik Slade ———- Phillip’s jealous exwife
    9) Kamilia Katana ——- CEO of herself?

    Frolic Mills? With who of them did you take a nap?

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  169. .. with her big smooshed face head Says:

    June 23, 2012 at 12:16 am

    I love that video! It’s amazing. I guess it’s a good thing they decided not to include her. They probably knew she would’ve ruined it.

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  170. Anonymous Says:

    June 23, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Apparently yours is uninteresting as ours.. or you wouldn’t come here and spend time reading all these cat fights and drama. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

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  171. Anonymous Says:

    June 22, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    This is the problem with SL, the petty cat fights and drama. Are your lives that uninteresting you have to pick on people. Grow up and get a life as its clearly shown you lack one!

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  172. diuqilkcalb Says:

    June 22, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    wow… Zack should thank her for honoring him having such kind of influence to decide who should be in the top 60 in the Bliss contest. Maybe this person should stop blaming everyone and start thinking why even the agency she works for not include her in their video.

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  173. anonymousmyfoot Says:

    June 22, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    The person who cannot even make top 60 in that Bliss contest and blames everybody excpt herself is blackLiquid? What a revelation! Speaking of brown nosers, you are kissing her ass so hard. At least he had the guts to defend himself against the lies she is spreading.

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  174. Anonymous Says:

    June 22, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Zach LOL biggest brown noser had the guts to call out blackliquid on his blog and cant keep anything to himself. Drama drama drama is all you are

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  175. Meh Says:

    June 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Bish please! Have you people even seen a recent photo of Ms. Blackliquid? The photos she shows everyone are old as hell. LOL! Well, she looks like HatchetFace from that movie Crybaby (google and weep). Drug abuse and bad living will do that to you. Shut the Front Door…Bww ahahahahhahha. I’ve seen corns on peoples feet cuter than you bish.

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  176. Anonymous Says:

    June 18, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Oh she didn’t!

    Blackliquid hun, you are as responsible for Finesmith’s sucess, as a dead cat is to a successful wedding. Get over yourself!

    You are just a model, and not even a very good one. Any model can model Finesmith with more success than you ever did.

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  177. be wary Says:

    June 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    None of that makes any difference or takes away from the fact that Blackliquid is the reason for any and all of Finesmiths success. The talent came from Blackliquid. The ideas came from Blackliquid. The money came from Blackliquid.

    It really doesn’t matter if they had disagreements, fought, or hate each other now. From an ethical standpoint Finesmith should have paid Blackliquid everything she owed her. If Finesmith had screwed over anyone else of you like this, taking your money, your friendship and using you then you all would be screaming for her head. Because it happened to Bkackliquid you think it’s justice because you don’t like her. But it doesn’t make it any more right and it exposes the true colors of Finesmith.

    I can understand the comment about Xanadu and Finesmith from the point that they have both engaged in unscrupulous acts at the expense of others. It’s no wonder they associate with each other because evil seeks itself out. The fact that they ejected what you would consider one of their own does not change who either of them are and you should all be wary.

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  178. Zachary Zufreur Says:

    June 17, 2012 at 12:53 am

    Wow hey, i am flattered u think i have 10% talent. As with the other 90%, i have to agree with u, since i decided to take a step back from modeling in March this year to focus on the magazine and my blog, i have had to kiss the ass of wordpress, flickr, adobe photoshop and issuu to run smoothly so i could get things done on time. That is A LOT of asskissing i need to do to meet deadlines, hence 90% is a relatively good estimate.
    Also, I do not have control over situations when designers IM me to model for them. Maybe you should IM them with your theory/opinion of me, who knows, they might hire u in my place, when they do, u might achieve 90% asskissing and you can reduce ur level of bitterness to 10%.

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  179. Swami Says:

    June 16, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Zach — LOL
    Now there’s a laughingstock if there ever was one. Zach IS a biatch and is the poster child for kissing ass to get ahead, common knowledge to pretty much all. Zach is 10 % talent and 90 % ass kissing and positioning himself around people who he thinks can do something for him, and the latter is the only reason he’s got any shred of success. Outside of his little clique, Zach is a joke, and I’m sure Blackliquid could care less whether he likes her or not, just like lots of people out here.

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  180. disgusted Says:

    June 16, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Oh? That post sounds suspiciously like Finesmith but didn\’t she say that she was against anonymous posts? Or maybe she said it simply because Frolic did. The little ass kisser. In reality she supports only those things that benefit her and only in the moments that they do, the hypocrite. She\’s been trying to worm her way into Frolic\’s inner circle and kissing his ass for years. I know because she confided in me many of her dirty little secrets. Take a closer look at the Xanadu/Finesmith relationship. There\’s more there than anybody realizes.

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  181. diuqilkcalb Says:

    June 16, 2012 at 2:10 am

    haha.. nice try, zach hates that biatch

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  182. Zack Zurfer Says:

    June 15, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    i treat her as a friend. after i get more well known in SL, she start to insult me. i am really hurt, i see her as a real friend, i cry for days when she insults me.
    even now, when i see her name, i burst into tears. i once dream of marry her because she’s so beautiful RL
    Even now that she treats me rudely and blackmails me, i still dream of her, and i cry every night, i miss her..

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  183. seeing truth Says:

    June 15, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    I agree.

    Blackliquid is a geniusly skilled and talented woman. Could it be that there is a reason she belongs to the best agencies?? MAYBE SHE IS JUST A GREAT SUPERMODEL? If you say NO it is clear sign of your envy!!! Unlike other models she shows that she is a REAL person. She doesn’t hide herself, her name, her photo, and she has demonstrated great fashion, in both SL and RL, as woman and as graphic/photographer and as a MISTRESS.

    Unlike yula finesmith, BLACKLIQUID is a professional dominatrix with A HEART. finesmith is only trying to copy the Mistress Blackliquid, but she is lacking a necessary piece, the HEART.

    finesmith should be kneeling in front of Blackliquid and kissing her feet for all that she did for her.

    – Blackliquid offered her a sim when she was having financial problems
    – Blackliquid did a lot of incredible photos for her
    – Blackliquid recommended her for designer’s groups
    – Blackliquid did shows for her
    – Blackliquid helped her with adverts
    – Blackliquid is the source of finesmith’s best ideas……….. ATRUE MUSE
    – Blackliquid exposed herself to help finesmith with problematic situations, especially with models finesmith didn’t liked.

    finesmith forced black to look like the evil one when in reality the evil one was her and only her.

    WHO IS yula finesmith without Blackliquid??!!? Nobody!!!

    MODELS HAVE BEEN LEAD TO BELIEVE THAT BLACKLIQUID HAS BEENCONTROLLING FINESMIT, BUT THIS WAS ONLY BECAUSE FINESMITH WANTED THEM TO THINKTHAT!!! IN REALITY FINESMITH USED BLACK TO MAKE HER APPEAR BAD WHEN SHE HAD TOSAY NO TO SOME MODELS!

    What did finesmith do? She paid Blackliquid less than the amount they had agreed on and then she fired her.

    finesmith wants to demonstrate that she is the big diva and the big mistress and the only way for her to do this is to screw over the real one, Blackliquid Tokyoska, and take her place.

    Blackliquid doesn’t need yula finesmith’s money. She is not as greedy as her. The problem is that yula finesmith used a lot of skilled models, promising oceans and mountains, and she paid them nothing or less than what she promised, especially the females. And there is a reason for that too. Too many noticed what she was doing with Skip and other males in SL without respect for her real relationship.

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  184. Anonymous Says:

    June 15, 2012 at 11:15 am

    maybe people should actually get to know B, instead of befriending her for what she can do for them. If you took the time to actually get to know her. You would find that she is a lovely lady who has a mind of her own and a strong will. Neither of which makes her a diva etc. I have seen it to many times the way people latch onto people in sl who they think can get them places and then discard them when they are no use to them anymore.

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  185. just a thought Says:

    June 15, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Some will say the Blackliquid received what was coming to her for being such a haughty bitch all these years but even still, I can’t dismiss how Finesmith stabbed her in the back in a display of her true nature. In this case Blackliquid was the victim and Finesmith showed her true colors.

    Finesmith is really greedy and dishonest to the core. She fired Blackliquid even when she owes her a lot of money. She made excuses for the percentages of her vendors that were supposed to go to Blackliquid. If she is going to get rid of Blackliquid then she needs to pay her the money she owes her and be done with it.

    Xanadu and Finesmith have been close for a long time and I wouldn’t be surprised if the two of them planned this together.

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  186. deedee Says:

    June 14, 2012 at 6:10 am

    Oh c’mon, blackliquid is one of the most ill-mannered and rude model on the grid. She expects everyone to shudder and look at her in awe whenever she shows up but in actual, the only awe she is is that of aweful. Never mind she has an ugly avatar and mediocre photoshop skills, or the fact that she has been buying full templates from marketplace and selling them as her own at high prices, that lousy attitude of hers is getting on the nerves of people around her. She is only nice when she needs people to hire her. Honestly, I’m not surprised she was fired.

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  187. Sandra K Says:

    June 13, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Blackliquid may not be a perfect angel but Finesmith used her from the start. She was very gracious with her at first but talked bad about her behind her back. It was not so long ago when she was upset with her and refusing to pay that she called her a dirty fat ass so lovelymiwako and some other models.

    She expressed her doubts about Blackliquid many times, all the while using her sim and resources until she no longer needed her.

    It’s not fair to call Finesmith a diva, she may want to be one but she doesn’t have the skill for it. Blackliquid and everyone else around her has to constantly guide her.

    I with you when you say that everything blackliquid touches isn’t necessarily gold, but I also hate to see someone used and thrown away in such a fashion. Finesmith talks about everyone behind their backs and it’s finally coming around to her.

    The difference between Blackliquid and Finesmith is that with Blackliquid at least you know where you stand. If she doesn’t like you she’ll let you know. She doesn’t smile at you while talking out the side of her mouth. Finesmith knew that Blackliquid spends a lot of money in SL and for that she latched onto her like a vampire until she was all used up.

    And when things heated up between Lovely and Black whose side do you think she took? Instead of standing beside the person that was trying to help her out she instead defended Lovely over and over. Some friend if you ask me.

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  188. Anonymous Says:

    June 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    I find it fascinating how so many of the models on sl follow around blackLiquid like Virtual Lemmings.Face it Finesmith is utter Rubbish It always has been it always will be.Just because blackLiquid likes it doesn’t mean it’s a work of art or a masterpiece,I do have to give her credit shes great at manipulating a group of fools into believing Finesmith is the next great thing since sliced bread .
    blackLiquid has been attached to a few designers we have all raised a eyebrow to.Or did we forget about Unico Solo?Sorry Yula you don’t impress us much.

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  189. YFCF Says:

    June 12, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Perhaps Yula and Xanadu are not the same person but she and Xanadu also share some of the same language style and mistakes that you point out with Xanadu and Shym. Either way she and Xanadu have been friends for a long time, and you know what they say “birds of a feather flock together”. Yula uses a lot of templates to build with and often sells them without changing a thing. She also copies a lot of RL designers from etsy.com and deviantart.com. Remember that heart she did for Valentine’s Day? Copied right down to the chain from an artist on deviantart.com. Talented? She’s talented enough to buy full perm boots and resell them!

    Yula has a ton of alts as well, just like Xanadu, and she tries to use them in all of the major contests such as miss and mister virtual world. Markski Glom is a she and many suspect it is her or an RL sister of hers and she used him to enter mister virtual world using a man to speak for her at the interview. Not that it should surprise anybody, fakes always enter these contests.

    So you see a lot of similarities between her and Xanadu probably because they follow a pattern of content abuse and calling them “designers” is probably a bit too generous for them. And a diva attitude? Well I suppose you could say she is dominating Blackliquid Tokyoska, using her sim, her traffic, her skills and then she fires her!!! I guess you can call that diva.

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  190. Another Set of Eyes Says:

    June 12, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    I believe the alt thing about Xanadu, but I’m not so sure she and Yula Finesmith are the same person. For all of Yula’s flaws and divatude, she is way more talented and unique with the things she creates than Xanadu, who can’t come up with a thing not from a template to save her life. I’m convinced about Xanadu and Shym being the same person after seeing the notecard Xanadu sent out today. Same english style, same lame excuses.

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  191. Model in SL Says:

    June 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Xanadu, Shym, Danae…these aren’t the only potential alts of this person. Xanadu has been closely paired with Yula Finesmith in the past. Alts or partners in crime? There are screenshots with proof that they have acted together before to do devious things. It’s highly possible that they are the same person acting in different capacities. I wouldn’t be surprised. An expression of fraudsters polluting Second Life.

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  192. Altarama Says:

    June 12, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Most people are aware that Xanadu Damiano is the alt of Shym Mosely, who was the owner of Shyms, a gown store, and scammed several people out of money and other things about a year ago or more when she dipped and left several tenants high and dry after her sim completely disappeared and so did she…never to be heard from again! Shym was Danae Ruby’s alt, who also tried several times to break into MVW. So really, Xanadu is an alt three times removed?

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  193. Anonymous Says:

    June 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Content theft warning to all models and designers in SL!

    A designer and model that many of you may have heard of (who seems to be going for MVW and Miss Bliss though I don’t see any future for her in them now) has recently come to my attention for her unethical actions.

    Xanadu Damiano of Xanadu fashions. She sells her “designs” in SL and on the marketplace. Coming across her marketplace today, I was disgusted. Her regular brand items are perfectly fine and dandy, but that wasn’t where she stopped. She is selling “EXCLUSIVE full perm templates” priced between $L8000-18000. At first glance, they are very good templates; however, upon further inspection of her marketplace listings and reviews, they are also being resold illegally.

    Let’s take a look here:

    Xanadu’s item : https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/X-FULL-PERM-MESH-For-Designer-Urban-Jacket/3391229
    Original item : http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/hongyus-cowgirl-3-for-v4-elite/71277

    and here:

    Xanadu’s item : https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/X-FULL-PERM-MESH-For-Designer-Inidan-Blouse/3391180
    Original item : http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/swing-dress-ii/88913

    and here:

    Xanadu’s item : https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/X-FULL-PERM-MESH-For-Designer-SHAWLSKIRT/3459056
    Original item : http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/hiddenwinds-for-v4-2/73741

    Not only is she selling them at ridiculously higher prices than the original creators, she also shamelessly passes them off as her own works and “exclusives!” She would send private notecards to designers, offer them the item “exclusively,” then put them on marketplace afterwards. What a desperate act for money!

    As far as I know, Vero Modero and Gizza may be victims of her scamming scheme as they seem to have bought “her” templates and probably still don’t know the truth behind them yet. With the ease to outsource templates since the introduction of mesh to SL, there may be many avatars unethically taking advantage of those less knowledgeable. So, please do be careful. Fortunately, it seems like a few Rendorosity creators will be filing reports against her. Now, all we can do is wait for LL to acknowledge them.

    To the models out there, Xanadu is also holding some sort of competition for her brand. Who knows, it may be another scam of hers.

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  194. Have you had enough yet? Says:

    June 5, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    So Nave Fall in his power-hunger published a blacklist.And you are shocked? When has this idiot done anything except try to gain power by attacking others? This is so 1950’s McCarthiesm. Nave publishes a black list to be the one to decide which models and bloggers work and which do not. He will be god! No one will mess with him. He will be greater than Frolic ..as long as he keeps Frolic in his back pocket.

    His rise to ‘fame’ has been on the backs of others, and his brown nose is firmly up Frolic’s ass which I am sure, Frolic doesn’t mind one bit.

    Nave’s lust for power and credibility is a long standing show for those of you who know him.

    He relentlessly attacks others, refuses to forgive their errors and humanity,mercilessly criticizes them, shouts OFF WITH THEIR HEADS, the epitomy of righteous indignation at such an affront, and now, when , in his delusional state, he channels McCarthy he thinks a simple I am so sorry novella still being the same smug jerk he has always been is sufficient.

    Why are Nave’s sins, which are so many and so grave, brushed under the carpet when he, himself, refuses to show at least a modicum of sincere regret for his own, but says.. yea sorry moving on.

    Nave should follow his own calls for righteousness that he has asked of others. LEAVE SL. STOP WRITING. HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME AND CRAWL AWAY.

    Nave Fall is the only one allowed to sin or fail he thinks. The rest of us mere mortals ( in his mind) need to be perfect.
    This charity has dissociated itself from Nave and his actions. NO KIDDING.Ya think?? He nearly ruined all the hard work that good honest people have put into RFL for years out here with his quest for power. SHAME SHAME SHAME.I would not be surprised of RFL never went near BOSL again.

    And yet this is still not enough for Nave to fall in his mind. He has committed what amounts to an act of terrorism
    against the good people of SL., breaking the FIRST AND GOLDEN RULE OF JOURNALISM…did not check his sources or his facts

    He went out half cocked, giddy with the vision of everyone reading his little expose and ejaculating over the thought of how revered and feared and POWERFUL he will be now.

    Nave Fall is a very small, very mean little man who sits at home all day and trolls the internet looking for places to spout off for hours. He truly loves the sound of his own voice and truly honestly believes he is doing us a favor by posting so much.

    He is just trying to share his brilliance with us. He is that good.

    Frolic needs to be aware of what is happening under HIS name and, in my humble opinion, fire both Nave Fall and Rusalka Callisto, the editor who should have nixed this from the go.

    I pity poor Frolic for ever having trusted this jerk. Giving Nave Fall the keys to the kingdom he has lusted and sucked up for is tantamount to letting the devil out of hell. Funny how it didn’t take Nave long to find a charity to use to weld his powerful wand of hate and bitterness, attacking these people and using ‘righteousness’ as his cover.

    “Frolic Mills would have you believe that the blacklist of bloggers names that was published is a type of freedom of expression, even if negative, and even cites the declaration of human rights. His recitation is, of course, limited to copying the text he knows to exist but clearly does not understand in terms of content.” If this isn’t the Black List of McCarthyism I sure as hell don’t know what is.

    Shame on you Frolic. As a gay man who has experienced and fought for his rights, that you should say this is freedom of expression? Have you lost your mind? That is the same as saying gay bashing and bullying are freedom of expression. How funny to see your standards when the shoe is on the other foot.
    Shame shame shame on you Frolic Mills. If you don’t have enough sense to feel shame then I shall feel it for you.

    Same little ‘dick’tator with the same power hungry thirst using a good cause ( patriotism in McCarthy’s case, charity in Nave Fall’s) to try to gain fame and momentum by attempting to destroy others. The same way that McCarthy was brought down, people standing up and refusing to be bullied, is the same way that we need to stand up now.

    Boycott Nave Fall, any of his groups, magazines,postings. Leave en mass. Now. You can bitch and moan here all you want but only YOU can stop him.
    People will take notice. Those that are scared will follow the brave.

    Make a new group.. StarWalkers 2012 and invite everyone from Nave’s group to your own. That is how Nave got his group did you know that?

    He didn’t even have enough creativity to begin his own group! Instead ,as is his way, he rode the back of someone else.

    Originally it was StarWalkers and he began StarWalkers 2010 and did exactly that. Now it is your turn.

    If you truly believe that this is wrong and has to stop stand up and stop him.

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  195. Anonymous Says:

    May 15, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    check spam posts

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  196. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 30, 2012 at 1:26 am

    I was teasing to annoy him, it was fun
    I am gone
    blaaahhh

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  197. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Just in case I forget I wrote this for you. I will let you know what they reply. I do hope they dont write to the Lindens about it, silly me I should have thought that one through first. I am sorry

    If someone uses the brandmark (dummies one) even in Second Life or other online communities, is that an infringment of copyright?
    A member of Second Life one Mr Nave Fall has used it, and wants to know if he needs to withdraw it.
    Many Thanks

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  198. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 29, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    here is their website too http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/index.html
    I have my fingers and toes crossed that using their brand mark isnt going to get you in trouble….oh my gosh

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  199. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 29, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Just to help you a little bit with the cover of your book, I have written to John Wiley & Sons who are the publishers of the Office for Dummies set of books., just to make sure you havent infringed any copyrights with your artwork. You probably havent, but I thought it would be nice to ask for you.

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  200. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 29, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    oooh and where is the spellchecker please?
    dont tell me you type up in word please please dont tell me that

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  201. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 29, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Zep or Nave or Mr baldy fat teacher or whatever you call yourself,
    in your info you show a 2010 Model Survival Guide cover, and to be fair you said you were currently writing it…I guess in 2010.
    On your main profile you write that its being writen and due our mid 2012 if I recall, and gosh with the help of the real pros too.
    I wonder if it has taken so long as because you fail to deliver, or is it because nobody is really interested in what some fat old man has to write.

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  202. Nave Fall Says:

    March 29, 2012 at 9:56 am

    I thought I’d comment all of Sorry Sorry’s posts win one go here………..

    Listening to Brenda Lee – I’m Sorry

    @Sorry Sorry

    People pledging btw in good faith and not delivering is frankly none of your business.

    COMMENT: Says you………………

    People not fulfilling a promise in these cases doesnt matter, and as you have no idea of their rl financial situation or how much they may contribute to charity it makes your pathetic beahoiur even worse

    COMMENT: Exactly what behavior are you referring to? BTW Ever hear of a spellchecker?

    I wasnt asking for an aplolgy I was ridiculing your so called apology, which was long on words and big ones at that, but little of substance.

    COMMENT: The apology wasn’t meant for you so we’re in good shape. Your pathetic attempts to ridicule me with bad grammar, convoluted logic and lack of a spellchecker speak for themselves.

    I am….blaaaaaahhhh..

    COMMENT: You said it not me.

    ok..I am bad at typos, but was just reacting to Nave being a twonk and was being sarcastic….its not how you write or spell..hell you Americans spoilt our lovely English language….I am just helping to ruin it a bit more

    COMMENT: We noticed, don’t belabor the obvious. You aren’t helping one bit btw

    not wishing to be too sarcastic though its not spelled or typed correctly, it spelt or typed….I hate it when I correct someone and do the very same thing…its a habit and no doubt you are thumping your head on your desk now too…lol..just joking btw

    COMMENT: I’ll be sarcastic enough for both of us. People like you are lawful prey for my nastiness. But do carry on with your blathering it goes well with my morning coffee.

    f you wonder why you get alot of bittereness coming your way, just read how dismissive you are.

    COMMENT: It’s true. I live with the burden of being dismissed. Thanks for your support. Maybe you should have said that upfront and we’d have saved a lot of back and forth.
    Whilst you are in habit of apologising Nave, maybe you may wih to retract your racist comment in SL on chinese and asian people….You better do something swift too, because there is no excuse for being racist..and no apology will be enough…
    Be warned !!
    COMMENT: It’s true I’ve been avoiding this one for several days. It’s not worth a comment much less an apology or explanation. It has been abuse reported to Linden Labs and I’m sure they’ll be in touch with Anrol Anthony of Classic with Style to discuss her part in passing that notecard along..

    Let him prove it wasnt him, if he can then no problem, he has nothing to worry about.

    COMMENT: Ummmm errr uhhh. My jaw dropped in RL at this one. That’s not how it works where I live. I’m protected by the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. You see Sorry Sorry in America you’re innocent until proven guilty, unlike whatever backwater you live in. since you seem to think that’show it should be. I don’t have anything to worry about at all.

    This isnt going to go away. I will not post about it anymore, but can assure you that I will pursue this until the truth is established….

    COMMENT: I appreciate that. Go for it………………. I’m sure your detective skills are as good as your written ones. I hope you have a lot of free time.

    I will let you know when I find out

    COMMENT: Good luck with that one. I’m not holding my breath

    Any form of racism is disgusting and all I am interested in is the truth
    If indeed what you say is correct then the person who wrote it is in for a shock

    COMMENT: You, finally, got one thing correct. High five………..

    Anyway thats another thing and certainly not my field so wont type 15 pages of rubbish about what is or isnt slander

    COMMENT: You still can’t apply the simplest of grammatical rules can you? I guess you’re just lazy or too distracted by having someone, FINALLY, pay a bit of attention to you. What a sad person you are.

    so maybe a little nasty feeling coming his way is a little overdue,

    COMMENT: I get it all the time from people mentally equipped much better then you to dish it out Sorry Sorry . In a battle of wits with me you are unarmed.

    Well I dont think for one moment ridiculing myself could be taken as being racist so please dont even go down the PC route.

    COMMENT: It wouldn’t be considered racist at all. Just a bit off ( as you Brits say ).

    btw dont keep apologisng to me…you start every sentence.sorry sorry..really it doesnt matter, its not hurting me

    COMMENT: Good enough……………I’m not sorry. I wouldn’t want to hurt you one bit. You do such a good job of it on your own behalf. I will say that you bringing up the racist notecard was really, really, really, really, lame……………..

    I think I addressed everything Sorry Sorry gagged up here.

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  203. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    btw dont keep apologisng to me…you start every sentence.sorry sorry..really it doesnt matter, its not hurting me

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  204. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Well I dont think for one moment ridiculing myself could be taken as being racist so please dont even go down the PC route.
    Its like saying someone speaks fractured English is racist…ooh I forgot Nave posted those words on this site…hmmmm
    Not going to nit pick over the use of a word which is in a dictionary…thats so so so english

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  205. Free Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    sorry,sorry – I am Engish and spelled is as correct as spelt – both are correct – my post was completely correct.. Get your dictionary out.
    Whilst you are on about racism.. they way you speak of Americans is racist too.. look to yourself before casting stones.

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  206. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    one other thing..the best form of defense is attack, make yourself look like the hurt party, accuse the rest of the world of terrible slanders.
    I have seen Nave accuse people of all sorts of things and the fool dismisses them as irrelevent, so maybe a little nasty feeling coming his way is a little overdue, . Indeed you see him as your equal, so maybe that makes me part of the great unwashed, the unworthy ones, well missy the worm has turned…and Nave everytime you post, you will be ridiculed.
    This is your site, so you are fair game

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  207. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    I dont have to send anything to you, and certainly to send a nc with those comments in is as bad as sending racist slurs myself.
    My understanding though is that it wasnt in a nc it was in an IM..and that is easier to prove or otherwise. This matter is with Lindens, and they will take action in the most appropriate way
    Any form of racism is disgusting and all I am interested in is the truth
    If indeed what you say is correct then the person who wrote it is in for a shock
    ALL I am after is the truth.
    Its a fantasy world so not sure the rules of slander apply, but I am not an internet lawyer, as Nave or Frolic Trump are pixels their real identities are not known, and thats how it should be, so not sure what happens there. Anyway thats another thing and certainly not my field so wont type 15 pages of rubbish about what is or isnt slander.

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  208. Rusalka Callisto Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    @ Sorry sorry – You don’t want to publish your proof here? Fine, send it to me privately, in world. Send it through an alt to keep yourself anonymous if you choose. But send me actual, real, proof, not just some copied over notecard with someone else’s author name on it. Because until you are willing to provide real, honest proof of such a hideous accusation, you should not be willing to go around spreading such a rumor to the public at large. This is not a matter of opinion, this is serious slander. Give me proof, give me links to these comments with IP addresses to compare to Nave’s, etc. If you are determined to “pursue the truth” and serve as the prosecution in this matter, then the burden of proof is on YOU.

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  209. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Or perhaps you are the person who took the notecard someone else authored, wrote over it with horrible things, and then started sending it around in an attempt to discredit people you don’t like? And when that didn’t work, began trolling websites and forums like this one to try to spread the rumor again?

    You could say that is defamatory or is just an opinion….I would argue its an opinion and a misguided one at that. Like I stated if it wasnt him he has noithing to worry about, if it was he should be losing some sleep. Not really sure how this effects you, and you arent the problem…he is…or if he isnt the idiot who typed the rubbish is….lets just hope for his sake it wasnt him.. I will let you know when I find out

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  210. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    hmmm reminds me of the comment it wasnt me guv, someone hacked my account….

    Let him prove it wasnt him, if he can then no problem, he has nothing to worry about.
    I will not publish here or anwhere what I have seen as it is pretty bad and to do so would make me just as guilty as him.

    This isnt going to go away. I will not post about it anymore, but can assure you that I will pursue this until the truth is established….

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  211. Rusalka Callisto Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    @ Sorry sorry – This false and defamatory accusation has been proven untrue and is being perpetuated by someone who has used a written over notecard to attempt to malign Mr. Fall and several Second Life designers with whom they are displeased. Please show your proof of ANYWHERE that you can prove Mr. Fall or anyone being maligned in this way actually said, in person, any such remark to anyone. Otherwise, please get your fact straights and stop spreading such rumors and becoming part of the problem, instead of the solution, to hate speech.

    Or perhaps you are the person who took the notecard someone else authored, wrote over it with horrible things, and then started sending it around in an attempt to discredit people you don’t like? And when that didn’t work, began trolling websites and forums like this one to try to spread the rumor again?

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  212. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Whilst you are in habit of apologising Nave, maybe you may wih to retract your racist comment in SL on chinese and asian people….You better do something swift too, because there is no excuse for being racist..and no apology will be enough…

    Be warned !!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/9171470/The-curse-of-the-internet-trolls.html

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  213. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    btw Nave, I dont dispute what you say about the generosity of people in sl and the kindness they have shown. Nor am I suggesting in any way that you were involved in this for anything but good reasons.
    As for drama you can keep it, this is about your hollow apology. Sometimes just a few words is enough, not pages of explanation.
    Something like I am sorry I made a mistake is enough.
    Just dont dismiss people because they make the mistake of not agreeing with you.
    I wish you no ill, and would not even suggest your views are irrelevant, for some reason you like to dimiss people. If you wonder why you get alot of bittereness coming your way, just read how dismissive you are.

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  214. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    not wishing to be too sarcastic though its not spelled or typed correctly, it spelt or typed….I hate it when I correct someone and do the very same thing…its a habit and no doubt you are thumping your head on your desk now too…lol..just joking btw 🙂

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  215. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    ok..I am bad at typos, but was just reacting to Nave being a twonk and was being sarcastic….its not how you write or spell..hell you Americans spoilt our lovely English language….I am just helping to ruin it a bit more

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  216. Free Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Oh please ‘sorry sorry’ if you are going to criticize someone for poor grammar/typos make sure your words are spelled/typed properly.

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  217. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 11:30 am

    People pledging btw in good faith and not delivering is frankly none of your business. I am sure every charity comes across that, but you dont see the patrons publicly chastising those people. They also tend to keep major donors private and not rank people on what they contribute….$10 from one individual is as important as a $100,000 from another…

    People not fulfilling a promise in these cases doesnt matter, and as you have no idea of their rl financial situation or how much they may contribute to charity it makes your pathetic beahoiur even worse

    I wasnt asking for an aplolgy I was ridiculing your so called apology, which was long on words and big ones at that, but little of substance.
    Even the way you sign off posts is odd

    I am….blaaaaaahhhh..

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  218. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 11:20 am

    here is what you Americans call 3rd gade English…and every penny went EXACTLyu where ..whats EXACTLyu mean?

    A question…How do you know when Nave is lying and bullshitting..?
    Answer..when he types or moves his lips

    The thing with people who own blogs like this, and this one belongs to Nave Fullofit or his teenage boy loving Frolic Trump is they can write endless amounts of drivle, and think of themselves as moderately clever, when who really cares….its just nice watching girlyboy cry, it should be made into a sport….

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  219. Nave Fall Says:

    March 28, 2012 at 9:02 am

    @sorry, sorry, sorry

    Let’s be clear……………… I’m not apologizing to YOU or anyone who wasn’t involved in this catastrophe and my desire that people follow through on the things they agree to do, whatever that is, remains firmly in place.

    If ridiculing me makes you happy, go for it. Your snarky comments are your opinion. You’re entitled to voice them. Ultimately they’re irrelevant in the scheme of things. If you enjoy creating more drama that’s a different story. It seems a lot of people revel in it. Welcome to SL and AgencyReport.

    On a different note, there are folks out there protesting FFL/RFL’s credibility as a charity in SL,over my personal actions. That’s unfortunate. They are misguided at best. No one at RFL, FFL or the American Cancer Society approved what I wrote and . they’ve disavowed me as they should. FFL raised over well $20,000US in 10 days. and every penny went EXACTLyu where it was supposed to go. No none can dispute the generosity of people in SL based on what RFL raises.

    One other thing. You said,

    “..you forgot to complete this sentance..”

    Am I mistaken? Are there grammatical and spelling mistakes in that SENTENCE? Maybe you should review your 4th grade English grammar class materials so people will have an easier time understanding your humor.

    Ohhhh wait. You were being serious. Silly me.

    I’m just

    Nave Fall

    and you’re not.

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  220. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 27, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Guess who will not be getting a goodnight kiss from Frolic Trump then?
    You may get a jolly good telling off, and he will clench his fists on his hip and stamp his foot at you and say in his most manly voice
    “OOoh Nave you really have upsthet me so much…now where did I put my handbag..I so want to beat you on the head with it…..

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  221. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 27, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    You can bet I won’t make this particular kind of mistake ever again. ..you forgot to complete this sentance..

    what you mean is

    You can bet I won’t make this particular kind of mistake ever again, well until next time

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  222. Sorry sorry Says:

    March 27, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    hmmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMX831Gq2JQ&feature=related
    sorry sorry sorry…oh dear nave is sorry…awwwww
    and omg he means it….he wrote 5000 words when maybe just sorry would have been enough…if he meant it…I wonder if nobody had made a noise what he would have said?

    Maybe he was only sorry because he was caught out

    sorry
    sorry
    sorry
    s
    o
    r
    r
    y

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  223. Nave Fall Says:

    March 27, 2012 at 12:09 am

    I APOLOGIZE. (1) I screwed up. MEA CULPA MAXIMA……

    I’ve returned from my weekend of RL adventure away from the internet and SL. I returned to a post-apocalyptic wasteland in SL. And it’s ENTIRELY my fault. (2)

    I feel like Gaius Baltar on the TV series Battlestar Galactica who betrayed his people to the Cylons which led to his world being destroyed. Well maybe it’s not that bad. But I won’t pontificate here. I made a bad mistake posting with that post here on thebestofsl.com. A horrendous mistake. It was ENTIRELY MY MISTAKE though. (3)

    Not:

    Harper Beresford’s – She had NOTHING to do with my post. She didn’t approve it or see it until it I posted it and it blew up in her face. Harper handled a horrendously complex task and with aplomb, class, on time and under budget. No excuses and she never hit anyone although a few needed a smack. The American Cancer Society should put a plaque up with her name on it somewhere. Thank you Harper

    Frolic Mills’ – He trusted me to write about the Best of SL. I wrote about the worst. I let him down badly. I’m appreciative of how he responded along the way and supported me. The opinions expressed were mine and not run by him for his censure or approval. Associated SL Press is separate from BOSL Magazine despite sharing the same website. Thank you Frolic.

    Rusulka Callisto’s – The Editrix in Chief and with 10 years of RL experience she deserves to be. She bears no responsibility for anything I author. I don’t report to her and she had nothing to do with my post other then telling me that I had to do it myself. Great editor and manager. Thank you R

    or

    Quella Quan’s – Is young and loyal and busted her ass for FFL 2012. The best of SL is right here for sure. If I’d been around to defend myself I suspect she’d have been noticed less. Thank you Ella.

    Let me say it again slowly. I APOLOGIZE (4) No one else deserves any of what rained down upon them. It’s interesting to me, in reading through that holocaust of derision, that few, if any, of the people pissing and moaning the loudest had anything to do with FFL 2012 in any form. There was blood in the water so they decided to join the fray. Not surprising in SL since it’s a free fire zone. For what it’s worth I’m not a photographer in SL and criticizing the picture I stuck in that post was a cheap shot. I like my style of writing and if you don’t skip anything with my name on it as the author please.

    I also want to thank the myriad of people who gave so generously of their time, money, skills and contacts. First and foremost Zeebster Colasanti of Dream Seeker Estates and his astoundingly versatile staffers, Roe Woodford and Sarah staff for underwriting and entertainment. Spectacular job people. The builders, creators, designers, entertainers, DJs, show coordinators, models. photographers, graphics artists, typographers, financial gurus, scriptwriters, magazine publishers, TV/Radio personalities…………………the list is endless. Thank you all for everything you did.

    Back to the apologizing. No one made me write that post the way I did. It was ALL me………… and I went the wrong way with it. I do that sometimes. I apologize (5) .I am supposed to be responsible and adult, given the trust placed in me. I acted like a snarky, spoiled child. I could make a lot of excuses here about why I did that but that would be adding insult to injury. I didn’t want to hear the excuses of the bloggers who didn’t fulfill the obligation they accepted and, in many cases, actively sought out. I apologize to the ones I named who’d posted and somehow I missed seeing that there was an FFL item buried in one of the posts they made (although one of my evil friends suggested that it is as easy for them to edit a blog as it is for me. I won’t be following up on this idea though).

    The reasons given for not posting were myriad and in most cases valid. I’m not going to list them or discuss them, they’ve been raked to death already. My BIGGEST mistake was naming names and I regret that now. Too late to do anything about it. I’m moving on.

    So for the last time here. I made a mistake. I APOLOGIZE (6) I wanted to show some people that there is potential retribution in store for not following through on what you’d promised to do, particularly with a charity event. There are consequences and this time being named in public for failing to keep your promise was that consequence. I should have contacted every one of you. I didn’t. You can bet I won’t make this particular kind of mistake ever again.

    I’ve already contacted many of the bloggers I offended and discussed this entire affair with them and patched some of the fences. Some seem to be ignoring me. Imagine that. If you haven’t been contacted it’s because you weren’t on-line when I was today or you muted me. I’ll get to you and you’ll have a shot at telling me exactly what you think of me and my ethics, writing style and ancestry.

    I’m just chagrined here………..

    Nave Fall

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  224. Rusalka Callisto Says:

    March 26, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    @Ghost You have absolutely the right to your opinion, something I firmly believe in no matter how much I may be hurt by or disgusted by the opinions and personal attacks of others. However, I do request that you get your facts straight.

    I never, in fact, insisted that Nave Fall print anything and never would tell a writer they have to write or print anything. This piece was never my idea and I had no part in it’s creation, although I take full responsibility for it appearing in the form it originally did on TheBestofSL.com as the managing editor of the Associated SL Press section.

    Nave told me about the idea for the article — his idea, based on a list he found at the FFL site and conversations he had with others regarding that list. He approached about his idea with the desire for me to find one of our writers to assign to write the piece. I advised him that the person who comes up with an idea is the best person to implement that idea and that our other writers were occupied at the time regardless. He wanted the article published, he just approached me about trying to find someone else besides himself to write it. Instead, he ended up publishing it himself after I did not assign it to another writer. Nave’s ‘whining’ about me in the original post was because of my refusal to assign his idea to another person to write, not because I forced him to write the piece or to write the piece in the way he decided to do so.

    My involvement here was simply that I failed to truly think about the consequences and result of publishing such an article and thus did not discuss these with Nave. I was not even aware exactly what the piece would look like before it was already published, as Nave has full access and ability to publish his on work on the site without supervision. However, I do admit that he did tell me the general idea of the piece and I told him I was fine with the idea at the time. I was busy at the time and did not stop to think or ask additional questions or spend serious time in contempation of his idea. I now very much regret that as it was absoutely a failure on my part as an editor for the site.

    I believe I truly should have asked to read the final piece before it was published, and should have thought clearly and long on what effect this piece would have on FFL, RFL, the ACS and the bloggers involved. Then I should have had a real discussion with Nave about those thoughts and what the consequences would be before publishing such a piece. Although, I admit, I would not have felt comfortable in simply censoring Nave by refusing to print his piece as he is my equal and my collegue, not my subordinate. Nave is his own person and also an editor of the Associated SL Press section at TheBestofSL.com.

    As for Mr. Mills, he relies on the editors and writers to police themselves, publish themselves, and be responsible for their own content. He does not read every piece of content that is published, he certainly doesn’t have the time. He has already stated he regrets the publication of this piece, which was already live on the site before he was even aware of the specific nature and content of the post. I am frankly surprised at not being removed from the site entirely over this, and I can only surmise that Mr. Mills believes in second chances — unlike many of the commentors on this issue.

    I most certainly admit that I failed in my duties as an editor of the Associated SL Press to fact-check and verify the information in the article before it was publishde — regardless of whether or not I felt I had the authority to remove the post or deny the publication of it to begin with. Which, I have stated, I feel would have been direct censorship of an equal, not something I do believe I would have been comfortable with. I have apologized in the best manner in which I could think to do without engaging in personal censorship toward anyone involved, although no words that I speak are good enough, it seems, to stop being attacked for an admittedly egregious error in judgement.

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  225. anonymous Says:

    March 26, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    For a rational overview of the recent FFL uproar read this post:

    http://primperfectblog.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/the-issues-about-blogging-charity-events/

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  226. Its all just blah Says:

    March 25, 2012 at 11:35 am

    I am not a legal expert, and dont really come to sl worrying about who is who, and if people are spreading untruths. I am not sure if you besmearch the name of an individual in a fantasy world if that can be libel. If you dont like what someone says leave their sim or mute them, its like switching channels on TV really.

    One individual stated that the owner of a site is ultimately responsible, in which case anything said in SL is the responsibility of the Linden corporation, or whoever owns it. I am pretty certain if that was the case SL would be closed quickly.

    I am also not sure which juristriction all this comes under, as last time I looked I know the USA like to think of themselves as the mighty empire and the worlds policeman,but arent SL, its isnt a country. I am not sure if the person behind an avi talking about another avi can be comitting a crime. Of course there are exceptions like with child pornography or conspiring to commit serious crimes but not sure if calling an avi greedy or manuplative is anything more than name calling. I am no lawyer though, but am sure Nave Fall using one of his many wierd names in here will correct us all. As he also owns this site he will know who is posting what from where!
    Can we at least talk about modeling please and stop all the legal clap trap because really its a big turn off

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  227. Just my opinion Says:

    March 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    @ Reporter

    So Agency Report is liable for all the libel you have committed?

    Here is a quote for you:

    “In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by race, gender, ethnicity, disability[3], nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity,[4] or other characteristic.[5] In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both. A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain Internet forums and news briefs that emphasize a particular viewpoint. There has been debate over how freedom of speech applies to the Internet.”

    Here you accuse Frolic and Rusalka of criminal activity: “The fact is that you are a stalker of Frolic and addicted to him. You are supporting criminal and an accomplice in the same vein as Susan Atkins, Dear Rusalka.”

    How is this not libel?

    libel 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue. Proof of malice, however, does allow a party defamed to sue for “general damages” for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm (such as loss of business) called “special damages”.

    Do you have proof? How is this not libel?

    I believe you are guilty on all counts!

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  228. Ghost Says:

    March 24, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Frolic Mills is not blameless in a great many things, but in this case, his faults were but three. He was not monitoring what his renegade staff members were posting, and he should have acted more swiftly to take down that list. Thirdly, he should have gotten rid of the offending staff, the real hall of shame members Rusalka Calisto, the editor, and Nave Fall, the writer of the list. Apparently, Nave went to Rusalka with the idea but did not want to post it, and his publishing of the list was done on her directive. Among the greater public, Nave’s integrity is questionable at best, but Miss Calisto as the editor has made a complete ass of herself, of BOSL, of the Associated SL Press, and also of FFL. Not that Harper needed much help, as she had a similar list posed on FFL’s site. It is true – several of those bloggers who were placed in this hall of shame did indeed blog and the inept writer and editor would have known this if they’d spent more than a glance to check. Others were sick or had family obligations. Who in the hell has the right to dictate that someone’s RL obligations/health problems/life issues should come second to blogging some virtual clothing? The Diva and The Mouth are the authorities on this? They get to judge? Yes, it was a charity event, but even an SL charity event comes after most people’s real lives, if they have their priorities right. What little credibility Nave Fall had is now toast, and Rusalka was a joke to a lot of people already but now looks even more foolish due to her half-assed tongue-in-cheek apology-that-wasn’t. This is the third public incident in which she’s worn her self-righteous, narcissistic colors like a war flag. I hope they are both choking on the healthy dose of crow they’ve gotten over the past two days. Thanks to them, BOSL has succeeded in pissing off a very solid network of bloggers and community members. Nave Fall is angry? Who gives a rat’s ass? LOL.

    They should be ashamed of themselves.

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  229. Shame on BOSL Says:

    March 24, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    The REAL Hall of SHAME: Tsk Tsk

    Frolic Mills
    Nave Fall (Polemikos)
    Rusalka Callisto
    Qualla Quan

    I just want to know who the hell do these people think they are. Who gave them the right to criticize, harass and humiliate bloggers in the name of charity? RL comes first before a blog. You named and shamed people and most of them are not even correct since it has been proven that they blogged. Have some compassion and decency. Stop attacking a woman who is being treated of cancer just because she couldn’t blog. Stop attacking a male blogger who couldn’t blog female outfits that’s been sent to him. The best thing to do is to APOLOGIZE sincerely without all the BULLSHIT. They might not have been able to blog but you don’t know whether they contributed in other ways such as donation. SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE. SHAME ON YOU BOSL. You are the real hall of shame.

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  230. THE Reporter © Says:

    March 24, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Abstract: March 2012, thebestofbosl.com. 

    Nave Fall, using the public domain of one Frolic Mills, publishes a blacklist with the purported names of bloggers/models who received products for the Relay For Life charity drive but never actually blogging them.  After much criticism and damaged reputations it is revealed that the perhaps Nave was a bit hasty and his investigation into the matter was far from complete.  The menopausal lady with the teenage pixels, Rusalka Callisto, has knelt in front of everyone and taken the blame from the shoulders of Frolic Mills in a public apology.  The actual owner and, therefore, person responsible for all content on his domain, Frolic Mills, rather than apologize to the masses for the injustice his toadies have perpetrated, tries to justify the discriminatory acts with a publication of a human rights declaration where he falls woefully short in understanding its true meaning.

    Kind and thoughtful readers of Agency Report, I am forced once again to speak with you about Frolic Mills. I need to tug on your ears a little, especially those of the organizers of RFL in SL, due to the alert concerning this shady cluster of pixels that has already been posted.

    The ancient Romans published lists of people that were considered to be outlaws for which anyone could receive compensation from the state for killing them.  Later, these lists were used to eliminate troublesome people  for the powerful of the moment.  The blacklisting of anti-Semitics were used by Nazis of Germany and are continued to be used by Neo-Nazis of today.  If mathematics cannot be considered an opinion then this is further evidence of the fact that the BOSL group and their master continue to act as a kind of dictatorship over the fashion industry of SL, damaging reputations and trying to control what, where and how to you buy.

    Frolic does not personally post on this forum but would rather have his toadies do it.  However, he certainly reads and follows everything that is said.

    Frolic Mills would have you believe that the blacklist of bloggers names that was published is a type of freedom of expression, even if negative, and even cites the declaration of human rights.  His recitation is, of course, limited to copying the text he knows to exist but clearly does not understand in terms of content.

    Of course, someone as him who makes his living exploiting others in SL would never even think to apologize for such a thing.  Instead he lays blame for it at the feet of his toadies and seeks to divert attention away from himself and onto the readers by asking your opinion of the facts at hand.  He even goes so far as to subtly suggest that the virtual world should contain its own laws and should be released from the laws of the real world.  You state, “So apparently if you conform to the laws of your specific country, one is able to post a positive or negative comment just the same.  But is it right, and does this thinking apply to the virtual world and online forums?”

    Let me clarify a few things in your ignorance:

    1. Real world laws still apply to the virtual world and the web, but it is and unfortunate truth that those who are victims of crimes in the virtual world sometimes have little choice but to let it go and it would seem that the virtual world is filling up with unscrupulous people as a result.

    2. The place of jurisdiction for an offense on the internet is typically where the providers servers are located.  In your case, since the provider is Godaddy, it would be the United States.  For those who commit a crime while living outside of the United States, that criminal may refuse to be tried  by a US court.  In the case of very serious crimes an extradition may be sought assuming an extradition treaty exists.

    You try to clear yourself of any wrongdoing by claiming “The only publishing I am directly responsible for is what is written in my magazine.”  Let me assure you, Frolic, you are responsible for all content that is published on your domain.  You are responsible for the people you employ (even if you do not pay them) just as every CEO is responsible for the actions of their employees and the reason why companies often pay punitive damages for the illegal actions of their employees.  The provider may not be responsible for what is published, but YOU, as the owner of the domain, are responsible!  It is your duty to control every word that is published there!

    Due to slothfulness and the lust for money at whatever cost, you choose not verify the quality of your publications.  Blocking the blacklist would not have been censorship as you would have everyone believe, but would have been the correct thing to do, especially in light of all the evidence that has been posted that Nave did a pretty piss-poor job in verifying his facts!

    You are so fond of claiming that the mission of BOSL is to post only those things that are the best in SL.  But It’s clear that there is half a sea, and in this case half an ocean, between saying and doing.

    We are still waiting for YOUR apology, Frolic Mills.

    THE Reporter ©

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  231. Polemikos Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Fail Fail Fail

    Debbiedoes it again. Loses just like she lost to Scamalertalicious time after time after time

    I do agree that going back to your RL is a great idea, it may save some young innocent model’s dreams from being crushed between the Scylla and Charybdis of you and Anrol (gotta love a liberal arts education). I wonder how long it’ll take you to pop back in with some semi-moronic retort that still ignores reality?

    I wondered how you’d deal with having your pretentious BS thrown back in your face, You came through in such a predictable way. You ignore the facts and attack me. How typical is that?

    I can hear you saying to yourself (no one else is listening or cares btw), “How dare you try to confuse me with facts?”

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  232. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    bored of ping pong with you….
    I will go back to rl…maybe you go read some surveys about a fantasy world..who cares…I know I dont
    btw in the article…the queen was a pink troll and god those feathers….lol
    byeeeeeee

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  233. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    read this…its all about you http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027

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  234. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    I would like to blow something up your ass for sure…maybe a large firework, maybe not smoke..

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  235. Polemikos Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    http://www.gridsurvey.com/ is where that information came from.

    It’s publicly available to anyone who needs it. The vastness of your ignorance is boundless to say nothing of your massive ego. You should have tried to confirm my facts before you ran your big mouth. Not that I think you check a lot of facts except those you create in your own mind.

    Someone else in here accused me of being Nave Fall once upon a time. I said it then and I’ll repeat it now, you don’t have a clue who I am. We’ve never spoken in SL. Why would I chat with you? There’s nothing you and I have any reason to discuss nor do we have anything in common on any level. I doubt Nave spoke to you so don’t flatter yourself

    FWIW you may be able to blow smoke up some people’s asses but not mine, I’m not one of the Classic With Style victims you prey upon yet claim to nurture. The likelihood of you being able to out debate me on the facts is somewhere between slim and none.

    Just give it up and run to your lil friends and tell them how you’ve been insulted again. They’ll listen..

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  236. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Nave honestly you are a funny one
    You contact me in SL woffling on about god knows what, trying to get me to say something, and then discuss with your friends how you are going to come in here and get me arguing with you.
    I knew when I posted this morning you would be in like a bullet, my sides are truly hurting I have such hiccups….
    btw say hi to SD for me

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  237. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    $50,000 is not arbitary at all…if you have a family (I assume you dont, you love yourself too much), and thats maybe just enough to live on

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  238. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    hmmm now you disclose private information…you must be proud of yourself

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  239. Polemikos Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Let’s cease guessing. Here are som real numbers you can chew on.

    A full sim costs roughly $300 US to rent ( depending on the deal you cut with the estate mgr). So we can compute a few rough guesses on revenues below. There are 23034 private estates at the last SL survey. Your mileage may vary.

    The Top 10 Estates by number of regions held are as follows

    Anshe Chung DBA ACS holdings owns 11.3% = 2603 estates x $300 = $781,000 per month
    RGF Estates Inc 5.1% = 1,175 estates x $300 = $414,000+/-per month
    Dreamseeker Estates 3.8% =875 estates x $300 = $262,500 +/- per month
    Zoha Islands 2.7%
    Azure Islands 2.0%
    Bell Estates 1.6%
    Lala Rentals 1.5%
    Jessica Chung 1.4%
    Fruit Islands Estate 1.4%
    Miriam Chung 1.2% and Victoria Chung 1.2% tied @ 10th

    I think with that kind of cash rolling through that a few people are earning RL salaries. Picking an arbitrary number of $50,000 as a RL wage is a bit pretentious but you can choose whatever numbers you like Debbie.

    It’s easy to run your mouth with no real numbers behind your speculations isn’t it?

    Dispute these all you like.

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  240. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I have a great idea how to bring down Anrol and Frolic…appoint Polkethingy as their financial advisor…..they could employ dozens of people who need jobs and not be able to pay them…fantastic…yaaaaay….

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  241. The Queen Mother Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Isn’t it silly that Polemikos (Nave Fall perhaps) is calling out Debbiedoo and trying to defend Frolic Mills by saying Anrol Anthony is doing the same thing, so two wrongs make a right now?

    It is also easy to understand why the Reporter portrayed Rusalka as a silly girl, even though she might actually have been a girl decades ago.

    @ The Reporter, some of these people you are trying to help may need to hit rock bottom before they understand. Some unfortunately might never get it, these types are either the eternally miserable/clueless or those who leave a trail of disaster wherever they go.

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  242. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Here you show, beyond a shadow of any doubt how checked out and clueless you are. A big estate owner in SL can make a LOT of money and run a big business that can provide dozens of people with RL incomes and those people NEED those jobs.

    Now lets see…dozens of people you say…ok..lets assume 12 people each earning say $50,000 so thats $600,000 a year you will need just to pay for them….so turning that into lindens that ummmm lets assume 1$ is say 250 lindens…so to pay 600,000 annually thats 150 million lindens a year….soooo assume I rent a place at 15000 a month….that means to earn 150 million I would have to rent at least 833 units a month….and thats assuming my only cost is people….so lets assume my salary costs are 80% of my costs….so ummmm 833/.8 = ooooh nearly there thats 1041 units a month, and gosh I havent made a profit yet. Please before saying silly things do some maths….dozens of people…hmmm sure

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  243. Rusalka Callisto Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 10:55 am

    @TheReporter Pot You are really kind of cute. 🙂

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  244. Polemikos Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 9:59 am

    @Debbiedoo

    I realized a while ago that you’d drunk gallons of Anrol Anthony’s Kool Aid but once again you insist on showing us how astoundingly checked out you are by saying:

    1) The money grabbing aspects of SL I dislike and certainly dont like getting associated with it in anyway, but unfortunately people will be people and greed so find its way in here.

    Good point. Anrol Anthony’s Classic With Style where you are COO is a great example of one of those greedy ones that found its way into SL.

    2) Having said that, its also the same in RL. I dont rate any SIM owners here as business people at all. Sure they make a few lindens, but not enough to live off, and they usually spend alot of time telling their audience how good they are.

    Here you show, beyond a shadow of any doubt how checked out and clueless you are. A big estate owner in SL can make a LOT of money and run a big business that can provide dozens of people with RL incomes and those people NEED those jobs.

    3) Thats also part of the fun of SL as they are acting out their dream, its just a pity so many pay their own hard earned money to take part in this.

    Again it comes back to where you, personally, work in SL.Your employer, Anrol Anthony’s Classic With Style, preys on people’s dreams and sells them vapor, if that. How sad that you refuse to accept that you are a big part of the problem and not any part of the solution.

    Maybe you should just do your Debbiedoe’s Classic With Style thing and not attempt to enlighten us on things that you haven’t got a clue about. Leave that to THE Reporter © who is a lot funnier then you are.

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  245. Anonymous Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 4:10 am

    Debbie you didn’t have to be there it was just a question on what would you do if sl ends,that he asked on his website.i don,t know about not making enough as to have as your real income,because some has told me this is how they make there real living. i figure those are the ones who are doing something right.There are people in here who are disable and Sl is a way for them to make some extra money.And we as there customers are doing that for
    them.Photographer are some of the people ,if they prices is right can probably make a good extra income especially the good ones,like Skip Stahell(last name spell wrong strugs) and Graphic Dix just check out there flicker.Making a killing off of models.

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  246. Debbiedoo Says:

    March 21, 2012 at 2:55 am

    Not sure about Frolic Mills words as I dont know him and wasnt there to hear them

    All I can say is reporter is right in my opinion. SL is a part of your RL, its not a replacement to it, and it can be addictive, as you can live a dream that maybe you cant in RL. So when people say in RL they are shy and in SL can be something else, then that is a lovely thing.

    The money grabbing aspects of SL I dislike and certainly dont like getting associated with it in anyway, but unfortunately people will be people and greed so find its way in here. Having said that, its also the same in RL. I dont rate any SIM owners here as business people at all. Sure they make a few lindens, but not enough to live off, and they usually spend alot of time telling their audience how good they are. Thats also part of the fun of SL as they are acting out their dream, its just a pity so many pay their own hard earned money to take part in this.

    SL modeling for me is fun, nothing more and nothing less. When it ceases to be that then I will do something else. Its getting very close to that point as day in day out I see so much nonesense and although that is a shame, pffft life goes on, its not the end of the world.

    I have had some silly arguments in here, defending things I dont believe in and making myself look stupid on the way. So maybe this forum is a good thing, as it makes you think and see yourself how others see you, and then you fix those things.

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  247. THE Reporter © Says:

    March 20, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Rusalka is like a fish that takes the bait hook, line and sinker.

    Maybe that is the reason I chose to use your comment out of the many that posted. You demonstrated my point and your own virtualization by the mere fact that you replied my words in less than 30 minutes.  It certainly seems that SL is the priority in your life and you must follow it without missing a beat.   You are entrenched and my very case in point.

    I can now understood from your comment that you are very much like a little girl with your bedroom wall covered by posters of your favorite idol.  You are in “love” with and obsessed with the idea of Frolic that you cannot see how he uses people by taking advantage of their dependencies through lies and deceit. Of course I appear the bad person to you but there are many more here that have seen first hand how he manipulates and uses people.

    One of the most common difficulties associated with detecting the lies of others is the “ostrich effect”. You can’t see his deceit of others because you are not motivated to do so as with many other models.  You don’t want to learn the truth because it will shatter your illusion and sully credentials as model since they are so closely tied to him.  To remain ignorant of his lies is your choice, simply because it is to your advantage to do so.

    Which model, if complimented by Frolic, would try to research whether his words are mendacious? it is not conducive to your self-esteem, especially if you are in SL as the alternative of  RL and perhaps because the model will fear his revenge.

    It is so trivial you to accuse me of stalking, but I understand your obsession with him and that it would be difficult for you to reply to things in which frolic is guilty

    The fact is that  you are a stalker of Frolic and addicted to him. You are supporting criminal and an accomplice in the same vein as Susan Atkins, Dear Rusalka.

    THE Reporter ©

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  248. THE Reporter © Says:

    March 20, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Rusalka is like a fish that takes the bait hook, line and sinker.

    Maybe that is the reason I chose to use your comment out of the many that posted. You demonstrated my point and your own virtualization by the mere fact that you replied my words in less than 30 minutes.  It certainly seems that SL is the priority in your life and you must follow it without missing a beat.   You are entrenched and my very case in point.

    I can now understood from your comment that you are very much like a little girl with your bedroom wall covered by posters of your favorite idol.  You are in “love” with and obsessed with the idea of Frolic that you cannot see how he uses people by taking advantage of their dependencies through lies and deceit.

    Of course I appear the bad person to you but there are many more here that have seen first hand how he manipulates and uses people.

    One of the most common difficulties associated with detecting the lies of others is the “ostrich effect”. You can’t see his deceit of others because you are not motivated to do so as with many other models.  You don’t want to learn the truth because it will shatter your illusion and sully credentials as model since they are so closely tied to him.  To remain ignorant of his lies is your choice, simply because it is to your advantage to do so.

    Which model, if complimented by Frolic, would try to research whether his words are mendacious? it is not conducive to your self-esteem, especially if you are in SL as the alternative of  RL and perhaps because the model will fear his revenge.

    It is so trivial you to accuse me of stalking, but I understand your obsession with him and that it would be difficult for you to reply to things in which frolic is guilty

    The fact is that  you are a stalker of Frolic and addicted to him. You are supporting criminal and an accomplice in the same vein as Susan Atkins, Dear Rusalka.

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  249. Polemikos Says:

    March 20, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    @ THE Reporter ©

    When you typed this sentence:

    “The real point of this is your never ending attempt as a bullshit slinging artist to make yourself appear as a profound and deep thinker to your throngs of mesmerized fans. You try to sprinkle enough words about topics you really know nothing about to make yourself out to be a wise sage so full of knowledge.”

    were you describing yourself? It sure sounds like it.

    I think, as you stated so succinctly, that you are:

    “a little ‘confused on the matter?”

    You give new meaning to the word pedagogue. I read this and almost threw up a little in my mouth but I contained the urge. Somehow.

    I think you need a RL psychological intervention dude. Soon. Get help.

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  250. Rusalka Callisto Says:

    March 20, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    @TheReporter Wow. I am honestly shocked that you could take such an innocent topic with such lovely replies and twist it into such a crazed rant. You speak of psychological dependencies — it seems to me that you have a desperate psychological dependency on spending an insane amount of time criticizing and tearing down others in this ‘virtual world’ that you are declaring is basically a waste of time and a crutch for people who have no life. Also, what the hell is your obession with Mr. Frolic Mills and everything he says, does, eats, breathes or shits? I mean honestly, do you know you sound like a totally manic stalker? You are a Frolic Mills ADDICT — that is apparently your whole life and your own hugely addicted psychological dependency!

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  251. THE Reporter © Says:

    March 20, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    A few days ago Frolic posted in his group “The Best of…” the following question: “If Second Life Were to end today, what would you have gotten out of it?”  I cannot answer the question as stated because it makes the basic assumption that the reader lives in SL.  I must say that I have only a single life to live and I live it in RL.

    Some close people know that I follow SL simply because I love to research the socio-psychological components of virtual environments. It has been and is being studied quite extensively for its socio and physiological implications. However, I have chosen to comment on the words of Frolic and his supporters here on Agency Report because I believe that models have the right to be informed concerning the behaviors of these agency owners.

    Frolic has demonstrated once again his great ignorance, especially in the scientific field, when he said that “Every cycle in the universe has a beginning, a transformation, and an ending. This is true of Second Life as well as real life.”  The point I will make is not due to that statement in particular but what it is evidence of.

    First I should say that Frolic, you are so ignorant in the topics of which you speak despite your claimed, real life titles in business. You need to be careful when using such broad terms as “Every” and “universe”.  When using such all inclusive terms as that you forget about such things as the laws of thermodynamics that describe no ending at all but rather a change from one state to another.  Or smaller building blocks of matter which also do not end or transform at all but simply rearrange themselves never ending. 

    The real point of this is your never ending attempt as a bullshit slinging artist to make yourself appear as a profound and deep thinker to your throngs of mesmerized fans. You try to sprinkle enough words about topics you really know nothing about to make yourself out to be a wise sage so full of knowledge.

    This cluster of pixels, called Frolic, then says, “I do not see Second Life as a different life, it is actually part of my real life, and Whether it closes or not, I would never change the value of this inexplicably wonderful ride.” You are contradictory. First you maintain that there is no second life. Then you indicate that your secondlife is part of your real one. It seem you are saying that there are two lives, a virtual and a real one, and that the virtual one is a part of but not the same as the real one. Are you a little ‘confused on the matter?  Maybe you should be honest with yourself and say that you are here in SL because it is the source of your RL gain, without trying to sell the idea to others about some metaphysical nonsense that SL is just an RL experience and such bullshit.

    Some people actually believe that they can live their entire life in SL, and  they begin to delete their presence in the real world, progressively replacing reality with virtuality. With your well constructed words, full of wisdom and love (however, only in appearance) you convince those people to stay and spend as much time in SL as they can but only because you need them to earn your living here. You don’t care about them but watch as they drive themselves towards self-annihilation to the point that they see SL, and especially the modeling career, as a true job but without a true gain (especially since that you don’t pay most of your employees telling them that you offer visibility your magazine). You are using their time and their real life, for your personal gain so you would have them think that SL is the same of the RL, and it is s beautiful world full of friendship and love! You are an exploiter of their psychological weaknesses. You are not really friends with these people, you are their worst enemy because you’re ruining their real life, which cannot be lived behind a monitor.

    Secondlife should never be a chapter of your real life, it should only be a moment of relaxation but not at the expense of real life.

    Then there are comments following your post, that demonstrate the users of SL, for actual physical or psychological problems, believe they live in SL because they cannot in RL. I have chosen 2 comments of 2 models that work for Frolic.

    One of the comments to his post  is by Rusalka Callisto, and portrays a person that on one hand realizes that SL should be a leisure activity, but on the other feels that SL is a therapy for her shyness that causes her to isolate herself in real social situations.  For her this is possible because SL is a safe environment. I do not know what Rusalka meant by “safe environment”, but perhaps it is due to the fact that she is hidden behind a monitor and avatar of her making and social contacts are less direct and more controllable. In real life it is almost never possible to completely rule out who or what we dislike, but just being able to live with that makes us “social animals”. The fact that in SL you have too much control over social relations makes this “virtual socialization” actually less social than the “real socialization” and therefore SL is not therapeutic at all… but can actually be construed as an enhancer of problematic social behaviors.

    Another comment was that of Caohime Lionheart, that is in my opinion, very symptomatic of what has been said thus far. Caohime says “Like Rusalka, in real life I am frightfully shy, more often than not I prefer a book to a human. I know SL has given to me in the book which i am an active character in my story.” In Caohime there are two main aspects to underline, the first is the attempt to justify the cause of her social isolation (“i prefer a book to a human”) is due her shyness.  Perhaps it is not actually shyness but that she might be afraid to feel judged by others.  The second is the desire to be someone she feels she cannot be otherwise (she said “I am an active character in my story”) without a virtual world.  Perhaps this is because she doesn’t accept the fact that it is not absolutely essential to “be someone important” to live and be happy.

    Only Frolic believes that the importance of a person is commensurate with their success and he is “spreading” these beliefs to his adoring fans in order to keep them under his control. The most humble of scavengers is much more useful in our lives than this spammer of virtual life, called Frolic.

    Of course he would never change this wild ride of his.  Where else could he take advantage of the psychological dependencies of others?  …for the addicts justify the addiction.

    THE Reporter ©

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  252. nave Fall Says:

    March 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    @Disgusted

    You’re brilliant and you’ve got me cold. I admit.it. No one close to me has ever suspected. Till now that is.AgencyReport has been a BOSL conspiracy from the very beginning and it’s one that succeeded beyond my wildest dreams.

    I’m also Frolic’s alt and Jesika Contempomi CMO of AVENUE. So now you know that BOSL and AVENUE are ultimately the same organization. A very profitable one at that.

    NOT!!!!!

    This has amused me beyond belief. I love the sort of paranoid mind that can conceptualize and put into words a rumor as preposterous as suggesting that I’m AgencyReport Zepp

    I will say though, AgencyReport has NEVER revealed, much less threatened to reveal, the name or IP address of anyone who has posted here. The integrity of AgencyReport is unassailable……… unlike some of the people who post on here.

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

    or am I?

    Who am I really?

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  253. disgusted Says:

    March 10, 2012 at 1:03 am

    For the paranoid crowd….I believe Nave Fall set up and moderates AR. I believe he is also a friend of Frolic Mills. So what if AR knows your IP address? It’s not like that can be linked to you SL avi in any way. If you’re anonymous and have a random email address, good luck linking a person here to there.

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  254. What a blast Says:

    March 9, 2012 at 6:05 am

    In general, we don’t have the faintest idea who is who, here, on AR. If the owners of AR are part of BOSL group, connected with Frolic Mills and they know our IP addresses?

    Good 😉 Actually, I’ve seen AR share with everybody not IP addresses, but they did tell publicly those who were the same person and posting anonymously with different “names” on a post related to one of Frolic Mills endeavors (don’t rememeber exactly which thread it was).

    Now, I’m really glad that Frolic Mills name is mentioned so many times here. I’m glad because I want Frolic to be happy and all this is making him happy LMAO

    There is a huge difference between being famous (or infamous) and to actually have quality. Let’s think RL. What are the most famous fashion magazines? Or famous websites celebrity related? We all know that everything “tabloid formatted” is a huge sales success. For some strange and wicked reason, every tabloid sells like hell and the same happens to celebrity gossip websites.

    It’s at this level that Frolic Mills is. He is famous in SL alright! His name is known, of course. Question is: does this mean there is quality in his products, whatever they are? We all may question that. At least I do. For me, there is no quality in whatever Frolic does, for only one reason: his egotistic personality. And that’s pretty much it.

    Thinking a little ahead. RL Fashion magazines that every RL model wants to be in: Harper’s Bazaar and Vogue (preferrably Italian). Let’s move this into SL.

    Every SL model would love to be in the “Harper’s Bazaar” of SL and I can guarantee you that it’s not BOSL Magazine.

    So, to wrap this up: SL does mimic RL. People whose names are “famous” in SL aren’t necessarily connected with quality. I’ve heard lots of advices from many SL models that say “you must get your name out there, do contests, go to MVW”. And I really smile. No, that’s not the way to get your names out there, if you’re a SL model.

    The “secret” is actually be well connected, among designers, among SL Model Agencies. That takes time, lots of work, hours and hours online and (good) effort. Means you really have to keep improving. Keep up with RL trends. Be as multitasking as you can.

    And guess what? All this should be done thinking carefully about quality, fashion wise. There are good SL model agencies; anything related to Frolic Mills has no quality in it. Do you want fame, parties , do you want to be called “hunnies” , then everything that has Frolic Mills’ hand on it is the thing for you.

    This is really the difference, just as in RL: do you want the kind of “tabloid” attention or do you want to be in the “Harper’s Bazaar” of SL?

    It’s really up to each of you to answer. Nobody said that to be a successful model in SL was easy. You can chose many ways to get there. If you seek quality, then go after it! No matter how long it takes.

    [Wow and I wrote this without insulting anyone! Just plain and simple! Can some of you do this, too?]

    @Reporter
    Again, brilliant!

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  255. The Reporter © Says:

    March 8, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    @Mew
    You have no idea what degrees I hold nor my areas of study so why would you be so presumptuous as to write them off in your ignorance?  Ah, I know, it was a shallow attempt at wit and insults to make yourself, as you accused me, to  “seem well-educated” in the defense of your mighty hero, Frolic and all typed, no doubt, with a smug look on your face.  You must have felt so satisfied when you pressed the post button.  However, your feeble attempt only serves to underscore all of the points against Frolic and his associates I have hitherto presented on this forum.  You make no attempt at any logical argument in his or any of your defenses.  You presume to “turn the tables” with failed wit in an attempt to try and belittle and humiliate me because you have no thoughts of your own nor the ability to argue logically.
    Of course there are no anti-trust laws in SL, that’s the whole point, you twit!!!  Without those laws as a means to govern business and protect the interests of everyone, we see the emergence of kind of monopolies that emerged from the industrial revolution.  It’s actually quite fascinating to see history repeat itself on a much smaller scale within the wholly separate Virtual World.  It also underscores the fact that humans are humans wherever you go and with the same tendencies observed throughout history.  Our laws are what make us civilized.  That you could casually cast them aside with a “get over it” shows that you and all of your kind are nothing more than the basest of individuals out for your own self-gratification.   Those laws exist to protect us from the very likes of people like you.  Thank heavens we have them in the real world or pompous worms such as yourself would run roughshod over the likes of everyone else.  SL is an attempt to mirror the real world.  You see it in everything the content creators develop and the citizens buy.  It’s proof that without laws the rest of humanity would be oppressed into subservience by people like yourself.  I’m sure you would love that!

    The Reporter ©

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  256. The Reporter © Says:

    March 8, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    @Mew

    You have no idea what degrees I hold nor my areas of study so why would you be so presumptuous as to write them off in your ignorance?  Ah, I know, it was a shallow attempt at wit and insults to make yourself, as you accused me, to  “seem well-educated” in the defense of your mighty hero, Frolic and all typed, no doubt, with a smug look on your face.  You must have felt so satisfied when you pressed the post button.  However, your feeble attempt only serves to underscore all of the points against Frolic and his associates I have hitherto presented on this forum.  You make no attempt at any logical argument in his or any of your defenses.  You presume to “turn the tables” with failed wit in an attempt to try and belittle and humiliate me because you have no thoughts of your own nor the ability to argue logically.

    Of course there are no anti-trust laws in SL, that’s the whole point, you twit!!!  Without those laws as a means to govern business and protect the interests of everyone, we see the emergence of kind of monopolies that emerged from the industrial revolution.  It’s actually quite fascinating to see history repeat itself on a much smaller scale within the wholly separate Virtual World.  It also underscores the fact that humans are humans wherever you go and with the same tendencies observed throughout history.  Our laws are what make us civilized.  That you could casually cast them aside with a “get over it” shows that you and all of your kind are nothing more than the basest of individuals out for your own self-gratification.   Those laws exist to protect us from the very likes of people like you.  Thank heavens we have them in the real world or pompous worms such as yourself would run roughshod over the likes of everyone else.  SL is an attempt to mirror the real world.  You see it in everything the content creators develop and the citizens buy.  It’s proof that without laws the rest of humanity would be oppressed into subservience by people like yourself.  I’m sure you would love that!

    The Reporter ©

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  257. The REPORTER © Says:

    March 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Why is Frolic so ignorant? READ!

    Can you see the slaughterhouse? The virtual world of fashion is not all roses, as they would have you believe. It is a pigsty full of pigs and sows, who call themselves CEO and wallow in the mud trying to cover themselves with shit with each other. Insults, lies, and threats are just a few of the unconventional weapons used by these people in their virtual business. All this happens because their greed for power, money, desire for control the which they have lost all sense of reality.

    They have created factions in the virtual world of fashion, led by dictators, who appear strong but who, in reality, are intended to fall like autumn leaves from their wooden thrones. I do not know how long it will take, there will still be avatars that are victims of their injustice, but it mostly depends on you to put an end to it. The virtual fashion world must forsake the fake standards imposed only for the purposes of giving birth to academies and competitions that bring true profit to the pockets of a few select individuals and requiring the hard work and sacrifice from others who are holding out hope that they can be accepted into the little “gang” and someday have the blessing of the godfather to make a little money. The world cannot continue to exist as an oligarchy formed by a few people who think they are the BEST while all the others are the BEASTS, and arrogate to themselves the right to decide the best and worst, simply based on what they are “paid”.

    
I have already said that the powerful of this virtual business use their power to try to diminish, sometimes even in a criminal manner, all who are a possible threat to their virtual kingdom (the source of their income).

This happened in the September 2011 “Best of SL magazine” of Frolic Mills, where he posed as a “film critic” for his intervention against Mr. Jason Spingarn-Koff, author of the documentary film Life 2.0 . I put the word “critic” in quotes, just for the fact that it was not, in fact, a “critique” but an attack by the powerful virtual business criminal, Frolic Mills against a real person, Jason Spingarn-Koff because the movie highlighted some issues related to the use of virtual worlds.

    Perhaps posted to gain the sympathy of his friends at LL?

    Posterity will judge!

    

Who is Jason Spingarn-Koff?

    Unlike Frolic Mills, which is the name of an avatar who earns virtual money in Second Life, he is a real person with a respectful resume of all respect and with credentials, whose movie was critically acclaimed to nearly 5 stars by real film critics.

    Mr. Jason Spingarn-Koff has a degree in journalism and is famous for his documentary films, for which he has received prestigious awards and critical appreciation of real publications (you know, the kind that are actually viewed and critiqued by professionals). In short, this is a respectable and educated person in his field, and who was and unknowing victim (because really, I’m sure he knows nothing about and could care less about a virtual publication that tries to pass itself off as something important), of an unjustifiable attack.

    

Frolic Mills argues that Mr. Jason Spingarn-Koff, is ignorant of the virtual world and a creator of drama, because Jason says that in SL there are people who tend to mask the truth and deceive others. 

    Such a reaction from Frolic?  What are you hiding?  Methinks thou doth protest too much (to paraphrase), Mr. Mills.



    You think the Miss Virtual World contest is an example of transparency? You’re lucky that the virtual models do not blame you too much and that there is no governing body to inspect virtual competitions, because otherwise your contest would have ended long ago. The tangible evidence of the transparency of what you do, can certainly not be found in your self-declared “virtual success”, let alone the statements of some model or ass-kissing friend hoping to gain your attention.



    Then, Frolic argues that Second Life would be a place where anyone can freely create. Really? Such benevolent words from someone who determines who gets to create and who is destroyed in the virtual fashion modelling world.



    Frolic, you have not been neutral in the affair between Gizza and Vero Modero, True? In your eyes Vero Modero has fewer rights than your little sister Gizza to create?

    There are numerous reasons why Second Life is no longer a place where you can express yourself freely, but one of them is you.

    The limits of expression, for a designer or model or anyone else for that matter, unfortunately, are not simply their skill and imagination, but people like you who have self-conferred the power to decide what is good (those who pay you) and what is evil (those who do not pay you).



    Your argument against Mr. Jason Spingarn-Koff begins that he described cases in his film of the overweight, the unfaithful in marriage and the drug addicts. Mr. Jason Spingarn-Koff described these examples within the virtual world because all of them lead to various levels of cyber-dependency.

    Among other things, you yourself, posted in your group many months ago, several messages claiming to follow a salad diet to lose weight (btw you might want to know that these kinds of diets don’t work and are not healthy!).

    Furthermore, the frequency of these situations in the virtual society may be even greater than previously suspected because these metaverses have been used, almost from the beginning, by psychologists to try to understand and address the real problems of real people.

    

Then you make a claim that those living inside the virtual world are the most creative and intelligent people in the world. What a preposterous and self aggrandizing statement.  You honestly think the most intelligent and creative people of the world have time to waste in an unregulated, virtual world full of sociopathic criminals as yourself?  Your narcissism is stifling for, no doubt, you place yourself in that company.



    Frolic, for reasons that only you know, you believe that the success of a person is determined by his popularity and his earnings. Unfortunately, these are not the qualities that make a person a great CEO. If you researched a bit more, since you claim to have a masters of business in the real world, you would know that many famous CEOs have led their companies to ruin, or at least stagnation, because they were focused on their personal success rather than the success of their company. All of the great CEOs were humble and focused only on the company and not on their personal success.

    Even if you make some real gain from the SL, which is still less than that of my plumber, I think you should limit yourself and your comments to virtual events and virtual characters of your virtual world. If you feel the need to write something against a real person, then  use your real name and face him as a real person otherwise your magazine is just what it is, virtual paper for virtual avatars!



    The delirious editorial note of Frolic concludes that Life 2.0, the documentary film by Jason Spingarn-Koff, is nothing but a soap opera, and that you will reply to the positive reviews it has received from real newspapers with a reply from the Best of SL magazine (as if your pretend magazine actually had any substance in the real world). You say that  the documentary is bullshit because virtual worlds are flourishing and thriving. I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the entire world has seen and acknowledged that virtual worlds are withering and dying, and the blame for that is a bit yours.  Even LL is not so stupid as to say this, for which the company has been moving on to other areas and that is public information you would know if you took the time to poke your head out of your virtual world once in a while.

    The REPORTER ©

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  258. Anonymous Says:

    March 8, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Frolic was mentioned on this thread 343 times… oops 344 times . You know how I know you’re obsessed?

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  259. Peter Pan Says:

    March 8, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Did it ever occur to anyone that Frolic or a close confidant could be the owner of this blog site? Meaning he would know who everyone is regardless of how anonymous you try to remain. Just saying 😛

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  260. Tinkerbell Says:

    March 8, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Don’t listen to Mew who’s obviously one of Frolic’s cult members. I’m enjoying Reporters posts because he/she is stating what most of us want to express about Frolic and his enterprise.

    So many SL models act as if Frolic is SL’s answer to Versace reincarnated. Frolic can spew his so-called RL fashion world credentials all he wants but the fact remains that he’s sitting in front of his computer playing SL all day, every day! What exactly does that tell you? He’s a sad, washed up, attention-seeking, pathetic man in real life who comes into a virtual game and preys upon unsuspecting, self-conscious, confident-lacking, willing-to-please people who so desperately want to be something in some life even if it has to be a virtual life. Frolic makes people believe he has the one-way ticket for your dreams to come true.

    However, one thing that I cannot take away from Frolic is his intelligence. He’s been intelligent enough to have completely hosed over a multitude of SL models, and designers, who think they need him to be someone. Ever notice that when a model, who is either part of his entourage or who happened to attend MVW Academy, wins a contest or competition that Frolic takes credit for it?

    It’s all part of the bill of goods Frolic sells to you, ladies and gentlemen, and Frolic sells it better than the best-selling Girl Scout sells her Girl Scout cookies each Spring. And not only do so many of you buy it, but you’re eating it up too.

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  261. Mew Says:

    March 8, 2012 at 10:56 am

    @ THE REPORTER ©

    We know, we know, we know.

    You are a pathetic creature. I’m not sure you are human. I’m sure you have a monstrous virtual penis to go with your atrophied virtual brain.

    Your own public display of paraphilias merely tell us you can do a Google search for obscure, but lofty words to make yourself seem well-educated. We know you’re not. You are a tad amusing over my breakfast tea . If that was your intention you succeeded.

    We’ll skip your rant about Social Darwinism that you posted like 3 times dude. WTF is your problem anyway? Were you shaking from withdrawl there?

    There are no anti-trust laws in SL. Get over yourself. You are no lawyer, psychologist, journalist or comedian

    I’m waiting for your proof and for you to show the chatlog where Frolic dissed the Goreans. You are a guilty pleasure but best taken in small doses.

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  262. THE REPORTER © Says:

    March 7, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    As you know, I posted a comment about an editorial note of Frolic Mills appearing in the March issue of his virtual magazine “The Best of SL Magazine.” The virtual world of fashion is like a beautiful apple with a worm inside. If you remove the bug, you can save part of the apple, otherwise it will be destined to rot. That is what is happening here. Allow me to elaborate. I only know that, Frolic:

    1) Occasionally sends “ironic” news to his groups with sexual innuendos
    2) Has given interviews stating that when he joined into SL he had no money to buy a virtual penis
    3) Shares public photos of his avatar scantily dressed and pointing, in vain, at the sexual nature of them

    These public displays of “sexuality” could be a type of paraphilias, or sexual behaviors that circumvent the intended nature of sexuality (reproduction, partnering with another person). A characteristic feature of paraphilias is the intention to cause discomfort in others.

    Personally, I feel a bit uncomfortable reading the news and interviews of Frolic, where he makes sexual references, because I believe that the expression of their sexuality is not public domain. It may be that these “sexual jokes” are simply a feature of his virtual character, however, I find it distasteful. A little ‘savoir-faire would be welcome by the owners of virtual fashion groups.

    I will not discuss the matter any further because you could (and perhaps are) looking to support frolic with your accusations of victimization and whining in order to shift attention away from the fact that the virtual world of fashion is reviving Social Darwinism where the powerful and famous fashion lords are presiding over the weak and unknown.  If anti-trust laws could be enforced in the virtual world as they are in the real world, each would be facing a myriad of lawsuits and fines. To deny the nature of these laws in the virtual world is to deny their worth in the real world and proves, without a doubt, your unscrupulous nature. These powerful do not owe their success to their several  abilities but because of their power acquired, mechanisms of brainwashing, denial of reality in favor of the virtual, and inertia from LL that is not applying their own rules of the game (TOS) to these individuals.

    In the next post I will provide proof of this.

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  263. disgusted Says:

    March 6, 2012 at 10:31 am

    @ Chalice your words, as usual are inspiring. My issues with Frolic, BOSL and MVW are separate from the discussions about his sexual orientation and the accusations made against him, regarding his interactions between other SL players, whether appropriate or not. I DO NOT like his business practices and the way in which he wields his authority. Overall, I think it’s hurtful, childish and has lowered the decency of SL modeling. I believe his influence can be unethical and biased.

    That said, however, I do think the other has to be taken with a grain of salt (no disrespect to “Life.”). Here’s the thing…unless you have concrete proof, a police report and/or evidence of some lawsuit pending against this person, coming on here and making those claims is worse than anything Frolic has ever done. First, SL is a virtual community where 99% of people’s RL identity is unknown. I’m not sure how you would even know if a person is actually “underage” or not. Not everyone is “age verified” who actually over the age of 18. People on SL lie. They lie about their RL professions, “credentials,” RL names, RL ages, etc….Second, because of that it’s difficult to truly know with whom you may be interacting with. Third, when a person on SL divulges certain information to another it must be taken on in faith. Lastly, it’s assumed a person is adult enough or well supervised to make informed decisions about who they will and will not interact with. If Frolic “came on” sexually to anyone and they weren’t into it, then it’s on them to say something, move on or “mute” him. So unless actual victims want to come forth, give actual, verifiable names and proof of legal steps or actions taken against such behavior, then I personally want nothing to do with those comments and/or posts. You can’t get out there under a fake name, make allegations as severe as those hurled around AR and expect ANYONE to give any credence to that!

    I’m not defending Frolic, but a moral standard of basic right and wrong. That’s just wrong now matter where you come from or what your background is.

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  264. chalice carling Says:

    March 6, 2012 at 8:36 am

    SL just got very, very ugly. It has sunken to a new low with some serious allegations being made by god knows who.

    I have no alliance with anyone in SL. I don’t have any friends and I don’t owe anybody anything. This however is nasty and whether you like or don’t like Frolic, everyone has free will about who they team up with.

    We all have our idiosyncrasies’ that others may find abhorrent but coming on here and essentially calling him a pedophile and then publicly outing the sexual orientation and alleged behavior of the AVENUE heads is muckraking at its worst.

    I innocently thought people entered SL to experience some of the things they may not have the opportunity to do in their real lives; however, I’m wrong. There are elements who seem to want to agitate situations and that leads me to wonder if they have any power and autonomy at all within their own lives outside of this game.

    It’s so easy to put someone under the microscope and see nothing but flaws. Sometimes its a good idea to turn that around and look at yourself…and I mean an honest look.

    Yes The Reporter’s explanation of a fictitious disorder fashioned on the DSM made me smile because it was witty. But underneath it all, it was just one opinion of one man who in my opinion has made some terrific contributions to modeling, fashion and yes, charity.

    In putting my name to this thread, I’m not opposed to critiquing people or their business practices but this, nah, it’s ugly.

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  265. Editorial Clarity Says:

    March 6, 2012 at 7:29 am

    I want to paste an offline message I got today by some loser who uses this website –

    [3:58] Polemikos: Just so you know – you’ve been outted as “Life” on AgencyReport
    [3:58] Polemikos: Mother of a gay teenager – that was amusing
    [3:59] Polemikos: you little vendetta against Frolic is not making you any points
    [3:59] Polemikos: You should get some RL psychological help

    Whoever lowlife sent me this, it is YOU who needs the psychological help. I don’t write anything on this crap. I read it yes, I don’t write it. I don’t have a personal vendette against Frolic or anyone else either. Anyways, these guys can prove who writes what on here. I just suggest you Get a ”Life”

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  266. Rusalka Callisto Says:

    March 6, 2012 at 3:50 am

    Just one short note:

    I expressed my support for BOTH GizzA and Vero Modero live at the Miss Virtual World 2012 pageant by wearing themin a mix & match and saying so quite clearly in my description to the judges.

    I have not been blacklisted by Vero, GizzA, Frolic Mills, MVW Organization or anything else. So just put that all to bed, shall we?

    XXOO

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  267. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    @ Winter:

    Well said Winter. I am done too. No one should be doing this horrible behaviour against anyone.

    Peace out.

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  268. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    @ Reporter:

    I find your cheap phychology class rather interesting, specially because it is describing exactly what you have done in here to others.

    Remember flows work in two ways, and when you get falsely accused for something make sure you remember this fine mess you created here for everyone.

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  269. Life Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    @ Just My Opinion

    I could name lots of names here but it is wrong to name the victims in this thread so all the Frolic supporters can attack them. AND YES, Under 20 counts. When Frolic was 30, these men aren’t even born yet. Pick a date that can actually legally drink. I know Frolic/Juan C well because I work for him.

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  270. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    @ Life:

    And no 18+ doesn’t count.

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  271. What a blast Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    @Polemikos

    “After the ill-conceived AVENUE PR campaign for the Alure sim not that long ago, I feel safe in thinking that “fly-bys” have occurred amidst the AVENUE family”

    You probably feel safe thinking like that cause that’s how your head works – poor and limited. I have no idea who you are, but you seem rather young and immature.

    We see what we want to see, and what you saw in the PR campaign for the Allure sim, made you want to be there, didn’t it? C’mon confess, how “alluring” was it, right? 😉 We’re supposed to be all adults here.

    Hypocritical people are my favorite to put down, cause we don’t have to do a thing. You put yourself down, so easily!

    You have to give it to Avenue. Nobody was indifferent to the Allure adult sim campaign. Nobody! Some loved it (my case), others hated it (seems to be your case), no middle term.

    Huge success, wouldn’t you say? Everybody talked about it. Great PR work, left nodody indifferent. One more for Avenue.

    But again, this whole talk is not about Avenue. It’s about Frolic who decided to do a pole in whatever website that was, asking people to chose 3 top models.

    By the end, doing the maths, Frolic wrote a final comment with the 3 models that had more “kinda votes”.

    Mimmi is in the top 3. Mimmi, the one who got dumped by her long term SL husband Salvo Waydelich.

    Mimmi who has tried to be so active since Salvo left her, that her Flickr account actually hurts our eyes : bad quality photos, “Mimmi wears ” some designers names, Mimmi this, Mimmi that. Terrible. This is what Frolic does – he makes these women believe they are “stars”. The diva like attitude of Mimmi is disastrous. She is in her 50’s, should be mature enough to deal with rejection.

    Unless “Frolic girls” are smart, like Miaa, they are frequently falling stars.

    Now going back to Avenue, it’s with great pleasure that I have seen Anna Saphire, also doing a great job as Avenue Model at the Mesh Fair. Maybe one more smart model that knows where the best are? And she is also blogging some of Avenue’s Mesh Fair items! Smart girl! 😉

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  272. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    @ Life

    Name one.

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  273. Life Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    @ Just My Opinion

    Boys not yet in their 20’s such as 15 to 19 years old are teens to me. I know for a FACT that Frolic has or had men at that age range. As a mother, I do not want my young son dating or engaging in Virtual Sex with a 50+ yr old. What is gross is you defending and supporting this behavior. Go ahead and file your legal action when it is the truth. Maybe I can convince any of these young men to file legal action?

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  274. Mew Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    @ What a blast

    Getting mad, aren’t we? I’d like to see Avenue try to respond to me in a legal way, because I expected them to take the high road instead of pulling the victim card.

    Please, come at me.

    I think I’ve had enough popcorn, let’s continue with cupcakes.

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  275. Polemikos Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Winter has a very good point and coming from him thta has some meaning for me.

    Nuff said.

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  276. The Reporter © Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Virtual Disorder

    by The Reporter ©

    ==—-==—-==—-==—-==—-==
    
In light of the recent events, I believe we need to establish a nosological system (classification) for the disorders found in the virtual characters of simulated worlds, including SL. I invite you to use this common code to classify the virtual characters!

The first virtual disorder is classified as the so-called “Frolic-like Disorder” of which several subtypes have been identified.

The “Frolic-like Disorder” is a virtual disorder, characterized by a progressive depletion and malfunction of the virtual neural circuits for purely virtual reasons. It typically manifests itself with virtual dissociative behaviors, virtual hallucinations, virtual delusions, virtual speech and thought disorders.

    

Historical overview
    
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In the early days of the virtual world abnormal behaviors have been described in individuals belonging to virtual fashion group. At the head of the movement, a sort of shaman, Frolic, that for many years had promised to eradicate any type of disease and negative energy from the body, including premenstrual syndrome, hemorrhoids and obesity, using Peruvian, Venezuelan and Mexican “miracle” herbs in homeopathic treatments. Initially, the abnormal behavior, had been confused as a phenomenon of mass hysteria, but in reality it was a new virtual disorder and only recently discovered. Unfortunately, no autopsy of any affected persons are possible so that measurements of the skulls of those virtual avatars affected could be taken, but this criteria has been defined to facilitate in identifying those avatars that are suffering from “Frolic-like disorder”.



    Diagnostic criteria
    
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    The diagnosis can be made only if the avatar in question is related to one or more of the groups of the shaman Frolic Mills. If you do not belong to any of his groups you cannot develop this syndrome, but the risk increases considerably the longer an avatar is associated with one or more of his groups and also according to the role played within it.

    Symptoms (they must be present for a significant period of time during the last month):

    1. Accusing people who think differently of being jealous or envious
    2. Belittling people who think differently than the shaman Frolic
    3. Continual self-aggrandizement based on alleged virtual successes
    4. Constantly requests the credentials of others in demonstrating of nothing
    5. Evading the hard questions in order to deny any evidence presented
    6. Denying and / or minimizing reality in favor of virtuality
    7. Insulting people who think differently from shaman Frolic
    8. Making unwelcome comments as a pretext to slander and / or damaging opponents
    9. Asking friends or using alts to post negative comments against the opposition or positive in for the purpose of personal favor
    10. Denying the truth not only to the others but also to themselves, in order to maintain a high self-esteem
    11. Committing evil acts followed by good acts in an effort to try and cleanse the conscience or using good acts to justify the evil ones
    12. Writing at least 3 times daily ridiculous news in their groups, in an attempt to control the minds of the others
    13. Falsely accusing others of real crimes
    14. Use words without a real knowledge of them

    (Sometimes the disorder is associated with overweight and obesity, possibly due to the excessive sedentary hours spent in front of the computer)

    There are currently no specific treatments for the “Frolic-like disorder”, although total regression from the syndrome has been observed in subjects who discontinued contact with the Shaman.

    ==—-==—-==—-==—-==—-==

    As always, the comments of the followers of Frolic Mills are sterile, false, offensive and especially reticent, because they evade the hard questions. They want to ridicule my comments or those of others who think differently from Frolic for the simple fact that they want to distract the reader from the real issue: the existence of a fashion mafia within Second Life, where Frolic is trying to dictate to everyone and everything. Polemikos, in his own words, gave me the chance to prove that the best of sl group’s vision is inspired by social Darwinism, which is the root  of many racist theories in the world. All this happens with the tacit consent and inertia of LL.

    Just my opinion Says: I agree Polemikus – I Have Been In His group for over 4 years and I have not seen ounce Frolic ridicule anyone.

    Wait……. and see.

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  277. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    @ life ,,, The links are in the miss virtual world academy thread, and the one who doesn´t know what is being talked about is you!

    The teen grid doesn’t exist and none of the people you mention are teens. GET A LIFE, because these false and illegal accusations can land you in a great legal battle, and I do know where you live.

    This is all too gross people. It really is. Even for a lowlife like you.

    Yes, and I do know who you are.

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  278. What a blast Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    @ Mew

    “Get your head out of your butt. 🙂 and I say that in the nicest way possible.”

    Sure thing Mew. You just showed your level of intelligence, the nicest way possible 😉

    And keep watching, see if Avenues cares about this 😉 If they do, believe me, it’s going to be done legally, fall upon your (empty) head and you won’t even see it coming! Silence is gold in legal matters 😉

    More popcorn for me 😉

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  279. What a blast Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    @Winter

    Don’t worry about any of the accusations that were made here about Rusch and Jesika.

    I bet they are now working on a legal way to find out who Polemikos is (Agency Report keeps track of all our IP addresses) and ask the responsible person who made such accusations to give full evidence of he/she said.

    Moreover, both ladies and the entire Avenue staff is way high above this. Just saying… watch out who you mess with.

    Now I sit back and eat my popcorn 😉

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  280. Life Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    @ Just My Opinion

    I don’t know what lies you are spouting about but the only thing Agency Report linked together is when Frolic pretended to be a MVW student, contestant of MVW and other alts. Agency Report tagged all his posts as from MVW Organization. The proof is right there in the pages.

    Frolic is notorious in seeking young men. Do you know the age of his current lover? If you don’t then STFU because you do not know crap and you are defending a disgusting person. And Frolic has accessed to the SL Teenage Sim. Nice hunting ground.

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  281. Winter Jefferson Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    HEY come on Polemikos; your comments about Jesika and the muzzle go way too far. Please don’t speak about the ladies in this way – any of them, no matter which side, sexual preference, creed, colour or agency. You don’t need to do that to make your point or further this discussion, no one does. Please retain the class that I’ve seen you display so often in the past.

    I’m not going to weigh in further on this thread because I wish my plea to stand alone.

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  282. Mew Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    @ What a blast

    There is nothing dramatic about accepting a mistake and moving on.
    Do you know what’s dramatic?
    Sitting here acting like a victim after being ridiculous. Everyone throws the “no drama” words around their profile or their posts. Look at where you are. What is not drama here?
    When you post here, expect to get involved. If they did not want that, they could make their own article in their own blog.
    Get your head out of your butt. 🙂 and I say that in the nicest way possible.

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  283. Polemikos Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    @Doubly DIsgusted

    After the ill-conceived AVENUE PR campaign for the Alure sim not that long ago, I feel safe in thinking that “fly-bys” have occurred amidst the AVENUE family

    Jesika “Loose cannon” Contempomi’s reputation and temper precedes her like a dark storm cloud on the horizon. She needs a muzzle and a leash. She huffs and puffs and threatens people left and right. The way she dismisses anyone who she deems not worthy is hysterical.

    Why is it okay to continuously attack Frolic with unsubstantiated charges of all sorts of things? Private things btw. And then why is it disgusting when the same sorts of allegations are made about others?

    In some ways I feel a bit sorry for Frolic, whose hard-earned success makes him the target of all sorts of innuendo and ambiguity. It’s a good thing he’s as well-grounded in himself as he is.

    With regard to the vast majority of modeling agency owners in SL, their communal reputation as far as promiscuity goes is not subject to much debate. To say nothing of the powertripping they engage in along the way. If something happens between 2 consenting adults in SL I say that’s their business. If those people choose to throw their relationship in everyone’s face they shouldn’t whine when it gets dragged through the mud.

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    • krismessmer Says:

      August 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm

      I’m soooo glad I’m not the vast majority….lol…..Why do I read this stuff like a crack addict…lmao…..I guess its all entertaining and I love to smile… 🙂

      Kris Messmer
      -CEO, iC Motions

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  284. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    @ Life

    I have an idea Life. – How about getting off your computer and getting a job so you can provide better for your teenage son?

    Food for thought.

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  285. Polemikos Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    @Life

    Don’t assume you know me.either. You don’t have a clue

    And since you’ve taken upon yourself to name Frolic’s alleged harem am I safe in assuming that you, personally, interviewed them all.

    Would we know any of them if they weren’t associated with Frolic btw. I think not.

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  286. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Hmm i actually remember this incident. Some wacko lady from his academy accused frolic of sexually harrassing her. She then found out he was gay, so she “corrected” it by saying that he harrassed her husband lol, and THEN she made a million alts which agency report linked all together.

    Like I said all boring lies…

    About all the “lovers” you assign Frolic …They are all adults, so whatever hapenned between them, it’s only their problem!

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  287. Doubly Disgusted Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    “Let’s go back to the “other” agency run by RL partners Rusch Raymaker and Jesika Contempomi who are as out of their closet as Frolic is out of his. Is their lifestyle choice more acceptable to you? Do you think they’ve never done a flyby on a young female model? Get real”

    Wow. That is stooping to an incredible low.
    And actually, no. This reader – and I would venture to guess many others like me – does not believe that either have them have ever “done a flyby” on a young female model. Why, because they are gay? Because they own an agency and you assume most agency owners take sexual advantages of others? You get real. Seriously.

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  288. Life Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    @ Polemikos or Frolic Mills or Nave Fall?

    Don’t assume you know me. I have a gay teenage son and I’m very supportive of him and who he is. I’m a single mother who is surviving in the city and raising my son as best as I can. I don’t have a problem with him being gay. What I have a problem is old men praying on young boys like what Frolic does here. It is disgusting. Everyone knows it. Ask his boy lovers how old they are…Dahriel, Cade, Editorial, Ethan, Scott and the list goes on.

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  289. Polemikos Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Let’s consider this quote:

    Life said this:

    I don’t understand how designers support him and his disgusting behavior of luring and seducing young boys for a promise to his agency. Any young male models in SL know how Frolic acts.

    Comment: Sounds like hearsay to me. You are not one of those young boy models are you Life? So you know he does this how? Oh I get it, someone told you he does that. So that makes it the truth huh? I suppose because you repeat it that lends it more validity huh? Let’s go back to the “other” agency run by RL partners Rusch Raymaker and Jesika Contempomi who are as out of their closet as Frolic is out of his. Is their lifestyle choice more acceptable to you? Do you think they’ve never done a flyby on a young female model? Get real

    You go on to say:

    I’m a mother of a teenage son and I would never let him come to Second Life.

    Comment: I suppose you really think you can stop your son from seeing things like SL do you? These 13 year old kids are more tech savvy then you could be in 3 lifetimes. So get over yourself because you’re living in a dream world. He and his little friends are looking at sites on a daily basis that would make your hair curl up and fall out. I suppose you are tending to him 24X7 huh? When do you have time for your own SL adventures? I say go back to your idyllic suburban lifestyle, get your weekly manicure where you can dish about how your hubby is so boring, vote your Tea Party ticket, but don’t comment on lifestyle that are perfectly acceptable to many in SL that you, in the back of your mind, secretly wouldn’t mind trying out. Just mind your own business.

    Froth on

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  290. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 10:46 am

    I agree Polemikus – I have been in his group for over 4 years and not once have I seen Frolic ridicule anyone.

    In fact, he has published articles about Gorean content in his mag.

    This is why none of these writings will ever affect anyone in SL. People here have a tendency to make up lies with the intent to hurt others under anon names. It’s a sick practice and a waste of time.

    I am not going to end this with the cliche “Get a Life!”. it’s rather obvious you all prefer Frolic Mill’s life. So be it!

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  291. Polemikos Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Stop the lies

    @ THE REPORTER ©

    I defy you to prove this statement:

    “Frolic posted several derogatory comments in his group to ridicule the community of Goreans. An action that is contrary to the TOS of Second Life (above the law?)”

    If you saw that in the BOSL Readers Group’s open chat, did you file an abuse report with Linden Labs over it? I assume you kept a log of that chat session since you recall it so vividly, I can’t wait to read that.

    I’ve got RL to tend to but I’ll be back with other questions later on.

    I will say that being ridiculed and pilloried in public for getting cheap seems to have left a mark on Rusch Raymaker CEO of AVENUE. I’d bet her partner, Jesika Contempomi was frothing at the mouth over what’s been said in here. Dismissing my comments about AVENUE’s advertorial approach to their publishing policies was an interesting bit of slight of hand. If anything can be bought where is the journalistic integrity. Shades of Rupert Murdoch. The simple difference between AVENUE and BOSL is that you can buy anything at AVENUE but at BOSL all you can buy is an ad, the content production is separate form advertising. Pretty basic stuff

    Froth on

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  292. Free Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 9:27 am

    @ disgusted and whatever..

    You are both so wrong it’s laughable.. I am no noob to modeling nor to SL (over 6 years 4 of which was spent modeling).. There are plenty of arguments to put forward, but I simply cannot be bothered.

    I don’t sit reading this all day, but I was pointed here so I took a look and could not help but laugh. The modeling world has not changed – there are those that make a success of themselves and those that sit in here bitching about them.

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  293. Just my opinion Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 9:11 am

    I don’t think BOSL nor AVENUE should feel bad about any of this. After all if we diidn’t have them, what would we write about?

    @Reporter: You need to update your loving relationship with Frolic, you keep making references of things that were discussed plenty 3 to 4 years ago. I just wonder how is it that you dislike him so much and yet you seem to know his every move. Stalker much?

    Sometimes I get the feeling that if A and B stopped, the four of us posting here would die of boredom.

    Avenue and BOSL keep the show running, so we can talk, talk and talk some more!

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  294. What a blast Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 9:09 am

    @ Free

    who said we aren’t no lifers? Course we are no lifers. what are you, then? No lifer, just like the bunch of us here.

    Make no mistake, Frolic does read everything that’s posted here. Every little thing! You don’t know if he answers or not, cause we have no access to all the anonymous people commenting here and he and his group comment on this, get angry at all this, and cover it up with bad sarcasm. He loves being talked about! That’s his essence, looking at how he behaves in SL. A star – or so he thinks!

    I was so expecting that “get a life” thing. LMAO. It’s the ultimate resource of those who have absolutely no arguments. Lack of intelligence, that’s how it’s called 😉

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  295. What a blast Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:59 am

    @ Mew

    Sit tight darling and hope not to fall asleep with your popcorn , yea? Cause when one of Avenue members talks, they talk only once.
    So, if you’re expecting other then silence from Rusch or any of her staff – from now on – you may wait and wait and wait LMAO
    She said it, she said it once. Done. What part of the “drama free” she mentions did you not understand 😉

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  296. disgusted Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 8:43 am

    @ Free, oh how I love the neophyte. Yes, that means you. Free must be new to SL modeling because this post is absurd. Of course Frolic cares. You apparently have missed the notices and other caddy responses he’s disseminated when he’s highlighted as a huge jerk. LOL, classic Johnny come lately.

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  297. Mew Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 6:16 am

    @ Rusch
    Dear Avenue,
    I’m disappointed. Playing the victim? I certainly gave you more credit than this. I’m not planning on writing huge paragraphs. My point is simple. You screwed up. It was wrong to expect profit from a charity event, it was wrong to ask FFL to change dates for your small, oh not so successful event.
    What you can do is, next time think twice before asking for something. Therefore you’ll spare yourself the pointed fingers and giggles.
    Much love.
    Just an observer.

    PS: Would anyone like some popcorn?

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  298. Free Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 5:54 am

    What a sad lot of no-lifers you lot are. Frolic doesn’t post here because he doesn’t care what people like you think of him.. and why should he? Just because you write stuff here behind anonymous names does not make one iota of it true.

    Wake up – get a life.. close this site and find something constructive to do instead of trying to be destructive.

    If you let SL get you so riled you find the need to propagate lies over a successful business man, then it’s time you found a 3rd life.

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  299. disgusted Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Hey Frolic, I’ll even script your next en masse notice around SL. You can dress up like The Dictator from Sascha Baron Cohen’s latest flick, produce a video and poke fun at everyone. Maybe even give everyone the A,B,Cs of Darwin and natural selection.

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  300. Life Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 12:27 am

    If this is real life, Frolic Mills would be a pariah and behind bars. I don’t understand how designers support him and his disgusting behavior of luring and seducing young boys for a promise to his agency. Any young male models in SL know how Frolic acts. Shame on you, Frolic. You are over 50 years old. I’m a mother of a teenage son and I would never let him come to Second Life.

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  301. disgusted Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 12:23 am

    @ The Reporter, you’re brilliant and I love to read your comments. It’s very sad what was done to Bouquet and the brand Vero Modero. I give Bouquet credit for hanging in there because a lesser person would have quit under such conditions. Bouquet was smart though and got out there right away with screen shots and proof, to bolster the defense against Gizza’s malicious accusations. Ironically, many models also came out publicly in defense of Vero and were totally and summarily “blacklisted” by Frolic. Very “business-like.” In the world Frolic would create, SL modeling would be a fascist state and himself the dictator. Is this what people want from their SL experience? You made excellent points that illustrated just that, when he went after the Gorean community.

    I too was stunned and shocked by the references to Darwinism as Polemikos relates it to SL modeling. I guarantee that is NOT the world most would choose to work, associate and mingle in.

    This was classic,

    “That you say Frolic handles criticisms in an adult manner is bullshit, but a common aspect of several “adults” in the virtual world. Frolic’s weak point is his touchiness about criticisms against him and he is lying to himself about it to avoid lowering his self-esteem. The problem is that he wants to convince others of the same, brainwashing the virtual fashion community, controlling everything and everyone. This is unacceptable.”

    I give it a few days before big baby, boo too Frolic is firing off numerous notices on all channels to the SL modeling world, with some snarky, sassy come back, tying to be witty and downplay this. Maybe he’ll even shed the Greek thing, entertain us and come on here under his own name.

    It’s funny “Pole” mentioned something about getting under our skin, when in fact I’m amused by the entire exchange and believe it is he, who is all jacked up. Regardless, should be interesting 😀

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  302. The Reporter © Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 12:02 am

    @ Disgusted

    Your speech, in which you mention the dispute between Vero Modero and Gizza, brings up some interesting points. I conducted some investigation and from what I understand, the business of Vero Modero, especially with regards to the relationship with fashion groups and models, would be compromised or otherwise damaged by the actions of Gizza. I do not have the legal power to determine who is right and who is wrong in the matter but I can express my opinions.  I believe that the accusations against Vero  Modero are completely unfounded, but Gizza has achieved its purpose, which was to remove the models from Vero Modero. In short, the damage is done. The models are afraid to wear Vero Modero.  It’s true that Gizza  is a good customer of  Frolic Mills (they call themselves brother and sister) and Gizza publicly requested of Frolic to remove the clothing of Vero Modero on grounds of copying.

    Models, do not buy what they are afraid to wear and especially if said clothing has not received the blessing of Frolic Mills. In truth Modero not only finds itself the victim of an injustice, but in also having to prove his innocence which seems to be insufficient to remedy the harm already suffered. Paradoxical, but quite possible in a virtual world where the models’ clothes sell but only as those approved by Frolic Mills.

    @ Polemikos (1)

    Polemikos your pattern is typical of all BOSL followers, which includes, among other aspects, to accuse others of being envious or jealous… all the time trying to place doubt over the conduct of the speaker but you never actually engage in any intellectual form of debate.  Yours is a bullying tactic used in an attempt to ridicule any opponents rather than trying to enlighten us as to the merits of your chosen side.  It is the business strategy chosen by Frolic Mills and his followers, aggressive and defamatory against those who think differently and, apparently, very effective in Secondlife. Frolic Mills is a Machiavellian, in the worst sense of the term, as its business purpose justifies any unfairness towards other people. Defending themselves against abuse and injustice is already difficult in the real world, but even more difficult in the lawless and soulless virtual world, where most often people decide to simply let it go.

    As I already mentioned, the adepts of BOSL often accuse others of jealousy and envy, using the two terms in ignorance without knowledge or care of the facts. A world where no one would cast any doubt, nor advancing criticisms, whether right or wrong, would create a stagnant human life bereft of progress in any field. Anna Sapphire, Miss virtual world in office, said in an interview that every year there are envious and jealous people very critical of the winner so the organization psychologically prepares them for this.  All this is simply called “brainwashing” or “manipulation of the minds of others” and it is absolutely wrong. However, I consider Anna Sapphire, adequate for the role of Miss Virtual World (or Miss Bosl) because she has all of the necessary credentials to be an adept of Frolic, including being false.  She made recent public statements where she claims to have met the Frolic for the first time on the final day of Miss virtual world, apparently forgetting how frolic mills performed her SL wedding ceremony with great pomp or that she was a blogger for him for a year.

    These doubts are not synonymous with envy and jealousy, but they are legitimate because Frolic Mills is a real business using Secondlife. I would like to see the rules regarding the conduct of business within Second Life, become more severe and related to those of real business, because the L $ can be converted to real money and should be subject to the same business principles and laws of the real world.

    Polemikos, I really think that you are consulting the abridged dictionaries of the Frolic, because you’re really taking whistles for flasks, especially regarding the term pro-bono, which means simply “for the public good” that provides a service or professional benefit, such as legal matters, without requiring a fee to a person or group of persons because they can not afford the cost. It isn’t the first time that you have used a term incorrectly in your attempt to sound educated to these readers.  Offering a free course to become the virtual model has nothing to do with pro-bono. You are confusing educational courses with public services.  It’s called philanthropy to provide a non-primary necessity, but of absolute frivolity, such as a course for Models.

    The fact that Frolic and his group take part in charitable collections would be very commendable if it were not so apparent that they are driven by his desire to simply display a charitable side for appearance sake, to promote himself and enrich his curriculum with something good. A true philanthropist gives regardless of any publicity but Frolic never misses an occasion to mention his, so-called, “charitable acts” in the case of any criticism direct against him.  Honestly, I do not care to donate a single linden to RFL, precisely due to the presence of Frolic Mills and the way he uses the charity to give light to his, otherwise, dark curriculum and
    devastate any competition or persons he doesn’t like.

    To wit, last year, Frolic posted several derogatory comments in his group to ridicule the community of Goreans. An action that is contrary to the TOS of Second Life (above the law?) The Goreans are a community that are very active and strong as a group in gathering for RFL.  Is that to say that his efforts have any more meaning than theirs?

    For my place, I am an independent commentator and free from any constraint, but with a  good eye for the virtual world of fashion. However, I think Polemikos, adept of BOSL, wants to take the opportunity (I’m not sure why) to spit venom at Avenue, perhaps because Frolic has not digested the presence of the unloyal “Miaa Rebane” (ex miss virtual world) as a new stylist for their magazine?

    @ Polemikos (2)

    Polemikos, whether you’re Frolic Mills or not is not my interest. Did I ask you to explain it? Why do you feel compelled to excuse yourself Where no one asked you a thing? You are perfectly free to admire Frolic and wallpaper your room with posters of his avatar if you wish.

    I do not evaluate a businessman by the power of his success but by other criteria, such as competence, honesty and professionalism.  There is much to discuss concerning the alleged success of the virtual Frolic Mills mostly because he seems rather self-indulgent. Perhaps, after having claimed his studies in business, he should aspire to something other than a virtual success, in terms of earnings.

    I will not waste words on your veiled insults, as it is one of several features in the bosl-frolic pattern, insulting where you can’t argue in a sensible manner.

    That you say Frolic handles criticisms in an adult manner is bullshit, but a common aspect of several “adults” in the virtual world.  Frolic’s weak point is his touchiness about criticisms against him and he is
    lying to himself about it to avoid lowering his self-esteem. The problem is that he wants to convince others of the same, brainwashing the virtual fashion community, controlling everything and everyone. This is unacceptable.

    I’m not psychoanalyzing anyone, but simply expressing my opinion. You are completely intolerant of all things against your ideas but you are hiding behind your insults because you don’t have an original thought of your own, only the blind allegiance to your hero and his ideas.

    Frolic has the presumption to publish that which is best in SL. Very well. And what is his selection criteria? Expertise in design? No! There are two criteria friendship with some of the designers and the money of other
    designers. The more appropriate name for his magazine could  be the The Best of SL for Frolic Mills (whether you are friend or you pay him).

    Polemikos, the models are targeted towards associating with specific designers and subliminally intimidated into dissociating themselves from other designers. You are contradictory in your words. First because you say that the models are not encouraged to associate with anyone, but then you assert the existence of specific designers that support the organization by offering gifts to the models for marketing purposes. And who allows these designers to have access to these models and send them gifts?

    I repeat, that Frolic Mills feels entitled to everything and more, for the simple fact that LL ignores the misbehavior of a client who owns a
    few dozen islands.

    The magazine that Frolic frolic publishes is low level, in terms of graphics and content.  Moreover, he pays almost nothing or to his employees, so I suppose you shouldn’t expect better quality.  His employees are supposed to feel honored to work for him.

    Frolic has refused to pay photographers for their work, saying it gave them visibility in a “popular” magazine and that they should agree to take pictures for him pro-bono (you like that word, I know!) in exchange for the visibility of having their names in his “virtual magazine”.

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    @ Polemikos (3)

    Frolemikos and the Virtual Darwinism
    Racism, thanks to the supporters of BOSL, such as Polemikos, is now also virtual.

    Polemikos, can you enlighten me on your Darwinian view as you have applied to the virtual society? I do not know if you are aware that the application of Darwinian principles to society was made by the English capitalist Spencer, in the nineteenth century, but I must tell you that this term was then used to empower the widening racial theories. In other words, natural selection of Darwin, was used to justify colonialism or any other form of social exploitation, reflecting the idea of the strong and rich that has prevailed over the weak and poor. Social Darwinism is Unfortunate material for history books. Your ignorance is so great that you did not even realize you’re promoting virtual racism.

    Do you realize the seriousness of your statements? What you said bears an enormous gravity, even though dictated by your abysmal ignorance. Using the term inappropriately and in a few words you said that the economic structure of SL is Darwinian, where the powerful over the weak win.  Thats called Virtual racism!

    It appears that within SL is forming a racist  division, headed by Frolic Mills and his followers and that LL does nothing to stop it. It is simply outrageous.  Frolic Mills must be very proud of you!

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  303. disgusted Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 12:01 am

    @ Rausch very thoughtful and measured words. I applaud you and your staff for all the hard work you do. You’re organization is a class act and has that reputation in spades! It’s no secret models would prefer to train and work with Avenue, than with BOSL, MVW and Frolic. I have no doubt many designers, photographers and models read AR and are becoming more and more aware of the hijinks of Frolic and his crew. Just the mere fact this discussion somehow was turned around and USED as a forum to attack and malign AVENUE speaks volumes about who was ultimately behind this. I’m amused “Pole” used the term “jealousy” in an earlier post, because that seems to be what motivates his/her comments, “pure and simple.” I might also add, on the off chance Polemikos is not Frolic, but a friend or supporter, you have done Fro a real disservice by taking off after AVENUE. You put the focus of that erroneous assault squarely back on Frolic. Good work smarty pants. I agree with Business Minded in that the designers who overtly and with bias align themselves with him, should be avoided. While on the other hand there are many designers who work with all or most SL periodicals and should be supported. They aren’t to blame for this and ultimately Frolic will screw himself. People know and they’re completely fed up. I think “Pole” sums up the overall cold, callus, unfriendly and cut throat attitude of Frolic, BOSL and MVW. Members have enough of that crap in their RL and do not come to SL to be treated and regarded the same way. Frolic and his bunch have become the “mean girls” of SL modeling and it’s so base and childish. He can come on here or send his minions to try and belittle us, marginalize our opinions and attempt to reduce us down to a rowdy bunch of puss faces who will eventually “die off” because we aren’t “relevant.” The fact remains he’s no longer “relevant!” His favorite word by the way, despite the fact “English is his 2nd language.” So we’re to believe the man who owns and operates BOSL, MVW and loves the sound of his own voice wouldn’t write as well here as he does everywhere else? Yeah whatever Polemikos/Frolic, nice try. Your days “at the top” are numbered. Oh wait, it’s pretty much only you who thinks that you are. There’s loads of distention in your own ranks and you aren’t even aware of it. Pull up a chair SL modeling world and watch the fireworks and fun to come. You might want to grab some popcorn too, because this show is going to be hilarious!

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  304. The Reporter © Says:

    March 5, 2012 at 12:00 am

    @ Disgusted

    Your speech, in which you mention the dispute between Vero Modero and Gizza, brings up some interesting points. I conducted some investigation and from what I understand, the business of Vero Modero, especially with regards to the relationship with fashion groups and models, would be compromised or otherwise damaged by the actions of Gizza. I do not have the legal power to determine who is right and who is wrong in the matter but I can express my opinions.  I believe that the accusations against Vero  Modero are completely unfounded, but Gizza has achieved its purpose, which was to remove the models from Vero Modero. In short, the damage is done. The models are afraid to wear Vero Modero.  It’s true that Gizza  is a good customer of  Frolic Mills (they call themselves brother and sister) and Gizza publicly requested of Frolic to remove the clothing of Vero Modero on grounds of copying.

    Models, do not buy what they are afraid to wear and especially if said clothing has not received the blessing of Frolic Mills. In truth Modero not only finds itself the victim of an injustice, but in also having to prove his innocence which seems to be insufficient to remedy the harm already suffered. Paradoxical, but quite possible in a virtual world where the models’ clothes sell but only as those approved by Frolic Mills.

    @ Polemikos (1)

    Polemikos your pattern is typical of all BOSL followers, which includes, among other aspects, to accuse others of being envious or jealous… all the time trying to place doubt over the conduct of the speaker but you never actually engage in any intellectual form of debate.  Yours is a bullying tactic used in an attempt to ridicule any opponents rather than trying to enlighten us as to the merits of your chosen side.  It is the business strategy chosen by Frolic Mills and his followers, aggressive and defamatory against those who think differently and, apparently, very effective in Secondlife. Frolic Mills is a Machiavellian, in the worst sense of the term, as its business purpose justifies any unfairness towards other people. Defending themselves against abuse and injustice is already difficult in the real world, but even more difficult in the lawless and soulless virtual world, where most often people decide to simply let it go.

    As I already mentioned, the adepts of BOSL often accuse others of jealousy and envy, using the two terms in ignorance without knowledge or care of the facts. A world where no one would cast any doubt, nor advancing criticisms, whether right or wrong, would create a stagnant human life bereft of progress in any field. Anna Sapphire, Miss virtual world in office, said in an interview that every year there are envious and jealous people very critical of the winner so the organization psychologically prepares them for this.  All this is simply called “brainwashing” or “manipulation of the minds of others” and it is absolutely wrong. However, I consider Anna Sapphire, adequate for the role of Miss Virtual World (or Miss Bosl) because she has all of the necessary credentials to be an adept of Frolic, including being false.  She made recent public statements where she claims to have met the Frolic for the first time on the final day of Miss virtual world, apparently forgetting how frolic mills performed her SL wedding ceremony with great pomp or that she was a blogger for him for a year.

    These doubts are not synonymous with envy and jealousy, but they are legitimate because Frolic Mills is a real business using Secondlife. I would like to see the rules regarding the conduct of business within Second Life, become more severe and related to those of real business, because the L $ can be converted to real money and should be subject to the same business principles and laws of the real world.

    Polemikos, I really think that you are consulting the abridged dictionaries of the Frolic, because you’re really taking whistles for flasks, especially regarding the term pro-bono, which means simply “for the public good” that provides a service or professional benefit, such as legal matters, without requiring a fee to a person or group of persons because they can not afford the cost. It isn’t the first time that you have used a term incorrectly in your attempt to sound educated to these readers.  Offering a free course to become the virtual model has nothing to do with pro-bono. You are confusing educational courses with public services.  It’s called philanthropy to provide a non-primary necessity, but of absolute frivolity, such as a course for Models.

    The fact that Frolic and his group take part in charitable collections would be very commendable if it were not so apparent that they are driven by his desire to simply display a charitable side for appearance sake, to promote himself and enrich his curriculum with something good. A true philanthropist gives regardless of any publicity but Frolic never misses an occasion to mention his, so-called, “charitable acts” in the case of any criticism direct against him.  Honestly, I do not care to donate a single linden to RFL, precisely due to the presence of Frolic Mills and the way he uses the charity to give light to his, otherwise, dark curriculum and
    devastate any competition or persons he doesn’t like.

    To wit, last year, Frolic posted several derogatory comments in his group to ridicule the community of Goreans. An action that is contrary to the TOS of Second Life (above the law?) The Goreans are a community that are very active and strong as a group in gathering for RFL.  Is that to say that his efforts have any more meaning than theirs?

    For my place, I am an independent commentator and free from any constraint, but with a  good eye for the virtual world of fashion. However, I think Polemikos, adept of BOSL, wants to take the opportunity (I’m not sure why) to spit venom at Avenue, perhaps because Frolic has not digested the presence of the unloyal “Miaa Rebane” (ex miss virtual world) as a new stylist for their magazine?

    @ Polemikos (2)

    Polemikos, whether you’re Frolic Mills or not is not my interest. Did I ask you to explain it? Why do you feel compelled to excuse yourself Where no one asked you a thing? You are perfectly free to admire Frolic and wallpaper your room with posters of his avatar if you wish.

    I do not evaluate a businessman by the power of his success but by other criteria, such as competence, honesty and professionalism.  There is much to discuss concerning the alleged success of the virtual Frolic Mills mostly because he seems rather self-indulgent. Perhaps, after having claimed his studies in business, he should aspire to something other than a virtual success, in terms of earnings.

    I will not waste words on your veiled insults, as it is one of several features in the bosl-frolic pattern, insulting where you can’t argue in a sensible manner.

    That you say Frolic handles criticisms in an adult manner is bullshit, but a common aspect of several “adults” in the virtual world.  Frolic’s weak point is his touchiness about criticisms against him and he is
    lying to himself about it to avoid lowering his self-esteem. The problem is that he wants to convince others of the same, brainwashing the virtual fashion community, controlling everything and everyone. This is unacceptable.

    I’m not psychoanalyzing anyone, but simply expressing my opinion. You are completely intolerant of all things against your ideas but you are hiding behind your insults because you don’t have an original thought of your own, only the blind allegiance to your hero and his ideas.

    Frolic has the presumption to publish that which is best in SL. Very well. And what is his selection criteria? Expertise in design? No! There are two criteria friendship with some of the designers and the money of other
    designers. The more appropriate name for his magazine could  be the The Best of SL for Frolic Mills (whether you are friend or you pay him).

    Polemikos, the models are targeted towards associating with specific designers and subliminally intimidated into dissociating themselves from other designers. You are contradictory in your words. First because you say that the models are not encouraged to associate with anyone, but then you assert the existence of specific designers that support the organization by offering gifts to the models for marketing purposes. And who allows these designers to have access to these models and send them gifts?

    I repeat, that Frolic Mills feels entitled to everything and more, for the simple fact that LL ignores the misbehavior of a client who owns a
    few dozen islands.

    The magazine that Frolic frolic publishes is low level, in terms of graphics and content.  Moreover, he pays almost nothing or to his employees, so I suppose you shouldn’t expect better quality.  His employees are supposed to feel honored to work for him.

    Frolic has refused to pay photographers for their work, saying it gave them visibility in a “popular” magazine and that they should agree to take pictures for him pro-bono (you like that word, I know!) in exchange for the visibility of having their names in his “virtual magazine”.

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    @ Polemikos (3)

    Frolemikos and the Virtual Darwinism!

    Racism, thanks to the supporters of BOSL, such as Polemikos, is now also virtual.

    Polemikos, can you enlighten me on your Darwinian view as you have applied to the virtual society? I do not know if you are aware that the application of Darwinian principles to society was made by the English capitalist Spencer, in the nineteenth century, but I must tell you that this term was then used to empower the widening racial theories. In other words, natural selection of Darwin, was used to justify colonialism or any other form of social exploitation, reflecting the idea of the strong and rich that has prevailed over the weak and poor. Social Darwinism is Unfortunate material for history books. Your ignorance is so great that you did not even realize you’re promoting virtual racism.

    Do you realize the seriousness of your statements? What you said bears an enormous gravity, even though dictated by your abysmal ignorance. Using the term inappropriately and in a few words you said that the economic structure of SL is Darwinian, where the powerful over the weak win.  Thats called Virtual racism!

    It appears that within SL is forming a racist  division, headed by Frolic Mills and his followers and that LL does nothing to stop it. It is simply outrageous.  

    Frolic Mills must be very proud of you!

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  305. Life Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Bravo AVENUE and Rusch Raymaker.

    Frolic Mills should learn a lesson from Avenue on being professional instead of posting here under anonymous made up names. Grow some balls instead of chasing them all over the grid.

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  306. Rusch Raymaker Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    It saddens me to read the post by Polemikos the first thing I sat at my computer today.

    I think of those that have to give of their time, talent and efforts to better our Second Life…and this is the gratitude that is expressed against them? This is why I must stand up against these untruths.

    Since 2009, AVENUE’s Relay for Life Team, AVENUE of Life, has organised with the help of staff volunteers and members of the public, to organise and coordinate our own host of activities and programmes to support this worthy cause each year. As far as I know, AVENUE had always been one of the top teams with our efforts. But it was never about competing to be the best as I valued the camaraderie of all those that volunteered their time.

    On our own accord, I have also personally initiated a Tribute to Alexander McQueen following the announcement of his death that day where we raised funds with 40 designers to contribute 100% of sales proceeds to a befitting charity that he might have patronised – Keep a Child Alive, which resonated with his own causes. My thoughts were, why couldn’t we, keep this child alive (McQueen). With so many that admired and loved him for his spirit and talents…and yet the light was not there for him to find.

    So I urge you to consider how hurt the 83 staff and supporters in AVENUE of Life that worked so hard to raise funds and help the cause, when they see your searing untruths for which I cannot rationalise your motivation. What gives any of us any right to judge on other people’s philanthropical efforts? We give of what we can and to the best of our abilities. All of us are equal in the face of cancer. Life is precious. I have lost family members to cancer. I wish that we can harness our energies to preserving all the good things in life and passing that on.

    And as for Harper, if you recall, I came to you with the approach to collaborate between Mix + Mesh and Fashion for Life but due to mismatched objectives, I had informed you that we would have to leave Mix + Mesh out of RFL efforts although we would be organising separate events and activities instead. I came to you with openness as we have always been an RFL supporter and we were certainly not wanting to take away any attention from the cause. I even offered free coverage in any way we can.

    As for the interview we offered you, Harper, to help publicise your efforts for Fashion for Life…I know you never asked but we offered. However asking for a byline simply by replying some questions do not make you the writer of the interview. Our writer would have refashioned and constructed a more narrative style of the interview to give insights that are unseen to the readers. Q+A does not equate to co-writing.

    I have about 120 staff to care for to provide them with creative outlets and a modest remuneration for their contributions. Is it so wrong to want to compensate them marginally to thank them for what they do? Yes, AVENUE Magazine has advertorial simply because from someone who comes from a marketing background, I have seen how advertorials work for real life brands such as Mac makeup, Clinique, etc. The covers are up for bookings but the final decision still lies with me as the Publisher, whether we will make them the cover story. If there is some greater beauty and merit for being able to share about new potential or helping them look their best, I would comply. Every company has a different business model and culture. And ours is not one of drama and negative energies. I created AVENUE to be like a family, free from drama and bad energies. I have fought for this very hard to protect those that have come to love and support me and I of them. So do not, print lies that are unsupported and worst of all, to tarnish the reputations of those you have no idea of who they are, who put their hearts and time to help others.

    I hope that all of us, including myself, will dedicate our times and efforts to making this world we exist in better- real or virtual. Why are we tending to charitable efforts? Cos we all know how precious life is. So for all our sakes, live like it is precious…

    Love and light,
    Rusch Raymaker
    &
    The AVENUE family

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  307. Business Minded Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    The answer is Pure and Simple:

    If you hate Frolic and BOSL, then don’t support them. Stop spending your money on designers that support BOSL. Hurt them where it counts.

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  308. Just my opinion Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Apparently Frolic isn’t the only one with this opinion:

    “Perhaps you think that being a model means traveling the world, getting paid obscene amounts of money, drinking lots of Champagne, and having your own fashion line, a television show and an adoring public.

    In a few cases — very few — that’s true. But, mostly, modeling is a job. And that job is to sell clothes.”

    Ellen Warren Tribune senior correspondent

    “It’s selling a dream,” says Shannon Lang, director of scouting for Ford Models Chicago, an agency that provides models for Sears, Kmart, Target, Lands’ End, Kohl’s, Discovery Clothing Co. and others.

    “I look at that item of clothing and I want to buy it because I want to be her. I want to look like her. I want to look like her wearing that,” explains Lang.

    Reference: http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/tribu/sc-cons-0623-warren-shopping-model-se20110624,0,1909674.column

    And btw Harper, thank you for sharing the story. /me shakes head!

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  309. Polemikos Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    I think I’ve hit the mark here and laft one on Disgusted to boot.

    I can also see we’re a bit polarized in our choices. The good news is that there’s room for many different groups and business models in SL. That’s magnificent in fact. The best will prosper and the rest will fade away or attempt a different approach.

    The economy of SL has dictated that new designers and new models take steps on their own, mind you, to establish where, if anywhere, they fit into things.That’s Darwinian and it works great. The best will rise to the top. Pretty basic business school stuff. The trick is staying at the top and relevant over time.

    When their is a ripple in the force, like that being caused now by the emergence of mesh in SL, environmental changes occur, some designers/modles (species in effect) will die off and others will take their places seamlessly. Also a good thing.

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  310. disgusted Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    “Pole” up his arse “mikos” is a tool. You want an “alternative?” If you had actually read what was written instead of over preparing your sanctimonious response, you might have caught the part where I mentioned, I hoped newer designers would bypass his “authority” altogether and decide for themselves which models are best suited for their products. Many are already starting to do this and running contests and castings without any involvement from BOSL and/or Frolic. They are selecting good models regardless of their name and frankly many could care less and want fresh new faces that haven’t been “messed” with by Frolic’s team of freaks. Want an another suggestion? How about Frolic get over his own hype, learn the definition of impartiality and fairness and actually revamp that joke of an academy to something of substance. ANYONE who has attended the course knows it’s a hot mess.

    With regards to Avenue, are you joking with those comments? Avenue is amazing! The instructors are phenomenal and the lessons meaningful and informative. I am more convinced now that you are Frolic or one of his sleazy henchmen.

    Jealous? Yeah we’re really super jealous of Frolic. LMAO. He’s just creepy and a complete narcissist. Sort of like you 🙂

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  311. Harper Beresford Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    I wanted to personally make some clarifications about this statement from Polemikos:

    ““The other agency” AVENUE recently refused any PR coverage of the up-coming American Cancer Society Fashion For Life event without being paid their normal exorbitant rates. They could have run a simple double-spread ad in the March issue. It costs them nothing to do that. But no. They refused. BOSL, Maniera, Scruplz and others did without a second’s thought. AVENUE couldn’t be bothered in ANY way. Dream Seeker Estates paid over $2600US to sponsor 10 Sims. C’mon.”

    Let me make abundantly clear as the lead of Fashion for Life, Avenue was never asked to provide PR for FFL.

    I will explain Avenue’s communications with me regarding Fashion for Life: First, they had approached me to ask us to move the date of our fair so they could do their mesh fair after I had sent invites to designers to participate. I explained that we could not because our fair date is set on the bigger Relay for Life season. We are the opening event for Relay for Life. This has been true every of the past six years as far as I know (since I have only organized FFL for 2 years). So moving our date was out of the question.

    At that time, I offered Avenue a potential partnership with FFL but because the rules of RFL clearly state that ALL participation in promoting RFL has to be without any profit, the partnership did not work out. Avenue was offered a sim, free of charge, if they were willing to contribute all proceeds from their promotions to RFL. However that was not acceptable to them. Avenue is a for-profit business in SL and could not find a way to partner without making money themselves. And that’s fine. It’s their business model. No problem with that.

    I gave them the name of the RFL chair to contact if they wanted to do something else for RFL. As far as I know, they never contacted the chair.

    Avenue then approached me to do an interview for them about Fashion for Life. As I would have to do the majority of the writing on a notecard to their questions, I asked for a byline. They found this confounding and insulting. I also asked if Fashion for Life could be on their cover. They decided not to do an interview with me and found my request to have Fashion for Life on their cover preposterous. That’s also fine. It’s their magazine and their business.

    Dream Seeker Estate Corporation has indeed given us a generous contribution. The sum is not public and really is no one’s business unless Dream Seeker Estate Corporation chooses to release the figure. The person commenting has no authority or knowledge of this.

    Let me make this clear: Avenue was never asked to do PR for Fashion for Life so they couldn’t have refused to do PR. Why would I ask them to do so after they already seemed insulted?

    In conclusion, Fashion for Life is going on across 10 sims from March 10-20 with over 200 designers with ALL proceeds (100% without exception) going to Relay for Life and the American Cancer Society. Please join us in celebrating fashion and the support of our fellow residents as they celebrate fashion and its power to make a small dent in the suffering cancer causes for people around the world. Read more at http://fashionforlifesl.org

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  312. What a blast Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 11:47 am

    @disgusted

    Your said
    “Frolic is so businesslike that when someone accused him of being a broke ass computer geek, he immediately fired off multiple notices throughout SL making a spectacle of himself. Sounds like a professional right?”

    That’s Frolic alright! That’s how he acts.

    Like a kid in a playground, with some pcs, loads of money to spend and an egomaniac attitude. He is not a kid, even though in RL he still lives with his mother.

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  313. What a blast Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 11:38 am

    @ Polemikos

    Oh I see!
    It’s clear now! Frolic can be a successful business man but Avenue can’t. And this has nothing to do with charity, ok?

    See? In few words I say what I think. No need to write full articles, confusing, almost with no paragraphs. Hard to read yes. Actually, hard to follow your thought anyway.

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  314. Just my opinion Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 11:24 am

    I tried to read all this, but I fell asleep.

    Sounds like you two have followed Frolic Mills’ life since forever.

    A little obsessed?

    You guys are scary!

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  315. Polemikos Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 11:21 am

    @disgusted

    You can speculate on my identity all you wish. The simple fact of the matter is that I am more adept in my use of English then Frolic is. It’s my first language afterall. For someone with English as a 2nd language Frolic is very well spoken.

    The overarching theme of your comments and those of THE REPORTER © is one of jealousy. pure and simple. You offer nothing as an alternative to BOSL though. Frolic and the BOSL organizations he heads are consistently at the forefront when assistance is needed by any charity and many models are granted entry into Miss Virtual World Academy on a pro bono basis depending on individual circumstance. Did you know that? I doubt it. You’re skimming the surface with your comments.

    Let’s go a different direction here with a recent under the radar transaction somewhere else.

    “The other agency” AVENUE recently refused any PR coverage of the up-coming American Cancer Society Fashion For Life event without being paid their normal exorbitant rates. They could have run a simple double-spread ad in the March issue. It costs them nothing to do that. But no. They refused. BOSL, Maniera, Scruplz and others did without a second’s thought. AVENUE couldn’t be bothered in ANY way. Dream Seeker Estates paid over $2600US to sponsor 10 Sims. C’mon.

    A group of SL’s most successful designers paid L$50,000 each to co-sponsor those same sims with Dream Seeker. Meanwhile 100s of people and organizations in SL have contributed their time and creativity freely to this worthwhile cause where 100% OF THE PROCEEDS GO DIRECTLY TO THE BENEFICIARY and that process is COMPLETELY transparent unlike most other charities in SL. Jesika Contempomi the CMO of AVENUE seems to think that charity begins at home. Anything at AVENUE is for available for a price, so their publication is really an advertorial with no journalistic integrity whatsoever. You only need to read the package they send out to potentila advertisers to get a fix io the scope of their venality. Want the cover along with your :story? L$25,000 no problem Chew on that one.

    Maybe, THE REPORTER © you should delve into AVENUE’s philanthropic efforts. It would be a better use of your time and talents

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  316. disgusted Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Polimekos you say you’re not Frolic, but oddly you sound so much like him in tone, writing manner and word. You defend him with vigor and bird’s eye view from the inside. Huh, interesting. You must be some “admirer.”

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  317. disgusted Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 9:59 am

    @ The Reporter….you’re AWESOME!!! Your remarks are lucid and articulate. What a refreshing change from the usual stupidity being hurled around here. Frolic has run roughshod over SL modeling for far too long. As with any person who rises or elevates themselves to a position of power, it goes right to their head and they believe they are impervious to scrutiny. Frolic runs the SL conglomerate that is BOSL. You’re correct, this is the tool by which he makes Lindens, which are then converted into RL money. Fine. I don’t think people have a problem with someone running a business and making money. What disturbs me is the way he wields his “power.” As the creator of a virtual publication and other SL media sources, he’s anything but impartial and I have a problem with that. Case in point, the Gizza/Vero controversy. If he were a true professional and “businessperson” he would’ve stayed neutral and not thrown his endorsement behind Gizza. Unfortunately, this hurt another SL business owner who provided volumes of evidence to prove her innocence. Many models erroneously feel they need Frolic’s seal of approval and now will steer clear of Vero clothing. That is despicable. Frolic is so businesslike that when someone accused him of being a broke ass computer geek, he immediately fired off multiple notices throughout SL making a spectacle of himself. Sounds like a professional right?

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  318. Polemikos Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 9:01 am

    @ An overall response to the comments of “Frolemikus”
    @ An overall response to the comments of The Reporter ©
    Comment: I am so not Frolic Mills. I do admire him. He’s a success story
    My Credentials??? Shouldn’t you be asking Frolic Mills for his and not mine?  I’m just a pundit, and I have expressed opinions about the editorial note appearing in the latest issue of “The Best of SL Magazine.” What credentials should be used to express an opinion? I have to graduate the Academy of Frolic Mills? I have to kiss his ass every day? I need to delete my personality?  Are these the credentials you are looking for?
    Comment: you are entitled to your opinions, whatever they might be. Deleting your personality might help your love life though.
    You asked me if I’ve never been asked to write a book.  That is a credential? Or is it an attempt to try to devalue me because you fear my words?
    Comment: I don’t fear you, or your words. Words are good things. How valuable they are in your case is questionable but I’m glad that AR is available so we can discuss your feelings.
    So, I am required to prove that I am someone, reporters, psychologist or anything else, to express my opinion about an article that appeared in a virtual magazine? So there are certain  constraints, called credentials, required to express opinions.  And you wish to limit my freedom of expression.
    Comment: See comments above
    Perhaps so that other people do not read about or ask questions about Frolic Mills? He can afford to belittle the work of the authors of dictionaries and call it incomplete, but fails to support criticism of himself? If you do not want criticism then stop saying bullshit.  Isn’t it that simple?
    Comment: As far as I can tell Frolic deals with criticism in a very even-handed, and adult, way
    Your goal, Polemikos, perhaps, is this. You have to devalue and insult me in the eyes of the readers, to distract them from the editorial note of frolic mills. You want to make them believe that I did not have sufficient expertise to express an opinion. This is called intolerance and is the weapon used by those who have no basis of argument.
    Comment: You’re attempting to psychoanalyze me. You aren’t qualified to do that. You are welcome to your opinions however. I merely stated my own opinion of your expertise. I am very tolerant btw.
    The group BOSL does not contain all the designers and / or dealers in SL. Most designers and / or dealers in SL have nothing to do with models and agencies.  In fact many times I’ve noticed the profiles of designers who do not want any connection with these circuits. I’m sure, that the “usual suspects”, including models and the harem of designers of Frolic Mills, would be ready to immediately publish a post and come to the rescue of Frolic Mills, who cannot accept the fact that people can think differently from him.
    Comment: The Best of SecondLife name suggests that BOSL is seeking a fraction of what is available out there.. BOSL is not WalMart or Kmart, or Target. I believe, although Frolic might be able to express this better himself, that seeking the Best eliminates a lot from consideration. Designers in SL self-select their place in the SL continuum by the way they create, design, texture and, ultimately, market their work product.
    The models are perhaps the most unique before the academy, but then when they come out, strangely, they seem very similar, especially with respect to designers they wear. It almost seems that during their “study” they are directed, or encouraged, to say the least, to associate with certain designers and photographers, who are strangely well associated with Frolic Mills. Your words are nearly a confirmation of my expressed doubts. The models must sell the products of designers, in other words, they are saleswomen. You and Frolic are saying the same thing, the models have to sell what they wear, then, are saleswomen.
    Comment: I don’t understand what gives you these ideas. They are not directed or encouraged to associate with an designer. There are some designers who support MVWA in various ways, including providing free samples to the attendees. That is called marketing.
    The pattern of Frolic and his followers is always the same. Belittling, insulting, falsely accusing, never to argue in a subsisting.
    Comment: Seems to me you’ve been belittling, insulting, and falsely accusing all the way through your rants. Just my opinion though.
    Maybe if we said that Frolic Mills wants to control, with the tacit neglect of LL, the virtual world of fashion, for his personal profit and megalomania, and it comes to discount the reality in favor of virtuality, defining incomplete definitions of dictionaries is simply absurd.
    Comment: This isn’t even a sentence, so I’m not clear what you’re saying. FAIL
    The evidence to support my argument is the behavior and words of Frolic Mills.
    Comment: Maybe you should start a magazine and publish whatever you like. I think you’d do well at it. Of course it’s hard work and you’d need to hire a staff and buy a dictionary. Maybe not huh?

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  319. What a blast Says:

    March 4, 2012 at 6:52 am

    @THE REPORTER

    Brilliant!

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  320. READ HERE - THE REPORTER © Says:

    March 3, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    @ Just my opinion

    Thank you calling me friend, but for now i do not feel the same feeling for you.

    Your name should suggest a simple truth: you are free to express your opinions, i am free to express my opinions.  Opinions can be positive, negative, neutral, and much more. They are free for everyone. I want to answer your question: I never knew Frolic Mills in person, but I have gathered a bit of information (websites, secondlife). Obviously, he could have said a lot of bullshit, but it is not my problem to verify that. I am just telling my opinion, and I rely on the information I have. Do not forget we’re talking about a person who says he is a businessperson, and SL is the source of RL gain for him, he said many times he works only in SL. His goals are not the L$ but the $ that is born from them. It seems he has created a DBA with the name Frolic Mills, but DBAs are not intended to be anonymous, fictitious business names are simply used for creating operational business names and not intended to hide a persons real identity from those he do business with them.

    It is not a secret that he has tried to create in SL the modeling competition of Donald Trump, the Miss Universe competition. He received a notification by LL, with orders not to use the trademarks of Miss Universe within SL. Then he tried to register the trademark Miss Virtual World, which was rejected with an explanation and notice (they are public records).

    The attorney posted a wikipedia page, for the definition of the word “Virtual World”, and to explaining him:

    “Applicant must disclaim the descriptive wording “VIRTUAL WORLD” apart from the mark as shown.  The wording is merely descriptive as the goods allow for a beauty pageant in a virtual world as opposed to a real world pageant”

    Simply to say… the source used from the lawyer was wikipedia… to explain to him a very common concept… maybe the word “model” is a very common concept too,  is it not?

    I don’t believe that simply because he says he is a businessman that he is entitled to dictate rules and standards for virtual models and, for better or worse, his behavior seems to me a delirium of omnipotence or extreme frustration, call it what you will.

    Dictionaries tend to incorporate new terms and also enrich existing terms, but what I’m saying is that, according to Frolic, he thinks the “modeling world of Second Life” is so important for human existence, that the definition of “model” of “many” dictionaries consulted by him is INCOMPLETE!

    Frolic, with your overarching knowledge and your virtual experience with models, please, save us from our ignorance. Sign in to wikipedia, as a contributor, and edit the page concerning the term “model” then add or complete the definition with the citation “from the second life experience of Frolic Mills”. Maybe you can them ask your supporters to do the same, to sign and add “supported by a virtual friend of Frolic Mills”.

    I just said and I repeat, that most of designers do not want to waste time having problems with models, because their primary purpose is to earn money. I do not believe that a
    designer should be a criminal if he or she wants to make a profit from their creativity. Your question about if the “time of virtual designer is less precious than time of real designers” seems to make no sense In this context. Indeed, I get the impression that YOU think it is possible there exists a gap between real and virtual designers.

    What I believe is wrong, in the words of Frolic and yours, is when you argue that the models  are the ones who “SELL CLOTHES “. I believe that it has become quite common to see designers and owners of agencies in SL that are treating the virtual models as “saleswomen”. In other words, they hire the models that have the most clicks on flickr and blogs. But this commercial view of SL, doesn’t authorize you (Frolic), to say that the term model, in real dictionaries is INCOMPLETE (or incorrect). The model is one who poses for a purpose, that could be commercial but not only commercial and should especially not be described as someone who “sells something”. You cannot define as incomplete the word “model” in the dictionary. And you cannot demand that the dictionary updates the word to support your delirium.

    Maybe the ROLE of virtual model in the virtual world is incomplete, because the primary goal for you and others is financial gain, so models, have the possibility to work, only if they relate with the designers and increase their sales. But it is not a gap or fault in the real life that transitions to SL, it is a limit of the virtual world, which is simply a simulation of the real one. In the real world there are a lot of models without a primary commercial function, and i think that the commercial function is always secondary to the “pose for something” function…
    and we need never consider the word commercial as “selling something” that is the function of sales women not models.

    @ An overall response to the comments of “Frolemikus”

    My Credentials??? Shouldn’t you be asking Frolic Mills for his and not mine?  I’m just a pundit, and I have expressed opinions about the editorial note appearing in the latest issue of “The Best of SL Magazine.” What credentials should be used to express an opinion? I have to graduate the Academy of Frolic Mills? I have to kiss his ass every day? I need to delete my personality?  Are these the credentials you are looking for?

    You asked me if I’ve never been asked to write a book.  That is a credential? Or is it an attempt to try to devalue me because you fear my words?

    So, I am required to prove that I am someone, reporters, psychologist or anything else, to express my opinion about an article that appeared in a virtual magazine? So there are certain  constraints, called credentials, required to express opinions.  And you wish to limit my freedom of expression.

    Perhaps so that other people do not read about or ask questions about Frolic Mills? He can afford to belittle the work of the authors of dictionaries and call it incomplete, but fails to support criticism of himself? If you do not want criticism then stop saying bullshit.  Isn’t it that simple?

    Your goal, Polemikos, perhaps, is this. You have to devalue and insult me in the eyes of the readers, to distract them from the editorial note of frolic mills. You want to make them believe that I did not have sufficient expertise to express an opinion. This is called intolerance and is the weapon used by those who have no basis of argument.

    The group BOSL does not contain all the designers and / or dealers in SL. Most designers and / or dealers in SL have nothing to do with models and agencies.  In fact many times I’ve noticed the profiles of designers who do not want any connection with these circuits. I’m sure, that the “usual suspects”, including models and the harem of designers of Frolic Mills, would be ready to immediately publish a post and come to the rescue of Frolic Mills, who cannot accept the fact that people can think differently from him.

    The models are perhaps the most unique before the academy, but then when they come out, strangely, they seem very similar, especially with respect to designers they wear. It almost seems that during their “study” they are directed, or encouraged, to say the least, to associate with certain designers and photographers, who are strangely well associated with Frolic Mills. Your words are nearly a confirmation of my expressed doubts. The models must sell the products of designers, in other words, they are saleswomen. You and Frolic are saying the same thing, the models have to sell what they wear, then, are saleswomen.

    The pattern of Frolic and his followers is always the same. Belittling, insulting, falsely accusing, never to argue in a subsisting.

    Maybe if we said that Frolic Mills wants to control, with the tacit neglect of LL, the virtual world of fashion, for his personal profit and megalomania, and it comes to discount the reality in favor of virtuality, defining incomplete definitions of dictionaries is simply absurd.

    The evidence to support my argument is the behavior and words of Frolic Mills.

    The Reporter ©

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  321. disgusted Says:

    March 3, 2012 at 9:28 am

    You people are annoying. You’re like those zombies in The Mummy wandering around mumbling, “IMOTEP, IMOTEP”…..”FROLIC, FROLIC.” Anyone who has a differing opinion, doesn’t agree and tow the traditional line, is unsuccessful and suffers from an acute case of “sour grapes.” Could you possibly be more generic? Yay, you win Frolic is the best and he encourages models to be unique. At the end of the day it’s a glorified video game and we don’t have to personally “know” Frolic to figure him out. Like I said, people need to get over their own hype. There are too many overblown egos on here. I suspect one of these people IS Frolic himself. Before any of you tries to convince the rest of us, he’s so above posting here, think again. We know better! Enjoy.

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  322. Polemikos Says:

    March 3, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Reply @ the Reporter with snarky comments for fun
    READ ON

    READ HERE

    In a virtual magazine, “The Best of SL Magazine”, an editorial note has been published,  ”modeling the right way” by the editor, Frolic Mills, which I think shows a fundamental lack of modeling foundation.

    Comment:Perhaps you should share YOUR credentials to even comment they are notably absent from your blathering

    Frolic Mills stated he has received proposals to write a book about “modeling”. I think he may be referring to real “modeling”, in the which I don’t think he has any particular expertise. Of course, in order to learn a trade, nobody can say that books aren’t necessary, at least to learn  the so-called theory. However experience is necessary to produce those books and from his own words he demonstrates that the virtual models are not like real models, therefore he has virtual experience with virtual models. Certainly this is not the kind  of experience one would expect is necessary to write a book about “modeling”
    Comment: You say you “don’t think” I agree 100% with that. Have you gotten many requests to write a book about anything?

    His presumption is not limited simply to a “claim to know” where he has no actual experience, but from reading newspapers and books on fashion and virtual experiences (simulated and clearly and not on equal footing with reality), Frolic Mills believes there are incomplete definitions with several online dictionaries concerning the word “model” for which he would probably like a change (though I doubt they would comply).
    Such arrogance is summarily offensive against those who for years have worked to structure dictionaries and sources of true knowledge. If, living in your virtual world, you begin to believe that these things are real and others must adapt reality to this sub-simulation, you’ve reached the level of total delirium.

    Comment: I see that you’re a Psychologist in addition to being a journalist. Good combination if only it were true. So far I see no evidence to support that in what you’ve written.

    Virtual modeling is supposed to simulate the real one inside of a three-dimensional environment. The actual models are represented by avatars with animated movement and poses.

    Comment: This is true. Pretty redundant tho most people in SL know it’s a “three-dimensional” environment. I note this to highlight how pedantic you are.

    Most of the virtual world designers do not care how virtual models combine their products into an outfit, quite simply because they do not want any problems or loss of time since their primary goal is to make money selling 3D products. The few designers who do spend their time with models, are those who earn less and are interested in satisfying their personal egos in order to feel wanted inside the virtual community.

    Comment: How do you know what “most virtual world designers” care, or do not care, about or what their primary goals are? Which ones did you interview to garner this opinion? Feel free to publish those interviews. We’re curious

    The standards you created are only yours.  Then you created the Academy for models, who pay to follow your courses. The models now believe in these standards and is, perhaps, why they are all clones of one another.

    Comment: More blathering. Blady blah bahhhhhhhh blah Miss Virtual World Academy models are encouraged to be UNIQUE and to find their own styling niches. If you’d attended you’d know this

    You yourself say that the models have only a few seconds on the catwalk to show and sell what they are wearing … yep … because the models for virtual Frolic Mills are simply salespeople!

    Comment: Duh! The models are not working for Frolic Mills, they’re working for, and selling for, the designers whose creations they wear so proudly and who pay them to do it. Selling is where RL and SL coincide 100%. Do you have a problem with that idea?

    The Reporter ©

    Polemikos the Polemicist ©

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  323. Just my opinion Says:

    March 3, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Just one question to both of you: – Do you people actually know Frolic Mills in real life? I certainly don’t, but from your comments I am guessing you do.

    How do you know what credential he has?

    I have no clue, but I have heard him in his tv fashion shows and what he says makes sense at least to me. So you are not a fan? Big deal! Many have benefited from this – What is wrong with that?

    To Disgusted: Mix and Match is not assigned by Frolic Mills to “create” weird looks, it is there so that models start thinking outside the box. I am guessing from your words that you have taken his classes, well so have I. He praises an interesting new look just the same as he does an understated one gown elegant look.

    The rest I won’t even comment on because it just sounds like you have some sour grapes about Frolic and his academy. Say what you want, but it is the most successful modeling academy in Second Life, and I don’t think that many people are wrong. They learn, they grow and they make a happy living as a model.

    Now over to Reporter:

    “Such arrogance is summarily offensive against those who for years have worked to structure dictionaries and sources of true knowledge. ”

    Answer: Dictionaries are ALWAYS updating their definitions because they are indeed outdated, obsolete or incomplete.

    ___________________

    “Most of the virtual world designers do not care how virtual models combine their products into an outfit, quite simply because they do not want any problems or loss of time since their primary goal is to make money selling 3D products.”

    Answer: Do you think virtual designer’s time is more valuable than real life designer’s time? Real Life designers take hours to define the complete look, because they think it is important.

    ___________________

    “You yourself say that the models have only a few seconds on the catwalk to show and sell what they are wearing … yep … because the models for virtual Frolic Mills are simply salespeople!”

    Answer: So is every model in the real world my friend!

    A model who doesn’t sell clothes, is not a model.

    Get some sleep people 🙂

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  324. disgusted Says:

    March 2, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    To “Just my opinion” just because we don’t go around singing Frolics praises, making pointed criticism and not licking his boots, doesn’t make us obsessed or psychotic. Actually, you’re tired devotion to some sassy egomaniac sitting at his computer all day, begs the question, how sane are you? I personally could care less who did or did not get voted for and or received his stamp of approval. People are just sick of his crap! You don’t have to be a pulitzer prize winning writer to communicate that. “Read Here” is absolutely correct and Frolic IS getting on nearly everyone’s last nerve. His whole SL modeling philosophy is questionable. He shows up to the final of his “academy” and goes on and on about RL modeling, meanwhile, as an avid fashionista and fashion follower, I rarely to never see all this “mix and match” he’s got going on. Models, celebrities and notable icons wear ONE designer and style it. He’s got SL models showing up all over the grid looking like big hot messes in mis-matched clothing, uncomplimentary colors and looking practically ghost-like. It’s like Charlie in the Chocolate Factory got a hold of SL modeling. What a joke! This is the so called authority of modeling in SL? This guy thinks anyone in RL modeling is even remotely interested in his opinion on “How to Model?” Who in their right mind would ever buy a book he wrote? And his credentials are? He’s just some random dude who has escaped the real world and because he’s saucy and sarcastic people have put him on some virtual pedestal. It’s actually really sad.

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  325. READ HERE * The Reporter Says:

    March 2, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    READ HERE

    In a virtual magazine, “The Best of SL Magazine”, an editorial note has been published,  “modeling the right way” by the editor, Frolic Mills, which I think shows a fundamental lack of modeling foundation.

    Frolic Mills stated he has received proposals to write a book about “modeling”. I think he may be referring to real “modeling”, in the which I don’t think he has any particular expertise. Of course, in order to learn a trade, nobody can say that books aren’t necessary, at least to learn  the so-called theory. However experience is necessary to produce those books and from his own words he demonstrates that the virtual models are not like real models, therefore he has virtual experience with virtual models. Certainly this is not the kind  of experience one would expect is necessary to write a book about “modeling”.

    His presumption is not limited simply to a “claim to know” where he has no actual experience, but from reading newspapers and books on fashion and virtual experiences (simulated and clearly and not on equal footing with reality), Frolic Mills believes there are incomplete definitions with several online dictionaries concerning the word “model” for which he would probably like a change (though I doubt they would comply).

    Such arrogance is summarily offensive against those who for years have worked to structure dictionaries and sources of true knowledge. If, living in your
    virtual world, you begin to believe that these things are real and others must adapt reality to this sub-simulation, you’ve reached the level of total delirium.

    Virtual modeling is supposed to simulate the real one inside of a three-dimensional environment. The actual models are represented by
    avatars with animated movement and poses.

    Most of the virtual world designers do not care how virtual models combine their products into an outfit, quite simply because they do not want any problems or loss of time since their primary goal is to make money selling 3D products. The few designers who do spend their time with models, are those who earn less and are interested in satisfying their personal egos in order to feel wanted inside the virtual community.

    The standards you created are only yours.  Then you created the Academy for models, who pay to follow your courses. The models now believe in these standards and is, perhaps, why they are all clones of one another.

    You yourself say that the models have only a few seconds on the catwalk to show and sell what they are wearing … yep … because the models for virtual Frolic Mills are simply salespeople!

    The Reporter ©

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  326. Polemikos Says:

    March 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    LMAO

    I had a blast when I read all the comments people made chosing their own Top 3 Top Models, suggested in his blog by none other than “THE” drama queen in SL – Frolic Mills.

    Comment: Glad you had a blast SL is all about having fun.

    Why even suggest such a topic? Who the heck cares who are the top 3 Top Models in SL?

    Comment: Lots of people cared enough to name personal favorites. They had some fun with it too.

    Yea, yea, I know – here come all the comments – hey if you don’t like it , why did you read it? Obvious! How could I say something if I hadn’t read it?

    Comment: You’re having even more fun with it now mouthing off.
    People naming as Top Models avatars like Ponchituti Boucher, Shena Neox, Shantal Gravois, Falbala Fairey, Rusalka Callisto. What? Top Models? Where? LMAO

    Comment: I suppose this would be your way of disrespecting these people. You are such a charmer.

    Can’t stop laughing really LMAO, it’s so hilarious! I named just a few suggested Top Models, anyways, who are they? What are they good at?

    Comment: You’re still having fun mouthing off. Are we supposed to take you seriously?

    Mimmi Boa, I can understand – she’s famous, not necessarily a top model. Terrible photographer, it’s really a pain to see her Flickr page.

    Comment: Does this statement mean you consider Mimmi one of SL’s top models of all-time? I’ll take that as a yes.

    Anna Saphire is in fact an amazing model. I give her that. Great stylist, too, she puts quality in everything she does.

    Comment: Now you’ve chosen Anna Sapphire as your second pick. A great choice also.

    Miaa Rebane isn’t on the runways much, she took a turn and became a really good stylist and blogger. No wonder she is now more connected with the best SL Model Agency (you figure out which one I’m talking about).

    Comment: Your third pick is also notable, mostly for her recent participation in AVENUE’s (yeah,that other agency, we got your veiled reference) virtually, obscene Alure PR fiasco. That got talked about by lots of people but not in a good way. She was a decent Miss Virtual World and her blog is worth a look now and again. Her photographic and styling skills are far better then average.

    Kay Fairey is a hard working person. She does everything, helps whenever she can. That’s why people name her as a Top Model, cause Kay is really a beautiful human being. Bust, just like Mimmi she is famous, not necessarily a Top Model.

    Comment: Another stellar choice. Did you forget you only got to choose 3? Kay is simply one of those people who “pays it forward” without any hope of personal gain. She runs Miss Virtual World Academy, regarded by most as the best place to polish your modeling skills in SL. Her recently announced “A Star Is Born” group will do more for young models then ANY for profit school except the one she runs already to get them up to speed. With Wicca Merlin and BlackBarbie Bravin backing her up it can’t miss.

    There are so many hard working models in SL, that it’s ridiculous to ask for a top 3. If this doesn’t call for a catfight I don’t know what would LMAO.

    Comment: This BOSL poll, obviously, inspired you to sit at your keyboard and spew forth some opinons on your own favorites, despite your LMAO at the concept. Seems like you’re talking out both sides of your mouth here. Kinda like you were saying, “I don’t like this but I’d pick Mimmi Boa, Anna Sapphire, Miaa Rebane and Kay Fairey.” Right. I get it.

    And thanks to AR, I don’t have to comment on BOSL blog. I read it once, had a blast, exit and move on with my life.

    Comment: Feel free to comment and share more of your opinions here at A. R.any time.

    Yea, I’m also expecting that old comment “get a life” LMAO. I got two.

    Comment: You laugh a lot. Do you find yourself that amusing? You’re not really very funny or even that good a writer.

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  327. Just my opinion Says:

    March 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    You guys are so obsessed with everything Frolic does it raves on psychotic.

    Lists and polls in real life about top models, actors, best cars, most beautiful people, richest people. etc have existed for eons.

    If you are hurt because your friends didin’t vote for you, then you should get different friends, but I don’t see any problem with the poll at all. In fact. I thought it was rather interesting to see what others think for a change.

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  328. disgusted Says:

    March 2, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    I can’t agree more “What a blast,” this was a despicable and terrible thing to do for SL modeling. There are so many models and participants in this online gaming industry. Each with their own strengths and weaknesses. It can be very competitive and prior to this, there was a surge towards a friendlier, kinder modeling environment. People were really fed up with the drama. I’m disgusted with Frolic and his antics. He’s NOT the final authority on this stuff and his hype is annoying. I’ve noticed many good models are bypassing him and his organizations entirely. Hopefully newer designers will work outside of his silly crazy world and the modeling industry in SL as a whole can be free of his tyranny. It’s shameful what he did with this Top 3 thing…shameful!!!

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  329. What a blast Says:

    March 2, 2012 at 9:43 am

    LMAO
    I had a blast when I read all the comments people made chosing their own Top 3 Top Models, suggested in his blog by none other than “THE” drama queen in SL – Frolic Mills.

    Why even suggest such a topic? Who the heck cares who are the top 3 Top Models in SL?

    Yea, yea, I know – here come all the comments – hey if you don’t like it , why did you read it? Obvious! How could I say something if I hadn’t read it?

    People naming as Top Models avatars like Ponchituti Boucher, Shena Neox, Shantal Gravois, Falbala Fairey, Rusalka Callisto. What? Top Models? Where? LMAO

    Can’t stop laughing really LMAO, it’s so hilarious! I named just a few suggested Top Models, anyways, who are they? What are they good at?

    Mimmi Boa, I can understand – she’s famous, not necessarily a top model. Terrible photographer, it’s really a pain to see her Flickr page.

    Anna Saphire is in fact an amazing model. I give her that. Great stylist, too, she puts quality in everything she does.

    Miaa Rebane isn’t on the runways much, she took a turn and became a really good stylist and blogger. No wonder she is now more connected with the best SL Model Agency (you figure out which one I’m talking about).

    Kay Fairey is a hard working person. She does everything, helps whenever she can. That’s why people name her as a Top Model, cause Kay is really a beautiful human being. Bust, just like MImmi she is famous, not necessarily a Top Model.

    There are so many hard working models in SL, that it’s ridiculous to ask for a top 3. If this doesn’t call for a catfight I don’t know what would LMAO.

    And thanks to AR, I don’t have to comment on BOSL blog. I read it once, had a blast, exit and move on with my life.
    Yea, I’m also expecting that old comment “get a life” LMAO. I got two.

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  330. Debbiedoo Says:

    January 6, 2012 at 3:25 am

    The point about being anonmous even if I cant spell it, is that its true we all use names that arent ours in rl, so I think Anonymous because I can be!!!! made her point really well. We are all anonymous!

    Cade I also agree with you about people being nasty, as I have been subjected to that myself. However when someone is upset with the way they see things then venting is the point of this forum, and they have every right to make their point. If they are directing their named vents at other people who have written in the forum then thats fine, as you can respond. The thing that annoys me is picking on non sim owners by inworld name who dont contribute, thats just plain nasty, even if what they say is true.

    As for people coming to your IM, maybe they dont for the simple reason that SL time is meant to be fun and not drama filled having a never ending argument in IM. Also some models may not wish to make their feelings known because doing that will make their SL modelling time difficult. There is an aweful lot of favouratism in SL modelling, just like in RL, so its not a case of being brave etc and coming to your IM. Thats why they come here.

    People have ranted at me in here, and whilst I disagree with what they say and am terribly curious as to who they are and will have digs at them not using inworld names, its a free world and maybe if inworld I am friends with them, not knowing how they rant in here is not a bad thing. The reality is if someone IMd me it would stay in my IM, but they only have my word for that, its also something I would not like, I come to SL as I love it too, and dont wish to be involved in some rant inworld, I come here for that, I say my bit then get on with my life, no drama.

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  331. Really? Says:

    January 4, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Dear Free:

    The quote about Germans bombing Pearl Harbor was from the movie “Animal House”

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes

    Bluto: Hey! What’s all this laying around stuff? Why are you all still laying around here for?
    Stork: What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron? We’re all expelled. There’s nothing to fight for anymore.
    D-Day: [to Bluto] Let it go. War’s over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
    Bluto: What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
    Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
    Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
    Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…

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  332. Anonymous because I can be!!!! Says:

    January 4, 2012 at 9:57 am

    To the people who come on here and call people out others for using “Anonymous”……Let’s be honest, for the most part everyone and everything associated with SL is “anonymous.” Really? Some of you are going to get all hot under the collar because people aren’t using their avi name? Get a grip! I don’t know Cade, but I thought it was funny his little rant about how childish and petty the posts here are. Wait, what did he call it, “petty childish bull crap?” Whatever. Granted there are always going to be people who suffer from an acute case of “sour grapes.” That said, people find a blog like this therapeutic. It’s a stress reliever, to be able to come here and speak one’s mind and get annoying issues off their chest. A lot of nonsense, favoritism and “bull crap” goes on in SL modeling. Unless, you’re at the very tippy top of the pyramid (a handful of computer geeks addicted to SL) in the SL modeling industry or one of Frolic’s Flavors of the Month, you’re getting basically screwed on a regular basis. People find that super frustrating and come here to vent. So, if you’re one of those lucky folks at the tippy top why do you even condescend to post here at all? Move on, it’s a GAME after all!!!

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  333. @TheBestSpyOfSL@myself.spy.com Says:

    January 4, 2012 at 3:28 am

    Shame, shame, shame
    and one in particular has gone from the best to the beasts
    now expect that the bomb will explode in all its roaring
    This behavior is not worthy of a circle of professionals, but of a stye

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  334. Cade Nansen Says:

    January 4, 2012 at 12:26 am

    I’m not here to take up for anyone or to reply to the comments made about me either but by coming on Agency Report and posting harsh things about others under the name “Anonymous” is rediculous and shows the lack of backbone you have…who ever all YOU “anonymous” people are. This is petty childish bull crap that goes on here.

    If you are going to talk about others and the things that they do, then stop being a coward by hiding behind the name “anonymous”.

    Grow up all you “anonymous” people. This isn’t pre-school… we are not 5 years old.

    …..Now when the no name coward that decided to say something about me grows a pair of balls… my IM box is opened to you 24/7. Say it to my face as well as all the other people that have been talked about here.

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  335. Anonymous Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    By saying that we don’t know what you do haven’t you defined yourself as a failure of a marketing manager/PR by that statement alone? You sat back and watched Gizza become hated and haven’t done a thing to re establish Gizza as a brand. Too busy covering yourself? You should have been at the forefront of that fight. This is what you are hired to do.

    And I DO know you are a terrible model, I was in the audience of the winter fashion week show and have had the misfortune of being backstage with you once also. You cant pose or style.

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  336. anonymous Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Bluto: [after chugging a whole bottle of Jack without a pause for air] Thanks. I needed that.

    incredible

    astounding

    I’m laughing too hard to type here

    That Pearl Harbor quote below is a Bluto (John Belushi that is) line from the movie Animal House

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  337. Mrs Goebels Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Although we like to take ze credit….

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  338. Mrs Goebels Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

    Actually it was the Japanese…

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  339. Free Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    The Germans bombed Pearly Harbour? Wow – when did that happen? was it after or before the Japanese did? lolol

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  340. anonymous Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    We don’t wanna be told to STFU by likes of you Tyler

    Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

    If you knew anything about PR/marketing you wouldn’t be in here yapping like the chihuahua wannabe that you are. Marketing skills???? What marketing skills are you talking about? If you disappeared from Gizza no one would notice. You are not the driving force

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  341. Tyler Barineaux Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    It has nothing to do with my Marketing Skills, it’s just that it IS over, you haven’t heard anything from either side. So leave it alone, butt out, it’s none of your business and has nothing to do with you. You don’t know what I do, so don’t assume how well I do my job.

    Thanks.

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  342. TheBestSpyOfSL@myself.spy.com Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    They think it’s all over. They say “Happy Christmas, Happy New Year”. They tend to hide themselves behind charities and smiles.

    They will pay the penalty.
    Owners of agencies, designers and models.
    Wait and see.

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  343. Anonymous Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 2:10 am

    THAT’S the extent of your marketing skills, Tyler? “It’s the new year, sure this happened a few days ago but hey lets hope this attempt at whitewash works because I have nothing else…” No sorry. You are a terrible model and an even worse P.R.

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  344. Tyler Barineaux Says:

    January 3, 2012 at 1:11 am

    @ A Simple SL Model

    That is all over with, resolved, done, finished, fin…. no need to bring it up. It’s the New Year, let’s leave those things behind us and start fresh 😉

    Tyler Barineaux
    GizzA Creations | Marketing Manager

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  345. SpyLaw Says:

    January 2, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Drama? She is a tortfeasor and deserves to be sued.

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  346. a more simple SL model Says:

    January 2, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Way to bring up that buried drama….

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  347. A simple SL model Says:

    January 2, 2012 at 5:14 am

    There is something that needs to be said about all the Gizza drama stuff. Gizza didn’t only accuse Vero Modero, Giz also accused the designer from Amarelo Manga of copying her stuff. So, it’s like everybody seems to be copying from Giz.

    This is childish, to say the least! Giz is everywhere around the grid, her brand, her stuff. But but, when designers use full perms templates to do their clothes, obviously somewhere, someone will be buying the same templates and texture them differently. Is this copy? Is this a matter of who released the item first? No, it isn’t. This isn’t copying. There are no grounds for any kind of legal charge against this.

    The saddest thing about all this is that Giz’s items are high quality designs. She really doesn’t need to be doing this sick campaign against every designer out there.

    I’m a model in SL and I can tell you for sure, I’ll never wear Gizza’s items. Never did, never will, just because I’m taking this seriously. Someone who acts like Giz Seorn – whoever she is – doesn’t deserve me spending one penny in her outfits. Everybody is free to do so, I simply do not agree nor comply with her attitudes. Period!

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  348. Anonymous Says:

    January 2, 2012 at 1:30 am

    Cade Nansen is, in my opinion, one of the most overrated photographers in second life. I do not know for the life of me how he could gain so many views and comments and likes on photos that he has done. It really blows my mind that people really think that his photos are worth the loves and admiration that it has received. Im sure there are far better photographers in second life that can produce better photos and not gain half the recognition that he somehow as gained.

    Also…

    Can we ask just talking about his over inflated lips? He looks like he just came from the “dentist” with those things. I do not know how anyone could think that those lips are beautiful or perfect in any form. To me, he looks like a clown. Yes, people may enjoy clowns because they make us laugh. Yet, once they remove the make up and step out of the limelight, they are just like anyone else. I believe Cade Nansen fits that example like a glove. Once he is out of the limelight…or shadow of some people. There isn’t anything special about him.

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  349. Anonymous Says:

    January 2, 2012 at 1:26 am

    Happy New Years Everyone!

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  350. drama queen anyone¡ Says:

    December 16, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Heroes?

    I actually think Edi and Rico are two of the worst drama queens on the grid!

    If you don’t agree with someone’s view, move on and do business with someone else. Bashing them publicly is not acceptable and has zero hero quality in any book.

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  351. Draakje Dailey Says:

    December 16, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Is it necessary to keep posting the same post days in a row? As Tyler said, lets move on, show is over.

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  352. Rico and Edi for presidents! Says:

    December 16, 2011 at 4:52 am

    It is tragic see how Frolic now try look good after Rico & Edi spoke against the sick campain that Gizza been doing to Vero Modero. Never forget that he said Giz is one of the ten best people in fashion in latest BOSL magazine. He even change clothing at a show when Giz told him to change as he had Vero Modero clothing. Frolic took part in condemn people that worked with Vero Modero lots of time making different decision picking people for this and that. Just becaus he wanted to play safe as he know that putting his money on wrong horse cost him lindens. The only thing that matter to Frolic.

    Two of Frolic best friends now took a brave stand against other coward people in the “fashion elite”. This is the final proof of that the emperor Frolic has no clothes on. Shame on you and shame on other “in” models spending time on kissing up and kicking down. This story put a sad lights over the Miss Virtual World contest and most of the contestant in it. For me Rico and Edi are the new emperors and i wish they go on from here and start up an alternativ for them who want fair play!

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  353. Tyler Barineaux Says:

    December 16, 2011 at 1:26 am

    This whole thing over with the designers and Fashionteller is over, let’s let things settle down shall we ? 😉

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  354. FLABBERGASTED Says:

    December 15, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Wow, It’s really sad to see people turn their backs, so quick, to a company that they have loved for months now. This just goes to show the real people from the fake people and who you can really trust.

    I am ashamed of most of you from siding with the “IN” group of people who seem to have some kind of vendetta against an innocent designers who might have a feud with another designer who is accursed of copying clothing and other unknown facts. Yes, that is the key phrase, “unknown facts”. If you don’t not know the WHOLE story, i would just think it would be a good idea to keep your mouths shut.

    Lies have been spread and people have been misinformed. Until you know 100% of the facts in this matter, or really any other matters.

    KEEP OUT OF PEOPLES BUSINESS.

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  355. Edi and Rico are Heroes! Says:

    December 15, 2011 at 7:03 am

    It is tragic see how Frolic now try look good after Rico & Edi spoke against the sick campain that Gizza been doing to Vero Modero. Never forget that he said Giz is one of the ten best people in fashion in latest BOSL magazine. He even change clothing at a show when Giz told him to change as he had Vero Modero clothing. Frolic took part in condemn people that worked with Vero Modero lots of time making different decision picking people for this and that. Just becaus he wanted to play safe as he know that putting his money on wrong horse cost him lindens. The only thing that matter to Frolic.

    Two of Frolic best friends now took a brave stand against other coward people in the “fashion elite”. This is the final proof of that the emperor Frolic has no clothes on. Shame on you and shame on other “in” models spending time on kissing up and kicking down. This story put a sad lights over the Miss Virtual World contest and most of the contestant in it. For me Rico and Edi are the new emperors and i wish they go on from here and start up an alternativ for them who want fair play!

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  356. chalice carling Says:

    October 19, 2011 at 3:33 am

    @ bosl’s biggest fan.

    Shhhhhhhh.

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  357. @bosls biggest fan >x Says:

    October 18, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    everyone knows that chalice eats the breakfast whenever her head is far up in it. chalice darling, is it always delicious?

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  358. chalice carling Says:

    October 18, 2011 at 8:40 am

    “you should know chalice your heads so far up it you can see his breakfast”

    No the only arsehole in here is you tootz.

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  359. bosls biggest fan >x Says:

    October 16, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    you should know chalice your heads so far up it you can see his breakfast

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  360. chalice carling Says:

    October 6, 2011 at 5:06 am

    @ Fro’s pic. Ooooo two full moons.

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  361. nice ass! Says:

    October 3, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Frolic´s ass is beautiful, not fat at all!

    Take a peek: http://www.flickr.com/photos/enzochampagne/6199432496/in/photostream

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  362. Polemikos Says:

    October 3, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Smock smockkkkkkkkkkkk. All hail the Fashion Crow who is protecting us all from evil.

    Or did I miss the point of those 5 ILLUMINATING posts?

    Pol

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  363. The Fashion Crow Says:

    October 2, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    hmmm, well i guess that wasn’t being filtered. Still a good summary if i do say so myself…

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  364. The Fashion Crow Says:

    October 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Frolic is nothing but a fat ass of an individual. self-serving and using the lot of you.

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  365. The Fashion Crow Says:

    October 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    LOL, I tried once again to submit my post right before this one. Guess what!!!!

    You all are being controlled in a big way.

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  366. The Fashion Crow Says:

    October 2, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    lol, I had several posts before that were all filtered out but that wordpress already knew were on the website. This place is a joke. You filter out the opinions that you don’t want represented or that you cannot easily debate against. Perhaps filtering comments against certain individuals.

    What are you afraid of? The truth?

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  367. The Fashion Crow Says:

    October 2, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Not only are they looking at your IP address but they are also blocking certain posts against certain people and allowing you to see only what they will allow you to see here. This is not a free site where you can post your opinion.

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  368. Very true Says:

    September 28, 2011 at 11:36 am

    heheh 🙂

    Opinions, opinions…

    Opinions without facts are like empty salt shakers. They may look nice, but are absolutely worthless.

    That’s all!

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  369. @everybody Says:

    September 28, 2011 at 3:34 am

    I knew it! After ending with all arguments that are frequent when somebody doesn’t agree with something, here comes the last resort – install fear by threatening with a lawsuit. So predictable!

    “1: You demand arguments, but you don’t seem to provide any for your accusations nor opinions. ”

    I could provide evidence (and I should) if I had EVER said that this contes was rigged. Read back and you’ll see. I NEVER said that.
    An opinion is just that – an opinion – and everyone is free to have their own. Why can’t you BOSL people deal with it?

    Did I say this was unfair? Yes I did. So are all pageants – SL or RL – precisely because everyone has a different opinion! And people really are entitled to their own opinion, without providing any evidence or proof.

    Read back again and show me where I said anything – and I mean ANYTHING bad about Azul’s designer? Just copy and paste. Read back.

    You know? Things about lawsuits is that they must be very well structured. A lawsuit based on an opinion, on a public forum about a pageant, has no grounds whatsoever to succeed.
    Especially if you’re not well documented. You didn’t read my comments fully.

    How would our lives be without freedom of speech? Without everybody’s right to state their opinions freely?

    Install fear won’t shut me up! Remember that. Read my comments and see what I say and who I mention.

    That’s exactly how lawsuits are lost. An opinion is an opinion. An accusation is different. Read back and see if I EVER accused this contest of being rigged or said anything bad about Mami.

    Have fun, people! 😉

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  370. We are equals Says:

    September 27, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    yep I agree with not liking the nasty stuff
    I think people do get worked up, as they do put alot of effort into competitions and can sometimes say things that maybe they dont mean, but in the heat of the moment out it comes.
    Unfortunately when they type it, then its here for stay.
    I dont like it when judges are criticised or someone is accused of breaking the rules, when it is extemely unlikely that they did
    I dont know the judges or organisers but from what I read they are lovely people, and I think sometimes the lovelier you are then you are going to be blamed for all sorts of things as people will look to you as a friend, and when you vote in a way they dont like they will take it out on you. If you were cold and distant they wouldnt, but thats human nature
    The nasty stuff though is uncalled for, and if people have time to reflect and then offer some form of reconcilitiation without apologising, then thats always a nice outcome. I do hope it happens here

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  371. Very true Says:

    September 27, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    I agree, people need to take things a bit less seriously in this game, but slandering publically to question someone’s morals or ethics without any proof is indeed a punishable act, even if its over 1 linden.

    I am ok with people not agreeing with the outcome of any competition. This happens all the time in rl and sl, but to come out publically and say it was a scam, or question judge´s ethics without any proof is indeed a crime.

    I suppose hiding behind an anonymous poster opens up the door to this irresponsible behaviour.

    But never forget … What goes around, comes around. When one day you get all kinds of unfair accusations from others, by all means remember the false accusations you made here.

    Karma is a bitch!

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  372. We are equals Says:

    September 27, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Correct me if I am wrong, but if we all pay $20 to belong to Second Life that makes us equals.
    It doesnt matter if its modelling or building cheerleading or anything really, everyone is the same.
    People arent idiots if they have an opinion that is different, and as for the comment if this was rl there would be a lawsuit…well I dont think so. In rl most supermodels are under fed and overpaid and very odd people indeed.
    I dont think I ever saw an avi eating or getting paid millions so its not the same thing. I also think any lawyer would laugh if someone wanted them to act just because omg they are accused by someone of cheating as a judge in a competition where the prize was maybe $100 and a picture of their avi.
    So maybe a little dose of reality is needed.
    I very much doubt if the judges did cheat, why would they? They might make decisions that you dont agree with, and indeed maybe wrong, but you try judging its not easy.

    Sometimes there maybe an element of favouratism, thats human nature

    Does it really matter if someone comes first or tenth? If it matters that much then maybe people are taking things a little too seriously.

    However if it wasnt for the business owners none of this would take place so credit to them, as whoever they are, they will be accused of cheating corruption all sorts of things, when the reality is they bring much fun to us all, and so what if they make a little cash doing it, they will not get rich, and will get tons of negativity coming their way.

    Just enjoy what second life has to offer, and as for the supermodel tag..hmmmm no such thing in SL, its just an avi who has nice skin and nice styling and can hit the pose button well, and hell the person behind the avi maybe a overweight 60 year old,,,,and you know what…thats fantastic…but I would imagine they would cringe if they were called a supermodel.

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  373. Really? Says:

    September 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    I have to agree with ‘I Hope you know’ about Mami Jewell. Ms. Jewell is one of the classiest people anyone could ever meet or work with in Second Life. As someone who has modelled for Azul, working with her is a real pleasure. I like modeling in SL but I’m not any supermodel name but she treated me as equals to those who have a big name in the industry – with class and respect. She never made me or anyone with a lesser name or experience feel any less important than others who worked in her show.

    I think it gets down to this – for those of us who have had the honor of working with Ms. Jewell it has been one we won’t forget. And for us, to see someone slander her event and her reputation, well we will defend her.

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  374. I hope you know... Says:

    September 27, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Dear @ @everyone:

    1: You demand arguments, but you don’t seem to provide any for your accusations nor opinions.

    2. Accusing Frolic’s pageant of not being transparent or clean without providing any proof is actually a punishable crime. – Where are your arguments? – Did you talk to the judges? – Did you see the score cards? – Did you talk to Mami Jewell? (give us proof!)

    3. Miss Azul is not Frolic’s pageant. It belongs To Mami Jewell – whom I do have proof is a woman of integrity and who won’t, unlike yourself, come here to accuse anyone of anything without proof.

    4. Idiot is defined as a uneducated or ignorant person.

    5. You are indeed a criminal idiot. – Deal with it! – in RL you would have a lawsuit on your hands!

    6. Have fun 🙂

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  375. *Shakes her head* Says:

    September 26, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Ponchituti is her name.. Do you want me to spell it again?

    P – O – N – C – H -I – T- U – T – I

    Geez, show some respect!

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  376. @everybody Says:

    September 26, 2011 at 3:42 am

    LMAO, like I said before, when people are out of arguments, they tell you to get a life . Good! I have two 😉

    And calling me an idiot? I feel so insulted LMAO
    This is exactly what I mean. No arguments, so, let’s call people some names. Good! It only speaks for yourself, not me 😉

    SL – stupid game? Why bother even reading Agency Report – a website clearly about SL activities?

    And finally, the Pontichuchochuchi lady won Miss Azul. Good!
    I don’t agree, it’s my own and sovereign opinion and I’m entitled to it.

    Plus, I believe that all kinds of contests promoted by Frolic Mills and BOSL are not transparent and clear. It’s my opinion!

    Deal with it! And most of all, have fun, guys!

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  377. Get A Life! Says:

    September 25, 2011 at 7:57 am

    @ Acually, right? All this rage and hostility over a glorified video game. It’s sick and twisted. There are so many real life problems out there that demand our attention and these people here, fussing over a game. How pathetic.

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  378. Actually Says:

    September 25, 2011 at 5:29 am

    My my, what bitterness. Why do we have to call someone an idiot? How pitiful, what a bitter personality, such a display of rage. And it is just a virtual world :). Kisses

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  379. @ @Everybody Says:

    September 25, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Dear @Everybody:

    I’ve taken your own words to deliver a message:

    Ponchituti Boucher won Miss Azul – deal with it!

    You lost – deal with it

    You are an idiot – deal with it!

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  380. Get A Life! Says:

    September 24, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    It’s astonishing to see so many PEOPLE blur the line between reality and this stupid GAME!!!

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  381. @everybody Says:

    September 24, 2011 at 3:45 am

    Weird! I thought that Agency Report is a website where we can express ourselves, give our opinions, debate and discuss. Anonymously , if we so wish. Again, it’s a matter of common sense; why should anyone send notices about this inworld? That’s why Agency Report exists, right? If you don’t like it, don’t read it.

    When some people are out or arguments, there is a couple of things that became quite common here, like you just did. To start with, we can write anonymously – deal with it!

    Then, the “get a life” thing. Actually, I have two – deal with it!

    We all have freedom of speech. Don’t make it personal on me, because I’m not making this personal on you – unless you are Frolic.
    If you are one of his friends – deal with it!

    Take an opinion as it is.

    And I really have to thank you for briging more light to this issue. You obviously are a close person to the contest we’re talking about to know that the judges score the contestants, which is how it’s usually done in most beauty pageants in SL. It’s ok, no problem there.

    Good to know also that the winner didn’t make it to MVW, well not because she’s Frolic sister, but because she works at one of BOSL organizations. (By the way, where is Shae lately? You mentioned her, not me!)

    One more touch; I never said Frolic pays anyone to vote or score, did I? 😉
    And yes, I do think you are one of Frolic’s kiss ass. 😉 It’s my opinion.

    Deal with it!
    Don’t read Agency Report, send out a notice inworld about this, identify yourself, basically, do every little thing you told us here to do.
    Easier said than done, right?

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  382. *Shakes her head* Says:

    September 23, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Very well said FYI! You totally make sense here and thats the reality! I hope this will close the discussion *shakes her head

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  383. FYI Says:

    September 23, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Just FYI, Ponchi is NOT MVW Finalist. The reason is simple. She is MVW Academy Executive and she was automatically disqualified. Annough lykin who is the first runnner up for Miss Azul took the place as MVW Finalist.

    So there you go, sorry to burst that bubble for you.

    Besides, if no judge who knows a contestant can’t be a judge, then sorry to say, but there wouldn’t be any contests or pageants in SL.

    If you think that just because your friend is in the contest and a judge can not be constructive and put the personal relationship aside, then you are wrong. Usually, when you have someone you know in the contest you are judging, the judge tends to be so much more strict about the friend, because of this reason.

    FYI, MVW 2011, Frolic’s very close friend, Shae Sixpence, was a finalist, but she didn’t make top 12.

    Again, Frolic Mills were not the only judge. There were others. One judge’s score won’t make one person (his friend) win. It is mathematically impossible.

    Oh, but I know, you will say Frolic paid all the other judges to vote for his friend, right? No matter what, common sense will lose to crazy ideas.

    Please give your opinion when you have experience judging a major contest or pageant. Then you can share your real experience with us how unethical it is.

    But I guess that comment makes me an ass kisser of Frolic Mills right? Even though it totally makes sense.

    Again, this is SL. RL pageants have equally, if not more, drama!

    If you can’t deal with it, then don’t enter any contests, pageants, or even read Agency Report.

    Agency report is simply a place for people to write negative and mean things about people anonymously because they don’t have the guts to tell them in SL to the person directly or send out notices in the groups about this very issue.

    And that, is the reality of it.

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  384. *Shakes her head* Says:

    September 23, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    All I can say about this… get a life or stop walking around in the fashion/modeling industry of Second Life!

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  385. @everybody Says:

    September 23, 2011 at 2:34 am

    Providing evidence:

    Wether Miss Azul Contest was rigged or not, there is a very important thing – if one of the contestants is a relative of one of the judges, the judge must go. That would be ethical thing to do, wouldn’t you say? In any contest, for that matter!

    It’s an immediate conflict of interests. So, for the sake of transparency in a contest like this, the judge should excuse himself and leave the judging pannel.

    The winner of this contest is – as she says in her Flickr page – Frolic’s sister, so he shouldn’t be on the judging pannel, right?

    This is the most basic common sense. It’s so obvious that it becomes ridiculous!

    And enough is enough! Stop with the sore looser, sad RL thing. Not everybody kisses Frolic’s ass, you know?

    Let’s wait and see the results of MVW, this year. If “Pontichuchichuchu” is in the top 10, you all have the proof of how Frolic influences results and everybody bows down to the floor, as he speaks. Want another example?

    As you all know, this week, LL provided a debate with some fashion experts. God knows why they called Frolic to be one them! Anyway, the moment Frolic said in that thread that red is the trend now, here we go! You only have to take a look at some of MVW contestants Flickr pages – the ladies in red Frolic’s kiss ass club!!

    It’s simply pathetic!! LMAO

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  386. AMEN! Says:

    September 22, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Amen! What Evidence had to say hit the nail right on the head! Thank you! Couldn’t have said it better myself!

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  387. Evidence please! Says:

    September 22, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Melissa, and to all others who are saying it was rigged, unethical, and the Azul contest is nothing but one bad pageant, alt and what not:

    Please show us the evidence. I’m sure you have it since you are so positive it was all rigged and unethical and it’s the evil of all.

    Please show us you have taken legal actions, complained to LL about Frolic Mills and Mami Jewell, and when you have provided these evidence, we will certainly take you seriously and boycot these evil pageants.

    Without any concrete evidence, there is no way anyone with common sense or “normal” people would agree with you.

    Be a decent human being, a responsible adult, by providing the necessary evidence, a backup to all your accusation.

    Whether Ponchi deserved to win or not, is entirely personal opinion to everyone because everyone’s style is different. Doesn’t matter who had won, someone would had complained about it anyways, but do it in a adult, responsible manner instead of trying to hurt people who are working hard to get somewhere in SL modeling.

    Anyone who are stating that any pageant is rigged, Frolic Mills is a fraud, PROVIDE EVIDENCE! Show us you are taking actions to what you believe in.

    Without it, your comments will always and forever be classified as “soar looser”, “jealousy comments”, and ultimately, “crazy”.

    You know very well the prosecution can’t win the case without evidence. Right now, you don’t have any case, just accusations on accusations.

    At the end of the day, you are only doing this because:
    1. You want/need the attention,
    2. You have no life and is stuck in front of the computer 24/7,
    3. You are truly a mean and sad person in RL and have no friends,
    4. You are unbelievably jealous of the models, and/or
    5. All of the above

    Either way, we will await the evidence to be posted here so that once and for all, the questions will be answered.

    Good luck!

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  388. Melissa Says:

    September 19, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Dearest Really,

    What’s amusing is you, thinking you’re capable of ruffling my feathers. Oddly the only feathers I see flying are yours my dear.

    And I’ll tell you this again, since it’s become painfully evident intellect is not your strong suit, I’m not a model nor do I play one on TV. 🙂

    I do find it highly amusing you feel the need to make yourself appear more important than you are by claiming to have met Mami Jewell as if that should lend some credence to the veracity of your argument.

    Also funny ending your message with “BTW I don’t work for her or any organization associated with Frolic Mills”, by your standards that’s a sure sign you do.

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  389. Actually Says:

    September 19, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Really? love,

    You sound so stressed out and bitter for one not stressed out about an online community. If your life is as fun as you claim it is, you wouldn’t be here spitting venom on a website that is about avatars. Kisses

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  390. Really? Says:

    September 19, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Not as delusional as you.

    You’re the one stressing out over a an online community.

    I’m just finding amusement at how easy it is to ruffle your feathers. You’re just another of the hundreds of wannabe girls who can’t figure out why they can’t get ahead in the modeling industry.

    Me? I just have fun when I’m online and try not to stress. If something makes me unhappy then I don’t do it.

    And finally, and I’ve said this before – I’ve met Mami Jewell a few times – she is one of the absolutely loveliest of people you’ll ever me. Kind, down-to-earth and extremely fair. She was a joy to work with when I did a show for year a year ago. A year from now Mami will still be remembered kindly by those people who have met her and your name will be nothing but another anonymous post on a website.

    BTW, I don’t work for her or any organization associated with Frolic Mills. I don’t enter pageants or contests either. I just know class when I see it.

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  391. Actually Says:

    September 19, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Dear Really?,

    Actually, I have read comments in support of Melissa and I believe a lot of sensible people would choose her side over yours. Kisses

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  392. Melissa Says:

    September 19, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Dear Really,

    So let me see if I understand your message here. You’re saying that the lack of “defense” for my position on ethics equates to everyone agreeing with YOU that I’m simply a sore looser or a sore looser supporter correct?

    I’ll let that sink in for a moment.

    And just so I cover your entire message, you’re also saying that it’s within your right to ignore something if it’s done without ethics or principal and integrity and simply don’t look right?

    You’re actually right about that point.

    You most certainly can bury your head in the sand when you know of something happening that’s wrong and no one will stop you. Will people say you’re a lemming and have no spine behind your back? Probably. But you won’t hear that so it shouldn’t hurt you.

    And for the record. I didn’t “bad mouth 10 gals”.

    Delusional much?

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  393. Really? Says:

    September 19, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Melissa – what is right is for us to ignore someone when we feel they just have a grudge against another person because they weren’t pick for whatever contest of the week they have entered.

    I find it ironic that there aren’t that many people on here defending you. It seems you and your ‘friend’ have some serious unhealthy competition habits that maybe you should take time away from SL.

    BTW I know there is corruption in SL, that’s typical with any online environment. I also feel that I have free will to decide what I want to do any how to spend my time in SL – we all do. If I feel something is corrupt, I won’t join the event. But one thing I won’t do is badmouth 10 gals who happen to be at the top of their field and who work extremely hard to succeed at what they do.

    Jealous much?

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  394. Melissa Says:

    September 17, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    LOL,
    So what you’re saying is it’s ok to do whatever you like, act as unethical as you want to whomever, no matter what because it’s a virtual environment right? Now who’s drinking the kool-aid?

    Brother I hate to break it to you but there are living people behind the screens here. And if they choose to treat other living people in the manner we’re discussing here, in SL then they’ll do it in their RL as well. I sure hope you don’t come face to face with that but maybe if you did, you would get that wake up call you so desperately need.

    Society. It’s a word. Social interactions. It’s what happens in SL. Complacency and indifference the root of many social problems.

    Go ahead call me rabid. I’d rather be rabid than be a social drop out.

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  395. @everybody Says:

    September 17, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Two of the favorite excuses have been and still are used in this website, to make a point about something people disagree on:
    one is the good old “sore loosers” and the other one is this “not real thing” or “go back to your real life”.

    Listen, guys, this is a virtual environment website and even so, it is real. It brings emotions to people, there is always someone behind the keys. So, it is VERY real!

    I actually agree with Melissa. She makes a good and valid point: she wants to state her opinion about unfairness. And if she would do that in her life, why not do it in a virtual environment? After all, the person is the same. So, there is no separation between real life and the personna we create in SL. Even more when we are talking of a virtual environment that roleplays a real one in life – Models and Contests.

    We’re not talking about elves, or fairies, vampires or any other creature we can represent in SL. That’s okay , too. But we are talking about a roleplay that is very real, in life. Fashion and models.

    You get REAL!! Because all this is very real to those of us who comment here. Unfairness happens in life, wether we live it face to face or looking at a pc screen, dealing and talking to REAL people. SL is not a “game” that we play, kill a bunch of people, or become dragons, or something of this sort. We are dealing with people everyday in SL. Every single day. When dealing with people, we deal with human emotions, the most basic ones.

    So, stop sending people to “real life”, cause emotions are real in SL, especially when we deal in a very competitive environment as fashion and models – exactly like in the world out there.

    “sore loosers”- guys that’s an oldie. Find another way (maybe a more intelligent one?) to disagree with eachother. Not to mention the good old insults, as well.

    See how this is all so real? Everyone that types here shows his or her personality. It’s not a personna inworld, it’s really how the person is!

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  396. LOL Says:

    September 17, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Melissa, you said, “The next time you’re walking down the street and you see someone breaking into a car, or kicking a dog, go ahead, put your head down and just keep walking that will certainly go miles towards change in society.”

    You are comparing those circumstances to a virtual contest in a virtual world with virtual people who may or may not meddle in said virtual contests? You’ve proven my point – you do have issues. I’m not even a friend of Frolic Mills or Ponchituti or Mami Jewell or anyone who has been mentioned. Just an unknown (which is fine with me) in the modeling world who comes here to read for pure entertainment purposes. But even someone on the periphery can tell that you are a little too rabid to be just a passerby interested in bringing justice to the masses. Many of us really don’t care about all of this unfairness that you speak of, or if we do, we don’t devote a whole lot of energy to worrying about it, because in the scheme of our lives. a virtual contest is not that big of a deal. We are in touch with our real lives and the line that divides our real lives from SL. That is why no one seems to be as up in arms about all of this as you are. Maybe you are the one who needs a dose of reality and needs to lay off of the “kool-aid.”

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  397. Belissa Says:

    September 17, 2011 at 2:54 am

    Melissa, How dare you say that you are pointing fingers at what is unethical.

    Do you have proof that it was indeed unethical? Did you talk to all the judges? Did you see the score cards?

    I don´t think so… You are nothing but a sore looser, and you have no right to interfere with the best interests of the AZUL brand.

    This pageant is ultmately Mami´s attempt to get a great representation for her brand. The judges helped her decide, and she ultimately made the decission.

    You don´t agree with it? Fine! But don’t say it was unethical.

    The only thing that is really unethical in this absurd thread is that good hard working people are getting slandered by some anonymous idiots who have nothing to contribute to Second Life.

    That’s ethical? Please! Review your actions and your words, and when it all reverts to you, please think about the horrible things you have said here. Trust me, it will revert to you!

    Good luck sour cream!

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  398. Melissa Says:

    September 16, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    LOL,

    Again, you can think what you want but as Get a Life said, I’m entitled to defend a position I’ve taken here. And that position is stop buying into the fraud that is and makes up certain parts, but thankfully not all of SL.

    My position is and always has been about pointing a finger on unethical actions. Dragging that action out into the light kicking and screaming all the way. Not about me and the “circuit contests” you speak of.

    Believe me, or not when I say, I don’t need virtual model validation to feel good about myself. I do however need to stand up and say something when things are simply not right. Allowing something wrong to continue is not, in my opinion good for any society. But if sitting back and accepting wrong over right is ok with you, then by all means keep up the good work.

    The next time you’re walking down the street and you see someone breaking into a car, or kicking a dog, go ahead, put your head down and just keep walking that will certainly go miles towards change in society.

    Thank the heavens, I’m never going to just accept something just because and drink the kool-aid.

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  399. Get A Life! Says:

    September 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Look, you may not agree with Melissa’s points, but she is entitled to have her opinion and defend it. She put herself out there and made assertions. She is entitled to return and comment by way of rebuttal. It’s striking how the “opposition” can get so hostile and nasty. If you disagree then make valid points and construct a coherent and lucid argument. You only bolster Melissa’s contentions when you go off like rabid dogs. This is so typical of the modeling environment in SL. What’s even more pathetic, you’re all sitting and hiding behind computers in BFE nowheresville. Get off the grid for a while, get off Agency Report and the net. Try reconnecting with your real lives again. You’d all be much healthier mentally. Seriously, re-read this entire thread. Does anyone think this crap and the intensity with which you all have invested in it, is normal? Holy Hanna, move on. Go out buy a good book or grab a beer or glass of wine with friends. Partake in some actual “human” interaction, yikes!

    Also, anyone here who deludes themselves into thinking modeling in SL isn’t as shady, rigged and unethical as any RL career field, you’re in for a rude awakening. Take off the rose colored glasses and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. There are a myriad of alts being used and NO ONE is who they seem to be or claim to be! Besides, sit back, detach from the emotion and drama you’ve been sucked into and ask yourself this very basic of questions, “Who in their right or well adjusted mind, commits to a life lived in a computer simulated game?” Please just take a few moments and look around your room or space. Glance out the window for a minute or two. Remember that place? You know the real world?

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  400. LOL Says:

    September 16, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Melissa, you’re so funny. For someone who is SO not invested in the modeling industry and contest circuit, you’ve shown more consistent interest than anyone else here. Lots of people did not agree with the outcome of the Azul contest, but they’re not all here harping on about it. You have some issues. Move on, already. Sheesh.

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  401. Melissa Says:

    September 16, 2011 at 6:25 am

    Which brings us full circle. It’s not what you know it’s who you know. Sad people like Ponchituti need recognition so badly they will practically sell their soul to get it. Even more sad Mami allows this type of thing to happen using her name. But money does wonders for a guilty conscience I guess.

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  402. @everybody Says:

    September 16, 2011 at 3:39 am

    Yes, she did!! That why these contests don’t turn a frog into a princess overnight 😉 in other words, these contests don’t turn a regular avatar into a SL model. Period!

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  403. The looking Glass Says:

    September 15, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    I suppose everyone has their own opinion. I think Ponchituti is one of the best stylist,teacher and fierce models in SL.

    I first saw her in the I am fierce competition (which she too won) and her presentation was flawless and beautiful.

    So it all comes down to opinion. The judges had their opinion, You all have your opinion, but ultimately Ponchituti won.

    Suck it up!

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  404. @everybody Says:

    September 15, 2011 at 4:39 am

    Hell, you have a point there. Personally, in this kind of contests I don’t question for instance MVW’s choices, like Serene or Miaa. I cannot question those choices, in terms of beauty pageants; they were chosen among many and I don’t see – to be honest – any issue there.

    In this particular situation, it’s so appauling, that I had to say something. Let me tell you, there is no intention of trashing the winner; facts actually aren’t on her side. Everything I said are facts; I watched the contest, saw all the models and I have nothing to say about the 1st runner up, Annough Lykin. I wouldn’t say a word if Annough won, or Keira or Leah, just to name a few.

    One of the winner’s prices was to be finalist in MVW, this year. So, if there is transparency, I really hope that Pontichuchuchichi ( I really can’t spell her name) doesn’t win. Unless, and pay attention to this, she gets better with styling and works her shape better.

    It’s a fact that this girl needs to work on her avatar. When I said I have photos of her in public events, I do. No photoshop effects and there we can really see how it was possible that she won, when competing against renamed and professional models like Keira, Annough, Natasja Schumann or Diconay Boa! It’s not a matter of having freckles or being friends with Blackliquid.

    This was really a weird choice. As I said before, these contests are often unfair, or so we think, because we all have different opinions. Nobody here said that the avatar who won really deserved to win, for being the most elegantly styled, the better representative of a gown’s brand. It’s a fact that she wasn’t. I personally think often from the the designer’s perspective, in this case Mami Jewell. If she has good photographers and great photoshopers, she will probably have great photos of the winner. But seeing her in person, as you may have seen too, it’s — I can’t even express in words. There is always controversy, yes. But in this case, let me tell you, it’s justifiable.

    With her lack of styling and shaping abilities, this girl will never be in SL top model agencies like Avenue or Modavia. She may get invites to model for minor SL model agencies, that are eager to please Frolic. But that’s it.

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  405. Confused Says:

    September 15, 2011 at 12:10 am

    I am confused, wasn’t Miss Azul supposed to crown a real female or was it supposed to crown the ugliest looking Tranny among the real females.

    If Ponchituti Boucher is a Tranny, dosent she become an invalid Winner.

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  406. Hell Hath No Fury Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    For many reasons, I am of the group that believes that there were other contestants in the Miss Azul contest who would have been better choices to win for various reasons, but I am not going to slam the winner on this board nor am I going to accuse the contest of being fixed. However, I would like to add that I believe that no matter who the winner would have been, there would be controversy, gossip, and more accusations, If Keira Tyles would have won, someone in the peanut gallery would say that the win was somehow influenced by her friend, blackliquid, because she was a former Miss Virtual World contestant and a big name supermodel who has some past association with Frolic… even though Keira looked awesome, posed perfectly, and looked gorgeous. If Leah McCullough would have won, someone would have shouted she only won because she’s blogged or taken photos of many Azul gowns and it was fixed ahead of time because Mami Jewell likes her so much (when in actuality, they probably have rarely spoken). There might have even have been a few ugly cracks about her red hair and freckles (because people are nasty that way, even though she was beautiful and elegant). In any contest, no matter the outcome, there are going to be people who want to complain, gossip, accuse, and rant, because that is the sad part of human nature. Look at the public’s addiction to the tabloids and how people love good Hollywood gossip. Just look at what happens in various places all over Agency Report. Sometimes it’s just those of us who can’t seem to stop looking at a train wreck, but it’s usually a bunch of sour people (or one, masking as many) being vocal about how all contests are rigged and you have to be a part of Miss Virtual World or a friend of Frolic Mills to get anywhere, out of their own frustration about not winning contests, themselves, or their own floundering modeling careers. In every outcome of every contest, there have always been, and will always be, those.

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  407. @everybody Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    btw, I’ve been to Modavia Fashion Week, which is where you’ll find the BEST Models in SL. Amazing event!!
    tranny, maybe you should go there and watch? there are no photoshop effects there, what you see is what you get!

    Pontichichuchuchichichuchu would learn so much from it, too 😉

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  408. @everybody Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    ahahahahahahahahah tranny try seeing the avatar personally, try seeing how all her proportions are wrong.

    You know? This is the reason why the best Model Agencies in SL ask for raw photos, in castings. Especially face. This is so photoshopped, so photoshopped!!!

    I have photos of this girl taken inworld, without any PS effect, with the shape all distorted, alll proportions wrong. I’m so sorry I can’t show them here, because I really want to keep my privacy.

    Really, do you think people are envious of “this”? LMAO Listen , hun, everybody (and I mean EVERYBODY) is making fun of Pintichuchuchichi – or whatever her name is – LMAO.
    I am very sorry for Mami , AZUL’s designer. Really, she should have had the ultimate vote and I know FOR SURE she didn’t 😦 That’s the result of partnering with Frolic in such events :/

    So, now, everybody’s laughing at Pontuchichichuchu around SL modeling LMAO
    It’s not envy, hun, tell us what’s there to envy? LOL

    So we all win, we all laugh at Pontichichichuchu, she gets bad publicity and Frolic too, which he loves. We all win LMAO

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  409. observer Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Well i can assume you (Elegant observer) went to the same modelling school as Ponchituti if you thought that was elegant and her poses were good.
    Perhaps you are a judge and thats why so many results are so shocking!

    Either way i suggest you go back to modelling school too, and i dont mean one with a big name i mean one that really teaches modelling.

    It saddens me to see that the overall quality in modelling is so bad when there are so many schools around…but then again i also thought agency report was about agencies yet i find myself even posting about an alledged rigged contest.

    By the way Tranny, one good photo out of the 11 ponchituti has on her Flickr, 1 of which is of her “bro” Frollic does NOT make her elegant.

    It also makes her somewhat of a noob only having 10 photos of herself as a pro model.

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  410. Tranny here Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I am a Tranny in RL – what’s the problem?

    Your rude comments are offensive to those who really are trans.

    Shut your mouth and stop being such an ignorant! And btw, I think Ponchituti Boucher is one of the most elegant woman I’ve ever seen:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/51510227@N03/6147569724/in/photostream

    Be jelous, insult everybody, kill yourselves, do whatever you want, but she is amazing!

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  411. @everybody Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Perfect Julie LMAO
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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  412. Julie Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Lol Dont give that sissy so much importance..he must be a tranny in rl

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  413. @ Elegant Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Yes, it has been discovered that MISS ANGOLA is Frolic Mills´ RL alt.

    Go figure!

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  414. Elegant Observer Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I don’t know what kind of drugs you two were on, but Ponchituti was fabulous! Very very elegant and the poses were amazing.

    Anyways, I suppose that’s why you two don’t get invited to be judges. LOL – If you were, maybe you two could rigg it and choose a newbie – yay!

    This is all cheap talk from the minds of the ignorant.

    Have a nice day!

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  415. OMG Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 9:32 am

    I think Frolic and Mami rigged MISS UNIVERSE too! Miss USA was suppose to win and due to those two, it went to Angola!

    Damm you Frolic and Mami!

    Grrrrrrrrrr

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  416. Really? Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Lola – I think we should all form a circle and sing Kum Ba Ya so we can oppress such horror

    * giggles *

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  417. julie Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 5:50 am

    @ Lola

    OMG..All this information is really shocking and shameful.
    I would never participate in such a beauty contest.
    LOL @ Mami and Frolic.

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  418. @everybody Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 5:37 am

    The observer, I agree with you. The girl that won Miss Azul was everything but elegant. But then again, it’s our opinion. I accept easily that contests seem never to be fair. Knowing AZUL’s brand, it’s all about elegance and that girl wasn’t elegant at all. What I really advise models to do is to stay away from any contest where Frolic and his team are on the judges. He loves the fame, so I guess he’s thrilled to read this – anyway bad publicity is great right? I saw a talk at BOSL group that shows exactly his personality and yes BOSL and Frollic followers read this. And he loves this kind of drama. So, everybody’s happy right? We tell our opinion and Frolic gets a blast! Great! I have the talk in BOSL group saved in a NC, since it’s public, I guess I may paste it here, right? 😉

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  419. Lola Says:

    September 14, 2011 at 5:16 am

    Attention Everybody!!!

    Mami jewell is a fraud and a cheat who has been involved in various illegal activities in second life.Many of her activities include money extortion, laundering and many more.

    She and Frolic Mill run these beauty contests as a cover up for an international sex ring which supplies prostitutes to the rich and the elete of the second life.

    Mami has been involved in the rigging of Miss virtual world from day one.
    From Mimmi boa to Serene Faith, all won in her ugly creation. Do you see what I see. There have been rumours that Mami is a Real life man and boyfriend of Frolic Mills.

    Ponchituti Boucher is none other than the alt of Serene faith. She is also Frolic Mill’s second life Sister. Many cases against her have been logged against her as she acts as a fashion blogger and vanishes after receiving high quality items from many famous designers.

    Miss Azul was the brain child of Frolic Mills so that Mami could supply him with girls for his customers. Many contestants have also complained against Frolic Mills as he has cheated them of a lot of money.

    We must all join our hands together and ban such contests.

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  420. observer Says:

    September 13, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    I was at the show and personally i believe any of the other 9 contestants deserved to win over Ponchituti. She showed little imagination in styling (except a hair/hat im not sure what on the first walk, that was not at all flattering to an elegant gown) and her poses were poor.

    If she teaches her students these qualities then i am sorry they spent their money on classes.

    Was it rigged? I dont know, just seems odd seeing as she is “Fro’s” sl daughter/cousin/sister/whatever and truthfully im not sure what she really has to offer the Azul brand.

    Mami Jewell is one of the nicest people in sl that you could wish to meet so its sad that controversy has landed on her doorstep.

    But controversy follows contests around the grid…cant wait for Miss Virtual World 😀

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  421. Predictable or what? Says:

    September 13, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    This site is as predictable as it can be:)

    Someone Frolic knows win the contest, IT’S RIGGED! Only Frolic’s friends wins contests, they slept with Frolic, they paid Frolic, it is never fair!!!! Frolic is the evil of SL!

    Someone Frolic DOESN’T know wins the contest, IT’S RIGGED! It’s an alt of a known model! It’s Frolic himself! they slept with Frolic, they paid Frolic, it is never fair! Frolic is the evil of SL!

    Always same story, no matter what:)

    It doesn’t matter who wins, there will always be someone who is a sore loser, who wants to bash out and will feel better by doing so:)

    Predictable:)

    I hope you all feel better now that you were able to pour your hearts out , got your 3min of fame and got the attention you so deserve:)

    Maybe you should blame Lindens who doesn’t ban Frolic after ALL the bad things he’s done! Why is he still allowed in SL? Certainly there must be enough complaints about him…

    Oh, I know, Lindens are also corrupt, paid by Frolic, right?

    It sure is more fun reading Agency Report than watching stupid soap on TV:)

    Predictable:)

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  422. Words of wisdom Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    “If you want to take your mission in life to the next level, if you’re stuck and you don’t know how to rise, don’t look outside yourself. Look inside. Don’t let your fears keep you mired in the crowd. Abolish your fears and raise your commitment level to the point of no return, and I guarantee you that the champion within will burst forth to propel you toward victory.”

    Bruce Jenner

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  423. Frolic's Daughter Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    I am Frolic Mills´daughter and I do want to be a model and he has never crowned me anything.

    Is it so hard to just realize that Ponchituti did a great job abd that’s why she won?

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  424. Drama Anyone? Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    I just found out Ponchituti is Frolic Mills!

    Wait no – She is Mami Jewell herself! OMG no no – it’s Editorial Clarity!

    OMG – let’s call the FBI! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    I am so confused!

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  425. Ethical anyone? Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    I have done business with Mr. Mills for over 4 years now and he has been ethical and impeccable awalys.

    It’s funny how you all scream ethics and yet all you do is come into a website to slander people anonymously.

    Want to talk ethics? Prove it!

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  426. @everybody Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Agreed with the last comment. The winner of Miss Azul is surely an alt of any former model or something. This part is okay. Everybody can do this.
    What’s really weird is that the “Pontichichi lady” (I can’t spell her name right) who won, has about 8 photos in her flickr account. The first one is a photo of Frolic Mills where she says he’s her brother. Just check. In terms of transparency, this is not good for any event where Frolic is one of the judges. In any contest – RL or SL – there are preferences, it’s just human. The judges have the right to their opinion. What I mean is that with Frolic around, only some “fvorites” will win. That’s all.

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  427. @mess Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Ethics and charity are two completely different concepts.

    And just because you are charitable does not mean you have ethics. Many people give to charity out of the need of recognition to feel that other people look at them as someone of virtue and honor. We all know that’s not the case. Look at companies that produce oil, drugs, and gun. They also give millions to charity. Doesn’t mean diddly squat about their character as a person.

    Mr. Mills is not ethical. Period.

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  428. Anonymous Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 11:33 am

    “Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.”

    I understand the frustration at these contests. While they might not be rigged. It is baffling to see the same models gets chosen over and over. I do think it’s part of nepotism or by association. And also partly due to the fact that some models just have been there longer. Fair, no but that’s how it just goes sometimes.

    As for Mr. Mills, I have no doubt that he’s not a man of honor or ethics. He’s been part of too many scandals and one offs to even count. I still laugh at his quote “People leave SL because they are ignored” No, Mr Mills. People leave SL because they realize RL is more important, they need to take a step away from a “game” or that SL is no longer important in their lives. Saddening that you feel a second life is worth more than the first.

    Melissa, I agree with others. When it no longer becomes fun or something you enjoy. Take a break or find something in SL that interests you. SL isn’t just about modeling. There are so many other things you can explore. At the end of the day, being a pixel model isn’t going to be the greatest accomplishment in your life. So enjoy the ride and don’t let this game get you down.

    I don’t know Mami personally but have heard only good things about her. So I am not sure this contest was rigged but I know some which definitely were.

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  429. Melissa Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Mess,

    You really do have a hard time seeing the tree’s for the forest don’t you. That’s ok. One day you’ll get slapped in the face with a branch and wake up. You can think what you want, call me what you like, it won’t change the facts.

    Leona Helmsley was actually involved in some charitable work too. She also felt it would be enough to cover up the smell rising from the crappy things she did. That failed.

    So go on back to sucking up to the people in power you seem to think can make you something in Second Life.

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  430. Really? Says:

    September 12, 2011 at 6:36 am

    Melissa – Here is what I would teach my children.

    If an online game makes you that angry and that upset then turn off the damn computer and do something else.

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  431. Contradiction mess! Says:

    September 11, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Meli, Meli…

    So you recommend people to do charity work … I don´t know anyone who does more charity work than Mr. Mills and yet you question his ethics.

    And then you talk about integrity and conscience and all you do is come to this site to lie anonymously about others just because you didin´t make it to the pageant (we are not stupid).

    Most laughable, you say you are not interested in modeling and yet for 3 days you have done nothing else but waste your time trying to discredit good people in the modeling field.

    Why don´t you just go ahead and admit it? YOU ARE A PATHETIC SORE LOOSER!

    Repeat that until it gets inside your head!

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  432. Melissa Says:

    September 11, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Transparent,

    Think what you will of what my motives are. But what you really should be thinking about are the motives of others. The fact I shed light on a reoccurring problem in Second Life is for one reason.

    To make people think.

    Really? Is that what you would teach your children? Associate with those in power merely because they’ve achieved fame by any means?

    I’m pretty sure you won’t think though, doing that would cause you to have to face facts and a conscience, so it’s as they say, all for naught.

    As far as me being a model that’s almost comical. I’m sure I could be one but my interests lie in other areas.

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  433. Real model Says:

    September 11, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Miss Azul is rigged Mami is a fraud she has cheatd me of my lindens which I paid her for the beauty contest even Frolic Mills has duped me he never gave me my certificate after I went to his agency,
    And who are there virtual puppets who you are claiming to be supermodels, I have an alt detector and I can tell me most of them are alts. I am going to file an AR report now!!!!

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  434. Transparent, Anyone? Says:

    September 10, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Melissa, perhaps you should follow your own advice and seek an alternative outlet where you can dedicate time to a worthy cause of your own choosing. For a self-proclaimed non-photographer and non-model, you seen to think you know a lot of information about a lot of names (several pieces of which you were way off-base about, I might add) and you also seem to have more than a passing interest as a non-involved party in slamming the participants in Azul, Frolic Mills, and those associated with either. I do not have any sort of relationship with Frolic so am not really posting here to defend anyone, but your efforts here seem to be related more to a case of sour grapes than what you think you know. Seriously. You’re way more transparent than you think. Anything in agency report that starts with the phrase “I am not a model, but…” actually screams “I’m a model, and I’m pissed off about something.” Run along, now. The starving children are hungry.

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  435. Melissa Says:

    September 10, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Azul Fan,

    I’m thrilled you’re finally somewhere there’s lots of buzz and excitement! Goody for you dear. I am confident receiving that invite will make you a huge success and oh so popular! Oh but wait, that’s just the superficial stuff, what a shame. Perhaps your next efforts will be towards something of a more substantial and meaningful nature that has some actual credibility. Charitable works anyone? But let’s start smaller. How about caring for what’s really important like integrity? Conscience perhaps?

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  436. Azul fan Says:

    September 10, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    I am here at the MISS AZUL and its is packed and fab!

    It doesn´t matter what you think about anyone Melissa, some of us do appreciate the efforts of others.

    That´s all!

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  437. Melissa Says:

    September 10, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Well I see I’ve upset the children so I’ll just leave you alone to ponder the difference between good and bad behavior. Now children, being witty takes a certain higher intellect. Contradiction mess you need to go back to your lessons little one, “Only if he eats YOUR brains out”, big fail and about the level of your education I suspect, 3rd grade.

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  438. Really? Says:

    September 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    BTW another bad modeling behavior – Calling everyone an asskisser because they disagree with you especially when everyone seems to disagree with you.

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  439. Contradiction mess! Says:

    September 10, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Melissa…

    “Hannibal Lector was a great cook, but do you really want to have dinner with him?”

    Only if he eats YOUR brains out … After all, you have proven beyond any reasonable doubt, that it isn´t functioning right.

    Take care brainless!

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  440. Melissa Says:

    September 10, 2011 at 7:01 am

    Oh goodness, it’s so nice to see the gathering of ass kissers here. Did I miss the notice on the meeting? As I said, personally I couldn’t possibly care less who won or lost and won’t lose a minutes sleep. I just think it’s really sad a bunch of lemmings will do anything to be associated with a person of such lack of ethics. And sure Mami can associate with whoever she wants. But for those of us who are not “star struck” by Frolic I would think she might want to consider her reputation. Hannibal Lector was a great cook, but do you really want to have dinner with him?

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  441. Contradiction mess! Says:

    September 10, 2011 at 3:56 am

    Melissa you are full of it and are now contradicting yourself …

    First you state that only Frolic´s friends get in, then you say he only knows two, then you say “the others simply never heard of” and so on… I mean what the hell?

    We understand you don´t like Mami nor Frolic … but if you are gonna lie about something at least make a little sense please!

    So, you nor your best friend made it in? awww such a shame 😦

    And yes I agree with Sympathy – which model in Second Life doesn’t Frolic know? hehe …

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  442. Sympathy for Melissa... Says:

    September 9, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Dear Melissa,
    You need to look into who the 10 finalists are. Once again, you are ignorant and don’t have the facts straight.

    Annough Lykin: Photographer, agency owner, great model and stylist. She has a great personality and works hard.

    Diconay Boa: Pose maker, great model and stylist. Never gives up and is an amazing person with lovely personality.

    Imani Enzo: Amazing model and stylist with a great personality to cap it off. Doing amazingly at Styling Forward, still a finalist.

    Keira Tyles: Amazing model and was MVW 2010 finalist with heart of gold.

    Laetitia Vella: I believe she is MVW 2011 finalist and though I don’t know her, she must be a great stylist to be MVW finalist and Azul finaslit.

    Leah McCullough: Photographer and amazing model. Great style and cute personality.

    Natasja Schumann: MVW 2009 finalist, great model and amazing stylist.

    Ponchituti Boucher: Amazing model, stylist, teacher with a heart of gold, always thoughtful of others and simply a lovely person. Yes, friends with Frolic but so what?

    Rehana Seljan: Japanese model, new in the industry, still not known but great style.

    Ruby Okelly: MVW 2010 finalist, amazing photographer and stylist with the cutest Japanese personality ever.

    So Melissa, there you go. Frolic Mills knows few of the ladies, but do you know what? He knew many of all 150 or so entries Mami Jewell received this year. You are entitled to your opionion but please KNOW Mami Jewell in PERSON in order to bad mouth her, which I highly doubt you do. If you did, you would not write the bad things about her that you did. She is one of the sweetest lady in SL, hard working, generous designer and a person in SL.

    Just for your information, the judges only knew who they personally chose and didn’t know who the other judges chose. Also, it was not only picture entry, the contestants had to write WHY they should be picked Miss Azul. If your pic was amazing but a bad answer, sorry, you are out. They were looking for the entire package, just like MVW (which you probably still say it’s rigged).

    Anyhow, you probably still think Miss Azul is rigged and Mami is a terrible person, but 99% of the other SL population who KNOWS Mami will tell you otherwise.

    Be happy and enjoy SL as it should be enjoyed without any bitterness, anger and jealousy.

    Have a great weekend!

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  443. OMG Melissa! Says:

    September 9, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Melissa dahling…

    We got it – you want to slander Frolic … we got it, we got it and we got it!

    But take your hatred aside for a second, Mr. Mills can judge a contest for sure. I know the man, and he will NOT choose someone he likes over someone who is fabulous. I guarantee you. I am his friend and he did NOT even give me a chance to MVW.

    I think it´s you who needs to study the finalists, If Frolic only got 2 friends in, like you said, then he doesnt have much power – does he?

    What about the other judges? or is the opinion of Frolic the only one that counts? lol

    Never in the history of MVW has a friend of his won the pageant, so there goes your little theory.

    I think you are nothing but a lying drama-queen-sore-looser-idiot just trying to discredit MISS AZUL which in my opinion, is one of the very few good pageants in SL.

    Mami Jewell is an impeccable lady and a great designer, and she has the right to associate herself with anyone she likes – and yes Frolic fits the bill perfectly … he may not be too nice, but he knows what he talks about and that’s why he is invited to judge just about every contest in SL.

    You don´t like him? That´s fine, but you have no right questioning why someone else may.

    This is just ridiculous!

    Take care sore looser.

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  444. Really? Says:

    September 9, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Melissa let me repeat myself one more time

    But then again it a common modeling bad attitude – “oh I didn’t get picked so the contest must be fixed”.

    Maybe you and your friend need to disconnect from SL for awhile if you are getting this upset over an online event.

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  445. Melissa Says:

    September 9, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Really, let’s review a few things. First Annough Lykin is a photographer, Diconay Boa, pose maker. Laeticia Vella, Miss MVW candidate and personal friend of Mr. Mills as is Ponchituti Boucher. Of the models there, Leah McCoullough and Imani Enzo are the only recognizable known models. The others simply never heard of. So get your facts straight on the winners first before you start lecturing me. I don’t care who wins or doesn’t I just take issue with contests where most the contestants don’t stand a chance of winning due to who they DON’T know.

    As far as how clean Mami’s hands are, only she really knows. I would hope someone with that long of a commitment to Second Life would want to be associated with only clean hands. And I’m sorry but we all know Frolic’s hands look like the bottom of someone’s feet.

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  446. Really? Says:

    September 9, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Melissa:

    I’ve been in modeling on and off for 3 years. I’m not any kind of super model or big name. Because I cannot photoshop worth a damn I rarely enter any contests. But I have enjoyed my time as an SL model and have no regrets at all with my career.

    But seriously – really?

    Whether or not Miss Azul is fixed (which I highly doubt – Mami Jewell is a very lovely and down to earth person) and whether or not Frolic has any input into the people selected I have to ask you this. The people who tend to get picked for these contests tend to be some of the hardest working models in the SL industry. It’s shameful you think it’s all about fixed contests when you probably haven’t paid any attention to the models who were selected. They are some of the most reliable, top of the line models who know their craft inside and out. They know how to style an outfit perfectly and how to adjust prims so they look flawless. They know how to select colors that compliment their skin & hair tones. They know how to pick the right poses that showcase the outfit and not make it look like a mess.

    Modeling isn’t about looking pretty for pictures. Either a model commits the time to doing it right or they end up in obscurity. And for some of us who try hard but have limitations – we still try to keep a positive attitude because is SL all about having fun.

    I would suggest your friend learn a bit about those 10 women selected. Although there are a few I don’t recognize there are several there who I know have put hard work into their modeling career and have earned the right to be in that show.

    So shame on you. But then again it a common modeling bad attitude – “oh I didn’t get picked so the contest must be fixed”.

    Sincerely

    ‘Been there, seen that!’

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  447. Melissa Says:

    September 9, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Shame on you and really I mean that, it’s not just your name. I hate to tell you this but you’re the ignorant one. I wasn’t even involved in this contest in any way. I can merely see it for what it really is much like other contests here. If you think for a second Frolic didn’t know these people well, could you be more wrong or ignorant? Please I take you as seriously as this contest because you don’t have a clue. Besides I’m not holding Frolic responsible, I hold Mami responsible for sidling up next to the likes of Frolic.

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  448. Shame on you Melissa! Says:

    September 8, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Melissa:

    You are such an ignorant on so many levels!

    1. The contestants are chosen by numbers. No one knows the names of the participants.

    2. It´s not what Frolic says, it´s what the majority of the judges say (like any beauty pageant in the world)

    3. No one knew last year´s winners Estela Parx nor Tania Tebaldi – not even Frolic and yes he was a judge last year too.

    4. Shame on you for being such a pathetic looser!

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  449. Melissa Says:

    September 6, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I’m not a model or photographer but I have friends that are both. Aren’t you people tired of contests like the Azul contest where it’s so obvious people are chosen not by style, or photo quality but by who you know?

    What’s so funny is any contest where Frolic is a judge should be the first sign that you don’t stand a chance unless you’re one of his entourage that kiss his ass. You can see several of them as the winners in this Azul contest.

    Shame on you Mami. You used to have a good name but now all you are is one of Frolics flunkies. If you think people can’t look at this stuff and see what’s going on, you’re wrong.

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  450. Sugarplum Fairey Says:

    August 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    We should start calling Agency Report the CWS Agency Report because that’s mainly what’s discussed here. Anrol, Steve and DebbieDoo. I have never associated with, met or have run into any of these people in my SLife but I feel as if I’ve known them for years. Call me the odd man out but I think we all know by now to stay away from CWS. This old adage appears to hold true regarding CWS….If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is!

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  451. Anonymous Says:

    August 2, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Warning: Anrol and Steve over at CWS (may be the same person..no one is sure) grief their own pageants to eff with contestants they don;t want to win. Yes it’s a fact. They have tons and tons of avis. They mask as security or their latest is animal people (tiger, lions and so on). Get this, they CLAIM it’s so they can eject people from their own SIM. Are they serious with that lame a@$ excuse? Do they think we all fell off the turnip truck? What a bunch of creepy weirdo freaks!!! Anrol you’re a jerk and a half. You suck and suck and suck again. You are a troll and a bottom feeder of the lowest order. Debbiedoo you’re their hired henchmen and *whif whif* you stink!

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  452. I Aint Your Cash Cow Says:

    August 1, 2011 at 6:22 am

    Classic with Style is the biggest SCAM in SL!!! Bar none. Anrol Anthony is a fraud and all the contests go to highest bidder and the pageants are most definitely rigged, save your lindens and go elsewhere!!!

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  453. Anonymous Says:

    August 1, 2011 at 4:40 am

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  454. caffine Says:

    July 31, 2011 at 6:57 am

    wish you could read that V could have been important ^^

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  455. imanyKapy Says:

    July 30, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    активное похудение с гуараной и ламинариейможно похудеть от макароныдиета до 11 часов утра до 5 часовцентр похудения технология красоты г телефон или адресупарвжнения для похудения ногсамые лучшие водные диетыдиету поклиника доктора борменталь похудение по методу доктора борментальнедельная диета при ожирениигипер углеводная диетадиеты без стрессакартинг клуб самое эффективное похудениедиета похудение лидаможно ли похудеть в опредедленных частях телалида средство от похудения купитьдиета с клубникойфото тех кто был очень толстым а потом похуделидиеты по гликемическому индексупольза шиповника при похудениидиеты при поликистозе

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  456. Anonymous Says:

    May 16, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    [2010/02/08 15:04] Frani Dressler: you don’t like modeling, but you teach it
    [2010/02/08 15:04] Frani Dressler: makes no sense to me
    [2010/02/08 15:04] Dolce Enderfield: So yes, I would make a lousy model, because my hearts not into being a model…the keyword there…being.
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Frani Dressler: but…if you’d make a lousy model, how can you teach how to be one? I’m just trying to understand that concept
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Frani Dressler: being you charge for classes and what not
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Majest Dezno: she is a great model, just chooses not to model lmao
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Majest Dezno: she likes the busniess aspects
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Celeszta Szondi: This is ludicrous
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Majest Dezno: yea let it go lmao
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Nefertiti Kimagawa: I think she was just saying that as a joke frani
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Celeszta Szondi: One need not be it to train it
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Frani Dressler: sorry, I just see alot of people taking peoples money to teach them supp
    [19:01] shiva Borkotron: osedly how to be a model, yet, makes me wonder
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Celeszta Szondi: Or prefer it to train it
    [2010/02/08 15:07] Majest Dezno: yep ㋡ just have to be sure to do ur research first
    [2010/02/08 15:07] Dolce Enderfield won’t touch that further.

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  457. Sun Says:

    March 2, 2011 at 9:09 am

    You need to add Vanity Universe. Very bad to the customer. At the fair they are also using RedZone to track all IPs of anyone going on that sim. RedZone tells your alts and gathers RL information. Looks like she found away around personally harassing people.

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  458. Sun Says:

    March 2, 2011 at 9:09 am

    You need to add Vanity Universe. Very bad to the customer. At the fair they are also using RedZone to track all IPs of anyone going on that sim. RedZone tells your alts and gathers RL information. Looks like she found away around personally harassing people.

    Exhibit a: http://gridlockedclique.blogspot.com/2008/08/blogger-booted.html

    Exhibit b:
    http://www.gridexpectations.com/?p=544

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  459. skeptical Says:

    March 1, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Morgane, I sincerely hope you had all of your information correct before posting a list of names here accusing those people of being alts of Shym Mosely. If you were not absolutely sure of what you were posting and did not have undeniable proof, then doing so could cause damage to the people whose names you’ve listed and would be really irresponsible of you.

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  460. morgane batista Says:

    February 28, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    as we needs to give benifice of doubts.. i would like to excuse Kyra Deluxe of the given list. the list was given by multiple persons to me with all the same names.

    lets give a chance to kyra, lets just all hope shes a true victim in all this

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  461. morgane batista Says:

    February 27, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    i did, had to happen one day i guess.. hard to trust people after when things like that happens.. but i’m strong, ill get back on my feets, rub my knees and continue what i was doing :o)

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  462. Poor baby Says:

    February 27, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Looks like morgane batista finally got played

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  463. morgane batista Says:

    February 27, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    i’m not a fan of agency report but i tought the word needs to come out.

    Many designers including me been frauded this weekend by Shym Mosely. She made us all pay our rents on her sim, then ran away with the money, and not paying the sim which made the sim close. she announced to a designer friend that i wont say the name to keep her privacy, that she was leaving SL.

    But she has alts that some of you may know the names..

    Shym mosely is

    Tessa Adjani
    Danae Ruby
    Kira Deluxe
    Mysteria Lisa
    Lawson Pearl (her male alt)
    Delicia Kira

    yep the danae magazine is hers.

    And for thoses who entered her 25K contest, i’m sorry to say this but there will never be a winner.

    now i have to get a new shop up as im out of buisness temporarely :o(

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  464. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    February 17, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Press Release

    First on behalf of Jenna Coppola and I we wish to thank all of you for your well wishes regarding Jenna. It has been a long road, however now things have changed and her health is permitting her to return to Second Life. I am honored to have my wife back.

    We wish to address the issue of Florence Rebane.

    In the beginning once talking to Florence it appeared she would be a good fit for Jenna Coppola Studios. She approached with a business plan. During our tenure together she was very polite.

    I was approached by individuals within Second Life who provided information that Florence Rebane went by the name Donatella Couturier. Speaking to Florence about this she did eventually confirm this as true. She had already launched the Jenna Coppola Agency.

    After a long discussion with Senior Staff, we determined that Florence Rebane is not a good fit for Jenna Coppola Studios. Jenna Coppola Agency and Jenna Coppola Studios are not the same company nor is an affiliate in any form or title.

    We wish Florence good luck with her future endeavors.

    Jenna Coppola and I have welcomed back all staff whom left and have returned when they learned of Jenna’s return to SL.

    Johnathan Hiess

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  465. Caffine Says:

    January 12, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Katherine Coment & Nave Fall Wedding Nov 18, 2009
    ? they use to be married am shocked, the things you find on youtube i had no idea:D

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  466. my real name Says:

    December 21, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    (repost)Been keeping up with some of the threads here, the MVW thread in particular, and been seeing some say that those who use their names are brave. I have to question can you really call that being brave I dont know seeing as 98% of the time the posters who use their names only seem to post the ‘good’ or the ‘positive’ side they have seen or experienced which is fine.
    But does 98% post in their real names when they experience the negative, the bad and the ugly side of modeling in second life hmmmm. Maybe 1 or 2 every now and then which is very rare. These so called brave real name posters I highly doubt they will post using real names when the bad arises. Why, well because its just too risky for their modeling careers and word in sl spreads quick like a california wild fire and guess where being ‘brave’ might leave that model if he/she posted the dark and dirty truth hmmmm. So before we go into this big hoopla of bravely please just stop it. Posting the positive things are great. What Sabine Mortenworld did even if she did revoke her post from her blog later from the stresses of second life modeling heavyweights, that was brave and she took a risk to her modeling career

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  467. my real name Says:

    December 21, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Been keeping up with some of the threads here, the MVW thread in particular, and been seeing some say that those that who use their names are brave. I have to question

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  468. Shocked and dismayed Says:

    December 14, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Last night was a bad night for several SL models

    When will people, like Vikeejeah Xevion, the out-spoken, emote addicted, CEO of Arcobaleno Modeling Agency realize that SL fashion starts with the MARKETING and SELLING designer’s work? It doesn’t start by catering to SL’s poor, oppressed, models.

    Also when will Vik learn that SL’s open voice chat carries for a ways. Last night, in open voice chat, heard by many of the people she was running her mouth about, the opinionated lil Vik suggested that boycotting designer’s contests and stores was a good idea. Anyone on the modeling side of the fashion equation who runs that one out in public can expect to find themselves kicked to the curb forthwith, as I’m sure happened instantly to Vikee.

    The last time anyone suggested a designer boycott it brought Fashion Institute and SSMA crashing down around Colby Pevensey’s ears and that was a much better training and modeling organization then the snarky Arcobaleno girl’s clique. Will this be the end of Arcobaleno too? Maybe designers should boycott her ungrateful ass. Considering that she owns a business that sells shapes to models makes this all the more laughable. Did Vikee miss the SL marketing class where it said that models are not a good market for shapes, that most of them make their own, if they’re any good that is?

    This all began with a breast-beating, screaming mad blog rant by Sabine Mortenwald that suggested that the cost of entering contests run by designers is too high for many people and needs to be dropped. And that the judging of many of those contests is crooked and pick their pals to win. We all suspect some collusion but no one seems to be able to prove it unfortunately. We’re all looking forward to when someone gets busted cold.

    When will people realize that these contests, pageants and events are not conducted for the poor, starving, model’s benefit. Designer’s conduct these, very expensive and time consuming, productions to garner name recognition for their brands and SELL more of their work. It’s called MARKETING. There are are a few contests out there that don’t require any investment on the model’s part, except a picture and an essay to enter. Maybe models who can’t afford to invest L$25,000 to lose should stick to those, Sabine.

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  469. anonymous Says:

    November 14, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    axtually ive known many people with stupid names like that, hell i had a friend named scam and she was as honest and as good as can be. so i dont think she joined sl with the name trick and intended on scamming people. as for that i do remember top high class. and Andismo Dollinger and Lexi Bluemood were the owners and Andismo’s profile says hes been on sl for 3 years, i was a student at top high class, and they scammed me with thier contest board. So i think that trick was possibly following in thoose footsteps?

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  470. Anonymous Says:

    November 10, 2010 at 5:53 am

    Actually I’ve made a hobby out of trashing Anrol Anthony and Classic With Style. She and her ilk prey upon the inexperienced and weak………. I think it’s incumbent on those of us who are more informed to pull the sheets on scammers, spammers and frauds like Anrol and company.

    Tisk tisk so sad get a life hun , i feel so sorry for you. Your a mean person and you need a life outside of second life. Who are you to judge anyone? Its not your place to judge and trash others!

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  471. HuH Says:

    November 1, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    There is one particular agency that I’m with and theres also a one particular academy that I have attended and one of the things they said is that they would never hire models or do any type of business what so ever with avatars that have a ridiculous sl name.

    I recall seeing this Trick Katana send out notices and instantly just by seeing that stupid name I knew that would be some BS. So basically “TRICK” has tricked all of those lindes out of those poor aspiring models which is very unfortunate.

    Even though it may only be sl, a stupidly named avatar may just be an indication of what your dealing with.

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  472. Anonymous Says:

    November 1, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    It seems to me that Violet’s post was meant as a warning to models about what she experienced with this agency, not an open invitation to attack her. She was relating her experiences with this agency owner and since this is Agency Report, it is the proper place to do so. Since this is not Model report perhaps you could focus a bit.

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  473. VioletCrush Says:

    November 1, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    As far as being a stupid choice I did it when she was on land not in a sandbox and frankly it was as a warning to others not being aimed at me and the research WAS done which is why she was being outted on here. Frankly, my consern is with the girls who were in the agency that were new to SL. So as for attacking me I know what I was doing, but to see someone openly take new SL residents who have very little is very wrong and I dont stand for that. I’m comfortable with my training, unlike many who are to chicken to come out with their own names on here I have the clout to do so. I have mentioned to a few higher up models that it was a scam but one of my personal friends was in it and I have called the girl out many a time during the 3 “Classes” we were suppose to have had. Mainly she had this “agency & Academy” to pay for her photography classes. I have done the research but this site is not about ganging up on people it is for information in regards to CRAP agencies, lol doesn’t matter how nasty you want to be I could really careless…Opinions are like A*&holes, everyone’s has one so welcome to humanity your semi-normal, congrats!

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  474. Diva Travesty Says:

    November 1, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    After reading all of that, why I read it all I don’t know, I see a few things.

    First, posting all of that wasn’t neccesary, a few lines of that would have been plenty.

    Second, yes, she’s scamming, if you do a little research on the names she flung out, three of them started on the same day including her.

    Third, not finding any agency named Top High Class whatever, if it exists at all it apparently wants no one to know it does.

    Fourth, if indeed you are highly trained, why, WHY were you taking classes from some unknown academy for 500L, Hello? And in a sandbox? PLEASE Sandboxes are known for rip artists.

    So in summary, you made a stupid choice and she’s a scammer, learn from it and move on. The only ones I feel sorry for are the new models that don’t know better.

    I also agree with Linda, follow the referral she gave you and read it.

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  475. Linda Reddevil Says:

    November 1, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Hmm, I hate to say it but I think meeting in a sandbox would have been my first clue things weren’t exactly right.

    Anyway, Nave Fall once wrote a checklist of things to look for in choosing a modeling academy and it never hurts to revisit pertinent topics.

    – General Warnings, Scams, Gripes, Rants, Conversations, Cat Fights, Etc (312)

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  476. VioletCrush Says:

    November 1, 2010 at 1:45 am

    I’m posting a conversation that was conducted in a modeling group this evening, this is because this agency & academy is not a legitimate academy. It is suppose to have closed. The training you received here if at all any….Wasn’t much, basically 1 day with a red box walking which I had to re explain to the students because they did not get it the way she explained it, then the AO training was skipped with no intention of showing the modeling students of how to do so and how the class ended was 4 days of photography and none of the photo’s have been received by any of the students. Classes were held in a sandbox not on a sim with an agency because there was no land for this agency. This was the tackiest place I have ever seen as far as a “Modeling Agency & Academy” You’d get a better one from a crackerjack box.
    This is just warning against being scammed by her in the future with DeViant Modeling Agency & Academy.

    Group Notice that was sent informing of closure

    im deeply sorry

    Now this is then conversation that took place in the agency’s group:

    — Instant message logging enabled —
    [21:49:31] VioletCrush Bravin: Wow, I think that is a report to linden labs for thieft…Wed paid 500L for nothing
    [21:49:48] trick Katana: im not trying to steal from you i promise
    [21:49:57] trick Katana: and i will pay you back as soon as i can
    [21:50:09] farrah Farquart: i think its not fair trick i ask people to join your school
    [21:50:12] VioletCrush Bravin: Well then you need to remburse the 500L that was paid to you becasue its not a full service that was promised
    [21:51:25] trick Katana: you know whats not fair? im leaving sl temporarily because my little sisters were murdered by thier father when i get back ill put money into my account for you guys okay?
    [21:51:44] VioletCrush Bravin: We’re suppose to buy that?
    [21:51:59] trick Katana: well if you dont want money back then fine
    [21:52:00] VioletCrush Bravin: Theres no gaurenmtte you will be back or pay us thats crap trick
    [21:52:10] VioletCrush Bravin: NO YOU NEED TO PAY IT BACK
    [21:52:16] VioletCrush Bravin: thats wrong
    [21:52:21] trick Katana: ill be back after i get my life straightend out
    [21:52:27] trick Katana: rl has to come first
    [21:52:34] trick Katana: i mean i didnt even have land to teach off of
    [21:52:38] VioletCrush Bravin: I will be repoting you for this because you screwed us
    [21:52:46] trick Katana: when i get back ill pay back
    [21:52:53] trick Katana: hell ill pay back with intrest
    [21:53:08] trick Katana: but i spent it on a damn runway and land and crap for the school
    [21:53:52] trick Katana: hell there was nothing left to teach you guys
    [21:54:01] VioletCrush Bravin: How do you plan to do that becasue the agency was basically a sham, no land no actually facility no real training this wasnt my fist rodeo I have training from a real agency and this was a scam for you to make modey to use towards your photo classes which we paid you to use us as your guineapigs
    [21:54:34] trick Katana: i wasnt using you guys i wanted a school it was the number one thing i wanted in sl
    [21:54:47] VioletCrush Bravin: I have a school and I dont have the problems you have
    [21:55:10] trick Katana: well im sorry i cant afford land
    [21:55:29] VioletCrush Bravin: I offered you to use my land to do a class or two and you wasnt interested
    [21:55:56] trick Katana: i had canceled that day i was gonna ask if i could for the next few weeks until the sim is back up
    [21:56:21] trick Katana: but shit happens and im not leaving for years im only gonna be gone a month at most
    [21:56:22] VioletCrush Bravin: NO the day after that
    [21:56:44] trick Katana: ill put money into my account when i get back and ill pay you guys all back
    [21:56:50] VioletCrush Bravin: Not only that why are you even online if your lil sis was to have been murdered? I wouldnt be near a pc let alone online
    [21:57:21] trick Katana: yeah well i havent been on all weekend and i figured i better give an expliation
    [21:58:01] VioletCrush Bravin: I have you on my list hun and I also can tell when ppls online when they show they are offline…Plus Dar left your class because she said you were a scam
    [21:58:57] trick Katana: i wasnt trying to scam anyone, i swear, ill pay back i just dont have the money because i paid for the runway and let alot of you guys in on next to nothing
    [21:59:08] trick Katana: not everybody paid 500L some paid 100L
    [21:59:38] VioletCrush Bravin: You have no formal raining technically you dont have any business training ppl on a subject you dont know
    [21:59:54] trick Katana: i taught at top high class modeling school
    [22:00:05] VioletCrush Bravin: And what school was this
    [22:00:10] trick Katana: owner was lexi bluemood and andismo dollinger
    [22:00:31] trick Katana: i can name some students too
    [22:00:33] VioletCrush Bravin: If they only paid 100L why did you allow them in when the actual cost was 500?
    [22:00:45] trick Katana: because i needed students
    [22:00:52] trick Katana: i didnt want a class of 2 people
    [22:01:17] VioletCrush Bravin: So you should have ran the add forl more than a week or so then and started later than you intended to do……
    [22:01:48] VioletCrush Bravin: Im thinking you needed the lindens so thats why you allowed it to happen
    [22:02:12] trick Katana: i woulve let people in free if i could
    [22:02:23] trick Katana: but i needed to buy a runway
    [22:02:36] VioletCrush Bravin: I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I asked around and no one whose in high class modeling has heard of you these are ppl who have done more than 200 runway shows not 2 or 3
    [22:02:37] trick Katana: and upload pics of you guys
    [22:03:00] VioletCrush Bravin: And that wasnt included in the fee…We dont do 4 days of photos
    [22:03:25] trick Katana: i said ALL TYPES OF MODELING including photo modeling
    [22:04:10] trick Katana: you can go to the top high class blogger and find my name and my picture there
    [22:04:23] VioletCrush Bravin: Yes but this doesnt mean that we have to pay for that it was included in the deal and you have shown us nothing to have actually gained a certificate…I had to take some of your class members after the walking class and get them to understand it so I helped you out and this is what I get
    [22:05:02] trick Katana: would you have rather me just leave not sayi anything?
    [22:05:05] VioletCrush Bravin: Post that link in here I will pass it to Dar also and I will have a look myself
    [22:05:13] trick Katana: okay ill get the link
    [22:05:26] VioletCrush Bravin: Well if you hadnt we would have figured something was a mist, were smarter than the average bear
    [22:07:06] trick Katana: well im not just gonna leave with no word, besides ill pay back when i get the money myself i have nothing to spend it on sl isnt that importatnt to me anymore
    [22:07:47] VioletCrush Bravin: How do we know you arent leaving this avi to go to an alt and you will poof dissappear?? Were still waiting on this link also
    [22:08:30] trick Katana: i know they might have deleted the blog when the quit the school, i can get the link to the video for it easier
    [22:08:51] VioletCrush Bravin: Ok then start chucking names for us to contact on your credibility
    [22:09:44] trick Katana: goba solo, adam luponox summer and misty restful
    [22:09:59] trick Katana: http://www.youtube.com/user/privateeyesphotos
    [22:10:05] trick Katana: theres the link to the youtube chanel
    [22:10:19] VioletCrush Bravin: I will contact them and run them through a few agencies Im in to see if theyt are known and their credibility also
    [22:13:40] VioletCrush Bravin: A youtube video link?
    [22:13:47] VioletCrush Bravin: Where isk that a blog?
    [22:14:01] trick Katana: the blog was deleted but theres the videos
    [22:14:26] VioletCrush Bravin: A video can be created by anyone one there isnt any facts in a video…I want facts and proof
    [22:14:48] trick Katana: okay you can ask andismo dollinger if he created thoose videos
    [22:15:35] VioletCrush Bravin: The videos Im not conserned with, what Im conserned with is you as a “business owner” taking money from paying “students” and not recieving the product that was paid for in full or at all really
    [22:16:24] trick Katana: well ill pay back as soon as i get the money im not leaving sl permanently i couldnt do that
    [22:17:59] VioletCrush Bravin: Well you will also find this posed on Agency report becasue this way if you do not pay the lindens back you look like a jerk but Im still reporting you to Linden Labs as I suggest the rest to do as well at least if we get screwed you do too because its called an IP ban you wont be back on any avitar
    [22:18:34] trick Katana: well i dont have an alt
    [22:18:49] VioletCrush Bravin: I can say I dont either when I know very well I do
    [22:20:07] trick Katana: well ill pay back in full and with intrest if youd like as soon as i can and go ahead and make me look like an ass for having my life ruined infront of me
    [22:21:01] VioletCrush Bravin: You would not be online if that happened let along in a conversation about this I mean seriously that is something there I wouldnt have been near a pc becasue if that did happen that is something that even SL can and would wait for
    [22:21:48] trick Katana: well im sorry for not just up and leaving
    [22:22:45] VioletCrush Bravin: No trick if it did happen it makes it look like you could really careless that “your sis is gone” to me its an excuse to get out from under a weight you cant bear its all excuise like and you need to see if from my opinion as well as the others it does not look legit at all
    [22:23:21] trick Katana: well oviously your not upset about me closing the school your upset about the money right?
    [22:23:37] VioletCrush Bravin: I mentioned you need to repay the lindens to us and all of a sudden your sis was now gone
    [22:23:53] VioletCrush Bravin: That isnt the same thing yes Im upset you screwed me and the others
    [22:24:35] trick Katana: i was in the middle of typing what i wanted to say before i even red what you said about paying back
    [22:24:38] VioletCrush Bravin: As far as closeing it not my problem my money is and Im not afraid to fight for others if they are injustly done and this was unjust
    [22:25:17] trick Katana: if you want ill go see what i have in my bank account and see if i can pull some out and pay you back because i dont want or need this drama right now
    [22:25:45] VioletCrush Bravin: I think iot would be best to repay us all now before you leave so that no one is screwed over
    [22:26:40] VioletCrush Bravin: Its about 20.00 to pay everyone back maybe a little more or even less
    [22:27:20] trick Katana: well right now i have a total balance of 0l on my account but i have no job in rl so i dont have that much money but ill look and see if i have enought to pay everyone
    [22:27:52] VioletCrush Bravin: That would be good, becasue ppl screw ppl over in SL ALL the time and it’s bull
    [22:28:15] trick Katana: i know that ive been screwed over myself god knows how manytimes
    [22:28:56] VioletCrush Bravin: Right, which is what upsets me…I’m as honest as they come in RL and in SL and it burns me up to see others taken advantage of as well as myself
    [22:29:32] trick Katana: well ive goten screwed over in rl nearly as much as i have in sl, and not just in money, in health, family, everything
    [22:29:52] VioletCrush Bravin: it happens
    [22:31:14] trick Katana: yeah i know and your getting all pissed at me, when im going through so much shit right now that i need a break, and i shouldnt of said no refunds because thats not true i can get a refund as soon as i get the money to
    [22:31:37] VioletCrush Bravin: Yes Im upset becasue we paid for a service that is not being delivered a
    [22:32:54] trick Katana: yes i know, i would be pissed to in fact i am pissed but shit happens and im trying to fix it
    [22:33:22] VioletCrush Bravin: Well when you bail out on a business that was paid for and you do very little of what was promised which I have the notecards saved and the class transcripts saved so yeah you really didnt do all that was promised and that would be rendered as evidence to Linden Labs that you screwed everyone to gain a profit without the promised service
    [22:34:28] trick Katana: well if i give all the money back its not exactly gaining profit
    [22:34:58] VioletCrush Bravin: No its returning the money to ppl who was not able to attend a service that was cancelled by the owner
    [22:36:15] trick Katana: well i tried, because i really wanted to own a modeling school and ended up sucking at it, i made a mistake and i wanna try and fix it ill repay everyone
    [22:37:49] VioletCrush Bravin: I uderstand that it is hard Ive done it since feb…..Originally was back in July of 2009 but real life too hold and I completed my classes with thne paid persons and left as I needed to do but you can’t expect ppl to trust you on things like money especially on sl
    [22:38:39] trick Katana: i know
    [22:40:13] VioletCrush Bravin: As far as being upset as a person, Im not money wise I am. The whole point of this is to make you see what we see and how we feel right now. It isnt not a ploy as a personal attack on you just trying to make you understand our point. Most of these students are new at Sl they dont have lindens or the job skills that I have Ive been in world a little over 2 years so I know how sl is and can be
    [22:43:50] trick Katana: i undestand, but ill pay back and if they want when i get back from my much needed break and i basically whent over everything thats really needed to know
    [22:45:42] VioletCrush Bravin: You didnt go over the AO creating because the girl quit so that was a skipped chapter, they hdont know much about the runway walking like I said I had some I was explaining it to in Im on how it was done becasue I have formal traiing from MA Modeling Academy And Agency with Lulu Coba one of SL’s top models, they wouldnt have gotten it witout me reexplaining it to them
    [22:46:45] trick Katana: well i was gonna go over alot more and explain it alot more but you kinda beat me to it
    [22:47:19] VioletCrush Bravin: No I didnt beat you too it, thwey wasnt grabbibng the walk with the red box so that was all I did so your not going to pin that one me sorry
    [22:48:59] VioletCrush Bravin: Right now all of this is a But…but…but… it’s all excuses, you can’t really say anything to back yourself up so you grab any little piece you can grab with an attempt to find the hidden dorry way and it doesnt work that way you cant find an excuse on this…
    [22:49:38] VioletCrush Bravin: Doorway* no matter how it’s summed up it’s bad business
    [22:50:39] trick Katana: well theres only so much i can do im only human, and i screwed up, and ill payback
    [22:51:08] VioletCrush Bravin: It needs to be taken care of, without the excuses
    [22:52:58] trick Katana: it will be taken care of.

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  477. Nave Fall Says:

    October 29, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Never complain my ass……………. that’s BULLSHIT

    and as far as drama goes – it depends whose being DRAMATICALLY targeted by the discussion. Yeah some call it DRAMA but I call it discussion. Welcome to being in SL, you can get discussed for any reason, or no reason at all, anytime….. It can be pure BS or stark truth, either way if you can’t deal with it maybe you’re in the wrong job………. and whining to the likes of Vic Zuzu anaonymously about it will get you ridiculed, and shunned, for sure, when you get ratted out by him Alexia, or shall I say…. nevermind.

    The good thing is that there are no black lists and there are lots of agencies out there to work with and a, constantly, evolving marketplace for models.

    I will say, again, that models deserve to be well paid for their training, investment and work and that any show director who tells you that “You’ll be paid with clothes, pictures and a good experience to put in your bio” needs a kick in the ass. If you choose to accept that it’s your decision but not clarifying it up front is your OWN mistake.

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  478. agencyreport Says:

    October 29, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Voff having a voice and a place for free speech is exactly why this website was born.

    As you and the other posters on this page have pointed out, most modeling academies teach that you should never complain, ignore anyone complaining, and if you don’t you are causing drama. The problem is that certain Modeling Agencies (contests etc) in SL want to sweep everything under the rug or label problems as “drama” so they don’t have to fix it.

    Now I understand that some people come on here and abuse the freedom that is granted to everyone, but that doesn’t mean that all comments on this website are just drama and should be ignored. If you as a model are buying into that mantra and thus don’t comment, I guess that is your choice, but don’t allow yourself be fooled. The agencies don’t like that models now have a voice and they will do what they can to discredit comments here and convince people to not use this website. I think this is the cause for so many anonymous comments, agencies are reading and are paying attention.

    Real and valid complaints cause drama for any agency, that is a fact. Now if those complaints then eventually lead to the demise of that agency, is it the comments to blame OR is it the problems about which these people were complaining?

    “Well if so-and-so wouldn’t have complained we wouldn’t have shut down.”

    “Well if this problem hadn’t of occurred in the first place there would have been no reason to complain.”

    So where did the drama start? Was it the complainers? I think not. The drama started with the event(s), it’s what ever happened that motivated these people to come onto AgencyReport and complain.

    In the event of agencies closing and blaming AgencyReport: I would assume that the problems that existed which caused the complaining were never satisfactorily resolved and/or were combined with other unrelated problems. These things mounted and eventually lead to the closing down of the business.

    In closing, I still think that AgencyReport serves a purpose in the SL modeling industry, whether some people abuse it or not.

    AgencyReport Zepp
    (super secret anonymous alt)

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  479. BlessedAngel Says:

    October 29, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I have seen people attempt to manipulate others in some of the silliest of ways but after what I was told and seen with my very own eyes while I was at a RL friends house and seen the conversation take place with my own two eyes not prim eyes real eyes I have literally decided that some people should be hunted like animals in open season.
    Android Nakajima owner of Droid Modeling Agency has decided that if you OWN/Work/Manage or any upper management or staff of any other agency UNLESS she allows you to join her academy without any feeling of having her stuff exploited as if she is the top modeling guru in Second Life, like there’s never been an agency or academy derive up from the ashes in the mist of another agency or academy, information is so innovative and unseen before in SL that for her to think she has the newest most under wraps modeling techniques that she needs to keep her lessons under wraps and that no one from her agency will ever go and tell another avatar modeling tricks, seriously how stupid can you be? Realistically everyone in Second Life learns new things and shares with others its a notorious cycle of information that is relayed from one person to another and there is NO WAY to stop the flow of information. I beleive that if another resident pays for their account that there is no way they should be ridiculed or forced to decide to leave a business partnership because another person feels they have the right to stake claim on that business and if you take part in a name sake or as an active person in that business you can’t be a part of my business unless you quit or opt out. Seriously Android Nakajima get a real life and stop living in Second Life, Second Life is a form of relaxing entertainment to unwind from a long day of REALITY not stupidity and you are NEVER going to rule Second Life or the real world, give it up.

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  480. Voff Uggla Says:

    October 29, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Bravo Nave! Your’re welcome to interview me anytime about my 8 months experience at CWS, that way you will have another victims story to write. As you may know my native langauage is Swedish, so I’m not a very good writer in English, but you seem to have a talent to put words together, so I’m looking forward to read the full report/paper about CWS. I despise them as much as you do, and I totally agree, quoting; “They are greedy, and have no right, in my opinion to teach anyone to do anything. I do feel that Pay per Vote contests, used in the manner that CWS is exploiting them, should be outlawed in SL.”

    TY AR Says:
    “You could have been a great model but sometimes you speak without thinking. Top models know to avoid drama.”

    You know during the more than 1 year I’ve been involved with the Fashion Industry, I’ve discovered so much “ugliness” that I don’t give a shit. And I have been thinking before writing here, why would I do it when I know that the model industry, teaches all models; “Ignore” “Don’t cause “drama”, etc.

    Well if I don’t have the freedom of speach and have to kiss ass to become a “top-model”, then it’s not for me. I have met some really nice, honest, sincere people in the industry, however the negative over wheighs the positive. I don’t give a shit about fame or have the need to be seen, I know who I am and what I want, and it’s NOT being a “top-model”.

    I can think for myself I do have a brain. I’m not a spineless dummy that “buys” what the Fashion Industry in SL tells people what to do or say. I have made misstakes during the past year, I’m not perfect, but I have learnt from them and I will not do them again.

    And you’re right, I don’t need to be here and I won’t, this is my last post here.

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  481. Nave Fall Says:

    October 28, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Here’s a recent Classic With Style story I received for you Voff……………

    And I’m not AgencyReport

    Nave

    ========================================================

    y experience with CWS is limited compared to some, but in my opinion was detrimental to my career as a model. In that, just about everything that CWS claims to make you “SL Top Model” is exactly what people in the fashion and model world frowns upon. Now let me just set a few things to record, before any one tries to bring to light my past involvement with CWS. I started modeling in SL around Feb or Mar of 2010. Quickly after researching some schools and contests, I receive a NC about a Pay Per Vote Contest, that pays in a lavish 1st prize and promises you paid work with their “exclusive” designers and recognition thru out SL, YouTube, so on and so forth. I quickly signed up, not only because of the pageant, but because they had free “model” training and you could participate in their nightly styling contests. I am thinking, great! Training, runway experience, and entrance into a pageant. Not too long after first joining, I had won a first place and 3rd place in their styling event, had attended numerous free “model” training classes, and was feeling pretty good about my self and my career as a model. Then I had entered their “Cover Model” contest, which requires you to buy an outfit from Anrol Anthony’ store and have a photo taken within theme. I made top ten in that contest, but had lost at the finale for that event. I didn’t loose a huge amount of $L in the Pay per Vote contest, maybe $1000L, no more than that. But, I have put a great deal of $L in to preparing photos, outfits for styling evens, and what not.

    Now imagine, I’m a new model. I have taken everything that CWS has offered me in the form of free “model” training. Heck, I have even won contests sponsored by them. I decided that I was going to try and audition for a reputable modeling school in SL, one that offers credits towards your tuition for past experience in modeling or past training. I go to the audition, feeling confident. Feeling as though I have been trained to best of what I have been offered (and could afford at the time). Imagine my surprise, when I am at the audition, and the casting manager asked where I have training, I explain that the training I have received was from CWS free “model training”. The casting manager replies “Oh!” “Oh”? This doesn’t sound good. I wait for my results from my casting, and this is what it says:

    “While you have a lot of passion and drive for this, which is wonderful, we feel we need to get you some more practice and classes in before you are prepared to graduate. We need to do some work with your poses. If I remember right you are or where a CWS model? If so, put all the compulsory CWS poses in a separate folder for use only when working for them (most of their poses are massive no-no’s in the industry). I love your drive and passion for this. And your willingness to learn. That will get you far .I am aware of where you trained previously so, none of this surprises me unfortunately 😦 It’s also not your fault.”

    “Most of their poses are massive no-no’s in the industry.”???

    But wait, they “train you to be a SL Top Model”, right?

    “I am aware of where you trained previously so none of this surprises me unfortunately.”

    Well I am glad it didn’t surprise you, because it sure as hell surprised me!

    In the coming months, as I had cut off all “involvement” with CWS, I had realized allot of things about this “corporation”. Just a few things that I have personally witnessed, during this time were: Anrol publicly (over DVC) belittling, scolding, and barking insults to models during finale events. Pageant contestants paying their Pay Per Vote contest picture on the upwards of $200,000L, Contestants “donating ” Linden’s to CWS or a “scholarship fund” in return for pageant titles and fashion show and print ad work. In my opinion, all of this is totally unacceptable. The CWS cooperation, business, for the lack of better words, mess of greediness, is an insult to SL, reputable model agencies, and frankly all of the fashion industry within it’s self. They are greedy, and have no right, in my opinion to teach anyone to do anything. I do feel that Pay per Vote contests, used in the manner that CWS is exploiting them, should be outlawed in SL.

    I choose not to defame any of the model’s names in my interview, mainly because, they don’t know any better. But, maybe they do, and they enjoy BUYING their titles, instead EARNING them.

    I think it is about time that someone knocks them off their high horses. They give new models a false sense of security in the “training” they are offering. When the truth is, the only place CWS models would be able to work, with out any further training, would be with CWS. They corrupt models and poorly train them. I didn’t even know how to do a camera turn when I went to my audition, and do you know how embarrassing that is? CWS is raping your $L Wallet, and I feel it’s about time we ravage theirs in return.

    CWS prides them self on the fact of “Often Copied, Never Duplicated”.

    But seriously, who would want to?

    _________________________________

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  482. TY AR Says:

    October 28, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Keep doing what you’re doing Agency Report because this is the only place where models can actually speak up without fear of being punished. It is unfortunate but there is still a need to be anonymous.

    Voff Uggla: I admire you for putting your name and speaking your mind but you don’t have to be here if you don’t want to. You complain but you are here posting a lot. You could have been a great model but sometimes you speak without thinking. Top models know to avoid drama.

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  483. agencyreport Says:

    October 28, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Voff, read older posts by me on this and the general comments news page, you will see where I explain why I am anonymous and give a few hints as to my identity. I’ve said it from the very beginning that I was anonymous, and at times I come on and post to defend anonymous posters. It’s surprising to me you are just realizing this, I thought it was common knowledge.

    You aren’t the first to think Nave was me. People have thought that I was Nave, Anrol, Ethan Haalan, even Frolic Mills at one time. I’m still not famous or a leader in any sense, my involvement in the modeling world is minimal at best — I am so obscure it really is pointless to even guess but I know you all do anyway, I suppose I would too if I were in your shoes.

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  484. Amazing Grace Says:

    October 28, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Voff Ugla sounds so “angry” :)…such classless posts that make the likes of Dolce Enderfield seem refined :).

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  485. Voff Uggla Says:

    October 28, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Be brave Nave and tell people the truth that you are the alt, “Agency Report Zepp”, that is pretty much obvious.

    And for the, I don’t know how many times now, there is enough information about CWS, posted in that report. Zoey Neutron have written several posts about what’s going on there, and I have written posts confirming that what she experienced at CWS is also what I’ve experienced.

    Plus I warn new models I come in contact with inworld about CWS. I left CWS 8 months ago and have no problems with Anrol, but you seem to have a lot of issues about it. And where is that report you said you were going to write about them? I guess you didn’t have the courage to write it in your own name, instead you’re hiding behind you alt using this site for your own purposes.

    If you wan’t to reveal the truth about CWS, as you said you would, why don’t you do it the professional way, do some research, interview the “victims” of CWS, etc. Write a paper and publish it under your own name. But of course that takes some courage…

    Anyway, I will warn everyone I come in contact with about CWS and Agency Report.

    Over and out!

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  486. Nave Fall Says:

    October 28, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Get a grip Voff…………. you seems a tad emotional. AgencyReport serves an IMPORTANT place, whether you agree with its purpose or not. People can filter out what they want to know from the dramatic BS.

    You can’t blame AgencyReport for the failure of Fashion Institute. There were many good people there and the idea had merit, whether it was implemented the right way is less obvious. We could do an autopsy to discover the underlying causes of FI’s demise but that’s not necessary. Colby would tell you that the “haters” caused it to fail. It doesn’t matter now, it’s like the tagline for the X-Files – “The Truth is Out There” if someone asks the right questions.

    Ultimately the CEO of ANY business is responsible for conducting the business’ affairs in a way that inspires confidence. The copybot event eroded that confidence, unfortunately, and the way that he chose to respond to Agnes and Will Finney, by suggesting designers be boycotted, led to other difficulties.

    As far as the curriculum of FI goes, if someone wants to learn something bad enough they’ll find someone to teach them. There are modeling schools and trainers that will teach you almost anything you need, or want, to know. Often they’ll just explain whatever you’re curious about for free. For example, when we have a roundtable at Model’s Workshop many vexing questions get answered for people

    As far as CLassic With Style goes people are interested in hearing the REAL story of what goes on there and how useful it is to win one of their events. Voff, if you’re as concerned with the truth as you claim you are maybe you’ll take some time and tell us all what your experiences with Anrol were like and how valuable their training was to you. That would be using AgencyReport for what it’s meant to be used for.

    Be brave, Voff, Anrol can’t hurt you anymore.

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  487. Voff Uggla Says:

    October 28, 2010 at 6:32 am

    WARNING FOR AGENCY REPORT!

    The information provided here is not correct, several of the people who write their opinions here do it under anonymous names, they’re on a mission to cause drama and destroy. This site is just a cesspole full of crap.

    This is the profile of the owner of this site:

    “AgencyReport
    Giving Second Life Models the power of knowledge
    Models! Industry leaders! We want your comments!
    Yes, I am an alt, and no I don’t add friends.
    Knowledge is power!”

    He or she is an alt! The owner of this site is anonymous as well… unbelivable, I just wanna throw up.

    A serious “Agency Report” wouldn’t allow people to write anonymously, let them lie, make up untrue stories, etc. This site have alrady contributed to destroy Fashion Instite. Please, don’t let it destroy any more agencies/academies/schools, it’s time to boycott Agency Report.

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  488. I know now Says:

    October 10, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    So there you go the truth at last agency report is Ethan

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  489. agencyreport Says:

    October 9, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Ok, due to the super annoyingness of this current argument, you all have both been suspended for an undetermined amount of time/days. Sorry, my patience was worn out.

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  490. WhatTheF@*& Says:

    October 9, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:
    October 9, 2010 at 7:24 am
    “LOL. why do you keep copying and pasting what I said? I know what I said and I stand by it.”

    Response – Because I can!

    Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:
    October 9, 2010 at 7:24 am
    “And you know, yeah karma does come around which is why whatever I did to you happened to you. Karma right?”

    Response – Ethan Haalan you could never do anything to me seeing as though I do not deal with batty boys nor batty boy’ism. I’ve been known to go over a batty boys head with a sledge hammer a few times “)

    Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:
    October 9, 2010 at 7:24 am
    “I don’t surround myself with negative thoughts but if a situation does arise in which I’m not happy with I sort it out or remove myself from a situation.”

    Response – Ctrl+Alt+Delete your life already!

    Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:
    October 9, 2010 at 7:24 am
    “Who are you again?

    You constantly keep saying “Ethan Haalan” this and “Ethan Haalan” that. What do I call you?”

    Response – Ethan Haalan I’m a dream destroyer. You can just call me your new worst nitemare.

    Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:
    October 9, 2010 at 7:24 am
    “WhatTheF@*&? Oh please, grow up and stop hiding. If you have THAT much of a problem with me, let me know who you are. But as far as I’m concerned, you’re just another person trying to stir up some sort of drama to where there is none. Please get over yourself, and more importantly,

    Please get over me, I know I’m an awesome person and I make your day by replying to your stupidity, but please…you look ridiculous.”

    Response – Awesome! I just love pulling chains on mutts who are most deserving of being choked.

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  491. Tristian Colinsgrove Says:

    October 9, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Ethan Haalan is a great guy and a very talented person. He might be young but he already ran a Top Agency in SL as well as made it as a finalist in MVW and is represented by Top SL Agencies despite all the drama against him. I have a lot of respect for him because he stands up behind his name and never once cowered against all the nastiness and drama.

    Anyway, what is the purpose of attacking someone here other than create drama and tension? A top model once said…. “You are nothing unless someone tries to copy and bashed you in SL.” At least Ethan is unforgettable.

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  492. Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 9, 2010 at 7:24 am

    LOL. why do you keep copying and pasting what I said? I know what I said and I stand by it.

    (funny how this all started by just laughing at something I thought was funny, you guys are pathetic LMAO)

    And you know, yeah karma does come around which is why whatever I did to you happened to you. Karma right?

    I don’t surround myself with negative thoughts but if a situation does arise in which I’m not happy with I sort it out or remove myself from a situation.

    Who are you again?

    You constantly keep saying “Ethan Haalan” this and “Ethan Haalan” that. What do I call you?

    WhatTheF@*&? Oh please, grow up and stop hiding. If you have THAT much of a problem with me, let me know who you are. But as far as I’m concerned, you’re just another person trying to stir up some sort of drama to where there is none. Please get over yourself, and more importantly,

    Please get over me, I know I’m an awesome person and I make your day by replying to your stupidity, but please…you look ridiculous.

    ILY 😀

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  493. WhatTheF@*& Says:

    October 8, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 8, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    wow, I’m positive I’ve done nothing to hurt someone to THAT extent in which they hate me this much, but if I have.. sorry, but you honestly need to get over it, It was probably a year ago pushing 2.

    Love you guys, you make my day brighter!
    <3333

    ————————————————-

    Yep that's the typical type of attitude that one carries around when they usually don't give a Sh!t about what they've done or how they've treated other people unfairly. You Ethan Haalan are indeed a pretty pathetic individual if I must say so myself. To say that you haven't hurt anyone to "THAT extent" is very lame on your part. Hurting someone is hurting them period, it doesn't matter if you have hurt them a little or a whole lot. It's pretty obvious that you realize that you have hurt people in the past as well as it also being abvious that you could care less. Well it's like someone else here said, people don't forget. Oh and guess what neither does KARMA – ever met her, she's a real B.I.T.C.H. so if you ever trip and fall and bump your head that might be KARMA. Or perhaps you may run into someone that treats you like a turd just as you've done to others in the past, that's definetly KARMA. Someone may just push you down a flight of stairs and that my friend can also be KARMA. You get back what you give and it's about time you learn that. Question is will you be able to get over it when it's your turn and something tells me that you won't be able to.

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  494. Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 8, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    wow, I’m positive I’ve done nothing to hurt someone to THAT extent in which they hate me this much, but if I have.. sorry, but you honestly need to get over it, It was probably a year ago pushing 2.

    Love you guys, you make my day brighter!
    <3333

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  495. English Teacher Says:

    October 8, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    “Whatever!! Says:

    October 8, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Of course you don’t remember, because you wasn’t the one it being done too,people you hurt don’t forget,remember that in life. What you do to others will come back and bite you in the butt:D”

    Bad grammar hurts my eyes.

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  496. Whatever!! Says:

    October 8, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Of course you don’t remember, because you wasn’t the one it being done too,people you hurt don’t forget,remember that in life. What you do to others will come back and bite you in the butt:D

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  497. Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 6, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    aww thanks for making this thread about me and my past in sl, makes me feel sort of special you remember all of that stuff that I apparently don’t.

    ILY! 😀

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  498. Kindergarden teacher Says:

    October 6, 2010 at 2:30 am

    Somebody needs a huggggggggg

    C’mereeeeeeee

    /me whispers – It will be okay, the baddddddd ladies are just being mean.

    Hugggggggggggggggg

    Poor Ethan, he comes back and his recent, checkered past remembers him. There is a certain symmetry to this that makes sense. All those people the boy wonder “show” director terrorized, dicked around and made miserable have long memories.

    Where’s Anita when we need her?

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  499. WhatTheF@*& Says:

    October 5, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 5, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    wow too funny, idc if you hire me or not to be honest, my life doesn’t revolve around sl.. “hun” BTW.. psst. (it’s a game…) , and if you are who I think you are.. then that’s just sad.

    And this “little boy” has accomplished way more than you ever could in rl ^_^. So enjoy your sl.

    ————————————————-

    Rotf I’m going to put my little 2 cents in on this one simply because I can. I don’t know who you are Obese Model and I don’t know who you are Ethan Haalan. Ethan Haalan, you sir, obviously are a clown of all clowns. You sit here and claim your life doesn’t revolve around sl but yet you take your own personal time out from your “real life” to come on a website that revolves around nothing but second life events to post. Then to top it off you want to sit here on this second life website and talk about your so called “real life accomplishments.” First of all you can’t prove anything to anyone on this website about your so called real life accomplishments, therefore that just makes it all Bull$hit text that your posting here. Secondly who gives a flying Mother F@%& or a Rabbits A$$ about your real life. So until you can post your REAL LIFE PHOTO along with your REAL LIFE INFO and REAL LIFE DEGREE, PHD, CHECK STUB, BANK STATEMENTS or any other got damn thing else you want to sit here on this second life website and claim that you have, by all means sir please STFU and go play in real life traffic.
    Thank you

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  500. Obese Model Says:

    October 5, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Ethan poor little boy , the little boy who got so upset when someone beat you to a certain job , the little boy who decided to start a smear campaign, babes it is a game until you upset someone.
    You know who i am and i know who you are and the games you play as you say it’s just a game lets see how this game ends.

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  501. Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 5, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    wow too funny, idc if you hire me or not to be honest, my life doesn’t revolve around sl.. “hun” BTW.. psst. (it’s a game…) , and if you are who I think you are.. then that’s just sad.

    And this “little boy” has accomplished way more than you ever could in rl ^_^. So enjoy your sl.

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  502. Obese Model Says:

    October 4, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Ethan why should i say who i am, hmmm well you do know who i am but it’s more fun being anon you never know when i could be standing next you.Even hire you oh did i mention Obese is an alt might give you a clue hun
    now ill lock the gate so you cant get out little boys and traffic don’t mix.

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  503. Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 4, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    obese model.. when you’re ready to say who you are then come and talk to me, as of right now you’re honestly pretty irrelevant

    LOL.

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  504. agencyreport Says:

    October 4, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    You all please don’t SPAM the site. If you have something to say that doesn’t involve an Agency put it here on this page.

    Thank you to those that are following the rules.

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  505. Obese Model Says:

    October 4, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 3, 2010 at 9:48 am

    lol

    A typical response from a little Boy, babes when your balls finally drop come and see me till then climb back into your little hole you worm

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  506. Anonymous Says:

    October 3, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    It’s not a matter of publishing your sl name to get recogonized. I think Sianara was trying to say goodbye as in Sayonara.I don’t think it is wise to post one’s sl model name because I have found it only leads to unwanted im’s inworld. Clearly Sianara needed to vent, and that is all. From what I have read so far, the agency report is to publish your gripes and rants to be read by those who need a little bit of sl gossip while in their real lives. I know when I don’t have a People or US Weekly handy, I turn to this forum. It’s all in good fun. Perhaps we should all lighten up 😉

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  507. Linda Reddevil Says:

    October 3, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Sianara you raised some valid points and shared your SL modeling dilemma. While I agree with some of the points you made I think the one thing that bothered me about your entire post is the one statement you made. Quote [“But with realizing that I will never ever be one of the top popular models, my time doing this has come to an end.”] End Quote

    Modeling School 101 – If you’re in this to A.) Make money or B.) Be a top popular model; then you will be sorely disappointed. Why? Because modeling is NOT supposed to be about you. It’s about how well you best respresent a designers’ creations with style, poise and elegance.

    Granted, I haven’t been into SL modeling as long as you have and while I share some of your gripes and have my bad days as well as good ones, I still wouldn’t compromise being the best I can be or give up. Hoping that you would become popular and/or a SL top model seems more indicative of what’s lacking in your real life. Second Life may give us that ego boost we all crave, but eventually we all log off and are faced, once again, with our mundane real lives. I truly believe you have to have the confidence in real life to be able to portray the same confidence in Second Life albeit a few setbacks.

    Maybe, if you reflect upon what inspired you to become an SL model in the first place it will help guide your decision more appropriately.

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  508. Amazing Grace Says:

    October 3, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Kisses Sianara,
    Don’t get sad, there’s much much more to second life than virtual modeling, and much more successful avatars out there that are not involved in the second life modeling industry. Sit back, take a look at this second life modeling industry, try to imagine the real people behind some of these avatars…funny isn’t it? 🙂
    Lastly the time spent in your real life is usually healthier and more productive than the time you spend fretting on second life. kiss kiss

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  509. Nave Fall Says:

    October 3, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Sianara

    Your venting post makes some interesting points. How valid they are I’m not sure………

    Let’s consider a few things about modeling in SL. With 100s of new SL “models” vying for attention it’s inevitable that many will not have any impact and fall to the wayside, while the best, the smartest, the most socially adept, the best financed, trained and self-promoted, in other words, the ones who “get” it will SUCCEED. Getting known and developing influential “connections” just as it does in RL helps a model get noticed, not btw winning “pay –to-vote contests at Classic With Style or Frank’s Place though.

    There is no shortage of “modeling” work for models in SL, but you do have to differentiate yourself from the school of chum that is raising a hand “going anyone need a model? I’m here” in the Models looking for work, StarWalkers and BOSL chat groups.
    As far as work goes, there are many different types of work (depending on what you are willing to spend your time at, of course.

    Contests – Enter some – win prestigious ones (You still won’t get rich just ask Miss MOOLTO Mina Pellazi for example )

    Runway – WALKING in Fashion Shows

    Print – Magazine, blog ( and vendor pictures

    Face – Promoting some sort of “brand”

    Store – On a pose stand answering the occasional question

    Agency – Creating a business for yourself and PROMOTING IT (sound familiar?)

    Trainer/Stylist – work “improving” others

    Photographer, fashion writer, designer the list goes on and on………… Those are a few (not all by any stretch of the imagination) of the different kinds of work available to a “model” in SL. None of them will pay you a RL living though if that’s your intention, You will invest far more then you take back out.

    Sorry that you worked so hard and invested so much time and weren’t acknowledged or taken into the inner circles Sianara. Perhaps you needed to try some things other then posting without your name on AgencyReport to get noticed.

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  510. Anom Says:

    October 3, 2010 at 11:09 am

    ITs not only who you know but what you know. As its the what you knew that keeps you in the positions your gain in sl.

    And i worked my arse off to get to where i am not by kissing arse

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  511. Mr. Ethan Haalan Says:

    October 3, 2010 at 9:48 am

    lol

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  512. Obese Model Says:

    October 3, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Gives Sianara a big hug babes i had the same problem till one day i found a niche big size models ok we are small in SL right now but we are now making ourselves known.The Normal people in SL are getting tired of seeing stick insects and what you said aboutSL modelling being Elite you are so right it’s not what you know but who.Agencies don’t care about you Hun they just want your Money oh and you have to know how to Kiss Ass in a big big way.
    Hun there are plenty of other things to do in SL you will find whats right for you.

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  513. Sianara Says:

    October 2, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    ~NOTE~ This is me venting, nothing important

    I have been modeling for lets say about a year and

    5 months now and still I have pretty much gone

    no place at all with my experiences in modeling as

    far as getting into so called top or prestiges

    agencies or even winning contests for that matter.

    I have continuously tried and tried and tried my

    best to no avail. I was always told dont give up or

    keep trying and I did. Still always losing but yet

    always kept a smile on my face, stayed positive and

    kept going. I have been told I should enroll for

    classes here and there so that I could get into

    these agencies that way. But isnt that like paying

    my way in and not earning my way? I have attended

    school, one of the top best I might add. Why do I

    need to pay my way through 10 different schools

    in order to be recognized as a model who tries her

    hardest and best? I have come to see that this is

    about popular avatars, those that are well known by

    majority if not by all. There is no room for the

    unknown avatar model such as myself and thats just

    fine by me no love lost, no hate gained. I dont

    regret any of the hard work, effort or money that I

    have put fourth, its what I wanted to do.

    But with realizing that I will never ever be one of

    the top popular models, my time doing this has come

    to an end. Perhaps I have taken modeling in sl way

    too seriously. But then again I always looked at it

    as being serious which is why I took the time to

    work hard. Thats ok however someones got to lose

    and I did – again lol. Good luck you all I had

    blast while doing it.

    Sianara

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  514. Jen Tafler Says:

    September 18, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    In regards to the ass kissing and sucking up in SL, well it happens in RL and nothing you can do about it. I myself have never been party to such nonsense. I say what I mean and nothing less. If I want to compliment I do, but I don’t to stroke the ego of anyone to get to the top. I say it cause I mean it. I would rather do it as I have always done, on my own. And one day, when I do make, I will know it was because of me, not because I left my sexy full lips tattoo somewhere on someone’s pixel ass. In fact, ass kissing and sucking up in SL is just about as silly as posting anon/psudo-named in here. 😛

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  515. paisleylancaster Says:

    September 14, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Ooops….lol, I did spell “exalted” wrong, didn’t I? 🙂 Let’s just say my lesson was well learned with my former agency.

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  516. Anonymous Says:

    September 14, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    What are you saying Paisley? Are you saying that Anastacia Markova, the “exalted ruler” of Opium plays favorites?

    ***hands to face***

    That would be the Anastacia Markova who thinks (in her own mind that is) that she is one of the “IT” people, which she is so not and never has been.

    Her 15 minutes is so over

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  517. paisleylancaster Says:

    September 14, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    I agree with “no ass kissing here”….SL modeling, from what I have seen, is mostly about kissing ass and being favored by the “exaulted ruler” of the agency you are with. Or “who” you know, not what you know or how hard you try. Favorite models are rewarded and put in shows, others are not. So, it’s not always fair, but I learned the hard way. Maybe not all agencies in SL are the same, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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  518. Linda Reddevil Says:

    September 12, 2010 at 9:46 am

    While I agree to some extent with “no ass kissing here” I’ve had to remember that the SL modeling business is a business. If I were a designer or a modeling agency owner it would make sense to have a well-known SL model be in a show. For one thing I’d expect a level of professionalism and attention to detail from the well-known model and, second, they’d draw a crowd which is what I’d want if I were a designer or agency owner.

    However, that’s no comfort to someone like me who is unknown and who is trying hard at getting cast and making a name for myself. I keep telling myself just to be the best I can be and never sacrifice the beliefs and morals I have just to get ahead. That may not be enough but at least I’ll be able to sleep at night.

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  519. no ass kissing here Says:

    September 11, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    ive been in this industry for over a year now and while i do love modeling i have to say that this virtual industry is the most stuck up, conceited and conniving industry to be apart of. while there are some of those who are humble, there are loads of others who have their avatar heads way too far up their own asses and even lots more of those with their lips puckered up to kiss other avatar asses of those who think they are hot shit in sl. i have also slowly realized that its not about how much model schooling one has had and it may be very little about about how good of a model one may be as far as walking, posing and styling ones ass off. its really much more about how much ass one can kiss and how well they can kiss it. i have also acquired tons of model friends and some designers friends as well and lots of them have also become so high on themselves that i really feel that they have lost themselves and forgotten who they really are. the virtual success have gone to their heads and now they are on this high horse forgetting that there is always someone out there who can be just as good or if not better or just maybe can be a even better ass kisser and knock them right on down off their high horses and take their spots. i can remember way back before i started modeling i would hear a lot of people say that lots of sl models think they are high and mighty and stuck up. well now that i have been on the modeling block for some time i can say now that i can really see why a lot of people outside of the industry would think this and they are right. so to any aspiring sl models out there take it from another sl model that if you just love modeling and want to strut your stuff on runway and have fun and not be a sore loser, because u will most likely always lose to the more popular sl model of the moment, then go for it. but if you want to model and be on top of the sl modeling world then you better know the whos who of the industry and you better learn to kiss ass and kiss it well. i am just telling you the truth, it may be sad but its true. see you on the runway

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  520. Anon Says:

    August 31, 2010 at 8:39 am

    I don’t fully agree with you model, schmodel.

    On point 1, a great avatar can be made very cheaply, it has nothing at all to do with how much you spend.

    On point 2, a valid point on professionalism there.

    But there are alot of moels who get where there are by the way of finding out how far up agency CEO’s butts they can get before they are invited on the books.

    Apologies to those that have worked to get where they are, but SL Modeling is so so much about who you know, not what you know.

    Look around you, it is everywhere in “almost” very agency. Mediocrity seems to be highly praised in the industry while people that deserve praise never get it.

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  521. Herra Says:

    August 27, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    I cannot stress this enough about staying out of Sandboxes and other areas with limit control over the activities involved. Please do NOT trust anyone offering you ‘cheap skins’ that were stolen from brand names. I would also suggest not clicking on any boxes they are offering you even if it’s just to investigate what’s in them.

    Once again another model has had her total avatar copy-botted. This is 4 people I have met who have encountered this issue. Nothing is more heart-wrenching then to stand there and see another avatar mirroring your avatar exactly. And all 4 of these women were not doing anything illegal – just happened to be the wrong place at the wrong time.

    One of these potential scammers is Juli Artis. This morning, while I was at Mimi’s Choice chatting with Mimi and Melanie Sautereau. Both of those people left SL while I stuck around online to do some shopping. This scammer approached me in an IM asking if I wanted to buy a box of LAQ-Redgrave-Curio-Lara skins for $400L. (She was on my radar and I saw her standing outside of Mimi’s Choice). Being the inquisitive person that I am and wanting the dirt to report this person on AR, I asked if she would send photos of what she was selling. She kept telling me I could just ‘click on the box’ and suggested I go to a sandbox in order to see more and see what was in the box. Knowing about what had happened to others I said I was not interested and ended the conversation.

    What’s sad is this may have been same person that did an AV copybot on another model a few weeks ago so clearly Linden Labs isn’t doing a fast turn-around on those AR reports.

    So please avoid going to Sandboxes and obviously buying stolen skins. I sent a copy of the entire conversation to SL thru an AR report plus forwarded the message to the owners of Curio, Lara, LAQ, Redgrave and Mimi’s Choice.

    The sad thing is, even though most of us will ban this person from our SIMs, he/she will be back again under a new name. Avoiding sandboxes and clicking on boxes where have no clue their origins are a small way of protecting your Avatar.

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  522. model, schmodel... Says:

    August 23, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    couldn’t agree with you more…this is sl and not rl….ONLY two things matter here

    (1) with modeling as far as looks, it IS just a matter of who can afford to build the best ”barbie”.

    (2) beyond the looks they need to be professional and respectful of others, follow through with the commitments that they themselves choose to make and stop complaining.

    once you hit log on….it’s all roleplaying from there, some just don’t play well with others.

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  523. Barbarella Fuosing Says:

    August 23, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    It is always better to work with the positive rather than negative. When I was modeling more than I do now, I only ever applied for one agency. I was approached by agencies to work for them. Why? Because I was known to be reliable and professional.

    The people that are unreliable will, eventually find themselves asked less and less to model. Doesn’t matter how unique or pretty you are if you fail to turn up or are unprofessional.

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  524. Dolce Enderfield Says:

    August 23, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Let me clarify a bit here just so some of you understand more of what I was truly meaning when I suggested a blacklist.

    If a blacklist was ever created, it would need to be kept under strict requirements and modification.

    Things like “I don’t like her/him” or “We got into an argument” or other conflicts between two (or more) people are NOT grounds for being added to something like a blacklist.

    However, if a model failed to show up for shows that she or she committed to, time after time (like attends the rehearsals, gets the clothes and then disappears) or has been found to be creating unnecessary trouble/drama in agencies or in general…or griefs other places….is a copybotter.

    Stuff like that and of course, other things…but they have to be REAL grounds for ‘blacklisting’ someone…where hiring or working with them would do more damage than good.

    It’s not an opportunity to smear someones name in the mud because you don’t like them or lie about them because they beat you in a competition or because you disagreed, etc.

    Anyways…it’s not happening (at least not by me), so let’s save the room on this page for relevant postings.

    Dolce

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  525. Linda Reddevil Says:

    August 23, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Even though I’m new around the SL modeling world and in AR, I, too, don’t agree with the blacklist. I understand the theory behind it, certainly, but like most things it could get abused for reasons that were mentioned. Something as simple as having a personality clash could find you on a blacklist which has nothing to do with your ability or commitment to a job. And being allowed to voice your side would do no good because each of us will always have allies and/or enemies. I have neither at this point so I’m safe…depending on how you look at it.

    My 10 cents (due to inflation)

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  526. sick & tired Says:

    August 23, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    *gasp* oh no tell me it isn’t true? a blacklist on sl? =O pull up your big girl panties and get over it.. blacklist away.. smh @ all of yall… fyi this is sl not rl.. learn how to separate the two then check yourself

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  527. Melinda Bluxome Says:

    August 16, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Actually no that would not be the purpose, not just anyone would be out on this and Im certain we would have different degrees from people to watch and blah blah blah.

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  528. scarlettloxingly Says:

    August 16, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    You honestly think a blacklist would be fair? You think that just because two personalities don’t get along that that person has the right to black list someone and ruin the reputation of the other person? Just seems like another excuse to bad mouth and belittle those who you think are below you. Why not just stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and just focus on yourself? I don’t know seems like a lot of drama and nonsense would be avoided if people just mind their own damn business.

    Now, that is MY 2 cents.
    Scar

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  529. Melinda Bluxome Says:

    August 16, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Dolce I happen to agree with you a blacklist should be put out in SL, however it would need to be heavily monitored.

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  530. Nave "naive" Fall Says:

    August 8, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Some questions that could be asked before investing in a modeling school to get a feel for how responsive they are. If the owner doen’t communicate well (in a language you speak I mean)or address your inquiry personally that might be a warning signal.

    Testimonials, of people who can’t be tracked down on their website, are less then worthless, which is why AgencyReport makes such a sin of self dealing in here

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

    1) How long has your agency, and training facility, been, continuously, in business?
    2) How many models are in your agency and how people have attended, and graduated, from your school?
    3) Who owns your agency and training facility?
    4) Do you, the owner, personally teach or, merely, hire others to teach the classes they wrote? Does the owner actually write the classes? If not who writes, and owns, your class materials?
    5) Who are your other instructors and what is their modeling and training experience? May I see their bios?
    6) Do you have a Flickr page I can look at about your school and your agency’s shows and models
    7) Have you or your business been reviewed in SL’s media? Where?
    8) Is there an overview of the class topics covered that I can see?
    9) Where are your classes conducted? Do you own a sim?
    10) How many people do you take into your classes typically?
    11) How many hours does your complete series of training classes take? Are there a levels? Basic, advanced elite for example?
    12) What is unique about your classes (if you know that is)?
    13) If I have a problem with something in the class who is responsible for dealing with it?
    14) What designers do you work with actively? Will they be introduced to the students?
    15) Will I be given outfits to wear and style for the graduation show? If there is no graduation show, how will the classes conclude?
    16) Once someone finishes your classes do you actively mentor them? How do you help them get on with their SL modeling careers? Will they be taken into your agency automatically?

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  531. Dolce Enderfield Says:

    August 1, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    *nods* It was just a thought as an alternative to such a pit of hate, lies and rumors that Agency Report allows here. My plan does have several holes and Nave, you are right, they and we all talk to each other (we, as in designers, agency heads, managers, business owners, etc). I have no problem warning those on my friend’s list about a sour apple…and I’m talking an actual sour apple…a person who wants to purposefully go around creating drama or problems or hurting others or who just isn’t reliable or who takes advantage of people and so on. And that’s where a hole is, with other people and even myself. I know that I personally would not go around telling people to stay away from a person if it was just an argument or they quit or…tons of other minor issues that were more or less between that person and I and not some actual problem. And just for the record, I know we have all done that before at times, myself included, so don’t think I’m little Ms. Perfect here.

    Anyways…the hole there is that the situation, coming from someone else, could seem like a legit one, but how do we really know if it really occurred..and the way it occurred and it’s not just some personal vendetta. A lot of people in SL *gasp* just aren’t that honest.

    If anything, I wish that the owner of AR here would regulate things more…moderate comments or at least remove those that are angry, word and hate flinging posts.

    By the way… (don’t you just love my “by the ways”?)..Anrol Anthony is a useless scammer and annoyance and everyone should stay steer clear of Vic Zuzu (stalker..noob…blogger…self acclaimed fashion expert…ass kisser..revenge seeker, etc. Check out his blog and see for yourself)

    Dolce Enderfield
    DEJAVOGUE CEO
    Mohna Lisa Couture Manager

    “I don’t kiss ass. Neither should you…”

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  532. Nave Fall Says:

    August 1, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    I’ve had someone in here attempt to blacklist me. It didn’t work very well because people kept IMing me and asking what the hell her problem was…..

    At the beginning it got to be pretty funny actually. A year later it was just getting tedious and lame beyond belief.

    Sorry Dolce this one will never work for modeling agencies. Getting a bunch of designers hacked off at you will definitely limit your modeling career. Anyone who thinks that designers all hate each other and don’t talk to each other about things that happen to them are sadly misinformed. Attempting to boycott one just wakes some of the others up and gets them asking WTF is going on. Not always what you’d want to have happen.

    I’m just,

    Nave “Naive” Fall

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  533. Anonymous Says:

    August 1, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    *cause

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  534. Anonymous Says:

    August 1, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I think a blacklist would case even more drama than agency report.
    Unless like Caffine said, it is highly monitored but even then it wouldn’t be 100% accurate.
    It all depends on who manages it.

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  535. caffinelover Says:

    August 1, 2010 at 11:59 am

    first i thought there was a blacklist,and if not, and there because one, then yes that will have to be really moderated, and the person who is getting blacklisted should be able to see if there name is on that list, and why is it on that list, it should be explained why the person blacklisted them and so they be able to explain their side.

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  536. Nave "naive" Fall Says:

    July 30, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Dolce said:

    “Oh and…ya know…Nave Fall isn’t a bad guy at all once you get to know him.”

    That’s a lie………..

    I’m mean

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  537. Dolce Enderfield Says:

    July 30, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    What I have found is that it is high time a “blacklist” of sorts, for models and agencies (separate) was created to better advise models, designers, photographers, etc of other models and agencies. It would be basic and truthful….and highly regulated, unlike AR here where anyone can post crap.
    For models, their name would be added to a list when reputable names request it with an actual truthful reason as to why the model is on the list. Bad attitude, doesn’t show up, creates unnecessary drama, etc…all of those and more reason enough. Except for the models names, everything else would be anonymous to avoid drama and only select people can post information to the list as it is given (in other words…a designer or photographer would have to contact me or another moderator in-world and tell us about the situation with a model and then we would either post it or not, for them). Personal vendettas, lies, rumors, backstabbing..etc…won’t be tolerated and the purpose of the list would be not to hurt the model, but maybe open their eyes a bit and also advise others.

    With agencies, pretty much the same applies, but with different reasons. Perhaps you are owed money by an agency…or were scammed somehow…or ..many other reasons. Again, personal attacks/vendettas, drama, etc will not be tolerated and only select few can post to it.
    Just an idea.

    Now…as far as BlackLiquid goes….

    I hired her at DEJAVOGUE late last year, shortly after she graduated CoF. She didn’t show up to a show she was casted in and later, had a bad attitude at rehearsals and was fired/quit on the spot. As anyone in my agency who knows how I work…I have no tolerance for ugly behavior on my team.
    BlackLiquid posted some stuff here about me..I responded back…and then the issue died and we didn’t speak for several months.

    I believe, however that we all make mistakes…we all act somewhat, or a lot inappropriately at times…we all react to situations differently…there are misunderstandings at times. I could go on. But what is important is if you are able to learn from it perhaps…move on…make amends possibly. Strive to improve.

    That’s what BlackLiquid and I did a while back. Had a nice chat with her in IM and we both apologized for the past events and put it behind us.
    She may have a bad attitude at times…but let’s face it…none of us here are perfect, RL or SL. You may be able to look next to perfect in SL, but news flash, that’s about as far as it goes. The only thing that BlackLiquid is really guilty of is being human…and we’re all guilty of that. I read her Flickr comment and I honestly didn’t see much wrong with it. She was upset and voicing her opinions.
    A lot of people are hypocritical here…attacking her, posting your opinions of her posted opinions. So…you’re allowed to post all this crap here…but she’s not allowed to voice her opinions?

    Give
    me
    a
    break!

    SL is world-wide…except in 3rd world countries I suppose..where people come from ALL walks of life. Different personalities, different opinions, different attitudes, different habits, different opinions, different styles, different cope methods, different…different…different. SL is full of diversity and maybe a lot of you need to just…leave, if you can’t handle that.
    When I first started SL..and for quite a while…I expected people to do things the way I wanted them done…understand me when I gave instructions, do things as fast as I do at times, think similar to me, react to situations like me. But then I finally pulled my head out of my ass and realized that that’s never going to happen…not in RL and especially not in SL, so word of advice to you all…get over it and get over yourselves.

    Oh and…ya know…Nave Fall isn’t a bad guy at all once you get to know him.

    Dolce Enderfield
    DEJAVOGUE CEO
    Mohna Lisa Couture Manager

    “I don’t kiss ass. Neither should you…”

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  538. adiva Says:

    July 30, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Good for you Chalice!
    You are the oficial international farter from now on!
    Congratulations! That’s the best a person can achieve!

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  539. Chalice Carling Says:

    July 30, 2010 at 8:07 am

    “Eshi is so good, that she even farts in Oxford Brittish accent”

    Oh gawd that’s nothing. I can fart in 15 languages and 5 dialects of Swahili.

    I love you blackliquid.

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  540. adiva Says:

    July 30, 2010 at 6:20 am

    @Anon, you surely know a lot about what’s going on “backstage”. I don’t, so I only have one thing to say. This is not about trashing any model in particular. In this case, I guess it’d be ok if Blackl didn’t change the text of that foto. I mean, we have to stick to what we think, right?

    I was just reading Fashion Critique more carefully and I guess that’s the point there. The model didn’t have to change the text, about her opinion of that particular contest.

    btw, Blackl has answered Fashion Critique and his answer to her hit the spot again.

    @Molly

    Molly, Eshi is so good, that she even farts in Oxford Brittish accent!

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  541. Anonymouse Says:

    July 30, 2010 at 2:32 am

    First off i have to agree that this site is called “Agency Report” and not “Flame a model because you are jealous of their abilities report”.

    I have known blackLiquid for a long time, and while i agree she has made mistakes she is also a very loving, caring and selfless person.

    The big difference is, i have made mistakes too and so have most people but noone has a personal vendetta against us and has escalated this blog into some kind of virtual lynch mob.

    At the end of the day she only said on her flickr what everyone else that thought the same didnt have the guts to say in public.

    Also you people fail to see the point of the comment, if you were there or have seen the photos, the eventual winner Haidyn Inglewood, oops sorry Federica Gaultier (I mean just look at them, identical shape…hmmm) did have hair and prims out of place and perhaps this was missed by the judges.

    I saw some photos of the eventual winner and can anyone tell me why she is not using a matching nail base for her prim nails, to me this doesnt show exceptional beauty or modelling ability.
    This photo is on the winners flickr page.

    Miss and Mister SuperELITE 2010 is in fact a modelling contest and not a beauty pageant so i do have to wonder why such obvious and important “modelling” attributes were missed.

    No blackLiquid didn’t deserve to win, but neither did Federica on what i saw. I have heard blackLiquid herself state that she was not deserving of winning the contest either.

    Onto a point on using alt characters. Of course we all have the right to use an alt but the question on my mind is why does Haidyn Inglewood need an alt when she is an established and fairly successful SL model? Why is she no longer associated with House of Beningborough? Why is she no longer Head Model at Maniera?
    Don’t people wonder what the answers could be to this? Maybe because she got fed up with losing to blackLiquid time and time again in competition?
    Possibly because it was her poor and unprofessional attitude that started this whole drama.

    So now you all want to publicly lynch someone for speaking her mind, you should all be ashamed.
    What makes you all better than her? Think about it.

    Haidyn, Federica, Avon or whatever other numerous alts you use in order to win voting competitions such as Finesmith Jewelry, you may have all these people fooled but you can stop delighting in the fact that people on here are bashing blackLiquid. Because you don’t have everybody fooled, and your own bad character will soon come to surface.

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  542. Molly Says:

    July 30, 2010 at 2:14 am

    Second life is a game and you can easily understand wich kind of people is hidden behind the avatar.
    If you are a kind and clever person this comes out and the same at the opposite.
    I don’t mind about the model in the matter and i personally think she’s one of the millions avatar in the game but i laugh when i read and see abouit this attitude .
    Who act like a diva in a game surely has a very poor life in rl.
    Who spend all the real life on a game instead to take care of children and husband must be burned out.
    Who’s not able to manage a game and burns her/ his head needs a doctor.
    I’m not a model in SL but i know this world from almost 5 years and only with the new models gen we start to see this kind of sad dramas.
    I think is time to see SL taking away the dust from eyes.
    I also want to say i never thought to read such a disgusting comment as the ones of E. surely you didn’t studied in Oxford …..
    What an elegant lady…………..

    Apologies, i’m from Latvia and english is not my main language

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  543. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    First let me say I respect all opinions. And I respect whether the person ads their name or not. But there comes a time when you go too far and you lose common sense.

    First let me make this clear, I don’t know BlackLiquid Toktoska. Never spoken to her. Never worked with her.

    In all honesty some of you are wrong to listen to a person and refuse to buy Hair, Clothing, Skins, or whatever the item may be all because it is associated with Blackliquid in a photograph. All you are doing is hurting the designer who put their time and effort into making something for everyone. To punish a dress maker over the attitude of a model is uncalled for. They may have not known that THAT particular model had a very large ego. Then again they may have felt that she may have been the right person for the job at that moment despite the holier than thou attitude.

    Now let’s be honest with one another. Second Life is nothing more than a medium of entertainment. For some it means coming in as a social network and they are content with that. For others it is to create bonds and relationships they don’t have in Real Life. Much like that fool in Japan who married his Nintendo DS girlfriend when Japan the country itself is having a man shortage and not enough children are being born. But for a select few that got picked on in HIGH SCHOOL and haven’t gotten over it they see SL as the place were they can be the ALMIGHTY whatever it is and carry on with their attitude until something or someone comes along and knocks them on their ass.

    And that is exactly what Miss Virtual World did. BlackLiquid was not the only one with the Attitude. And those like her who didn’t win have followed in those footsteps and walked out of SL. And your right I am sure they have NEW AVIS and are gunning for the title again but there are some who needed the kick in the ass.

    Quite frankly it is sad though. The ones that walked away carry with them valuable knowledge on MVW that could be shared for those with dreams of being the next winner.

    I remember when I faced some criticism over defending Anastasia of OPIUM when a real life health condition was made public news here in Agency report by a person who had been angry with her and OPIUM. I had a few contact me in world under the impression something personal existed between her and I.

    Then I learned Nave Fall who at times had been very vocal on his opinions of Anastacia Markova become a victim of a sudden illness. One that was noticed by a colleague and by the grace of God did the amazing thing that I do believe saved his life. They say you never truly understand someone until you walk in their shoes. Now both Anastacia and Nave are still recovering and if you all noticed there has been a very attractive calm to Agency Report

    I wish nothing but the best of Health for them both. And they have expressed the same respect in return of my wife Jenna and her health.

    As for the actions of the SUPER MODEL DIVAS those we cannot change. When one comes down there will be another one to take their place. It is just how the world rolls.

    I will work with anyone, even if there is difference from the past or they are very new I will work with anyone. SLCritique wrote a very good article. But many of you should not be shocked by what was written. It is just plain and simple honesty. People that get too involved with themselves will eventually weed themselves out. Maybe what happened humbled Blackliquid in both worlds. Maybe she said ok new avi this time I try harder and maybe I need to check my attitude. Maybe she said screw it all and is hanging out on IMVU or THERE. Who cares?

    But all in all what I am trying to say is don’t immediately punish those associated with her for her error in judgment and approach to people. And those of you acquainted with her keep in mind that a little kindness goes a long way. The bridges she may have burned could be the ones keeping you at bay. You might make a good friend and a good business partner were you both may become successful.

    I will see you all around SL sometime.

    Johnathan Hiess

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  544. Anonymous Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    I didn’t forbid anything, I guess you don’t understand simple English perhaps I should speak slower. The point,again, is that this is AGENCY Report,so your personal feelings about a particular model are irrelevent. Does it somehow make you feel good about yourself to put someone else down, to trash someone, to criticize someone.I didn’t turn anything, I merely stated that I don’t care about personal feelings about MODELS.I want to know about agencies and issues with them- the fact that you don’t like a model or however many people don’t like her- is not what this site is supposed to be about. Grow up if you think publicly discussing and creating a tiny lynch mob is the way to go about life. Are you still in Junior High or what? I don’t like lynch mobs and if any of you do then I feel sorry for you.

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  545. Eshi Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    farting can be fun, and we all do it 😀

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  546. human being Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Please excuse me, I should have known that you fart sensitive 🙂

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  547. Eshi Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    I am both sensitive and relatively educated – at least to the point where I can distinguish between a discourse that has a purpose and discourse that has no purpose. Most trash people post about each other anonymously serves only one purpose – to piss someone off and not be held accountable. Which is cowardly.

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  548. human being Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    I thought that someone who produces creative dresses is a sensitive and educated person. This view must i change when i read Eshi. This language is disgusting and comes from the lowest level. But well, it looks about to fit.

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  549. Eshi Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    @adiva – no. I am by no means a supreme being – but, when it comes to expressing my opinion – I am not a pussy and I am not scared to sign it.

    But I have to say that your level of communication is on the lever of an adolescent –

    “What Eshi?” – what kind of a question is this?

    “Does it mean that signing your name here makes you the supreme person on earth and you are the best?” – here you are stuffing something I never insinuated into my mouth.

    “Give me a break!” – this sentence I last said in high school

    “Hey, you know what? People aren’t afraid of you!” – Again, who ever said anyone is or should be afraid of me?

    This is not a pissing match between you and I – from what I know I have no unresolved pissing matches past or present with anyone in SL so unless you are ready to come out and debate something with me and SIGN IT and STAND BEHIND it…really….*farts*

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  550. human being Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Who are you Anonymous? Do you think you have the right to forbid anything? Come down and try again.

    You can turn it like you want, fact is that blackliquid is neither popular nor an exceptional model. She is average with a very bad Diva attitude.
    Exactly this attitude breaks her leg.

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  551. Anonymous Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    I think you are missing the point here- AGENCY Report is about reporting on agencies. It isn’t called Model Report or Slam a Model Report.What gives any of you the right to attack, discuss, criticize or comment on another model’s behavior? If a model behaves inappropriately either ignore it, talk about it with your friends privately or get your own blog, but don’t think everyone who comes here to get information about agencies cares about your personal feelings about another model.Because I, for one don’t. Get a life already and grow up some of you.

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  552. Thankful Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Thank you to Starwalkers 2010 group for taking care of SL models. Thank you especially to Nave Fall and Sabine Blackburn who are not afraid to stand up that models should be treated fairly. There are some agencies and designers out there that take advantage of models and abuse them. On the other hand, there are also lots of agencies and designers who support models and we all should support them in return. Models and Fashionistas are the biggest buyer of clothing and SL fashion brands. We deserve to be treated with respect.

    It made me smile to see Sabine’s post today at Starwalkers. TYSM.

    It has come to my ears that there are agencies in this group that post castings and shows and they DON’T PAY their models. So one more time here are the rules for agencies that wish to post in StarWalkers. AND to WRITE OUTFITDESCRIPTIONS is NOT the job of the models!
    DO YOU THINK THE MODELS ARE YOUR SLAVES OR WHAT?
    I hear one more thing like this from these agencies (and you know who you are) and I will personally give you a free ride out of here at 0L$. I hope you go this 🙂

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  553. Regina Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    People had reactions to the post on Fashion Critique’s blog, very natural. Fashion Critique’s blog is not a blog that hurls insults, it is a blog that offers criticism constructively…maybe clear the air on that…:). Coming to blackliquid’s comment on flickr, blackliquid did all that herself, choosing not to utilize privacy options, thereby making her comments visible to the entire public…surely, she did not expect every reaction to her comment to be in her favor :)…nevertheless many SL contests are flawed, maybe there is a little justification to blackliquid’s take on this contest, but then, would her “opinion” have been the same if she had won the contest? 🙂

    While some of the comments on blackliquid have been negative, they do not seem uncalled for, neither should they be unexpected. Some of the comments supporting blackliquid on the other hand are extremely vile, and if I was blackliquid, I would not seek this kind of support or associate myself with the countenance of the person making the comment. This person asking for names and calling people pussies,what exactly have your comments achieved? What exactly do you plan to do with these names if you have them? Have you thought about how your comment has portrayed you as a person? Charm School 🙂

    I agree with the comments that suggest there are certainly other important things going on SL, nevertheless every person is responsible for his/her conduct 🙂

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  554. Might as well be Anon too Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Wow, this is why Agency Report is going downhill and fast.

    The original concept in the beginning was good. A chance to post about agencies that scam or agencies that you recommend.

    Instead it’s filled with vile,hateful people who have nothing else better to do than to rag about another model.

    Is Blackliquid a saint? Probably not in fact there aren’t too many saints in SL modeling. Is Blackliquid the Demon Spawn of Satan in SL, the way all these anon. posters make her out to be – hell no! She’s human, and the many times I’ve worked with her I’ve never had any issues with the girl. If anything she’s a perfectionist when it comes to details and sometimes that is her achilles heel when she’s in competition and sees others who make mistakes. But she has always been a nice person to me and trust me, I have nothing in SL to offer her. I don’t design, I don’t run an agency and as a model I’m average. I just come to have fun in SL and hang with my friends.

    I implore the owner of Agency Report to please please please return to what the format was to be about – about feedback on agencies NOT catfights on models.

    Thank you!

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  555. adiva Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 10:42 am

    BFangirl, the rest of us have nothing to do with frenemies or if people decide to leave SL and come back with another account.
    That’s between the two ppl in question. And it sure doesn’t count in any model contest, right? Is that what all this was about? Blackliquid was pissed off because the winner of the contest was her enemy, with a new sl account? You must be joking!

    Blackliquid should understand that not all the world moves around her. Federica won – no matter who she is. I’m sure that this was not the reason why Blackliquid didn’t win.

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  556. B Fangirl Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 9:26 am

    one thing you can absolutely say about blackLiquid is she’s got some guts. She’s sticking it out as herself. She hasn’t run off and re=appeared like her old House of Beningborough frenemy Haidyn Inglewood did. Haidyn pulled the now classic, I’m leaving Sl maneuver and then came back as “new” model Federica Galtier or whatever her name is, Miss SuperElite Summer whiner and ass-istant to Romeo Torvalar, the SFL entrepreneur and skin maker (what ever happened to those skins we were all going to be amazed by Romeo?). What a joke.

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  557. adiva Says:

    July 29, 2010 at 3:08 am

    What Eshi? Does it mean that signing your name here makes you the supreme person on earth and you are the best? Give me a break! Hey, you know what? People aren’t afraid of you!

    I’m anonymous, will remain anonymous whenever I like, wherever I like. Who the hell are you to come here with a SL name, that we all can trace to a RL person you do your best to show off(I watched a youtube video of you in RL in SLCC, among other things) to say the last word? oh you won’t!!! You want to be known? You’re free to do so. People want to be anonymous? We are free to do so.

    You want to show off? Show off, but don’t even think that you scare people, cause you don’t!

    Everybody has friends, Blackliquid is your friend. We all can see that. Stop with the attitude! You don’t scare people, is that clear, whoever you are!

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  558. Eshi Otawara Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    if your ‘voices’ and/or opinions weren’t a load of garbage about each other – you wouldn’t be chickenshit to sign your name under your comments. Shame on all of you.

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  559. ANON... like everyone else Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Why is it that everyone is so interested in what Blackliquid is doing?

    So what if she ranted about a modeling competition and then removed it?

    Did anyone really read what she wrote? perhaps she did have some valid points she was making? or perhaps not who cares?

    Why is it that so many people care what FC has to say? she is just an ANON blogger… as valid as any other ANON poster here!

    News Flash!! BlackLiquid removed the post anyway so really it’s a non issue people.

    Why is it that the world stops for Blackliquid? At this rate we will need to make a page on AR just for her!

    I think we all need to focus on far more important issues.

    Lets face it it’s a sad fact that SL models DO NOT have a voice or a chance to have share their opinions without being ripped to shreds we all know unless we are ANON.

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  560. Eshi Otawara Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Come on you pussies – sign your names under your comments – you damn straight know that your puckered up asses are too scared of what people may say about YOU if you signed your names under your crap. TSSSSSSSSS……

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  561. Anonymous Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    And yes, I have read blackLiquid’s words. But I have also read someone who was advicing agencies not to hire her. And designers not to work with her. And be it fair or not, that is trashing to me, yes. Not better than what blackLiquid did. Maybe worse.

    However I agree with Aghast. There is so much nasty around, that blackLiquid’s episodes are like water off a duck’s back. And the fact that all that nasty is private and not posted on a flickr’s page, doesn’t make it less important, related to the consequences it has anyway.

    Sorry for being so long, but I hope my point is clear now.

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  562. Anonymous Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Ohplease, I was not questioning blackLiquid’s behaviour. That is just not my businness. I have an opinion about it, of course, but I don’t feel this desperate desire of ask people to boycot everything related to someone. I find it a bit pathetic honestly. I think that the agencies and the designers she has problems with (I don’t even know all these facts, probably because I am not that involved in SL fashion as you are) will know how to deal with that.

    However, my original point was: isn’t FC trashing agencies and models in every single post, in public? Aren’t you supporting someone who is doing exactly the same thing of blackLiquid (and even worse is anon), which in your own words is distasteful and wrong?

    I admit it, a couple of times I have agreed with FC too. The difference anyway is that I didn’t come here trying to destroy everything related to that post I agreed with. And I repeat it, although I think blackLiquid should have avoided that, I still think that agencies or designers will know what to do with her.

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  563. Aghast Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    There are lots of equally nasty divas out there besides blackLiquid that could be ripped at teeth and claws. Vilifying her is so easy for all of you. You’re like a pack of hyenas with the scent of blood in your noses.

    She wants to win and gets mad when she loses. So what? That’s abnormal? Since when? She’s a perfectionist and expects other people to be as committed as she is. That’s bad?

    If we start dissecting the divas in here it’s gonna get really fugly. Some of SL’s most notable agency owners will be first to undergo the autopsy knives and have their entrails walked through.

    blackLiquid is far from the worst in here. At least she stabs you in the front.

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  564. Oh please Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    I don’t think Fashion Critique made her look like Satan. blackLiquid did it all by herself. Did you see what she actually wrote about SE Supersearch and the winner?

    “Finding this hair was the only thing worthwhile being involved in Miss SE competition this summer. A competition where winner had hair slicing through her body really lacks quality control for me… blah blah blah”

    Fashion Critique didn’t write that; blackLiquid did on her own flicker account. Her lack of manners is a consistent trait that has been reported time and time again not only with other models, but with designers as well. I don’t understand how a model with this attitude can get anywhere; let alone reach “top” model status. I am not sure why everyone tolerates this bad behavior from her; especially when this trait is shown again and yet again.

    and while everyone probably does have a ranting moment in PRIVATE. To trash an agency and the winner PUBLICLY because you lost is just distasteful and wrong. I usually don’t agree with SL fashion critique, but in this instance; I agree with her 100%.

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  565. Anonymous Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    I personally don’t think that boycotting is a good way of solving things. Let’s also keep in mind that she is not only with Modavia but with Boulevard Agency, Miss Virtual World 2011 as Miss Thailand, and many other important SL agencies which you can see on her profile. So quite an impossible mission to boycott. ^^

    I have not appreciated blackLiquid’s behavior. However, I have not even appreciated the fact that Fashioncritique, who is someone criticising everyone behind ANONIMITY (which is worse), makes her look like Satan. We all have ranting moments. It is not an excuse and if I was in blackLiquid I would avoid that from now on to keep a good reputation. However, in a way or another, you (we?) all are here giving this episode more importance than it deserves. Aren’t we?

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  566. Unfortunate Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 7:51 am

    It is very unfortunate that bad attitude is rewarded in SL modelling industry. It seems that kindness and humility are not the qualities to have as a model in SL. Everyone knows that blackLiquid has a bad attitude but she continues to climb up in the fashion industry including being a Modavia Supermodel recently. I think we all can make a difference if we don’t support brands/agencies that tolerate this type of behavior.

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  567. Julya Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 6:24 am

    Shame,
    all she needs is to hide away.
    When she feels lost and unsure she poofs away
    and she’s only able to talk bad against people more skilled and beautiful( a lot of)
    I saw the SE contest and the winner was awesome.
    Question:
    Are the judges all silly?
    Answer:
    NO the silly are those who still hire bad attitude models

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  568. omg Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 5:22 am

    I can’t see this face anymore. For me she is a reason for NOT buing clothes with her on an Ad because the designer accepts her behaviour!

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  569. william C. Says:

    July 28, 2010 at 5:14 am

    Some models must stop thinking they are the “centre of the Universe”
    the worse looser is who’s not able to loose with dignity.
    The model in the matter stalked for days the winner of the competition mentioned in the blog and now she has the courage also to talk against her.
    This is horrible.
    A smile works better than jelousy, is more elegant and gives positivity. Think about it

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  570. Anonymous Says:

    July 27, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Look at what SL Fashion Critique says about blackLiquid Tokyoska! OMG!

    http://fashioncritiquesl.blogspot.com/2010/07/model-competitions-in-sl-models.html

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  571. LMAO Says:

    July 16, 2010 at 11:30 am

    urban dictionary Says:

    July 13, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    Social Fruitfly –

    Like a social butterfly, without any charm or beauty. An unwanted pest.

    -Nave is a social fruitfly. All he does is talk and never does any work.-
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  572. urban dictionary Says:

    July 13, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Social Fruitfly –

    Like a social butterfly, without any charm or beauty. An unwanted pest.

    -Nave is a social fruitfly. All he does is talk and never does any work.-

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  573. LOL-Wtf? Says:

    June 30, 2010 at 10:15 am

    So it seems Madame Donnatella Couturier has been knocked off her throne at Deja Vu by Lindsay Stratten, you know, the one who just dissapears into thin air when she feels like it. Couldn’t help but wonder, Donnatella seems to have taken all Deja Vu models with her to make a new company with her as CEO, well good on you donna! Take with you,what you earned!

    THE FAB LOL-WTF? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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  574. Vichonette Says:

    June 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Wow… I just now saw this, and thank GOD for bossy bosses! Take care of yourself, Nave. We need you here for a long, long, loooonnnnnnng time!

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  575. Kimmera Madison Says:

    June 26, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Smiles at Nave, I’m glad I was there too! As to my screaming, I did not scream, I bossed you around till you finally called 911…it’s my job to boss you around and I do it happily LOL

    Anyway, in all seriousness, Strokes can be devistating and I am thankful I was able to help in any way I could.

    Kisses

    I’m Just,

    Naves Bossy Woman 😉

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  576. QueenBrat Bracken Says:

    June 26, 2010 at 5:18 am

    Wow, I’m sorry you had to go through that Nave and glad you are doing better now. Thank you to Kimmera for recognizing that there was a problem and telling you to get help.Take good care of yourself, we need you around for a long time.

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  577. Chalice Carling Says:

    June 24, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Ooooo I just read this Nave. That is just horrible and I hope you are improving day by day. Thank God that you were talking at the time and that Kimmera knew something was wrong, directing you to get help.

    Now’s the time to let go of any stress and chill out. Take care.

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  578. Morgane Batista Says:

    June 24, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    wow nave, i’m happy to hear your safe, thanks for telling us. may you have a long life.

    and to kimmera, great job on this, to have seen it that way.

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  579. navefall Says:

    June 12, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    In another thread someone asked where I’ve been lately. I appreciate that individual’s interest (????) in what I’ve been up to. I’ll share a bit of my own RL drama for all of you to keep in mind.

    Several weeks ago, on a Thursday afternoon, about 2 SLT, I was working on the introduction for that night’s Model’s Workshop guest speaker Giselle Temple with Kimmera when I had a stroke…………. I’ve recovered 99% as far as I can tell so those of you who fervently wish me struck dead will have to wait a bit longer.

    But back to the story…….. I didn’t feel a thing. No headache no nothin. Kim, however. heard my voice suddenly change. I started slurring and well, she,

    ummmmm

    errrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Flipped out on me. SCREAMING at me to take my cell phone and call 911 – NOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!! So I’m very lucky to have had her there when it happened because with strokes you are on the clock to get it treated FAST. I didn’t know I’d had a stroke. I swear to god.

    Let me explain F A S T:

    FAST is a fairly loose acronym, and the letters only correlate to a few symptoms of stroke. These are facial paralysis, arm weakness, and speech difficulties. The “T” in FAST is often translated as “time to act fast.” Others interpret the “T” as “test all symptoms.” The first interpretation is used by the Stroke Foundation of Australia, and for most laypeople, it’s probably best to remember the first definition. It is definitely essential to act quickly by contacting emergency services if a stroke is suspected.

    Each letter in the FAST acronym deserves a little further explanation. “F” in FAST is facial paralysis, a common symptom of stroke. Asking the person to smile can easily test this. If they cannot smile, or the mouth appears to droop on one side, this indicates possible stroke. People experiencing a stroke may also have difficulty swallowing.

    The “A” in FAST stands for arm weakness. One arm or leg may be paralyzed or more difficult to move. You can quickly test this by asking a person with suspected stroke to raise both arms. If the person can only raise one arm, or the arms cannot be raised to the same level, stroke is a possible cause.

    “S” in FAST is for speech difficulties. People who have just suffered a stroke may have slurred or incomprehensible speech. A massive stroke can translate quickly to inability to speak. Asking a person a few questions can normally determine whether speech is impaired.

    Time to act FAST related to the “T,” means it’s important to seek medical attention immediately.

    So that little event took a few days out of my life. I have been CAT-scanned, MRId, ultra-sounded and sucked dry for tests. The Doctors can’t explain it. Strokes can hit anyone at any age. When they happen getting help IMMEDIATELY is critical.

    So there you have my recent story…………

    Thank you Kim, if you hadn’t been there I’m not really sure what would have happened that day. If I’d laid down and taken a nap, I think I’d be in a wheelchair.

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  580. DoNotWantToBeFlamed Says:

    May 16, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Ok this last video *is* very funny, however I must say this website is *not* accomplishing it’s stated purpose to “help Second Life Models make informed decisions on modeling agencies, modeling schools, modeling contests…” With a very few exceptions, all that this website is, is a place to air dirty laundry, flame each other and generally be mean-spirited and petty. It is very unfortunate because the founding concept is a good one, and having such a place where we could exchange information in a respectful and professional manner would be very helpful to models and an asset to the modeling industry and those who need and employ models. The only solution I can see is for everyone drop their personal gripes, put the community’s interest before your own and start using this forum of what its’ founders had in mind. If we cannot bring ourselves to do this, maybe this site needs to be rethought, moderated or otherwise radically reworks, because at this point I think it is doing more harm than good. And yes I do feel obliged to post this anonymously because this environment is so negative I do not want to be at the brunt of someone’s personal vendetta, if this gives anyone a reason to disregard this post so be it.

    Peace

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  581. Oluc Naffav Says:

    May 16, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Dolce, mon amour, this song is for you :p

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  582. DeJaVogue Says:

    May 15, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Today, one of my models was in a show with Gems and Kisses RFL show and I said I would attend. I got there a bit before the show started and within about a minute, was ejected by an object called “Defender” saying I was ejected for not respecting personal space.

    At first, I thought this was just some “pushing” script that boots people if you bump into others, which as we all know, in a fashion show, its bound to happen. So I managed to get back up to the building for the show and found a seat..sat down, said hello to a few others…and what do you know…was ejected in about 5 minutes of being there.

    I notified…I think Kiara is her name of it and she had no idea why that was happening and contacted management for me and then I IMed Deliziosa Vendetta to politely let her know of the problem. She replies back saying hello, she doesn’t have time now (I was aware of that) but we can speak after the show and I am on her ban list. I told her very well and that it was a shame I’m banned since I was trying to come watch one of my models in the show and that I will IM her after it ends.
    Then, she comes back to say that she doesn’t have time now or after and that I am now muted. Hmmmm
    I know all too well that I’m banned because I chose to speak my mind here against them.

    So, I leave it alone and go on with my day. Being banned from a business ran by people with heads too far up their own butts doesn’t hurt me in the slightest, but I think that in regards to business..banning is really only necessary if a person poses a direct threat to the business or person, such as griefing, or death threats, or being obnoxious on site…etc. I had never spoken to either of them except on here and it was my first time visiting their property. One would also think that for a charity event…the idea is to get people there…not keep them away. I could have been a big supporter for the charity…but they’ll never know now.

    So anyways…about an hour later, Franco Bloch IM’s me and says that Deliziosa told him that I had problems teleporting there and the reason for it is because they have an anti-copybot script there that kicks people and if I’m not the first, then I’m the second.
    Let me see here…

    I rightfully own everything I am wearing. ETD hair, I paid for…Prim Optik Glasses, paid for…Prism Haute Couture outfit..given to me by the designer…LAQ skin I paid for, shape I made, boots I purchased at Thalias, eyes were standard SL eyes that I adjusted to suit me. My AO is from Vista that I paid for and then tweaked and all the animations inside are what I paid for from various places. My dance huddles I paid for from EZ Animations. My oversized Prim Rezzer I bought on Xstreet. My couple hugger I bought…

    Franco…you lied and you know it.

    So I told him I didn’t have problems teleporting…that I was ejected by the “Defender” object and he says yes, and that he thinks I know why. I then also tell him that everything I am wearing I rightfully own and that while its his property and he has a right to ban anyone he wants…banning someone for a reason like he has for me, is just stupid and poor business practice. (I dislike them both, but I don’t have them banned)

    He goes on to tell me that it was unfair to comment on this site without knowing people and that I am a drama queen or KING and ciao. After a few minutes, he comes back to say that its a shame that I disturbed people when they are busy with a charity event. I let him know that I IMed Delizioso BEFORE the show started and then HE IMed me later. After that, while he was busy typing up some crap response, I told him I was putting him on mute and bye. (and I did).

    My purpose for sharing this? Because these two are nothing but superficial bobble heads who can’t take the heat. If anyone disagrees with them, they are banned.

    I hope that those involved with these …insert name here…, as talented as they may be…watch their backs and say very little, or else they’ll throw a temper tantrum and ban you too.

    Toodles!

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  583. Regina Says:

    May 14, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Strong and Burly, hopefully a word is enough for the wise 🙂

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  584. anon Says:

    May 12, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    The MVW modeling academy never – unlike one model training institute – claims to give a degree – the students get a certificate when they graduate. Please if you are going to comment here – get your facts straight. (Probably a laughable concept on this site).

    Besides – although the first amount you mentioned is ridiculous – whatever anyone chooses to spend their money on in SL is their business.

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  585. Strong and Burly Says:

    May 12, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Bravo Regina hopefully it will shock a few back to the real world “mom get your fat ass off the PC and make us our dinner “

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  586. Regina Says:

    May 7, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    I just had to comment after I saw that someone allegedly spent $130,000L to win a contest in the Classic with Style thread, a virtual contest…about 500 US dollars… to win a virtual contest…and for what? What value has this added to your real life? Has it changed anything for you? Has it created real life opportunities for you? Is this contest going to make you wealthy in your real life?

    I think it is unfortunate that people create contests like this to prey on insecurities and unsuspecting people…while the contestants toil, neglect aspects of their real life and spend money to win something that is not real, the organizers of these contests are meanwhile seated comfortably behind their computers counting the cash coming in to their pockets. It’s even sadder that people will allow themselves to be used in this way and defend the treatment being given to them.

    Fashion Critique made a post about some “certificates” for “degrees” being awarded by Frolic Mills and Kay Fairey (Fashion Critique ended up with an ominous threat for blogging about this). Degrees for what in the first place? Can this degree get you something in real life? Do you have this certificate and if you had it, would you show it to your family? Wave it to them and say: “see this is what i spent all this time on the computer earning”? There is even news that some courses in these schools can get you a ‘Masters, PhD, etc degree’…and for what? 40,000L on a school and degree that isn’t real…about 160 US Dollars on on a school and degree that isn’t real..and for what? What do you have to show for it? What does this add to your life? All this time,money, energy and peace of mind spent in a virtual place, using real money on concepts that are not real, meanwhile someone somewhere is comfortably getting your money.

    There is something wrong with this picture. 🙂

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  587. DejaVu. DejaVogue Who cares? Says:

    May 1, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Who REALLY cares if it’s Deja Vu or DejaVogue?

    Neither Deja Vu or DejaVogue are REALLY of any consequence to anyone except in their deluded leaders self-inflated, ego-driven, opinions.

    Donnatella’s egocentricity surpasses the volume of the grid. Jersey/Dolce’s attention needs are self evident to the most casual observer. They should both have avatars with HUGE heads, wear titlers that say “Kneel vermin” and wear brightly colored uniforms, with jodhpurs, riding boots and crops to slash at people with. What are their claims to fame built on anyway? Not much of anything. I’d like to read the list of accomplishments they both claim to have.

    So, ladies, any model who chooses one of you over the other deserves what they get, and still has nothing to brag about, or worth mentioning on their profiles.

    If either of you do something worth mentioning, maybe people’s opinions will be revised in the future. I’m not holding my breath.

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  588. Vichonette Says:

    May 1, 2010 at 4:01 am

    Dejavogue said:

    “Actually, I didn’t say that if you get the sour treatment, you can walk away into an alt. I think that was Vich.”

    Nope… wasn’t me. Was modelexiled, I believe. Just setting the record straight. *smiles*

    Vich

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  589. Babydoll Says:

    May 1, 2010 at 3:38 am

    If you really dont want someone to work again just AR them for being underage seen it doneto people and the onus of proof is on the person being accused.
    Most don’t come back seen a lot of tall poppies get cut down

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  590. Model's Advocate Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Blackballed? Get real.

    Someone can not like you and they may even diss you to anyone who will listen. The simple fact is that there are people who will hire you just to piss off that other person. Which is pretty funny actually.

    Of course there are some who manage to piss off a lot of people all at once and get their asses in a crack. They have no one to blame but themselves for their victimized situations although they surely blame everyone but themselves because that is what victims do. They whine.

    SL model’s blacklist? Not a chance

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  591. DeJaVogue Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Actually, I didn’t say that if you get the sour treatment, you can walk away into an alt. I think that was Vich.

    If you get the sour treatment…well…theres always the mute button.

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  592. Regina Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Anonymous posts aren’t usually the vitriolic posts from what I have seen so far. When a valid point is raised, there is usually a case of unscrupulous management and cronies flooding the site with comments that have nothing to do with the valid point that was made…maybe it’s a good distraction away from the shortcoming that was highlighted, to descend to disparaging critics and accuse them of slander, jealousy and all atrocities of the world 🙂

    Many times, these careless officials have threatened their critics directly and indirectly, you only need to review agency report to see some of these threats. Jersey/Dejavogue has said in her comment that if you get the sour treatment due to a post that is attributed to you, you should just walk away into an alt…as if that is simple for everyone to do and as if everyone has the time for alts when there is a real world out there 🙂

    Simple intelligence is enough to know the necessity of anonymity, anonymous criticism isn’t an idea that originated on agency report, its importance is valued all over the world. If this site has become too “petty” for you, look elsewhere 🙂

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  593. DeJaVogue Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Because some people, like me, are everlasting wordy.

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  594. modelexiled Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    and another thing… why are some posts everlastingly long?

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  595. DeJaVogue Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    I have to say I agree with Vich and Herra. I also have my own opinions, which shouldn’t shock anyone.

    One, how you act and what you say, how you treat others and your jobs, WILL have an affect on you in regards to jobs in SL, just like RL. If you are a pain in the ass to work with, then you will gain that reputation and it will be hard to find work, if not impossible.

    On the other hand (yes, I know, I have 5 fingers), if you do your jobs to the best of your ability, take it seriously (but have fun too), are honest, easy to work with…you aren’t going to have a hard time finding work.

    Now, it is in my opinion, that if something wrong occurred with an agency you were involved in and it wasn’t able to be resolved peacefully directly with that agency or they refuse to see their wrong doing (and they are actually wrong…not just you being angry because you didn’t get your way), then of course, yes, this site is a great place to voice that incident. Leave the angry words and mud flinging alone and just state the facts. And…state your name. I have a hard time taking seriously ANY comment posted anywhere that is anonymous. Obviously, you had a bad time with this agency and chances are VERY high that you aren’t there anymore…and if you are telling the truth…then why hide behind anonymity (spelling, I know)? You can mute people in SL, you can block e-mails, you can ban people. With all those options…other than being “afraid” that others will not like you or what…what is the problem?

    I’ll tell you a problem. In my agency, and I know in many other agencies, I notice that more than not, if one or two things go wrong with the agency or a particular model…a model leaves without a word. Its always been my belief that my models are free to leave at anytime, for whatever reason. They aren’t my prisoners or under an exclusive contract with DeJaVogue. However, too many models give up and/or walk away the moment something goes wrong instead of having a backbone and talking (to the right person(s) ) about whats going on and how to resolve it.
    “Something went wrong in the show…so I’m going to leave.” or “The agency owner had me do something I wasn’t prepared to do, so I’m going to leave.” or “I didn’t know my job included all that, so I’m going to leave.”

    Models…and agency staff…and any other staff out there..we are all adults…so what is up with not acting like it? Not saying I’m perfect or always mature, but let me say here that the key to any successful relationship/business..whatever, is open and clear communication.

    If something went wrong or you felt slighted or not prepared, etc…TALK TO WHO YOU NEED TO. Be willing to work through problems and accept that others will make mistakes from time to time that may or may not involve you. Just don’t clear your desk and leave or thats going to happen to you over and over and over. But, even if you do decide you just want to leave, whether because of a problem or…you want to quit, whatever…tell whoever it is you need to, that you are leaving. No, that doesn’t mean going and telling your best friend that you left or all the models in the agency that you left. It means telling the manager or agency head or director, that you are leaving. If its because of an issue or problem…tell them. If they want to blow up and act like a child because of it, let them, but at least you did the right thing.
    When people want to leave my agency, I do want to know why and I do track them down and ask if they left without a word. I don’t fly off the handle…I don’t disregard the situation…I don’t ban them or attack them. Its a learning experience. If a model left because lets say…they felt I ignored them and pushed them aside…well, the thing is…thats how they felt, whether I did or didn’t do that. What I can do now is take it into consideration and try to make sure that I don’t make others feel that way.

    If I fire a model, depending on what happened, I may or may not take them back later and I may put them on a public “Do not hire” list. If a model leaves on their own and lets me know that they are and why, I will most likely take them back later if they wish to come back. If a model leaves on their own and doesn’t let me know, I do add them to a public “Do not hire” list and I will not take them back later.

    Getting back to whatever it is I’m posting about…do what you need to do to let others know of agencies that are sour apples, but do it in a way that doesn’t make you look like the one thats sour. Don’t participate in the crap bantering that goes on…avoid posting here in general unless its to rant or rave about an agency that you’ve actually had a good or bad experience with (and come on…signing with the agency or being in their group but not doing anything doesn’t count as experience). This is not the Model Report, so knock it off with the slandering of models in SL (better yet, just…stop with the slandering completely).

    Don’t be afraid to sign your name. Not signing it…then it either isn’t true, or theres a lot of missing information (its easy to post something against a business when you’re angry and only include things that make you look good and them bad). Telling people here about a bad experience that actually happened with an agency that was never resolved (and meaning, you did try to resolve it) isn’t going to put you on a black list in SL…I’m sorry, but thats not true. Chances are, you won’t be allowed back in that agency, but you can get work elsewhere. At the same time..don’t kid yourself into thinking that agencies need you. Just as there are tons of agencies out there, there are even more models…and when you leave, your spot is almost instantly filled by someone else. That is a reality of it.

    And now I’m off my soapbox.

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  596. modelexiled Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    lol and I see exactly what goes on here which is an equivalent as to why anonymous posts are discredited.

    Posting anonymous bashing someone else’s post is quite a waste of time and stupid.

    Posting anonymous giving an honest critique about an agency etc, or a person is completely different if called for.

    If you’re going to put down someone else’s post/comment at least do it in a classy way.. that is respectful.

    and being blacklisted… It happens countless times, but no one is immune to it. Some people recover from it and others just either make alts or disappear from second life all together.

    Just know that a personality plays a big part in the way things play you for you.

    Restoring order.
    Exiled.

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  597. Vichonette Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    *smiles*

    Naive? Hardly. YOU may consider certain agencies to be “top” agencies, but my opinion of what is top and yours, I’m sure, differ significantly. Post a negative comment about a “top” agency and I’ll *gasp!* never work again? That’s a bit extreme, don’t you think? If this were the real world I might take that seriously, but please! It’s SL, for crying out loud! I don’t model because I want to work. I do it because I love to do it, and if I happen to shoot off my mouth and someeone, somehow, DOES manage to “blacklist” me (I have serious doubts that *anyone* is powerful enough to convince every agency in all of SL to never hire me again)… well… that’s kind of my own stupid fault for letting a faceless name get to me that badly, isn’t it?

    It could be I hold this opinion because, while I take my modeling quite seriously and any show I’m in will see me giving everything I have to it… I just don’t take SL, rant sites, or any other sort of dramafest seriously. Maybe that’s why I’ve never taken a potshot at anyone. It’s just not that important to me.

    Oh… and there are better ways to handle disputes. I should probably include that here, too.

    Vich

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  598. Just another model Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Vich,
    Please. Are you truly that naive? It is obvious to me that you have no idea what you’re talking about. You CAN be blacklisted in SL! I’ve seen it happen! Post a negative comment about EVANE, Avenue, or any other top agency, and see how quickly you NEVER get hired. That, my dear naive one, is the equivalent of being blacklisted!

    Just another model

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  599. Babydoll Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Djing at a after show party the thing that got me was the number of alts that were there remember if you listen to a live stream the DJ sees your ISP one ISP had 4 accounts linked to it , interesting to work it out when one logged off process of elmination ,Don’t worry your secrets safe with me

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  600. Herra Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 9:26 am

    The problem with the Anon posts is that there are probably a few really good Anon posts that should be read by everyone. Agencies gone bad, money being scammed, services not delievered. And I respect that for some models – to share this information can be a hit to their SL AV and would prefer not sharing their name.

    But unfortunately too many anon posts are more about slandering another person than actually providing substance. For some of these models, they really provide little impact on ones modeling career (meaning they don’t run an agency and/or academy) so why slam them. There are models in SL I do not like (and I know plenty who do not like me), but I find no purpose slamming them either as my Herra name or even an Anon name. And if I did – I’m sure 20 people would come in here and defend him/her against my rants. So what purpose would that post provide other than making a mockery of what could potentially be an important website for all SL models.

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  601. Pisco Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 1:36 am

    I suppose due to the nature of this blog, no one can take anything serious here.

    That´s all.

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  602. Vichonette Says:

    April 30, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Nope, modelexiled, no one will ever see me hide behind anonymity. The way I see it, if I can’t put my name to it, it’s not worth saying. Is it possible that some day I might have something to say about an agency’s treatment of me? Sure it is. But if I’m big enough to say it in such a huge public forum, I’m also big enough to defend it. There are more agencies in SL than you can shake a stick at, and I’m not too worried about being blacklisted for standing up against an injustice. A small handful of people aren’t going to make or break my SL career.

    But that’s just me. I’m kind of blunt that way.

    Vich

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  603. modelexiled Says:

    April 29, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    It amazes me,

    If anonymous posts mean nothing to you, you shouldn’t pay any attention to it. If it means nothing in your book then just don’t pay any attention to it, very simple.

    But what you are advising for agency report? seriously?

    Why should your voice be heard if you are discrediting those who are actually saying something just without a recognizable title.

    Everyone is allowed to post anonymous, it’s up to you, and your preference.

    I’m sure the day will come when you will have something to say but because of your pride and dignity in your career you will not want yourself to be identified. When that happens think again of those people who are anonymous.

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  604. Vichonette Says:

    April 29, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    I have to agree with Herra. This site has become something of a joke, really. Factual, rational discussion has disintegrated into catty, petty, juvenile tantrums and mudslinging.

    Whether it’s deserved or not, I stopped believing these anonymous posters who want to call names, point fingers, and whatever other means at their disposal to attempt to destroy someone else’s SL, career, reputation or whatever… a long time ago. They may be telling fact, there may be substance behind the accusations, but the manner in which it’s conveyed gives them no street cred at all in my book. So… take it all with a grain of salt, laugh at the melodramatic overacting that has become AR, have some popcorn, and watch the fur fly.

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  605. Regina Says:

    April 29, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    I fully concur with agency report’s stance, a stance that should not be twisted and embellished with absurd meanings. This site has given a voice to a lot of people, and has made available crucial information about happenings in the second life modeling industry.

    When ‘justified’ concerns were raised about the conflicts of interest in some pageants on this site, the people benefiting from this fault, told their critics to be silent, disparaged their critics, accused their critics of slander and jealousy (really? 🙂 ) and essentially told anyone that had an issue with the problem to get lost (this is the usual routine used by unscrupulous management anywhere in the world to combat anyone that highlights their shortcomings)…Imagine if agency report should say something similar to his/her critics, I think in this case, that reaction would actually be justified :).

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  606. herra Says:

    April 29, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Dear Agency Report:

    So let me get this straight then. If I want to badmouth another model for whatever reason due to my on personal reasons then it’s free game here at your website. I can post all the Anon posts I want and pick random models to slander and you don’t care because that’s what your website is all about.

    If that is your policy this site has become the online equivalent of the high school bathroom walls. Random posts made by catty people who want to knock someone down for size without any real substance but the joy of possibly ruining someone’s reputation.

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  607. Anonymous Says:

    April 29, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    How does this anonymous person know that a famous designer was Franco’s slave? Maybe because was she a slave the same?

    Curios Woman

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  608. Anonymous Says:

    April 29, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    How do you know that?

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  609. agencyreport Says:

    April 27, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Anonymous comment people … I’ve got your back, don’t worry. Unless you are talking to yourself to agree with yourself, all is good. Don’t be beaten down by some people on this website that say your comments don’t matter. The fact is they do matter. Anyone that says differently is wanting to ignore them for their own reasons.

    Many of the people that criticize anonymous comments have never posted negatively about any agencies. Believe me, I check out of curiosity. To those people I say, good for you for being lucky. I was not this lucky and AgencyReport was born because of this. And lucky ones, if you should ever find yourself in a poor situation that was unfair or unjust or wrong with an agency, well you’ve got a place to tell people so they don’t repeat your mistakes. When you find yourself in this situation perhaps you will then understand why people post anonymously.

    (oh and psssssst, a few of them have posted anonymously themselves)

    One thing I will tell you … I comment anonymously on this site. GASP!

    I find it really funny that sometimes one anonymous person will say another anonymous post is invalid, ummm, doesn’t that invalidate their own post?

    I understand that sometimes people come on here to start crap, but to sweep ALL anonymous comments under the rug simply because they are anonymous is a cop out. I think it’s a way that these agencies can just ignore real problems that they are having. Whenever I have posted anonymously or even started this website under an alt, it was and is to protect my identity. So maybe it is cowardly, but I really don’t care if you call me a coward or other names. My complaint(s) were still true and still valid and the people involved know it as well.

    You can say many things about this website. Drama, check. Complaining, check. Defensiveness, check. Fighting, check. But you know, I’ve seen a real shift in the way the modeling world in SL works now with AgencyReport. I do think that models have been empowered, not only with knowledge but a feedback system that they can use freely to tell the rest of the SL world if they are scammed or wronged or even happy and pleased. Before AgencyReport all the power rested with the top elite, those that owned agencies and the like. Now the models have some of that power even the new unknown models, and as you can guess many of the people at the top don’t like it. Some of them do, and they have gleaming reviews on this site. Those that don’t, well I can understand why they wouldn’t like this site very much and are very defensive.

    I have to pat myself on the back for foreseeing this and not starting this site under my real SL name. I can only imagine what would happen to my career if it was out in the open.

    AgencyReport

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  610. anonymous Says:

    April 23, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Couldn’t let this pass

    “Jersey/Dolce said:

    P.S. I bet I confuse your psychoanalytist”

    I bet you confuse your OWN psychoanalytist too Dolce/Jersey. You have enough “oses” (as in psychOSES) to keep a psych ward in business between you and the platoons of alts you have.

    What’s a “PSYCHO ANAL Y TIST” btw?

    Pretty soon Donnatella will chime in on Rhonda’s behalf with her own dramatic gibberish.

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  611. Herra Says:

    April 23, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    I adore Rhonda, I would rather have 1 Rhonda on my team than dozens of you no-name posters who would like nothing more than to bad-mouth a wonderful & talented person.

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  612. Gems & Kisses Model Says:

    April 23, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I’m proud to be a Gems & Kisses Model, because they are creative and humble.

    xxx

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  613. Model Says:

    April 23, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Stop Being a Drama Queen, Rhonda. Shame on you!
    Stop Being a Drama Queen, Donna. Shame on you!

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  614. Ex rhonda partner Says:

    April 23, 2010 at 9:25 am

    For me rhonda just wanted to provoke him.

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  615. Gems and Kisses Model Says:

    April 23, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Ok everybody..lets just stop this war! Deli was at hospital last night and now she is in a lot of pain, lets not just make her heart bleed more. Show us your human side and just stop it!

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  616. Ex Gems & Kisses Model (and glad to be) Says:

    April 23, 2010 at 1:01 am

    WOW Franco, I see you are still very opinionated even after all the problems it has caused your talented boss in the past!
    Shame on you for calling out Rhondda in silks, when Mr Franco you had another very well known designer who is in to slavery and bondage, as your slave!!!! Was it coz you wanted Rhondda as your own, and she turned you down??????

    I am just,
    glad to be
    Ex Gems & Kisses Model

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  617. anonymous Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Jersey/Dolce said:

    “I’ve learned, you just have to step up and admit you were wrong, take the blame, apologize and make sure you don’t make that same mistake twice. Its not easy, but solves conflicts, makes people more at ease to approach you when there are problems and helps your business and staff/customers grow.”

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  618. Jersey/Dolce Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Uhmmm…wow?

    Gems & Kisses….

    You have this holier than thou, look down on everyone else, you are crap because we didn’t make virtual jewelry to your standards of perfection and you didn’t kiss my ass, attitude going on there.

    You may be an artistic group, in terms of creation, but first and foremost, you are an artistic ass. Congratulations on that and this is only directed at you and your manager, or whoever, not your staff, whom I really feel sorry for at the moment.

    I won’t go on, except to say that you are running a business…poorly, but, you are running one and sometimes, as I’ve learned, you just have to step up and admit you were wrong, take the blame, apologize and make sure you don’t make that same mistake twice. Its not easy, but solves conflicts, makes people more at ease to approach you when there are problems and helps your business and staff/customers grow.

    You could have simply responded to Rhonda’s original post with something like…

    “Rhonda, I hope you can understand the level of frustration I am feeling right now with the copybot issue and forgive me for my poor choice of words, which I agree, was not appropriate and I will make sure to keep my words in a more mature fashion from now on.
    Please accept my apologies for my outburst. I did not mean to offend you.

    Thank you for all that you do here at Gems & Kisses, your input and hope that you will continue to remain here as part of our family.

    Again, my sincerest of apologies.”

    Then..I think problem would be over..maybe a public apology to your staff for use of the *F* word too, since I’m sure others were bothered by it too but chose to not say anything.

    When there is a problem in my agency, whether I created it or someone else did, I want to know. Not saying I have the best business practices at times, but if I or someone in my agency upset someone else, I want to know and try and fix things, and understand, possibly apologize.
    My problem that I have with a lot of models is that they are too “shy” or apprehensive…scared to approach people, yes, in SL, when something is wrong and normally just end up leaving instead of saying anything. Unfortunately, it is businesses like yours, Franco, that cause this fear. A model expresses her opinion about you using the *F* word in a notice, which is a sign of strength and character, and instead of approaching it from a business point of view, or even a friend or family point of view, you fire her. So now, because of that, she is letting others here know what kind of business ethics you have, which is lousy and then, you come in here and attack her and others, when it was YOU..yes…YOU that started it…that made the mistake…that could have apologized but didn’t…that fired her. You.
    A clear example of why many models and agency/fashion employees leave without word when there is a problem..to avoid drama that the likes of you create when they’ve tried.

    I’ve I think only heard of Gems & Kisses once or twice in my time in SL…I probably would have heard of it more or even visited, but I’m not that into jewelry, however, now, I’ve heard of it, officially and I have a sour taste in my mouth, that you created from your two posts here.

    I will say nothing further of this, but shame on you and, I hope you pull your head out of your rear soon…or something, cause..how you’re doing things now will kill your business.

    Just sayin.

    Jersey/Dolce

    P.S. I bet I confuse your psychoanalytist.

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  619. Gems & Kisses Management Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    We think that the anonymous messages are just a childish and ridicolous confirm about our suspects regarding a group of models enhanced and timewasters, that like to gossip.

    Even if we’re trying to be serious and giving some short clarification we have to be also really honest 🙂 for the incredible comicality of some anonymous and not comments. We just can’t stop laughing reading that Mrs. Rhonda Pennell draws benefit for ther cure against nervous fragility by some anonymous and non comments, in particular by the chickens of the Deja/Vu’s hen-house.

    Just to make laugh the readers of this funny blog and to share with them some Gems & Kisses’ humorism style we want to share with you this little scene. Rhonda Pennel was doing instore modelling and in front of her there was Donnatella Couterier that had left the group because she couldn’t stand the firement of another model because her sister (confirm of this sisterhood of fanatics). Donatella as a sign of protest had her tounge out from her avatar for about an hour. Maybe was just a block of the glossopharyngeal nerv or the facial one but, as a preventive cure for her health, in particular the psycological one, we decided to ban her.

    Mrs. Rhonda Pennell herself, maybe in a mental sanity moment, confirmed the immaturity of her darling sister, the little Mrs. Donnatella Couturier. When we will open a circus we are available to hire again the little Mrs. Donnatella Couturier and then Mrs. Rhonda Pennell and all the other circuses fired by us.

    For what concerns Jersey/Dolce’s deliriums we’re asking a phsycoanalyst support to understand her ramblings.

    And now…

    FIRST

    Hiring a models doesn’t mean knowing 100% the model, but simply giving her/him confidence due to some selective aspects. Generally, we give everyone this possibility but passing the time, in a positive or negative manner, the opinion about them becomes more clear.

    Our group is in difficulty working just with those models that lives of false stereotypes often withouth a serious explanation in the world of virtual modelling.

    SECOND

    We’re an artistic group withouth standards or stereotypes that kill our creativity. We don’t use our models as bots or campers but are the living and artistic interpreters of our products (they are very communicative). We think that all this anonymous delirium is offensive. For this reason we want to share with you our vision of the instore modeling:

    http://lisielandel.blogspot.com/2010/04/gems-kisses-workshop.html

    We know that our firm position can create polemics but we’re happy not bending our head following the new phylosophy of the modelling in SL.

    The demonstration of this is that we sospended the instore modelling by one month (in part due to some problems of griefers and in part because we have to open our new mainstore), except by some volounteers models, but all models received our products into the group.

    THIRD

    The world of modelling in second life is polluted by some fanatic models that just want to have a tag on their head just to be “someone” and because they love to be in contact with famous and vip people.

    Gems & Kisses says STOP and NO to all this. Withouth fear.

    Do you want to know why?
    Because we’re creative people.

    FOURTH

    Our group don’t want to be associated to some names because we don’t consider this models compatible with our brand for different reasons. In particular some of this models had some threatening behaviours against our brand and models. For example we discovered that one of this models was hiding group and tag for working as marketing manager for a jewelry shopkeeper , that doesn’t know the meaning of the word creativity. This person had some threatening behaviours also against our designer in order to try to fire other models, another one had a hysterics crysis against our designer because jealous of her creativity.

    The summary of all the situation is this one. A group of poor avatar, that all day wait the new gossips on this blog (funny if you have nothing to do and want to laugh a bit) and notoriety searching because they try to be in the high classes of sl, as models or managers started to “break the balls” to the better brands and agencies. Finally, in this world of ppl that have fear to express their opinion otherwise they think to be fired, a designer had the courage to tell her opinion. All have to realize finally how you are floating in the sea of modelling in SL.

    Gems & Kisses don’t bend itself against any form of blackmail, threat or intimidation. We don’t support mafia’s behaviour.

    Our answer to all this trash is just creativity.

    Best Regards

    Lisiel Andel – Gems & Kisses Manager
    Franco Bloch – Gems & Kisses Director

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  620. Rhonda Pennell Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    I would like to express my thanks for the comments that have been made in my support:) and to clear up a few minor things:

    1. I did not quit Gems on my own, I was indeed fired. However, after the rude treatment I had received, I would have left anyway.

    2. I did indeed wear a silk to an interview (not my own interview, but that of another prospective model when several of the store models including myself were helping Franco with interviewing new models). The interesting part is that the management keeps using the words “Gorean” and “slave” as if to suggest that I am actually involved with that part of SL. Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The real reason I had the silk on at the time was that I came straight from a photo shoot in order to assist with the interviews. At that time, I was never made aware that management had any issue with that, so why wait until now? Shame on you Franco and Lisiel.

    3. At the time of the events leading to my dismissal, I was only vaguely aware of a copybotting issue due to the group notices. Only after that did I actually learn that Deliziosa’s avatar and her outfit had been copied within minutes, and yes, she does have my sympathy for that. Copybotting is a serious problem and extremely harmful to creators everywhere – to suggest that I feel otherwise simply because I rightfully objected to the use of immature language by top level management just proves how paranoid their way of thinking really is.

    I wish Gems & Kisses well, but fear that it will seriously damage itself in the long term.

    Love,
    Rhonda

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  621. Jersey/Dolce Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Because I apparently have no self control, I’m posting here. 😛

    I’m sorry Gems & Kisses…you were at fault here and your snarky reply here isn’t making you look better. You’re digging a deeper hole that you could have just left alone in the beginning.

    I’m not the world’s smartest business woman…I make tons of mistakes, so when I say the following, please don’t assume I believe myself to be all knowing or self righteous…or perfect.

    Point blank…in the business world, whether its a clothing retail store, a photography business, janitor business, agency, fast food chain…any business really…the *F* word has no place in it, regardless of how one may feel about a certain person or issue. There are many other words you can use of that are not vulgar, for one, and more mature and professional, than the *F* word.

    I think its almost funny how you seem to feel justified in using the *F* word because…in your words…:

    “2. Feel offendend by the use of a common say “F – – k”, word used by many artists in the real and virtual world for manifeste emotion and dissent without considering the reason why this word was used, a protest against the copybotting. It is a heavy intollerance against a lawful and humoristic protest against the copybotting.”

    So…if one person or business uses the *F* word in their establishment, then its okay for everyone?? That because its a word used to manifest emotion and dissent without considering the reason why it was used…its okay??
    Come on now…you’re showing a huge lack of brains here on this one.
    If one business jumped off the bridge..does that mean its okay for the others to do so as well?
    Why use a word that you don’t give much thought to of its use? Are you incapable of finding a more appropriate selection of words to use?
    Well…maybe you shouldn’t write anything then.

    You use the *F* word in a business…thats not a wise idea. Customers will be offended and they’ll look at your business as unprofessional. Your staff, who expect a professional attitude and relationship with you, in addition to looking at you as their boss, will cause many to think twice about their employment with you.

    I know that most of us use the *F* word at some point…even me (fluffs hair…yes, even “perfect, innocent” me), but its generally done either privately or in an IM or among friends who are all okay with use of that word, either on a rare occassion, often or very frequent.

    If *I* used the *F* word in my agency or my business RL…a lot of my staff would probably leave and I wouldn’t blame them. In fact, this group of models you talk about having to let go…I bet that if the truth came out…you didn’t fire them…they quit. Just like you are trying to tell us that you fired Rhonda when she told us she quit.
    Your story doesn’t match up, at all.

    I’ve known Rhonda a while now…not real well, but we talk here and there sometimes in IM, sometimes in group chats…and I have to say that if there was a legal battle here…you vs Rhonda…she would win.

    As far as your little snip about her showing up in a Gorean silk outfit…did she really? Or is that some feeble attempt to try and make her look bad and you good? Who the heck cares if she shows up in Gorean silks or a clown outfit. YOU hired her…do you not see the stupidity of that comment now?? If that was a huge problem…then why’d you hire her? Seriously???

    Give me an interview and I’ll put Rhonda’s gorean silks to shame. I’ll show up in my silks and collar…I’ll even put on cuffs…and lets see…my Mistress can come too…and she’ll have me on a leash in one hand and in the other, she’ll carry her whip to use on me in case I say the *F* word.
    *snickers*

    Sorry Gems & Kisses…you’ve lost this battle and not that I ever really paid attention to your business (the actual business of it…not issues) before…I can honestly say I won’t even in the future.

    Kudos to Rhonda for not settling for less than what she expects and for having the guts to not only post what she did here, but use her actual name.

    Jersey/Dolce
    DeJaVogue CEO

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  622. anonymous 2 Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 8:34 am

    This is hilarious. Gems and Kisses manglement says, contradictorily:

    “Further, we have not censored Mrs. Rhonda Pennell, we have 1) dismissed Mrs. Rhonda Pennell and then 2) ejected her from our group, particularly as a result of extremely insulting words towards our designer.”

    Oh right, that’s a crime for sure. Rhonda complained about Deli using the word F–k in a rant so she was ejected from the group but you CLAIM you didn’t censor her in any way. We get it. Sure you didn’t censor her you terminated her with prejudice. Then you take it out on Rhonda’s “sisterhood” of vicious, unprofessional friends.

    This all sounds like what happened a while ago at Gems and Kisses when Anita Claven and her, alleged, alt Darevilone Demonia went and got uppity with you. You had to clean the house that time too.

    Gems and Kisses seems to hire a lot of models that wind up getting fired for having opinions. Maybe you need to reexamine the way you interview and hire people. Maybe someone needs to report you to LL for using campers to up your traffic numbers too. Better yet why not hire Donnatella Couturier and her ninja team to run things, they can fix anything. There won’t be any drama with Donnatella in charge of things.

    Back to Rhonda – Let’s not forget that, OMFG, Rhonda wore a “Gorean slave silk” to her Gems and Kisses interview. Admittedly that’s a crime against all women everywhere, but you hired her so it must not have been that big a deal to you at the time. (How do you know aht a silk is anyway? H’mmmm?) Any other little Rhonda tidbits you want to toss in Franco? You’re a well known lech so get off your high horse D–khead. Maybe Gems and Kisses should have a cute little uniform for da grrrls to wear whilst working there at the Gems and Kisses plantation. Yessssss Massssssa Franco. Yessssssss Missy Deli. I’sa comin.

    Claiming that you might seek legal remedies outside SL is a joke btw. We have freedom of speech in the United States.

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  623. Anonymous Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 7:40 am

    If wearing Gorean silks to the interview was such a problem. Why was she employed in the first place?

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  624. anonymous Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 7:34 am

    That’s not the Rhonda Pennell I know.

    Would:

    Rhonda defame someone?

    Rhonda gossip behind someone’s back?

    Rhonda be holier then thou?

    Rhonda not follow the party line?

    Seeing Rhonda spanked in public is

    Priceless

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  625. Gems & Kisses Management Says:

    April 22, 2010 at 6:22 am

    “Is worst saying F – – k to a copybotter or being shoked by this?”

    We cannot stand a collaboration with a model that feels offended for the using of the word “F – – k” in a protest  against the big problem of copybotting, who was recently a victim the designer of the group Gems & Kisses, in particular on a product that was destinated to a charity’s auction, for the fight against cancer. The brand Gems & Kisses isn’t absolutely an agency, but a group of people, also models, that collaborate to give life and support the artistic creations of Mrs. Deliziosa Vendetta. For this we have to have a certain emotion awareness, tollerance and artistic sensibility, also group spirit, that Mrs. Rhonda Pennell has shown us are not in her behaviours.

    All this is shown by:

    1. Posting a blog with the only purpose to defame a brand and a designer whose creativity is established and undisputed. If these events continue to be perpetuated, we would be forced to take legal action and real protection of our creations.

    2. Feel offendend by the use of a common say “F – – k”, word used by many artists in the real and virtual world for manifeste emotion and dissent without considering the reason why this word was used, a protest against the copybotting. It is a heavy intollerance against a lawful and humoristic protest against the copybotting.

    3. The fact that she’s not sincere to tell all the reasons that induced her having a not ethical behaviour against our group, in particular having a “sisterhood” of models that we decided to remove from our group because more interested in gossip and obtaining products rather than being professional interpreters of our creations, a clan of models used to gossip and disfame of designers and other models caused by an excessive virtualitation that conduce into a omnipotence desire.

    4. Gap of professionality against some rules given by the management about some our products and some evident lack in styling in conflict with the Gems & Kisses contract (she wore a gorean silk as a slave during the interviews for
    the new models).

    5. Inability to enter into the model group because of jealousy and dudgeon. All the models of our group supported with a humoristic behaviour the decisions we took against copybotting organizing events and a contest to help a designer who was victim of it.

    Further, we have not censored Mrs. Rhonda Pennell, we have 1) dismissed Mrs. Rhonda Pennell and then 2) ejected from our group, particularly as a result of extremely insulting words towards our designer.

    Best Regards

    Lisiel Andel – Gems & Kisses – Manager

    Franco Bloch – Gems & Kisses – Director

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  626. Rhonda Pennell Says:

    April 20, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    I was just fired from the Gems & Kisses store model group by Deliziosa Vendetta, apparently because I objected to her and Franco Bloch’s use of the phrase “f— you” in a couple of group notices and attached images this evening.

    Deliziosa apparently thinks that I was someone who constantly criticised Franco, in her eyes a generous man and a professional. She goes on to say that Gems & Kisses is a “family” where laughing and crying are allowed, and she and Franco have every right to use the above phrase (it was not directed against any of the group members, but apparently a copybotter).

    It seems to me that a “family” where management allows itself to carelessly throw offensive language around but responds to the objection of one of the models by firing her, essentially censoring her opinion, is not a family at all.

    Though still in shock, I am glad to be rid of Gems & Kisses and want nothing further to do with the people operating the store.

    Shame on you Deliziosa!

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  627. Cy Says:

    April 19, 2010 at 1:24 am

    MVW Fan asked: “What chance would an unknown contestant who have no connections to win? Is this really all about popularity instead of talent, skills, and personality?”

    I don’t think it is. I’m about as unknown as they come in this business, but I entered, and I was selected for the live audition. Sadly, I missed the notice and thus, the audition, and have to try again, but the point is I entered as a nobody and I made that list. I was happy to get that far. I just hope I get a second chance. If not… well… next time, then.

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  628. Anonymous Says:

    April 15, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    It is the same with modelling.
    It’s really not about talent or skills.
    It’s who you know and connections.
    There are some models in top agencies who shouldn’t be there and then, there are great hardworking models who are still trying to break through, ometimes for years. There are people who are considered Top Models in the industry who have nothing to show for.

    Life is not fair whether rl or sl.

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  629. MVW Fan Says:

    April 15, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    I guess it is too much to hope for that beauty contest like Miss/Mr Virtual World would be fair. There are thousands of residents in Second Life to pick as judges….well known journalists, fashion bloggers, new designers, etc… Why pick judges who have a stake in the contest? What chance would an unknown contestant who have no connections to win? Is this really all about popularity instead of talent, skills, and personality?

    And YES, even one judge can make a difference. She/He can influence others judges’ votes and make it difficult for a contestant (not in their favor)such as giving a difficult question during the interview part. How would an unknown finalist feel
    if she/he discovers that the judges are friends of his/her fellow competitors? Can anyone honestly tell me that those judges will not vote for their friends or someone who represents them whether in an agency or organization?

    I feel so disheartened. I almost agree with “Why Bother?”

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  630. Herra Says:

    April 15, 2010 at 10:41 am

    So I have to say this. If you don’t feel like reading what I wrote then move-on by. I just feel after what has happened last few days here at Agency Report that I have to say something.

    I remember when I first found Agency Report. It was at a time Gia Pudles was back online again scamming money from aspiring models. This was a scam in the purist form – she’s get aspiring models all excited about her great new agency, all the great contacts that she has and would get the aspiring model excited to the point that she’d go for the kill – $8k to join so you can get all your training. For a few models, she would take the money and then disappear off the face of the SL Meta-universe. To me, I thought Agency Report was the perfect central place to post this kind of information – share knowledge with other models and hopefully no one gets scammed. I believed in this site to the point that I would mention it at our weekly Model Workshop meetings.

    Fast Forward to today and Agency Report has become something very very vile. I don’t blame the owner – he/she is just providing a service where we can discuss the issues with modeling; the good and the bad. Instead it seems that Agency Report has been the watering hole for models to rant about other models & management that have done them wrong. And since all posts can be done with the ‘Anonymous’ name, people are getting away with some horrid stuff with no accountability to those who have posted these horrible things.

    I respect that for some models, keeping their name hidden has its importance. It’s no different than RL where those that are whistleblowers tend to want to keep their identity hidden to expose the truth. But we aren’t exposing any deadly secrets or vast conspiracies here. Lately these Anon. posts are a way to try and cut down another person, know that you’ve done it and get secret lil thrill that no one else knows you’ve done it. And honestly the best word I can use for posts like those are PATHETIC.

    What has happened to the world of SL modeling? I became a model because I enjoyed coming to SL but really didn’t fit in with working at the clubs, didn’t really want to be a stripper (although I tried) and modeling just seemed like a perfect fit for me. I never became a model for the money (trust me you spend way more than you ever earn) or the glory of some title. I just enjoy the friendships – there are those I hope to stay in touch with even if one of us should leave SL.

    But modeling has created some vile people. Models who try so hard to be the absolutely best model in SL that they will turn ugly if they don’t get what they want. They blame others when they don’t win contests or get picked for the key shows, they get angry and drama surrounds them. I have met many people like that an honestly – never was able to form friendships with people like that. Agency Report has become a festering cesspool for breeding these kinds of models.

    And as for all those ‘bad’ agency owners – I’ve met many Agency Owners during my 2 years on SL. And I have this to say about those ‘bad’ agency owners. These owners invest their RL money to run these agencies with the major cost being tier fees. And there is so much that goes into running an agency – trying to get shows scheduled & organizing them, creating blogs, magazines academies, and other promotional events. Many put a Mall on their SIM to help cover tier fees. What’s worse, they can’t do it alone so they try and find a staff that is capable of helping keep things running. But honestly – for every 5 staff members you hire you’re lucky to find 1-2 who will be committed to doing the job. That’s not saying the other 3 are incompetent – many times it’s just Real Life happening and SL taking the backseat. So Agency Owners have to be hardnose because they start each month anywhere from $100USD-$200USD in hole and if the job doesn’t get done that money is lost.

    I think there is hope for Agency Report – I do believe in it and I think the owner is a decent person who never ever meant for things to get this horrible. Perhaps we need some form of moderation that would allow us to keep those posts that are truly about warning others and remove those that are nothing more than spoiled sports. If there is anything I can do to help turn around Agency Report I know I would like to do that – because I still believe in that concept that I shared.

    That’s all have I have to say. Thanks for letting me say this.

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  631. An observant Says:

    April 13, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    If I know MVW competition well and I do because I was in it, then I know for a fact that the opinion of 1 judge neither makes nor breaks a model.

    Anastacia can sit there and cheer her lungs away for Opium models BUT if the rest of the judges don´t vote for that person, that model doesn´t go through.

    Hire no designers nor ageny owners who have friends in the competition? Out of the 100 models or so that have entered, who doesn´t have a designer buddy or an agency owner friend? They all do! So who is frolic suppose to hire as judges? A zoo monkey? This is ridiculous!

    BUT it´s the opinion of the majority of the judges that count, not one or 2!

    I hope this clears it up.

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  632. Herra Says:

    April 13, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Dear MVW Fan:

    First and foremost – good luck with this years MVW contest. You seem like a level headed person who enjoys the spirit of the competition without allowing it to turn you into one of those bitter models who blames everyone else when they aren’t selected. I wish you the best of luck!

    You have a very good point about the type of judges that should be used for MVW selection round. Unfortunately if you eliminate anyone with any vested interested in any of the contestants poor Frolic would have to raid Noob Island to find his judges. It’s a very unfortunate part of any pagaent both in SL and RL.

    The best advice is to make sure your overall look is perfect, poses fit the dress you are wearing, prims aligned perfectly – sell the whole package. That with a positive attitude will take you far!

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  633. Brittney Scorpio Says:

    April 12, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    also i apoligize for the double entry…i hit submit too many times, accidentally. oops 😦

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  634. Brittney Scorpio Says:

    April 12, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I agree fully with Nave here, on all accounts. I do not like any of those listed, and even though i am sort of new to modeling, i have experienced all but the CEO who promised me the world (which im thankful for). Ive dealt with Divas and at one point, acted like one for a second, but i apoligized to those i offended and all is mended (heh that rhymed!)

    I, personally, like what Nave posts on here, whether i agree with it or not. Hes funny and smart, and has the cajones to say what he thinks, whether other ppl like it or not. I respect what he says. Keep it going Nave!

    Im just,
    Brittney Scorpio

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  635. Brittney Scorpio Says:

    April 12, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I agree fully with Nave here, on all accounts. I do not like any of those listed, and even though i am sort of new to modeling, i have experienced all but the CEO who promised me the world (which im thankful for). Ive dealt with Divas and at one point, acted like one for a second, but i apoligized to those i offended and all is mended (heh that rhymed!)

    I, persoally, like what Nave posts on here, whether i agree with it or not. Hes funny and smart, and has the cajones to say what he thinks, whether other ppl like it or not. I respect what he says. Keep it going Nave!

    Im just,
    Brittney Scorpio

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  636. navefall Says:

    April 12, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Anyone I, PERSONALLY, attack in my PERSONAL opinion deserves it. They can hate on me all they want. I’ll live with it.

    Things I attack include in no particular order:

    People who are so, outrageously, stupid in some public pronouncement of theirs that it offends me to the point that I have to reply. I do this in RL too. I try to contain this impulse these days.

    Scammers/plagiarists/pimps/schemers/thieves who rip people off. Busting them and exposing them is fun. This is also kinda fun in RL.

    Modeling Agency CEOs/Owners who promise the world to models, and designers, and then deliver maybe 10% of what they promised (if that). Blaming these failures on others seems a common refrain. The truth is simple – the buck stops with the CEO. If you wear that tag it’s YOUR responsibility to deliver on YOUR promises. If I attacked YOUR agency YOU had it coming. If YOU had it coming and didn’t get attacked it’s out of MY respect for YOUR hard working models who’d be hurt needlessly, not because the YOU, the CEO/Agency owner didn’t deserve to have YOUR management inadequacies revealed to SL. I find myself, frequently, asked for advice how various agencies have performed, or how a given agency’s training is regarded, that’s when I get my licks in. In private, not in public. That happens a lot these days.

    DIVAS – Once upon a time a diva was a singer held in great esteem, she was called prima donna and worshipped by a legion of fans and admirers. Not in SL. The Urban Dictionary definition applies mo betta to SL’s Divas:

    diva : a bitchy woman that must have her way exactly, or no way at all. often rude and belittles people, believes that everyone is beneath her and thinks that she is so much more loved than what she really is. selfish, spoiled, and overly dramatic.

    In SL a DIVA is a self selected, un-certified, non-expert, defensive, venal, self-absorbed, collector of sycophants who are all about opinions and putting on airs. Not a pretty picture but an unfortunate reality.

    I am none of these things btw. Anyone who thinks I am is under the influence of drugs, or alcohol. If you find me my writing too lofty, or my words too precise to suit your GED level of education, you’ll just have to live with that PERSONAL distress. Try using a dictionary and a spell-checker between smokes.

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  637. Not buying it Says:

    April 11, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Jonathan, wow, never in my life outside of reading the uni-bomber’s manifesto have I ever read such a complete and utter overload of pompous diatribe in my life. Your entire campaign and pontifications are so self serving I think I threw up a little. I couldn’t give a rats ass who you know, who you spoke to or who you think you work with. Please, give it a rest Jonathan. The fact is, the Mr. MVW and Miss MVW pagents are not in any way a fair contest. That’s so painfully evident in the cast of judges it’s not funny. You would have to be a complete moron not to recognize that simple fact. Also about your defense of Anastacia that’s about all I can stand on that topic. She uses her “illness, sickness, physical impairment” whatever it is at any given moment to garner sympathy. People who are really ill never do that. In fact most people who have a real illness you’ll never know of it. They don’t want your pity.

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  638. Nietzsche Says:

    April 11, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    “The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.”

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  639. George Carlin Says:

    April 11, 2010 at 10:28 am

    When you’re born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you’re born in SL you get a front row seat.

    George Carlin

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  640. NastyFall StarFall Says:

    April 11, 2010 at 8:25 am

    If you have nothing nice to say about someone, Please…come and sit beside me..
    ~*~Tallulah Bankhead~*~

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  641. MVW Fan Says:

    April 10, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Dear MVW Commitee:

    I am a big fan of pageants especially the MVW. I tried out for Miss Virtual World but didn’t make it, so I will try out next year.

    I have a request and that is… Please make these type of contest fair and square. Do not pick judges that have a stake in the contest or are friends with the contestants.

    For example:
    Do not pick any management or CEOs of Costa Rica Sims, Moolto, and any Agency Owners as judges because everyone knows they will naturally favor their “contestants”. Do not pick any designers or anyone who are friends or a spouse of any of the contestants.

    This should be about talent, fashion skills and attitude.

    Thanks.

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  642. The Straight Dope Says:

    April 10, 2010 at 7:29 am

    You people suck. When Donnatella talks people listen. She knows everyone and everything about modeling and fashion and who is doing what to who because her coterie of friends all share their juicy insider gossip with her first. They run to her to tell her the latest sleazy rumours. That way all of SL will hear it.

    Donnatella never sleeps and she is fashionista through and through with the most important designer friends who happily run and give her all their newest things to wear, and blog about (Wait does she have a blog???? How has that not happened? Anyone can do a blog these days. But blogs are hard work and people can see your writing and photography oh my! There’s be no where to hide. I think she needs a blog. Donnatella Speaks on SL Today!)and that way they keep her on the bleeding edge of SL’s fashion scene.

    Inquiring minds want to know Donnatella. Please keep up the good work and start a blog too. Then one of these days you’ll have your own magazine like Oprah does and you’ll be on the cover of EVERY issue and we’ll wait with baited breath for your pronouncements. You’ll have your own modeling agency and produce your own smashing shows. You’ll have your own haute couture clothing line and rake in the lindens.You can do PR and branding and maybe you’ll have your own TV and radio shows too.

    Wait. That’s your close friend Frolic Mills who does most of that. Maybe you can go be his personal assistant/advisor/guru/dresser. That’s the perfect job for you, the one you’ve trained for with all the other jobs you spent days doing.

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  643. Anonymous Says:

    April 8, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    she said she had a feeling like she knew you, didnt say she did. she wants to be sure

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  644. Why Bother Says:

    April 8, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Donnatella?

    You think?

    Coulda fooled me.

    Mostly you spew self-serving nonsense.

    If you really know who I am IM me yourself.

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  645. | [Donnatella Couturier] | Says:

    April 8, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Dear ‘Why Bother’,

    Could you please IM me in-world, I have a feeling I know you personally, thanks.

    Donnatella Couturier.

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  646. alaskametro Says:

    April 8, 2010 at 3:55 am

    Hi all,

    I’ve come across this site when searching for SL agencies, to see what’s still around/active in Second Life.

    I’m a fashion designer in SL, and formerly ran Metro Models until its closure over a year ago.

    I’d just like to offer some feedback, as both someone who used to work with virtual models extensively, and hire them as a designer: the negativity, petty arguing, in-fighting, drama, and lack of professionalism demonstrated by a lot of people on this website brings the entire industry down.

    As a designer, reading the comments about agencies, oftentimes from its directors or employees, makes me not want to hire one, EVER.

    As a former agency director, I’d rather run a series of bots than hire some of the drama queens posting on here.

    Second Life fashion should be about creativity, fun, and yes, sometimes profit. An agency should be about keeping its clients (the fashion designers) happy and finding relevant work for models. I’m wondering when the virtual modelling industry became a huge joke, because I remember working with talented, down-to-earth and creative agencies, models, stylists, and writers. Perhaps they simply haven’t found this website, or, like me, have taken a break from Second Life.

    If you’re passionate about running your modelling business, being a fashion model, or training new models… my advice is to work on improving public perception of the entire industry. Lead by example, be professional… no sensible fashion designer is going to work with an agency/model/academy that’s too busy fighting with everyone to produce good work.

    Aside from occasionally hiring models still, I’m long out of the agency running business, and I’m happy for that. I wouldn’t want to have to deal with the rampant drama I’ve seen here from members of this industry.

    Sincerely,
    Alaska Metropolitan

    PS – This is a general comment and is in no way meant to reflect on any individual. I’m sure many of the creative lovely people I’ve worked with are still active, and many creative lovely people are joining the world of SL modelling. But I can’t sit still and be quiet when something (I used to love being a part of) seems so tarnished.

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  647. Why Bother sums it up Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    I think ALL the readers of Agency Report recognize, and fully support, Johnathan’s GOD GIVEN right to ALL of HIS opinions. That’s what America is ALL about. It’s also good to see him vigorously supporting friends of his like Anastacia Markova and Burningbright Nightfire (who was never criticized for anything during this discussion btw). I wasn’t aware that Ms. Markova suffered from any physical disability until it was mentioned here on AgencyReport. I have, however, heard her disparaging her RL husband’s physical attributes in local BOSL chat on SL, along with many other crude remarks about her sexual appetites and preferences, so nothing mentioned about these little issue should offend her in the least. It might offend her hub but that’s something they need to get straight between them, if they can. I’m glad that she has the ability to expand her personal horizons, and live her fantasy career dreams out on the internet and that she has an active and enjoyable SLife.

    Given Johnathan’s impassioned positioning of Jenna Coppola Studios as some sort of SL Super Agency it would be interesting to hear from an active JCS model about how much “paying” work he, and Jenna, have actually delivered for the models of Jenna Coppola Studios. With RL clients like Ford Motor Company, those paying sessions should be plentiful and VERY well compensated. but somehow I don’t think so. I might be wrong. I don’t know how I’ve survived all this time in SL without a Ford Motors product in my virtual garage. I could handle a virtual Ford GT40 or Shelby Cobra 427 Coupe – both sorta, kinda Ford products. If those fly so much the better.

    Johnathan goes on and on with parable after parable, Miss Teen Arizona this and Christina Aguilerra that. I get this idea that I am being preached to. Harangued even. Not what I come to SL for myself but certainly Johnathan is within his rights to blather on about whatever he chooses. Semper Fi.

    On a closing note, no one, that I know of anyway, questions Kay Fairey’s credibility, work ethic, personal integrity or proven skills as a model. She is an icon of civility in a frothing, uncharted, chaotic sea of deceit and back-room deals within the modeling and fashion world of SL. SL is lawless, and ungovernable, for the most part when it comes to regulating contests and events like the ones being discussed here on AgencyReport. That’s the reason I said, Why bother?” I think Frolic Mills will be unhappy when he reads the things that’ve been said here and that’s too bad. He might be able to bring some sort of resolution to this sorry state of affairs if he chooses to. I don’t think anyone else can though.

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  648. Danielle Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Johnathan is entitled to his opinions and they are exactly where they belong, in his mind.

    The matter of contention I was highlighting is that concerning “conflict of interests” in Second Life pageants. Have a good day 🙂

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  649. Why Bother replies to Johnathan Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Johnathan still thinks that

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  650. Kay Fairey Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    No I did not ignore it. I will talk to Frolic. I didn’t decide the judges myself and I don’t appoint them so that’s all I can do. I just didn’t want to write a LONG post about every single point made.

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  651. Danielle Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Kay Fairey,

    If you understood what I wrote when you read it, you would know exactly what it is that I was actually saying. The essence of what I posted should not be trivialized to picking on one example that someone mentioned :).

    Interesting that you ignored the flaws people mentioned concerning ‘conflicts of interest’ which is the true matter of contention here. This ‘conflict of interest’ problem is not one to be personalized or trivialized by anyone. It is a flaw which when not confronted, generates legitimacy for the complaints you have attempted to thwart. Those complaints pose questions about credibility. If no effort is made to take up the matter, there is no basis to silencing your critics.

    Good luck yourself 🙂

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  652. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I disagree with the right of being self righteous comes at the end of Humility and Rationality. That ends when there is a lack of Empathy and Common Sense. You are right that every person will undergo unsavory experiences. But you can also learn from them to make yourself a better person.

    A good example of empathy was at a recent RL function involving JCS, The Wild West Mustangs, The Make a Wish Foundation and the Phoenix Children’s Hospital Cancer ward. In attendance was Miss Teen Arizona who arrived at the venue wearing only jean shorts, sneakers and a simple t shirt. Immediately upon arrival she was verbally attacked by a group of parents for not wearing her crown, sash and evening dress. Mothers who brought their daughters whom were in children’s pageants really gave her a hard time until she spoke these words that shut them up.

    “Yes I am Miss Teen Arizona. But the crown and sash do not make me who I am. I am who I am. There are children here who are ill and some are terminal. It means more to them that I play with them and see them smile than to simply pose with them for a picture. I have long beautiful blonde hair; there are children here without any hair. I have no right to come in looking like a princess knowing some of these children wont live to see there teen years and hold on to the dream of being a princess. Those of whom are angry with me for not looking the role, I pray your children stay healthy. For life is a greater gift than a Crown and a Title”.

    You are right that having a disability isn’t an automatic pass to be self righteous. But on the same token it doesn’t give a healthy person the right to comment on that person’s disability in a manner to show disrespect. I will always welcome and recognize a person’s individual right to free speech and opinion. But when the opinion crosses the line were they target an ailment then it should be challenged. Challenging it doesn’t make one self righteous. Just makes me stand up for those whom at times are unable to stand up for themselves. A trait that I learned in the Marine Corps.

    As for my connection with GOD, I have a long way to go. I know this. I won’t lie and will admit that having spent my time in the Marines and having seen the world and mans inhumanity towards man that I did question GOD. I only spoke to GOD during those times when I wanted something. Jenna though taught me to stop and she taught me to pray. And now I own a Bible. I had one in the Marines but I gave it up after reading Revelations over and over and over and I imagined the destruction. And with her help I am learning more as I work towards bettering myself as a human being.

    As for JCS and the things we offer. I try to do what is right. It doesn’t make me better than the next person nor self righteous. But rather it comes from a passage in the Bible were Jesus said. “Whenever you helped the least of my brethren, you helped me”. And that is why I try to help people.

    Second Life is a virtual world. In all reason technically it does not really exist. I believe that some people have failed to learn that reasoning. The winners of Miss and Mr. Virtual World still have to own up to the reality that when the computer is turned off your neighbors to either side of you will never know that accomplishment and you will be no better than your neighbor. And to your neighbor it matters not if you win or lose. You are still the same person.

    However there will still be people whom are unable to comprehend the fact that if Linden Labs themselves had a competition for the UBER Mr/Miss SL and the winner of that competition came from the poorest neighborhood in South Phoenix Arizona, the moment they walked away from the PC to get a drink of water they are still in South Phoenix.

    It is as you say only a virtual world.

    I enjoyed this conversation with you Danielle

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  653. Kay Fairey Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Danielle,

    You are saying the same thing as what Johnathan said. He can’t list all examples realistically. It just sounds like you are picking on the one example he mentioned and he did not say disability gives a carte blanche. He was pointing out that its bad taste to pick on somebody’s injuries or disability in RL which I cannot agree more.

    So let’s not pick on words we use. We cannot write toilet paper long posts here nor give every single example.

    What we need here to all of us to try to see what the “jist of the messages are.” Not pick on specific words or samples we use. And let’s all try to see the good in posts as well as ppl.

    I am going to make this my last comment on this matter, but it just looks like ppl just start reading posts already with a critical eye….trying to look for flaws. Let’s all be more gracious and forgiving.

    As for the Mr. VW, I cannot agree more that there will be ppl who win and ppl who won’t. And those who didn’t get in will not be happy. But like I always say, if not winning/getting in in contests are going to make some of you bitter, then don’t enter. You have to be able to take it with grace and dignity. If not, don’t risk it.

    And unless you all think I am forging the votes or can’t count, please trust me that none of the judges voted for “thier boys” only. You’d be surprised how the votes were spread to guys they didn’t even know. And it was true that those who became finalists got votes from many.

    Good luck to all of you thinking of joining and let’s all keep this fun. 🙂

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  654. Danielle Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Let me state for the record that I am not the same persona as ‘why bother’ or any other ‘name’ that has commented on this particular dispute. I will not be surprised if the some of the other names are all distinct personae.

    “You have a right to be self righteous”: That my friend is the beginning of the end of humility, which by the way has been lacking so far, and with that the end of all rationality :).

    ‘Having’ or ‘having had’ a physical disability does not give anyone carte blanche to be self righteous,lord themselves over others or approach others derogatorily. No human being lives in a bed of roses. To an extent, every human being has a disability of some kind be it physical or non-physical. The true heroes in life are those who are able to rise from their discomfort and succeed, and at the same time refrain from projecting their insecurities onto others or lording themselves self righteously over others.

    Christina Aguilera may have had some unsavory experiences in her youth, but she is hardly the only human being that has gone through such experiences, neither is her case the worst. You have had your experience, everyone has had theirs, we all have had several crosses to carry at at least one point in our lives. What makes us heroes is rising above these experiences with humility.

    I do not know the circumstances surrounding the revelation of Anastacia’s disability. But if indeed she told someone about this in confidence and it was revealed, then that is an injustice. But like I said, I do not know any information about this so I cannot comment.

    However, having a disability does not automatically entitle anyone to special treatment or give anyone carte blanche to treat others poorly. There are people with disabilities that do not ‘demand’ to be treated differently from others and at the same time do not project their insecurities onto others, these are the true heroes, they are the ones who make the most of any situation life throws at them.

    It is wonderful to see that you mentioned God. If you are in connection with Him, I am sure you can understand one or two things about humility and the harm of self righteousness.

    In regards to these pageants especially those modeled after Miss World and Miss Universe, there are many apparent flaws with management and the selection of judges that give room for people to claim partiality or denounce the contests as an outright sham. Yes, no one is ever satisfied with the outcome of any contests including ‘elections’. But there are measures that are put in place to make sure that the people overseeing such contests do not have a ‘conflict of interest’. We did not see Bill Clinton counting the votes or managing the electoral process in the 2008 elections that brought about Barack Obama. In the case of Second Life, there are ‘conflicts of interests’. Pointing out these ‘conflicts of interests’ should not be personalized by anyone. It is an area that should be addressed if credibility is demanded by the individuals managing these pageants.

    All in all it is only virtual world at the end of the day, be happy 🙂

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  655. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    April 7, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Self Righteous and what gives me the right? I will be more than happy to tell you what gives me the right.

    First you do not go after someone’s real life ailment. That was wrong and very low that you have to go after a real life injury or illness. As for targeting WHY BOTHER and a select few who use the same terminology in their writing only a select few of people knew of Anastacia’s real life injury. She was injured doing her job in the medical field. And to take that information of her real life injury and to publicly comment on it in a hate full manner was in such poor taste. You can argue this point all you want however it was in poor taste. If you were injured or suffering from a medical condition such as Cancer I would be standing up for you.

    In regards to any pageant. Second Life and Real Life they all have one thing in common. No one is going to be happy with the judges and their choices. They will always face criticism and always face ridicule. That’s just the nature of the beast. If you feel I am full of crap on this subject go and watch a children’s pageant and watch just how viscous grown adults can become.

    I personally have spoken to Christina Aguilera whom by the way is fluent not only in Spanish, but fluent in Japanese. During our conversation she had mentioned that in her youth during talent competitions, parents of other contestants would either pull the microphone away from her mid song or remove the cables going into the sound board as she sang. Judges also faced the criticism of favoritism when the cold hard fact that the girl was just a damn good singer and the talent showed.

    BurningBright is a member of JCS. So is Anastacia Markova. If BurningBright Nightfire did not place then oh well he did not place. I am proud of him no matter what. He went in there did his best and saw it through. I do not expect Anastacia to give BurningBright special treatment because they are both on the same staff at JCS. I am not going to be upset at Anastacia for not choosing him. He has carried himself in a strong manner holding his head up with pride. He has not wavered and has not uttered a word against the judges or commented against the Mr. Virtual World. He is very good people and I am proud to know him and his wife Enchanted Dreams. He is also my drummer in my band.

    The comment in regards to being a fan boy. No. I am far from one of those. Fan boys follow I lead by example. JCS is the first agency in SL that provides counseling for its staff and any person who is a real life victim of Domestic Violence. JCS in partnership with OPIUM have worked with in world agency Femme Fatale whom was created by Aphrodite Benoir to provide licensed psychologists for those in need whom have become victims of domestic violence. JCS was the first agency to launch a full program to prevent sexual harassment in our workplace. JCS along with Femme Fatale have provided a safe house for any and all victims of Domestic Violence with cooperation from the National Organization for Women to assist real life victims in world with information and the means to find a local shelter in their area at zero expense to the victim and any children involved. This program has been opened to both genders and households were the parties involved are of the same gender. We will not turn away any person in need.

    And JCS is the first Agency to have real life clients and consultants. Dan Kimerly of the FORD MOTOR CORPORATION will attest to JCS representing its interests in Second Life. As I mentioned JCS is proactive while the rest react to what we are doing. You asked about my concentration on JCS well now you know what we have been doing besides modeling, ads, and in world entertainment. Fan boys follow I lead.

    As for my personal self let me tell you about me. I joined the US Marines in 1995 after college. In 2004 I was injured and have been in Physical Therapy since then with only recently having my disability finalized. So I do know how it feels to not have the use of my legs. I spent my time in ICU. That is why I took offense to someone targeting another individual over their medical condition. By the grace of God I met Jenna Coppola and she taught me a better way because I acted just like you act on Agency Report. I am walking again with the use of a brace and I am still moving forward.

    Life is not about winning titles. I can make a title for you and declare you the winner if it means that much to you.

    But people don’t follow titles they follow courage. Sometimes in life you have to take hits. It’s those hits you take that define who you are. You have to take a hit and no matter how hard it is and need to learn to stand up from it. There are greater tragedies in life than not moving forward in the Mr. Virtual World competition. If you lose you lose, oh well. You learn and when the time comes around you try again. If you say no more you live with the fact you tried. There are people who live in regret for never having tried at all.

    That is why I cant stand some of you whining about losing. You cant win all the time. This is why I am Self Righteous. Unlike you I pay it forward.

    Now grow up!

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  656. Brittney Scorpio Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    lol i love the remark about Obama. Truly i have never participated in the mentioned contest, so i will not say anything about it, because i do not have proof to back it up. I have a friend who tried the contest, and didn’t win, and you know what? He was perfectly ok with it. “I will try again,” they said. I think we all should have the attitude where we all say “oh well, life moves on, i will try again.” instead of “how come i lost? i bet they bribed the judges, or they got their friends in on it”
    Sl modeling is competetive, you will not always get what yu want. I have not been casted a few times, and im fine with it. They were looking for someonme better, no problem with that. Vice versa, there have been times where i have been casted, and others havent. Idk how they acted, but im sure they were ok with it too.
    Some people cant handle rejection, and that in itself, is kind of understandable. Try not to have the “Perfect Human” complex though, where you think you will never, ever, lose, because im afraid thats not the truth. We all lose, even the greates model in SL lost at one point, but obviously they did not let it drag them down.
    I am not pointing fingers at anyone, i do not want to start fights. This is my opinion on the subject, that is all, have a nice night everyone 🙂

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  657. Why Bother replies to Johnathan Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Personally I find WHY BOTHER a poor individual. You remind me of these parents who expect trophies for their kids athletic teams when they place in 8th position.

    Reply: Blah blahhhhhhhh blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That’s nonsense.

    Your so hell bent on who you know that you expected to place in the competition. And I bet that is your Achilles heel. You thought because you knew so and so you were advancing and now you are out. That should tell you and everyone else that the competition is more than fair. And keep in mind no male model from JCS has advanced at all in the male competition.

    Reply: Not me. I didn’t enter this contest. When studs like Burningbright Nightfire and Burly Tigerpaw don’t win and need to try again I know I’m out of my depth and I stay on the porch. Maybe you should enter, Show us what you got pal.

    You lost. Oh well. Now is the time to better your avatar for the next time it comes around. Better your skills, experience and position. Stop whining on Agency Report on why you didn’t place. That is just like real life. You pick up and carry on.

    Reply: What did I lose? How did I lose? Can you lose when you don’t choose to play the game at all? Hence the “Why Bother” monicker. I didn’t enter. The simple truth is this. I can build an avatar as good as, if not better then yours, in an hour, I can build a great shape myself, ad a Belleza, Redgrave, LaVie or Unique skin, hair from Tukinowaguma or any of a dozen hair vendors, MADesigns’ or YS&YS’ eyes, A Vista or SeMotion AO and I’m ready to go sir. I can walk a runway and do one pose like they had them do. Ohhh yeah, I didn’t whine about anything either. But you sure do a lot of whining yourself man – hoooooooooo rah

    As for attacking Anastacia Markova in regards to her RL injuries, that was uncalled for. It is in poor taste to go after a real life handicap. And lets look at the reality here. She took OPIUM and has advanced it further. You cannot deny that fact.

    Reply: I deny this categorically. That would have been just wrong. I’ll leave kind attack that to others. As for taking Opium and advancing it to where it is today? She didn’t build Opium from scratch, pick Opium out of the garbage or carry it on her back single-handedly. It was good before she got it handed to her and she has a lot of help from a very professional staff and great models.

    If you want to be even more clear lets face the reality that Male Models in SL do compete over a very small market. Male modeling is far more competitive due to the lack of opportunities. Those companies that need male models are going to be even more selective of who they want representing them. I am sorry but that’s the nature of the beast.

    Reply: Nonsense. More self-serving BS. 20-25% of the modeling in SL is done by men these days. It’s a vibrant and growing market. Competitive yes but growing too.

    But all in all, WHY BOTHER you need to grow up. You along with others like you now know that all the ass kissing you been doing doesn’t amount to anything. You want it bad enough work for it. Those that put their time in and bust their asses are the ones that are getting ahead.

    Reply: Wrong again. I am grown up and capable of debating jerks like you just fine. For the record you are one doing all the sucking up here. You lips are firmly stuck to Ana’s ass. If you were smart you’d tend to JCS business which is where you’re needed. You’ve bragged before about how JCS has come from nothing and is taking SL by storm. BS – get real. JCS is not the MAD Agency, Boulevard, Glance, AVENUE, SuperElite or .::Kabuki::. Yet. It could be if you’d get to work on it instead of DJing the nights away

    If work is something that you wish to avoid then you will only get sympathy from Barrack Obama.

    Reply: Typical venomous, republicanazi, foaming at the mouth. The Tea Party is the place for guys like you these days. You can suck up to Sarah Palin there pal. Are you sure you’re not Rush Limbaugh’s alt?

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  658. Danielle Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Why does this person, Johnathan Hiess, come across as self righteous and egotistical in his rants? Why does he bring everything back to himself and his company especially as he and his company may not be directly involved (are they?) in this particular dispute or some of the disputes he comments on? Why does he rant a lot and yet claim not to like commenting on this site? Why is he the ‘one’ that knows all that is right and all that is wrong? I may not have paid any attention to his rants, if not that his reference to ‘Barack Obama'(spelled correctly)seems maliciously out of context and suggests ignorance. It would be interesting to understand his bringing up of Barack Obama in this thread.

    Now back to the dispute. I think some of these situations where people find fault in the judges who oversee contests in Second Life could entirely be avoided if judges that do not have ‘a substantial interest’ in the process or outcome of the contests are selected. This is the way it is done in the real world to avoid partiality or a situation where people can claim that partiality was involved and that the entire contest was a sham. Proclaiming the integrity of someone who has a ‘substantial interest’ in the outcome of an event they are judging does not carry weight in any rational mind, it is definitely not acceptable in the real world. This ‘substantial interest’ approach in Second Life, however, is defeated by the existence of alt accounts. Another point to be noted is that established models in the real world largely do not participate as contestants in these kinds of competitions. Modeling Agencies also are not largely the creators or management of such pageants as Miss World & Miss Universe. People who get into these contests on Second Life should weigh all of these and many other factors before getting into them, understanding that the outcome may not be in their favor right from the start assuming partiality is involved and they do not know anyone of the judges or belong to any of the agencies. On the other hand, people who judge these contests should not be hostile to their critics as it is apparent that the selection of judges is flawed when it boils down to the ‘substantial interest’ factor and that while this factor may be difficult to correct considering the existence of alt accounts, it does not seem to have been addressed. Why conduct or participate in these contests then? Obviously there is money to be made for some parties, it has been said some people also gain esteem from these contests, for majority of the participants (contestants, audience, etc), maybe engage in these contests for the fun of it?, after considering all the adverse factors.

    Life is short, at the end of the day, Second Life is just a virtual world, the time you spend on it could be spent doing something worthwhile in the real world. Certainly, some people manage to do things on Second Life that benefit them in the real world, to the many people that do not, maybe coming to Second Life and seeking happiness & creativity instead of unnecessary drama could turn out to be something of value. Of course all this assuming that commentators and ranters actually take themselves seriously 🙂

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  659. Fire, Ready, Aim Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Johnathan? I think it was “One of the Lucky Ones” in the Opium thread who got on Ana’s case not “Why Bother” in this thread. Perhaps you need to review the authorship of those posts and then post a correction so we know you got it the second time around. How does :Why Bother” come off as a “poor individual” Wahhhhhhhhhh wahhh wahhh Why Bother was mean to my friend. I hate them now. I say them because it’s not clear whether “Why Bother” is a female, a male or an it to me. (not that that should matter)

    Why Bother stated in the first sentence of the post:

    “Mr. Virtual World is not just another SL modeling popularity contest. It is the PREMIER pageant event for the men of SL. How dare you impugn its validity?”

    Is there a problem with that sentence? No sour grapes there.

    Another comment made was:

    She is well known for her selflessness in sharing the credit for all the successes that Opium achieves, her building prowess, the world-class customer service of her wedding planning endeavor, her even-handed management methods, her personal grace under fire and her refined, and intellectual, speaking style.

    This is similar, if not congruent, to what Rhonda, Donnatella, Paisley, and Nickee said in Ana’s defense.

    I’m also not clear where you got the notion that Why Bother was a disgruntled entrant in this event, certainly not from the post. How do you know “Why Bother” is a male? Was there a pronoun I missed in that post indicating gender? I didn’t get any impression from what was posted.

    Your convoluted, and rambling, logic appears circular to me. Since you are one of Ana’s fanboys we must discount your opinions. In RL you’d be excused from jury service in this case because you’ve already determined her innocence and purity. If you had any class you’d recuse yourself from this discussion too.

    On a different note I found it interesting that you said in a previous post that Ana is a valued member of the staff of JCS, when she has pointedly stated that Opium will allow no one on its management team who works in a management capacity for another agency. Obviously a case of the Golden Rule, i.e. Them with the gold maketh the rules.

    “Why Bother” merely satirized some of what’s being chuckled all over SL on Queen Ana and her merry band and you’re too ignorant to get the humor. Most of that post seems laudatory to me.

    To anyone paying the least bit of attention Ana’s need for constant reinforcement of her value, adulation, and desirability, bespeaks a deep seated, personal inferiority that, realistically, no amount of virtual love can assuage.

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  660. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Personally I find WHY BOTHER a poor individual. You remind me of these parents who expect trophies for their kids athletic teams when they place in 8th position.

    Your so hell bent on who you know that you expected to place in the competition. And I bet that is your Achilles heel. You thought because you knew so and so you were advancing and now you are out. That should tell you and everyone else that the competition is more than fair. And keep in mind no male model from JCS has advanced at all in the male competition.

    You lost. Oh well. Now is the time to better your avatar for the next time it comes around. Better your skills, experience and position. Stop whining on Agency Report on why you didn’t place. That is just like real life. You pick up and carry on.

    As for attacking Anastacia Markova in regards to her RL injuries, that was uncalled for. It is in poor taste to go after a real life handicap. And lets look at the reality here. She took OPIUM and has advanced it further. You cannot deny that fact.

    If you want to be even more clear lets face the reality that Male Models in SL do compete over a very small market. Male modeling is far more competitive due to the lack of opportunities. Those companies that need male models are going to be even more selective of who they want representing them. I am sorry but that’s the nature of the beast.

    But all in all, WHY BOTHER you need to grow up. You along with others like you now know that all the ass kissing you been doing doesn’t amount to anything. You want it bad enough work for it. Those that put their time in and bust their asses are the ones that are getting ahead.

    If work is something that you wish to avoid then you will only get sympathy from Barrack Obama.

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  661. Kay Fairey Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 10:39 am

    aaah forgot to say one more thing.

    Ana wasn’t the ONLY judge and one vote would never get anybody into the finals. You needed a lot more which means irrespective of whether Ana voted or not, the finalists got a lot more votes from other judges.

    So your point is lost to begin with.

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  662. Kay Fairey Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 10:30 am

    To Why bother?

    I don’t know who you are but I think it’s so sad if that’s the only way you can look at things.

    I was the one who counted all the votes. And Ana DID NOT vote to all her Opium male models if that’s what you want to know.

    Or do you want to challenge me too and tell me that I am a liar?

    I wonder why some ppl just can’t even try to see the good side and keep looking at things with a twisted view. I am not here to condemn ppl or to call anybody with names. But I will straighten facts if needed.

    Please don’t speak based on pure assumptions as if you have seen it all. It’s those posts that are based on assumptions and guesses that make this place a place that ppl make individual attacks.

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  663. Bob Dylan Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 9:43 am

    “Chaos is a friend of mine.”

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  664. Steve Martin Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    “Chaos in the midst of chaos isn’t funny, but chaos in the midst of order is.”

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  665. Anonymous Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    If the person would look closer, most of the men in MR VW belong to more agencies then opium as us females do

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  666. Wil Durant Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    “Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty and dies with chaos”

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  667. Richard J. Daley Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    “The police are not here to create disorder. They are here to preserve disorder.”

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  668. Nietzche Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    “Out of chaos comes order.”

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  669. Herra Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Why does Opium seem to have so many of their men in the Mr VW show?

    Perhaps, because I have noticed from the past several months being a member of Opium, they seem to have plenty of shows that feature male models. And my bold assumption is the good male models will go where the work is.

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  670. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I try not to comment often on Agency Report because my main focus is the firm Jenna and I have created together. However the recent attack against a member of my staff has prompted me to now take up a position that I deem necessary.

    When we launched JCS we knew from the very start that its success was based on the proactive position it needed to be in to survive. The proactive stance not only guaranteed our survival but allowed us to take a small but needed position in the fashion realm to start as a base.

    This idea was shared with Anastacia Markova whom joined JCS around the same time she took over OPIUM. Now due to her pro active stance or as you call it, Iron Fisted Rule, OPIUM is in a very proactive state. Translation = her models are working. Plain and simple fact no one can deny.

    Maybe that is a concept that has eluded many of you here on Agency Report. Yes Frolic Mills is on my friends list. So are Mimi Boa and a few others. But I do not base my business model on who I know. Neither does Anastacia Markova. When I sit with Frolic and Anastacia we normally have to put up with Ana’s unusual gestures that have been known to cause Frolic dizzy spells. Yet we go out there and stay proactive with each of our companies to keep the momentum.

    “Whoa Johnathan Hiess is standing up for Anastacia Markova, I bet there is something going on between them!”

    Yes there is something between her and I. She is a member of my staff and I will be damned if I do not defend her position. If her BF made the cut for Mr. Virtual World then good for him. If Donatella’s man made the cut then good for him too. I have seen the way some of you gentlemen dress and your avatars. You act as if you got your style training from the virtual world THERE. Donatella and Anastacia at least took the time to make sure their men dressed right for this competition. This goes for some of you ladies as well. You buy so many skins all because a certain model has a look and you emulate that models image and wonder why no one will hire you.

    Here is a little advice if you can’t figure it out. To be successful model create a look that no one else has. That is how competitions are won and work is found

    And that in the end is why you got issues. A good chunk of you are too damn afraid to go into SL and make a mark for yourself. You launch an agency get a few models then bitch moan and complain on Agency Report about the proactive agencies and the people that are working. No one gave Jenna and I, an inch when we opened our doors. We made our own way. We did not run to anyone and say help me help me. We didn’t kiss the ass of any person to get to were we are. And we even turned away models from JCS because we refused to give them a special TAG that had a special model title.

    You want to be a successful model or have a proactive agency then do something and take a proactive stance. Stop with your I know this person mentality and do something that people will notice you for. If you do not have the financial backing then don’t try to play the role. Start small stay small build a good business model and then grow. Don’t be like those morons who start an agency and build those super runways that only see practice and very little show time.

    Be Proactive!

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  671. Clear-eyed Individual Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    My apologies Miaa is a talented lady (I think I said that but no mind) sad to see such talent wasted on Ana but we all have to live and learn. I have had the pleasure of her company if you want to call it that and was appalled that someone with so much standing could be so completely ill mannered. Then to sit at the Model’s workshop and hear her talk of ethics and integrity was nothing short of hysterical. So Kay I am sorry I mistook Miaa as a member of Opium before instead of after, it all happened so fast I am sure I am not the only avi who wonders. But the rest, even you have to raise an eyebrow at. I mean the pocketbook of Opium got picked? Come on….

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  672. Kay Fairey Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 10:48 am

    To Opium Takes Mr. Virtual World,

    Let me just clarify a fact.

    >And the winner of Miss VW was also an Opium Model.

    No she wasn’t. She was invited AFTER she won Miss Virtual World.

    Please get the facts straight and confirmed before you make any “public statements.”

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  673. Why Bother? Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Come on.

    Mr. Virtual World is not just another SL modeling popularity contest. It is the PREMIER pageant event for the men of SL. How dare you impugn its validity?

    With expert judges of “unquestionable integrity” conspiring, errrrr I meant, conferring, in the selection process how could anyone think that?

    For instance, representing the interests of all the women of SL we have none other then, ANASTACIA MARKOVA, whose ironfisted rule of OPIUM has been consolidated nicely with the deep pocketed backing of her boy, Romeo Torvalor. Ana seems to be expanding her influence beyond Opium’s borders nicely with her recent modeling distinctions and now being appointed a judge for this event. She recently gave a well received, lecture at the Model’s Workshop on modeling etiquette and ethics. She is well known for her selflessness in sharing the credit for all the successes that Opium achieves, her building prowess, the world-class customer service of her wedding planning endeavor, her even-handed management methods, her personal grace under fire and her refined, and intellectual, speaking style.

    Imagine my personal shock and surprise that her pal Romeo was one of those selected in the first round!

    Seated nearby was Ana’s close friend and equally, well known, (she is notable for her myriad important jobs and ability to juggle them all at the same time) Donnatella Couturier, ( a flirty yet refined, connoisseur of male beauty whose frequent fawning over a fine male avatar is renowned ), is no doubt spinning like the Tasmanian Devil at the unfounded, specious, allegations suggested in the previous post.

    To suggest that Anastacia, or any of her fellow SLebrity arbiters, is anything but ethical, and that she, or they, would select Opium models over other, more refined but less connected, individuals is beyond insulting. IT’S UNTHINKABLE

    HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST SUCH A THING.????

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  674. Opium takes Mr Virtual World Says:

    April 5, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Had the honor of attending the Mr. Virtual World Audition, it was fun there were groups with signs and general friendship. I was disturbed to see the owner of Opium Fashion Agency as a judge when a good chunk of the men auditioning model for them, seems as though it is a conflict of interest. Not sure but funny how most of the men chosen were Opium Models. And the winner of Miss VW was also an Opium Model. I am not sure all you read how it all went down and you decide…

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    [16:42] Aleida Rhode: .:: APPLAUSE!!!! ::.
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    [16:42] Sabine Blackburn: yes Kat
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    [16:43] Aleida Rhode shouts: Great job boyz
    [16:43] Deni Daehlie: APPLAUSE!!!!
    [16:43] Spirit Lexington: a great show
    [16:43] Lileaka Magic shouts: wooot Burly!!!!!
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    [16:43] Chez Hienrichs: imagines the view when they all turn to leave
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    [16:43] Hermione Mocha: lol
    [16:43] Anastacia Markova: zooms in
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  675. Vichonette Says:

    March 31, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    *giggles softly and sits back in the corner, munching popcorn and waiting to see what happens next*

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  676. Nave Fall Says:

    March 31, 2010 at 5:13 am

    Nave thinks to hisownself: ” Huh???? Whuteva does ARZ mean???”

    Hisownself 2 replies: “ARZ means, you tr1-polar idiots, that talking amongst ourownselfs is okay in our head, but not out loud in AgencyReport! Cause dat’s like being the master of your own domain…. Semi-satisfying, but a pale imitation of how it can be…..”

    Hisownself 3 replies: “Huh??? whatchu goin’ on about? Do you 2 ever STFU?”

    Hisownself 1 replies: I mean patting yourownself on the back is bad bad bad. Much better to have others tend to it for you.

    Hisownself 2 thinks this over: “Bu, bu , bu, but we stopped doing that a long time ago………..”

    Hisownself 1 replies: “Mmmmmhmmmm exactly, so there’s so reason to worry about it.We are in the clear, you 2 dooofuses.”

    Hisownself 3 replies: “But I still don’t gat it…….why would someone do that?”

    Hisownself 1 shakes his head, gets that weary look parents that unruly children sometime gets and sits down: Read this you 2………………

    “AgencyReport is very intolerant of certain kinds of BS and said so not that long ago:

    =====================================================

    And those of you TALKING TO YOURSELVES with several different names, if you don’t cut it out I’m going to list all of them that go to the same IP address, or ban you – I guess I can give you a choice. One more offense and you will be given this choice.

    Please don’t take advantage of me being lenient. To clarify, I’m not talking to those that make legitimate comments under different names on different pages, I’m specifically taking about this type of stuff:

    Same person name1: Wow that agency is REALLY REALLY awesome!

    Same person name2 chimes in: Ya it REALLY REALLY is, I also know name1 and he is awesome too!

    Same person name1 replies: Thanks! You are pretty swell yourself and btw that agency is REALLLLLLLLLY awesome too and so is their modeling school which is a great deal.

    Same person name3 jumps in: I also think that agency is awesome. I went to their famous school and I get all kinds of modeling work from them now.

    Same person name1 responds: See, this agency must be awesome because lots of people say so! I went there myself and I’m gonna be on YouTube now

    Same person name2 yet again: Hooray for all the awesomeness! Where do I sign up?

    Just cut it out, please.

    =====================================================

    Hisownself 2 comments: “We do that all the time”

    Hisownself 1 is exasperated: It’s okay to do it here in our communally shared headspace just not on AgencyReport. You moron…..”

    Hisownself 2: “Got it……..but we’ve been good! Can we have coffee now???

    Hisownself 3: “BTW why din’t YOU complain about that Grips thingy”

    Hisownself 1 gasps, then leaves, shaking his head and mumbling quietly to hisownself………….. “I need my heads examined.”

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  677. agencyreport Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    LOL, sorry Kat, my spelling isn’t always the best. I’ll fix it.

    I want to remind everyone of the consequences of affirming one’s self or talking to one’s self.

    1. identity exposed
    2. comment removal & banishment

    The first action will be taken immediately when I catch it. Yes, it could be a couple days, since I’m not always able to get on here and check IPs. The second action will take place if you don’t like your comment that broke the rule being forever exposed on this website.

    These rules are being enforced as a few of you may have noticed. Now what is OK to do is post anonymously on various pages. But DO NOT in any fashion post comments agreeing with your own self or talking about how yourself is so great or right or whatever.

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  678. Anonymous Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    wait im confused, i saw that whole Star Walkers chat and i gotta ask./..Now before i do, i am in no way attacking anyone for this, and i mean no harm, im just asking..but why should people apoligize to Franni? it seems like things got out of hand in the chat, she asked a question that seemed rude to others, whether it was or not i cannont say, and things just went down. I think people should just be like “whatever, crap happens” and move on from it.

    But this is just one persons opinion, i personally dont know Franni so i cannot say if she deserves it or not, but i saw the chat and i thought id say something

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  679. Kat Comet Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    I was looking at this particular heading for Agency Report and was wondering what it is I’m to get to “grip” about. I think the heading should read:

    Giving Second Life Models the power of knowledge
    – General Warnings, Scams, GRIPES, Rants, Conversations, Cat Fights, Etc (94)

    I don’t know…maybe we are to just get a grip!

    Live for today!
    ~Kat~

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  680. QueenBrat Bracken Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Nave is a great friend to have and I applaud him for clearing the air.A lot of people would never publicly say they hurt someone and apologize.He did and I respect that.His posts are funny and a lot of people do like them. It’s like watching your favorite show you can’t wait to see what happens next.:)

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  681. navefall Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    CAT FIGHTS???????????????????

    I almost died when I saw that change.

    I could have choked to death if I’d been drinking coffee when I read it, which would have been weirdly just I suppose.

    I think this all resides under the heading of “no good deed goes unpunished” I merely wanted the record straight. I didn’t want to re-open old wounds or appear as insincere to AVENUE or Rusch Raymaker herself.

    I thought I’d cleared that air with Jersey/Dolce once and for all, some time ago. Silly me…………….

    I do appreciate the, unsolicited, votes of support, which AgencyReport Zepp knows weren’t me posting on my own behalf no matter what anyone else may think.

    Changing the title to include “Cat Fights” cracked me up. I’m still laughing here…………. That made my day. I am easily amused I guess.

    Hopefully this can all fade away now……….

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  682. Frani Dressler Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    2010/03/30 at 4:16pm

    to “The Truth” LMAO!

    points up, my name, points to yours, not your name

    Alt? I was given this character by my RL sister to use for a thesis I’m writing, so sorry. Am I an agency head? no, I’m a graduate student using SL as a research project.

    Jealous, uh, no

    Alts again, Jersey/Dolce has so many alts it makes most heads spin

    and if you read this chat posted by Starwalkers 2010, I was simply asking a question of someone trying to understand how they can take peoples money for classes and training they are clearly not qualified to teach

    So get off your gilded soap box and don’t fling words unless you have the facts to support them

    (moved by Agency Report to the General comments page where conversations should be held)

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  683. Starwalkers 2010 groupchat ... Jersey/Dolce Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    2010/03/30 at 4:00pm

    I got sent a transcript of an OPEN StarWalkers 2010 chat today that bothers me. A LOT……….

    I’m very disheartened to find things like this waiting for me when I log in and read things like this.

    Frani Dressler, a new model, asked a question about a comment that was made in open chat by Dolce Enderfield/Jersey Cerino of Deja Vu and got disrespected, spanked, threatened, talked down to and, generally, badly mistreated, She had legitimate questions which were dismissed out of hand. She was mocked. That’s just WRONG…………….

    I don’t understand this at all. I’d like this discussed. I’d also like Frani apologized to by anyone who thinks they owe her an apology. I’ll be asking her about it. I did my best to soothe her but it wasn’t how I wanted to spend an hour of MY time.

    I’m just the not very happy right now,

    Nave Fall

    [2010/02/08 14:58] Frani Dressler: wait, you only own 2 skins, and would make a lousy model…yet you own an agency and run a modeling school?
    [2010/02/08 14:59] Nefertiti Kimagawa: hmm?
    [2010/02/08 14:59] TigerLily Haiku: :O
    [2010/02/08 14:59] TigerLily Haiku: I logged in at the wrong time
    [2010/02/08 14:59] Frani Dressler: thats what Dolce just siad
    [2010/02/08 15:00] Skylar Jovinavic: Boogie, did u find a skin
    [2010/02/08 15:00] Dolce Enderfield: Frani, yes…I don’t model.
    [2010/02/08 15:01] Dolce Enderfield: And I own way more than 2 skins, but I only use one or two mainly.
    [2010/02/08 15:01] Frani Dressler: isn’t that sort of..contradictory?
    [2010/02/08 15:01] Nefertiti Kimagawa: not really
    [2010/02/08 15:01] Dolce Enderfield: No…unless I’m going to model.
    [2010/02/08 15:02] Frani Dressler: seems to me someone running an agency and school for modeling, would first need to be someone who would make a good model
    [2010/02/08 15:02] TigerLily Haiku: Using one skin as a model is fine, and in no way measures how good a model you are.
    [2010/02/08 15:03] Clif Sharktooth: You dont need 100 skins to teach and pass on years of experience
    [2010/02/08 15:03] Clif Sharktooth: and a skin doesent make you a model by any means
    [2010/02/08 15:03] Frani Dressler: the number of skins isn’t what made my eyebrows go up
    [2010/02/08 15:03] Frani Dressler: the comment, I’d make a lousy model did
    [2010/02/08 15:03] Dolce Enderfield: I don’t like modeling.
    [2010/02/08 15:03] Dolce Enderfield: I prefer doing all the other work.
    [2010/02/08 15:04] Frani Dressler: you don’t like modeling, but you teach it
    [2010/02/08 15:04] Frani Dressler: makes no sense to me
    [2010/02/08 15:04] Dolce Enderfield: So yes, I would make a lousy model, because my hearts not into being a model…the keyword there…being.
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Frani Dressler: but…if you’d make a lousy model, how can you teach how to be one? I’m just trying to understand that concept
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Frani Dressler: being you charge for classes and what not
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Majest Dezno: she is a great model, just chooses not to model lmao
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Majest Dezno: she likes the busniess aspects
    [2010/02/08 15:05] Celeszta Szondi: This is ludicrous
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Majest Dezno: yea let it go lmao
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Nefertiti Kimagawa: I think she was just saying that as a joke frani
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Celeszta Szondi: One need not be it to train it
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Frani Dressler: sorry, I just see alot of people taking peoples money to teach them supposedly how to be a model, yet, makes me wonder
    [2010/02/08 15:06] Celeszta Szondi: Or prefer it to train it
    [2010/02/08 15:07] Majest Dezno: yep ㋡ just have to be sure to do ur research first
    [2010/02/08 15:07] Dolce Enderfield won’t touch that further.
    [2010/02/08 15:07] Frani Dressler: I’m just trying to grasp how it all works is all, sorry to it annoys you all
    [2010/02/08 15:08] Dolce Enderfield: Its not annoying Frani…I think maybe if you approached it in a little less of an attacking manner, it’d be fine.
    [2010/02/08 15:08] Frani Dressler: I asked a question, don;t assume how it was asked
    [2010/02/08 15:08] Dolce Enderfield: I question everything myself, so I understand.
    [2010/02/08 15:08] Vichonette Constantine: There is a great deal more to being a model than skins. It’s attitude, styling, dependability, performance on the runway no matter what the obstacle, paying attention, being on time, being open minded and willing to give what the designers want… a whole lot of things that have nothing to do with whether you spent $2K on a skin or $200
    [2010/02/08 15:09] Nefertiti Kimagawa: agreed
    [2010/02/08 15:09] Celeszta Szondi: Absolutely
    [2010/02/08 15:10] Dolce Enderfield: Frani, we are left to assume a lot in SL when we cannot see facial expressions or body language or tone of voice. Emoting or explaining further here sometimes helps, but if thats not done and a person doesn’t know you well…they are left to take it as they see it.
    [2010/02/08 15:10] Frani Dressler: My comment wasn’t about skins or what they cost…actually, Dolce referred to that, my reaction was to the comment she’d make a lousy model…I found that interesting since she charges people to teach them to be one…
    [2010/02/08 15:11] Nefertiti Kimagawa: I think and i can not speak for dolce but i really do think she meant it as a joke
    [2010/02/08 15:11] Dolce Enderfield grins. I know a lot of people who make excellent teachers but lousy at the actual job.
    [2010/02/08 15:12] Dolce Enderfield: Besides, I’ve modeled before and do it on rare occassions when I need to.
    [2010/02/08 15:12] Dolce Enderfield: And, with that…don’t assume anything. 🙂
    [2010/02/08 15:12] Dolce Enderfield pokes Gamp.
    [2010/02/08 15:13] Frani Dressler: well, as a fledgling model, with not alot of Linden, it’s disturbing to me to see an agency head make a comment like that, joking or not. I want to know that if I invest my meager lindens in a class, it’s taught by someone thats qualified and has a passion for what they do…sorry if thats offensive
    [2010/02/08 15:13] Skylar Jovinavic: VICH!
    [2010/02/08 15:13] Skylar Jovinavic: well said
    [2010/02/08 15:13] Majest Dezno: everyone is entitled to their opinion frani 🙂 thats why its imp to spend alot of time looking at dif agencies and classes to find the right one for you
    [2010/02/08 15:13] Skylar Jovinavic: 🙂
    [2010/02/08 15:14] Frani Dressler: agencies and schools are a dime a dozen in SL, but for those of us starting out and poor…it’s a huge thing to think about
    [2010/02/08 15:14] Gamp Lane: Help..why did you poke me Dolce?
    [2010/02/08 15:14] Hermione Mocha: i don’t think that any model is better then the other.. and to down someone because maybe they have made a few mistakes itsn’t right at all
    [2010/02/08 15:14] Dolce Enderfield: Frani, I do understand. And some advice I can pass on to you, as an agency owner, is to watch how and what you say in groups like this, that are filled with professions in the modeling and fashion industry…
    [2010/02/08 15:15] Dolce Enderfield: *professionals
    [2010/02/08 15:15] Vichonette Constantine: Hey Skylar… thanks!
    [2010/02/08 15:15] Frani Dressler: I could say the same advice to you Dolce, being you are representing one
    [2010/02/08 15:15] Dolce Enderfield: Because how you appear here and other groups is noted and that could affect you possibly as a model if someone doesn’t like your remarks or attitude from a conversation they saw in a group chat.
    [2010/02/08 15:16] Hermione Mocha: big hugs to everyone 🙂 )
    [2010/02/08 15:16] Frani Dressler: and you can turn people off from joining your agency and taking your classes just as easily….which is the point I’m trying to make
    [2010/02/08 15:17] Dolce Enderfield: I do it all the time. I’m in no way trying to be rude or mean or offensive…I understand your points and trying to help you understand and also give you some advice.
    [2010/02/08 15:17] Frani Dressler: you made a comment that surprised me being your position….and it made me question, excuse me
    [2010/02/08 15:17] Dolce Enderfield hugs Herm.
    [2010/02/08 15:17] Hermione Mocha: 🙂 )
    [2010/02/08 15:17] Dolce Enderfield: Gamp, I poked you to change the subject.
    [2010/02/08 15:17] Majest Dezno: lol
    [2010/02/08 15:17] Hermione Mocha: lol
    [2010/02/08 15:17] Clif Sharktooth: I can say that SL is huge but the fashion industry is alot smaller than you think and models talk to models and designers to designers photographers to photographers and so on and the start to a good model begins with a Great attitude it will open more doors than you realize
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Cinna Button: Hermmmm I can’t wait for FAME to start casting!
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Dolce Enderfield: CInna!!!!
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Hermione Mocha: yay!! hey Cinna
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Clif Sharktooth: if your fear is lindens than its a process like with anything save em up and the more you learn the better you will be
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Frani Dressler: so as a model we should shut up and not question?
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Dolce Enderfield: Nope, but its how you do it that makes a difference.
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Majest Dezno: no just question a little nicer hehe
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Celeszta Szondi: Drop the attitude and question as you like
    [2010/02/08 15:18] Hermione Mocha: yes, being nice and not coming off rude is very important hun
    [2010/02/08 15:19] Frani Dressler: LOL, interesting, I asked a simple question based on something an agenciy head made, and I’m the bad one…
    [2010/02/08 15:19] Hermione Mocha: no one said you were bad hun
    [2010/02/08 15:19] Frani Dressler: you just called me rude
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Majest Dezno: it was just how it came across is all were saying and how you come back to responses..we understand your curiosity
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Hermione Mocha: no i didnt
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Hermione Mocha: i was talking in general hun
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Clif Sharktooth: no its the content of the question as if your saying because she only uses a skin or two than she isent a good teacher its the implication that sparked the convo 😉
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Hermione Mocha: i wasn’t pointing at anyone
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Dolce Enderfield: I’ve been in the modeling and fashion industry in SL for over a year now. Granted I’ve not always been perfect and have made tons of mistakes and have been a bitch to people in the past….but I’ve stuck in there and make those changes. I’m not out to screw you or anyone over…I do a lot of stuff for free…in fact, when I reopen my agency in the next day or two, I’ll be taking in students for free.
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Frani Dressler: and I see comments implying that I am now discarded for asking a question, being told to watch what I ask and say
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Clif Sharktooth: not the question per say 😀
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Clif Sharktooth: nope not at all
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Sabine Blackburn: can you please solve your dicussion in private IM else I will have to mute you thank you 🙂
    [2010/02/08 15:20] Frani Dressler: No Clif, DOLCE said that, I just questioned it
    [2010/02/08 15:21] Clif Sharktooth: read it back over youve gotten a lesson for free from several models owners and instructors 😀
    [2010/02/08 15:21] Dolce Enderfield: Babsy is back.
    [2010/02/08 15:21] Clif Sharktooth: right riht I understand
    [2010/02/08 15:21] Majest Dezno runs and hides from Sabine lol 😛
    [2010/02/08 15:21] Dolce Enderfield waddles over to Babsy.
    [2010/02/08 15:21] Cinna Button: Fran, don’t take it personally, just let it go and move on. Let’s all have a great day because today is beautiful!
    [2010/02/08 15:21] Hermione Mocha: please understand we arent trying to point at anyone.. we were just saying in general hun

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  684. The truth shall set you free.. Jersey/Dolce Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    2010/03/30 at 3:56pm

    Wow Frani. O my bad. Thats not your real name, is it? Yes, we know you are the alt of someone well known in sl-the people u bragged to in IM couldnt keep quiet, so I’d think twice about ragging on anyone about the use of alts.
    You should be ashamed at trying to cause trouble, twist words and being deceitful.
    Dolce doesn’t hate modeling unless something changed very recently and she now does and truth be told, I wouldn’t blame her. There are people like Franni by the dozens sneaking around on alts, being deceptive and creating lies and drama. Her words were, and I quote, as I went ahead and brought up my own copy of the chat log from that chat thanks to the hard work of Nave Fall:

    [2010/02/08 15:03] Dolce Enderfield: I don’t like modeling.
    [2010/02/08 15:03] Dolce Enderfield: I prefer doing all the other work.

    Anyone with half a brain here would know that she is talking about modeling herself, not modeling overall.
    I’d love to see actual, unaltered proof of where Dolce or Jersey is belittling any model, new or not. My experience with her has always been the opposite.
    Want my opinion of you? I think you are really some lousy agency head with too much time on your hands who is jealous of people like Dolce.
    In fact, I remember that Starwalker chat, as I was there and have the chat log thanks to Nave who if someone wasnt there, made sure they knew by spamming the entire chatlog via notices to a few modeling groups.
    Dolce posts in modeling groups that she has sex? Hmm. Thats strange. I belong to several of the same groups she does and I haven’t seen that. You would think that the group owners would say something or kick her out, right? Unless no one else is seeing it except you? Maybe you are referring to chats like BOSL where many of the chatters kwno each other and they enjoy a group chat among themselves?
    I’ll digress and move on. Her partner, Demi? Nope, nada, nein, no way is she an alt of Dolces.
    It seems that Nave Fall a.k.a. DesPlaines Waverider + his many alts and anonymity rules Agency Report with his current buddies who back him up because they think Nave is someone important who can get them far or does special favors for them. All hail King Nave.
    I’m going to post the Starwalker chat in here for all to see. Keep in mind that its not in violation of TOS and that Franni is an alt and not who she claims she is.

    I’m just,

    The truth.

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  685. Frani Dressler Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    2010/03/30 at 2:07pm

    So let me get this straight

    Dolce, who has 500+ alts to run her fabulous modeling agency.

    Who hates modeling herself and goes out of her way to belittle new models.

    Who has to post in modeling groups that she has sex,like anyone reading would care,I swear her partner is another alt of hers.

    Who has no class, no clue and feels the need to attack Nave, of all people, to feel mighty?

    Dolce, let me fill you in on something, not one person I have met seems to have any respect for you. You open and close your agency as if it was a door. You run at the mouth and make a fool of yourself daily.

    Nave on the other hand has helped myself and many others repeatedly, yeah, he spews literary crap, but, at least his has some fact and basis behind it, and…he’s funny as hell…thats if you understand tongue in cheek humor presented in a creative and sophisticated way, which, obviously, you don’t.

    So Dolce, as you said to me once in Starwalkers,

    “honey, know your place and keep your mouth shut”

    lovingly,
    Frani Dressler

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  686. Frani Dressler Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    2010/03/30 at 1:54pm

    O.o rolls them eyes

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  687. Charm School Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    2010/03/30 at 1:37pm

    I cannot understand where Jersey/Dolce got the notion that she is an authority to be reckoned with. Vulgarity is not ladylike, well they say crows will always be crows 🙂 .

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  688. anononymous Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    2010/03/30 at 12:41pm

    Jersey, just as many people are tired of your bullying ways, self righteous and insulting attitude and overall demeanor. Nave is clearing the air on a misunderstanding involving himself and this thread and taking responsibility for something he said that hurt someone. When have you ever taken responsibility, publicly, for what you have done? The answer is never. If you don’t like Nave’s posts don’t read them and let those of us who like them enjoy them without your 2 cents, and I guarantee there are many of us who like his posts.But I have yet to see anyone like yours.

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  689. Jersey/Dolce Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    2010/03/29 at 2:41pm

    Between the two of you, I don’t know who lacks less brains.

    Andrzej…who dies and then keeps playing the victim in post after post after he knows no one cares nor wants to hear about it…

    or

    Nave…who doesn’t listen and feels the need to share his redundant, self righteous and failed attempts to be comical crap posts on any page he can, regardless if he knows anything about the situation or its any of his business.

    This is not Nave’s personal forum or Andrzej’s funeral forum or 12 steps to stop dying and playing the victim program.

    Quit kissing ass, trying to appear intelligent and acting like you are God’s gift to this forum. A LOT of people are sick of it.

    Sick to death of the BS on here…

    Jersey/Dolce

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  690. navefall (yes the real one) Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    2010/03/29 at 12:00pm

    This is really Nave Fall here……………….

    Not Nave, or Nastyfall, or any of my other various and sundry, fans, emulators or potstirrers.

    You can tell because I’m signed into WordPress while posting this. 😛

    So now we know which Nave Fall is posting this…………………….

    I had no intention to denigrate, disparage or point any fingers at: AVENUE, Rusch Raymaker CEO of AVENUE Inc., her CMO Jesika Contepomi, or Donnatella Couturier. Andrzej Markova/ Ryszard of Fashion InLook is another story, he seemed fair game for one of my amusing, if politically incorrect, posts. Amusing to me anyway.

    I want to reiterate that I think AVENUE as an organization is worthy of respect for the success it’s achieved after 2 ½ years of hard work. The team at AVENUE does consistent, and timely, work and exemplifies professionalism. Their agency, magazine and school, together, are a three-pronged powerhouse of fashion activities that rivals any other in SL. PERIOD.

    My previous apology to Ms Couturier could have been posted in the AVENUE thread I suppose, but I deferred to Agencyreport Zepp’s request to use the General Warnings, Scams, Grip(e)s, Rants thread for that so it may have been missed by some of you who read the previous post……………..where Andrzej Markova/Ryszard of Fashion InLook was my target of opportunity. The target wasn’t AVENUE, Rusch, Jesika, or Donnatella

    Here’s that previous post. Now it can be here, in the AVENUE thread where it should have been to start with.

    =========================================================

    Nave Fall Says:

    I make lots of mistakes. I try hard not to make the same mistake more than three or four times. Really…………….
    Recently I made one, yet again, that I regret and I want to apologize in public.

    I apologize to Donnatella Couturier. Here. In public. Now for everyone to see.

    /me sighs, fingers meshed and looking down, shuffling my feet and exuding guilty vibes, which envelope me in angst. I am doing my best Jon Stewart here.

    In my recent post about Andrzej Markova/ Ryszard Merchiston on the

    AVENUE (62)


    thread I included Ms Couturier, a completely, innocent bystander who I, unfortunately, offended. I didn’t need to do that and, inadvertently, I hurt her feelings. That was NEVER my intention. She was, and continues to be, one of many victims of the now, unmasked, reviled, and infamous, Andrzej Markova/Ryszard Merchiston’s machinations. She was not the cause of his myriad problems. It’s really nice to have someone to blame for all your troubles. Donnatella served as that scapegoat for him. No doubt I’ll become a focus of his interest at this point………… That’s okay

    /me sighs and then looks up, hands held out and imploring your belief

    Let me make my point here again:

    I, sincerely, apologize to Ms Couturier for using her, and her relationship, with Andrzej Markova/Ryszard Merchiston, as a needless participant in one of my sometimes, but not always, well conceived satires on life in the world of SL modeling. I was defending her, but her take of that post is different. Hence my clarification now.

    Please accept this apology in the way it’s offered Ms. Couturier.

    I, also, may have given the impression that I thought Andrzej Markova/Ryszard Merchiston had valid issues with AVENUE Inc’s treatment of his difficulties with their conservative, advertising policies and business model. I do not. NOT EVEN CLOSE. His own: he’s up he’s down he’s up he’s down, history required them to be ultra-conservative in how they dealt with him and his various alts/personas and I, personally, applaud that caution on their part. I respect what AVENUE Inc is, and the well deserved position AVENUE occupies in the worlds of SL Publishing, Modeling and Fashion. I’ve told, both, Rusch Raymaker CEO of AVENUE Inc., and her CMO Jesika Contepomi, that I intended no disrespect and had the clarification of my position accepted

    Back to Ms. Couturier:

    Donnatella Couturier is one of the hardest working people in that swirling fashion world of wannabes, and couldabeens. Renowned by many as an: Assistant to Presidents, trusted advisor to many current, and past, modeling agency CEOs including Lacie Beningborough and DesPlaines Waverider at Catalyst of Fantasy and, the aforementioned, Andrzej Markova/Ryszard of Fashion InLook and Hermione Mocha and Clif Sharktooth of F.A. M. E. Donnatella is an accomplished interviewer and writer, avatar makeover specialist, model and stylist, friend, cheerleader for, and confidante of, the famous, PR guru, COO/Operations specialist, Editor in Chief of various magazines and more. You’d be lucky to get her to work for, or with, you. In her short SLife she has occupied some very, prestigious positions at spectacular firms including Catalyst of Fantasy, SuperElite, F.A.M.E., Maverick, my god the list is endless it just goes on and on (I’m sure she can provide you a list of her published articles and a current CV if you ask for it.). In her current role at DejaVu Int’l she serves as both the COO and Editor in Chief of this very, interesting magazine which blends SL articles with the real world. I wish her the best of luck in this demanding role.

    I want to reiterate (not again that would be redundant) that I meant no harm, or god forbid, disrespect to Ms Couturier who was so miffed over my drama creation that she’s left her position as an Officer/Moderator with StarWalkers 2010 over this incident. I hope that she will reconsider that decision since she provides many worthwhile ideas and serves as an ever-vigilant watchdog of StarWalkers 2010’s simple, policy structure. Thank you for your efforts Donnatella. Sabine, Ana, Herra and all the constituents of StarWalkers 2010 would like you stay with us.

    Okay…………..I’m done

    I’m just

    Nave Fall
    ========================================================

    I’m really, really, realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly done with this one now. I hope everyone’s feelings are soothed except the dead guy. Or is he a live guy,? I get confused trying to keep up.

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  691. Andrzej Saenz Says:

    March 30, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    2010/03/29 at 8:14am

    You will understood what i have writing.
    I have a heart of glass. And you really can’t kill me. If you really what to know who i’am.
    I did start my first account in 2004. Thats already a while ago.. After i did create my first Scarfs and hats. I did work for many many company’s.. I did create many secondlife Malls. Lindenlab told me i was a goldmind in the Secondlife History.. After i left that account i did create Georgee Alter. And some other accounts. Dance Island the best Secondlife club i was a big part of it… I’m so sad that i heard about Models in secondlife.. And im so honest. I really hate Modeling.. After i was starting liking it. People are jealous. I wont tell everything becaus you nuttheads wont understand it..
    I know who i can trusth. And i believe your day will end to.. My mother always sayd ::: Who laughs last. laughs best.. So Mr Donnatella and Jersey. it would be a honor if you open your books to. Because im sure that you can write 3 books about your whole secondlife life. And i will do the same what you both did to me.. I will pray till you both die! This was my last message because i already left dramalife.
    I will continue working on my real furniture. * laugs* Regards Miss Saenz.
    You will understood what i have writing. I have a heart of glass. And you really can’t kill me. If you really what to know who i’am. I did start my first account in 2004. Thats already a while ago.. After i did create my first Scarfs and hats. I did work for many many company’s.. I did create many secondlife Malls. Lindenlab told me i was a goldmind in the Secondlife History.. After i left that account i did create Georgee Alter. And some other accounts. Dance Island the best Secondlife club i was a big part of it… I’m so sad that i heard about Models in secondlife.. And im so honest. I really hate Modeling.. After i was starting liking it. People are jealous. I wont tell everything becaus you nuttheads wont understand it.. I know who i can trusth. And i believe your day will end to.. My mother always sayd ::: Who laughs last. laughs best.. So Mr Donnatella and Jersey. it would be a honor if you open your books to. Because im sure that you can write 3 books about your whole secondlife life. And i will do the same what you both did to me.. I will pray till you both die! This was my last message because i already left dramalife. I will continue working on my real furniture. * laugs* Regards Miss Saenz.
    Andrzej Saenz

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  692. Brittney Scorpio Says:

    March 18, 2010 at 11:38 am

    and to add to this, i generally dont go for photo contests anymore. They are all popularity contests, whoever has the most friends is the winner. I like the Model Fest contest JCNY has going on now, that one is judged by people, not votes. Also The Rubies and Diamonds contest on flickr is good to check out too

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  693. Brittney Scorpio Says:

    March 18, 2010 at 11:37 am

    its ok Nave, at least you apoligized for it, i know how it feels to get my name dragged through the mud, only to have it be not true, then for the person (who shall remain nameless, but i know goes on here) to not apoligize. I read the post, and its ok, im sure she will forgive 🙂

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  694. Nave Fall Says:

    March 18, 2010 at 9:13 am

    I make lots of mistakes. I try hard not to make the same mistake more than three or four times. Really…………….

    Recently I made one, yet again, that I regret and I want to apologize in public.

    I apologize to Donnatella Couturier. Here. In public. Now for everyone to see.

    /me sighs, fingers meshed and looking down, shuffling my feet and exuding guilty vibes, which envelope me in angst. I am doing my best Jon Stewart here.

    In my recent post about Andrzej Markova/ Ryszard Merchiston on the

    AVENUE (62)

    thread I included Ms Couturier, a completely, innocent bystander who I, unfortunately, offended. I didn’t need to do that and, inadvertently, I hurt her feelings. That was NEVER my intention. She was, and continues to be, one of many victims of the now, unmasked, reviled, and infamous, Andrzej Markova/ Ryszard Merchiston’s machinations. She was not the cause of his myriad problems. It’s really nice to have someone to blame for all your troubles. Donnatella served as that for him. No doubt I’ll become a focus of his interest at this point…………

    /me sighs and then looks up, hands held out and imploring your belief

    Let me make my point here again:

    I sincerely apologize to Ms Couturier for using her and her relationship with Andrzej Markova/ Ryszard Merchiston, as a needless participant in one of my sometimes, but not always, well conceived satires on life in the world of SL modeling. I was defending her, but her take is very different. Hence my clarification now.

    Please accept this apology in the way it’s offered Ms. Couturier.

    I also may have given the impression that I thought Andrzej Markova/ Ryszard Merchiston had valid issues with AVENUE Inc’s treatment of his difficulties with their advertising policy and business model. I do not. NOT EVEN CLOSE. His own: he’s up he’s down he’s up he’s down, history required them to be ultra-conservative in how they dealt with him and his various alts/personas and I personally applaud that caution on their part. I respect what AVENUE Inc is, and the well deserved position AVENUE occupies in the worlds of SL Publishing, Modeling and Fashion. I’ve told, both, Rusch Raymaker CEO of AVENUE Inc., and her CMO Jesika Contepomi, that I intended no disrespect and had that clarification of my position accepted

    Back to Ms. Couturier:

    Donnatella Couturier is one of the hardest working people in that swirling fashion world of wannabes, and couldabeens. Renowned by many of us as an: Assistant to Presidents, trusted advisor to many current, and past, modeling agency CEOs including Lacie Beningborough and DesPlaines Waverider at Catalyst of Fantasy and, the aforementioned, Andrzej Markova/ Ryszard of Fashion InLook. Donnatella is an accomplished interviewer and writer, avatar makeover specialist. model and stylist, friend, cheerleader for, and confidante of, the famous, PR guru, COO/Operations specialist, Editor in Chief of various magazines and more. You’d be lucky to get her to work for, or with, you. In her short SLife she has occupied some very, prestigious positions at spectacular firms including Catalyst of Fantasy, SuperElite, F.A.M.E., Maverick, my god the list is endless it just goes on and on (I’m sure she can provide you a list of her published articles and a current CV if you ask for it.). In her current role at DejaVu Int’l she serves as both the COO and Editor in Chief of this very, interesting magazine which blends SL articles with the real world. Iwish her the best in this demanding role.

    I want to reiterate (not again that would be redundant ) that I meant no harm, or god forbid, disrespect to Ms Couturier who was so miffed over my drama creation that she’s left her position as an Officer/Moderator with StarWalkers 2010 over this incident. I hope that she will reconsider that decision since she provides many worthwhile ideas and serves as an ever-vigilant watchdog of StarWalkers 2010’s simple policy structure. Thank you for your efforts Donnatella. Sabine, Ana, Herra and all the constituents of StarWalkers 2010 would like you stay with us.

    Okay…………..I’m done

    I’m just

    Nave Fall

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  695. Nave Fall Says:

    March 14, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Crash, I’m ashamed to admit that when I see a wreck unfolding before my eyes, unless it’s a semi trailer heading for me ( in which case I am prone to flooring it and getting out of the way, thank god for turbo-chargers btw ) I watch too. So we share that human failing………….

    That said, I looked up some of the words you used to describe me. I thought I understood them all but I checked just to be sure…………….

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    self•-aggrandizement (-ə gran′diz mənt)

    noun

    the act of making oneself more powerful, wealthy, etc., esp. in a ruthless way

    Comment: I don’t think that particular definition fits me at all, others might. In fact, as many of my friends can attest it is the farthest possible thing from the truth

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ruthless [ˈruːθlɪs]
    adj
    feeling or showing no mercy; hardhearted

    I am never ruthless……….. I’m very merciful and, frequently, generous to my detractors. I offered to pay to start a group for, and provide a t-shirt and an aluminum foil hat to, one of them on AgencyReport somewhere not that long ago.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    eru•dite (er′yo̵̅o̅ dīt′, er′o̵̅o̅-; er′yə-, er′ə-)
    adjective
    having or showing a wide knowledge gained from reading; learned; scholarly

    Etymology: Middle English erudit, from Latin eruditus, from past participle of erudire to instruct, from e- + rudis rude, ignorant
    Date: 15th century

    Well, yes, erudite fits me to a T. ……… I use the English language very well.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As for the legion of my anonymouse, and pseudonymouse, critics, I have several things to say. You know me I speak my mind.

    1)We can always discuss anything you wish 1 on 1 in a private IM if you wish in-world

    2)I have, repeatedly, said that I am not twisting anyone’s arm, god forbid wasting their precious, paid for by the character no doubt, bandwidth, by forcing them, or anyone, to read my posts. If you, or anyone else for that matter, dislikes my witty repartee, skip over it. I am not writing for you or seeking your approval. I swear I am not….

    3)While I agree that there are valid reasons, times and places, to post anonymousely, and pseudonymousely, on AgencyReport there is no need to fear my wrath. So don’t do so on my part. I realize that people fear appearing controversial, or even opinionated, within the modeling and fashion communities of SL lest some fashionista diva/divo notice and blackball them. I, thankfully, fear neither because I am not a model and I don’t need to curry favor within those communities or with those mercurial diva/divo trendsetters. You might think that I keep a list of my enemies but I do not ( okay there is one person but that hardly comprises a list ffs……. She knows who she is and why she is on my list and now that her quest for fame has been derailed due to lack of funding, it matters even less then it once did ). When I attend a casting, or I’m presented with a list of models to peruse by an agency CEO for Tres Beau’s selection in an event we’re considering doing, I depend on Kimmera Madison, Tres Beau’s CEO and Designer, who has her own list that she works from of who’s been naughty and who’s been nice, to choose who she likes to walk HER work. THAT is an interesting list btw and not one you would want to be on because if is shared with other designers. My personal prejudices on who should be chosen are never a consideration ( wwwtfw – try goggling that one ). Feel free to tell me in public that you think I am an a-hole, a degenerate or a blowhard. We can debate it if you want to be shown to be ignorant and prejudiced, neither of which I am.

    4)The respite was not well received by my fans. So I relented 😛

    I’m still just,

    Nave Fall

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  696. crash Says:

    March 11, 2010 at 9:26 am

    it’s like a car wreck, sometimes you can’t look away…but bravo ‘anon’ commentors you give us something to read besides nave’s erudite (coughs) ejaculations
    (google self-aggrandizement)

    so much for the respite on commenting

    i’m just…

    rolling my eyes

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  697. navefall Says:

    March 10, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Nave; I’ve read and re-read your comments all over Agency Report.

    Comment: You read and then re-read???? I can write s l o w e r for you if it helps your comprehension any

    Did someone once tell you that you were witty?

    Comment: Lots of people, who get it, tell me I’m witty. In your case……nm

    I think you must have misheard them, perhaps it started with “shi….” instead.

    Comment: It always gets down to potty jokes. You need better writers on your staff.

    I would tell you to try harder, but you are already trying much, much too hard.

    Comment: Speaking of trying, whoever you are…….try find some guts and use your own name. I did think that the Nave Fail pseudonym was pretty witty though.

    I’m just….

    Comment: You’re just not as incisive as you think. We know that. Let’s not belabor the obvious.

    finding the Benny Hill show funnier than you.

    Comment: You said it not me. If Benny Hill is your cup of Earl Grey, I say more power to you. If I were you, however, I’d, finally give my Mom back the 1962 black and white TV along with your very own, over-clocked, formerly SOTA Commodore 64, move out of her basement to the back garage, buy a Sony Bravia flatscreen, get cable for your, now much improved living arrangements, and finally, if you don’t like my sense of humor feel free to entertain us your own with lame, re-gifted Benny Hill shtick ……………

    I’m still just

    Nave Fall

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  698. Nave Fail Says:

    March 9, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Nave; I’ve read and re-read your comments all over Agency Report. Did someone once tell you that you were witty? I think you must have misheard them, perhaps it started with “shi….” instead. I would tell you to try harder, but you are already trying much, much too hard.

    I’m just….

    finding the Benny Hill show funnier than you.

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  699. Jersey/Dolce Says:

    March 8, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I agree, Herra. While *my* job isn’t always fun, overall, I enjoy it immensely and I’m having fun in my own way. I do hope that the actual models of SL are having fun as well and keep that in mind as they go through their days.

    I don’t have a huge problem with Downtown M.A. …except for one of the owners profile (Michael’s), the instant “model” tag they give out to anyone and yes, that horrible runway. But, I am glad they are having fun at what they do, even if we don’t approve. 🙂

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  700. Herra Says:

    March 8, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    You know, I went to a fashion show that Downtown Modeling Academy had on Saturday. I expected to come here and post some snarky crap but something dawned on me while watch that show.

    They were having fun!

    Honestly, I think SL Modeling has gotten so fricking competitive that sometimes we forget that we are here to have fun. And I saw 3 gals walking the runway that were just having the time of their life and people enjoyed watching it. They all clapped and cheered and well, it got me ‘clapping & cheering’.

    I kinda wish they ditch that horrible poseball runway and show them how to really walk a runway walk – I think that would be a real improvement in modeling and might actually help show models how to properly do modeling.

    But ultimately the girls were having fun, which is something I wish more SL models would remember to do. Everytime I see an ‘Anon’ post rant & rave about some sort of ills of SL Modeling – to me they seem like people who are no longer having fun with Modeling.

    I think we all need to relax and enjoy ourselves!

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  701. navefall Says:

    March 8, 2010 at 9:14 am

    /me thinks this over………..

    This reminds me of those offers you get in the mail that say in big red letters, on the outside of the envelope, “YOU WON A TRIP” All you have to do to collect your prize is join us for dinner (don’t ask DO NOT GO THERE) and attend a short “Marketing” seminar tonight at Model $5 which turns out to be the HARDEST HAAAAAAARD HAAAAAAAAAAAAARD pitch for time-share condominiums in Nowhereyouwanna Buy that the known universe has ever seen. Ooops I mean Bay.

    Nowhwereyouwanna Bay is a place somewhere infested with fire ants, known for hantavirus, wildly believed to be the place originated at touristas, complete with, frequent, tsunamis and, thrice annual, hurricanes. The maintenance crew are former members of Pol Pot’s Kymer Rouge (google Killing Fields) who escaped with their lives and hope to use Nowhereyouwanna Bay as a base of operations in the near future.

    Sooooooooo you go for it and show up for the “seminar” errrrrr THE casting. Awwwww, you don’t get chosen but you’re close. Poor baby. Bummer. Ohhhhh but you were so so close, you get the consolation prize….. The pitch.

    For only L$8-10,000 they can “train” you and then it will work the next time because they are the “Pros” the BEST in SL and that’s not all. They’re famous and they will get you on Youtube and even put you in their magazine. Such a deal………. And that’s not all – just look at who we have on our staff. Enter 6 supermodel names, who you never heard of btw, here.These “models” all won this group’s pay to vote contest titles. Titles like Miss Fashion Universe 2010, Ms Metaverse MaMa Y2K, Miss Beach Bunny USA, Ms. SL HOTTEST Avatar 2002, Miss Classass Glamooour Magazine – Body of the Year 2005 and on and on. Cha chinggggggggggg

    Not a new business model I’m afraid, but one that works well enough to make it worth doing over and over. If it works 8-10 times a month they are doing just fine on this one.

    They’ll probably throw in the Tarot Card Reading for free. I see big things in your future. You will get partnered and have many healthy prim babies and a sockmonkey too.

    I’m gagging myself here

    I gotta go

    I’m still just,

    Nave Fall

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  702. Jersey/Dolce Says:

    March 8, 2010 at 3:29 am

    Well damn, I’ve been doing it backwards! When I hold castings and don’t accept a model, but think they have potential with more training, I invite them into our academy at no expense to them.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see it as really fair that a model shows up to a casting, auditions, is rejected and then invited into the academy if they pay. Thats like saying…yeah, we want you, but we want your money first.

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  703. Vich Says:

    March 8, 2010 at 2:46 am

    Well, Nave, I can answer your question for you. The answer is yes, some people do indeed look at that certification. And for some that certificate is the only thing that matters. Never mind if the model has no styling skills or can’t walk a straight line. They have a certificate, so that means they’re qualified to walk a runway, right? Well, as I learned recently, the same is true in the reverse. Without that certificate, you’re not qualified.

    I recently had another avi of mine attend a casting call. Now, I’ve been trained. I have that certificate that says I know what I’m doing, I’ve done a few shows, and I like to think that by paying attention, listening, and watching others to teach myself what not to do on a runway… somehow in all that I’ve managed to become a reasonably skilled runway model. I wouldn’t call myself a “supermodel,” but I take great care in choosing skins, hair, poses… everything I can do to present a designer’s work in the best possible way. But I digress…

    As I said, I had another avi of mine attend a casting. To me, it was one of my best presentations. Walk was straight, poses didn’t distort body or clothing, hit the spots dead on… it really was one of my better auditions (I’ve done much worse, believe me!). Then I was asked about my training, and I explained that I’d attended a modeling academy and had a good amount of experience as Vich, but that this avi was a newcomer to the fashion world. Well, I didn’t get the job, which is fine. No one gets every show they cast for. What got me was what came after the turn-down… an invitation to attend their modeling academy, for which I’d have to pay several thousand lindens, then after that they’d *love* to have me join their agency. Were they not listening when I said I’d been through modeling school and outlined my experience? Or was it the fact that *that* avi didn’t have a certificate that said they could walk a runway? I’d have been offended if it hadn’t been just so darned funny!

    So yes, some people look at certificates… and the lack thereof. And sometimes… just sometimes… the certificate and the knowledge/skill don’t match up.

    As always, I am…

    just Vich

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  704. navefall Says:

    March 6, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    I was reading through Jersey/Dolce’s comments on Downtown Modeling Agency’s page just now. I thought I should continue my previous semi-journalistic, semi-snarky, review and, further down my post ask a burning question of the day (for me anyway). I feel like we have a CBS’s 60 minutes vs. NBC’s Dateline going on in the DWA page, right here at AgencyReport, so I moved to this the the General Warnings, Scams, Gripes and Rants page.

    Last night, against my wishes, Herradura dragged my butt back to Downtown Modeling Agency’s sim. Literally the message from her was “You NEED to come see the DMA runway right NOWWWWWWWWWW!” You all know Herradura is not an excitable person. When I said I was busy at the moment I got a “Naveeeeeeeeeeee come see this right now…………… NOW!!!!!!!”

    So I went. I rezzed on the runway at DMA and I got to play with DMA’s antique, poseball animation driven, runway just like Jersey/Dolce did. I also took some time and wandered around their mall )or is it maul?). I, particularly, liked the Tainted Love Divorce Office, which offers a useful service pretty cheaply, 30 minutes of pre-divorce counseling. Then they give, the almost free now, couple, one of those, now ubiquitous, certificates saying you attended the counseling session , passed it, and it’s OFFICIALLY okay (with them) to dissolve your defunct partnership before it turns into the SL version of WWIII. A useful service and cheap too – I hoped to see Marilyn Manson but no such luck. I did go and find the YouTube video of Tainted Love and watch it again. Makes me wanna go Goth again except DesPlaines has all my Gothy stuff.

    The bottom-line here is that there is no rule in SL that says you have to stay up-to-date or even close to state–of–the-art on what you teach or use to do your shows. Caveat Emptor is the phrase that comes to mind.

    Enough said about DMA and their pre-historic business model.

    Moveing on I have a different question……….

    I’ve also been mulling over the word CERTIFICATION. I hear this all the time these day We Certify Models who attend/join OUR school/academy/institute/college/conservatory/society/association/seminary/university etc

    I’ve asked questions about this before in private chats. No one who claims to offer a modeling student a CERTIFICATION has chosen to reply other then to say, “I can do what I wish this is SL. :P” Someone else who dug in MUCH harder, on someone who claims to offer the best model training in SL btw, was rewarded with an emote that flipped him off, following a tirade from the person he dug in on with his, seemingly, legitimate but probing questioning of her training organization.

    So I’m asking the question in an open forum. Where better then AgencyReport for this btw? Who certifies the modeling certifiers in SL? What is that certification worth on one’s profile these days? Does anyone een look at it? Did people who attended one of the certifier’s
    schools/academies/institutes/colleges/conservatories/society/associations/seminaries/universities get their $Linden’s worth from their investment of training money???

    I’m dying to hear the answer to these questions………

    DYING (and if some tells me to just STFU and die anonymously I’ll avoid takling the bait and replying btw)

    Let the debate, or the flaming, as the case may be, begin

    Grrrrrrr Did I do it again? The blowhard, long-winded, witty, snarky thing??? Sorry I’m weaning myself off of these slowly. It’s hard…………

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  705. Brie Pinazzo Says:

    February 28, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Rarely do I come in here because it seems to cause more trouble than it is worth but this is a necessary evil that needs to be shared with the community. I, like Kimmera of Tres Beau was in the Wedding Expo for the Models with Curves agency this past month. The most poorly organized event I have had the misfortune to be a part of.
    I gave Jennifer Warden the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, there was a lot of management changes and things fell through the cracks. We are human, make mistakes and I had hoped that she would come back and make up for the short comings. She did not.
    I do not know how long the expo actually lasted because Jennifer never told me when to claim my property so my booth sat for 2 weeks. In that time a grand total of 5 people came near my booth, I checked my visitor counter daily and most days no one came. The people who did were people who worked for the agency itself and not just random visitors to the expo.
    I sent Jennifer a notecard asking her to please refund my money. I am not wealthy and when I invest in a project I expect it to be ran properly. It has not been ran with any sort of intelligence. It is not a wonder her management is dropping off the roster. I have yet to receive a reply or acknowledgment to my card though she has been online plenty since I sent it. It is unprofessional and childish and if this is any preview to how she runs her agency I would suggest shopping elsewhere for model representation.

    I’m Just Fabulous,
    Brie Pinazzo
    Photographer, Elegant Images Photography

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  706. navefall Says:

    February 25, 2010 at 5:51 am

    Thank you, but truthfully the soapbox is a lonely, and frequently disparaged, place to spout off from. It’s cathartic at times to say the things I say. I certainly smirk to myself somketimes when I come up with somwething witty. But I think most of what I say gets glossed over and forgotten immediately. I think humor is an effective training tool but I’m sure many of my jokes, innuendoes and jibes are too insider for many people to get and if I have to explain it’s no longer funny. The occasional IMs I get asking why I’ve been absent tell me that I do get read……………..

    It’s true that I am less vulnerable, and more knowledgeable of some hidden truths, then most SL models are. I am blessed to interact daily with some of SL’s fashion and modeling elite. At the same time I feel as though my energy will be invested better on my responsibilities at Tres Beau and at Model’s Workshop then carrying on so loudly and so often here at AgencyReport. Kimmera Madison pays me very well to think, and act, on her behalf and the Tres Beau marketing plan has a long way to go before it’s fully implemented. The blogger recruitment phase has barely begun for instance. (If you want to blog for Tres Beau, IM me in-world and tell me).

    Earlier today someone said that it’s like spanking puppies for being puppies writing what I write in here. I thought about that remark for quite a while. I get IMs saying how right I am and that models are behind me. That’s usually nice, if they’re not kicking my ass from back there. But there are individuals who have been retaliated against because of me, and my opinions, and there’s not a thing I can do about that. I can’t protect them, or even the score on their behalf (not that I don’t pay attention mind you. So perhaps It’s best that I dial it down in here at AgencyReport and get back to work that pays off.

    Feel free to flame away………

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  707. Kimmera Madison Says:

    February 16, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Hi There

    I am not usually one to post on Forums, But I have to post about this. I recently was invited to be a part of the Models With Curves/MWC Wedding expo. I was approached in a very professional manner by Fuzz Lennie, she set me up with my booth and my sponsorship…shortly after, Fuzz left the group, from what I understand due to professional differences, Fuzz did not go into detail, I didn’t ask. From what I have heard, I didn’t need to ask

    Next I was approached by Jennifer Warden, CEO of Models with Curves. She had no idea what booth I had arranged for, which wasn’t a problem, she offered me a booth next to the runway. I had paid to be one of the major sponsors, there were a limited number of paid sponsors at the level that I paid for.Jennifer knew nothing of what had been been agreed upon with me..as CEO, I found that odd.

    Jennifer and I then discussed the Fashion Show, they didn’t have many wedding gown vendors so she offered me an exclusive show, I told her I could supply them with 16 gowns. She was thrilled and said she’d be in contact….I waited

    This conversation was held on January 31st, today is the 16th of February. I had not heard a word about the show,I IM’d Jennifer last night and recieved no response..no biggie, it’s SL, she may not have gotten the IM. Today I contacted AriadnaDragon Writer, she proceeded to tell me that since I had not responded to the Notecard sent I wasn’t in the show…I did a search, thinking perhaps I missed the Notecard..I found only the initial application. Nothing referring to the show. I found this interesting, one of the biggest sponsors, one of the only dress designers, definately the most extablished..not to say the others don’t do wonderful work…No Notecard, no IM’s. What I did recieve was a whole lot of attitude and rudeness.

    I then contacted Jennifer again, this time she responded…she has refunded me for the record, I have removed my things from this expo.

    During my wait for info, I started recieveing Notecards and IM’s from other vendors…no advertising was done for this event, others had tried to contact the owner, the staff, no responses were made. One was ejected after asking what was being done to advertise, after never getting one response from the owner or any of the staff…Oddity again

    My closing comment here is this..I don’t speak out alot, but feel the need to do so. There are many in here that seem to think that taking others money, whether it be Lindens or RL money is ok to do and then do not follow through on what was promised. Be wary of what you pay for, get in writing what they promise, hold them to it.

    As for Models With Curves/MWC, Jennifer Warden and AriadnaDragon Writer. I keep a list of who I will not work with again, they have been added, and if someone asks my oppinion, I give it. I do not slander, but will give my oppinion if asked.

    As to those that see this is as slander, I have the transcripts and the agreements made. I felt the need to bring it to the attention of those looking for information, and this seemed to be a good place to do it.

    For those of you that do a professional job and keep your promises, give it your best…

    I applaud you

    Sincerely,
    Kimmera Madison, Designer of Tres Beau Designs

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  708. Mich Says:

    February 11, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    *hugs Nave*

    GL on your bid!!! (secretly hopes you get sniped because she like you on the soapbox) 😛

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  709. navefall Says:

    February 10, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Anon et al:

    Thanks for the cards, letter, and solid advice.

    I decided to follow yours and work on getting a RL.

    As you know I work at Tres Beau as the COO. I’m responsible for many aspects of the business while Kimmera Madison tends to the creative side of things. In other words, she makes the stuff and I endeavor to sell it. We are conducting 4 shows this weekend which I have plaster notices on all over the place so there’s no need to repeat them here. $ fashion shows is a MASSIVE amount of work. Kay Fairey is laughing at us, Several agency owners are laughing at us and Katherine is on the floor cracking up watching me. About now, while I love my SLife, I’d trade it for a real life with normal sleep and no IMs.

    Sooooooo anon, you’ll be pleased to know that I am currently the high bidder on a RL on eBay. God willing I won’t get sniped at the last millisecond and it will be delivered FedEx soon after.

    For what it’s worth I have a ball in SL. AgencyReport is also a playground for me. I can be more direct in here then I can in SL. I’ve created some controversy lately. IMHO it needed to be created and I’d do it again without hesitation. Some people have an ELITIST attitude and it’s showing through in local chat in places like the StarWalkers 2010 and Models Looking For Work, wayyyyy too often. Luckily for me I don’t depend on the good will of that nepotistic group of agency owners for my own SL. The IMS I received in support of what I did ran 5 to 1 in favor, which is a pretty solid endorsement to me.

    I know how tough it is to be a curious young model who is trying to squirm in and give modeling a try. I am frequently asked questions and I try to be direct and neutral in my answers. I have some strong opinions based on personal experiences that I try to temper the urge to relate.

    Anyway if I score on the RL on eBay I’ll take a break from my soapbox.

    Fire at will…………….

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  710. Anon Says:

    February 3, 2010 at 5:36 am

    I’m serious Nave. Blah, blah, blah…enough already! Why don’t you start a blog? Then your fans can read your every last word.
    Yours ANON!
    PS
    You need to get a RL.

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  711. Kimmera Madison Says:

    February 2, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    steps in, smacks Nave upside the head, hands Anon a vowel…

    my work is done

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  712. Talyia Tarber Says:

    February 2, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Just like I make you grit your teeth with my photos, you make me grit my teeth with your wonderful words of wisdom and brutally honest remarks. Don’t ever change being the you that you are. *hugs*

    On a side note, posting as anonymous lends no credibility.

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  713. Nave Fall Says:

    February 2, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    God that felt good

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  714. Nave Fall Says:

    February 2, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Anon………….anon anonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

    I happy I could make you happy

    buttttttttttt

    You make so many assumptions…. You really need to buy a vowel or turn the page over so you can get a clue.

    I WASN’T REINED IN BY AGENCYREPORT ZEPP (and if I’m lying I’m sure a comment will appear here saying I’m a lying dog).

    On the contrary, I’ve asked, on more then one occasion whether I should dial it back. I was never told to stop, slow down or moderate my comments on AgencyReport in any way. Except one. I agreed to not comment about or torture an agency that I, once upon a time was the Co-CEO of. Ohhhh yeah I owned an agency once upon a time…………did you know that? History has been revised relentlessly but those who know, know what the truth is. I know some of you don’t get my jokes or allusions. I really have dialed it down as low as I can. I swear………………

    What I’m saying here is this. I KNOW how agencies work, I KNOW what they cost to run, I KNOW how models SHOULD be recruited, trained and communicated with. I KNOW how fashion shows and faires are produced from the inside out. I KNOW who many of the DIVAS, scammers and wannabes are. I also know who some of the people who can be trusted are. I don’t know it all but I know enough to be dangerous and better yet, if I don’t know I know who will know and I ask them,

    I’ll name a few of MY favorite people, the ones who come through day in day out when the chips are down: Monica Balut, Herradura Baar, Aspen Parx and his partner Holle Zhora, Haidyn Inglewood, the future Miss Moolto, Super photographer Julie Hastings – 1 in a 1,000,000, Honeybear Lilliehook and Darkstar Gothly of Glance, Ricoracer Flux and Mikey Batriani whose blog :Confessions of an SL Top Model, blows me away, Seren Dawes, funniest DJ I ever met in my SLIfe, Wicca Merlin, Sabine Blackburn, StarliteStarBrite Constellation – the best model prospect I ever saw in a TnT training class bar none, Talyia Tarber- the photographer whose work makes me grit my teeth frequently it’s so good, Kay Fairey – the one I worry most about embarrassing, Locked Semaphore – the model I might be as good as if I practiced as hard as he does, Synthia Quintessa, – videographer par excellence, Lorelei Maggs, Astrokris Messner of IC Motions, Sazzy Oh – the best unknown model I know bar none, Vel Charisma of Farouche Tres, Glitter Bolissima – who trained me, Topaz Joubert and Sami Kutanga of Maniera, Burly Tigerpaw – who, simply cracks me up every time we chat, there are losts more more but this gives you an idea of who comes through for me when the chips are down……………..

    I saved the 2 best for last, Katherine Comet, my SL partner and best friend, and her buddy, and ping pong opponent, Kimmera Madison, my boss @ Tres Beau, who makes my SL affordable these days. I really don’t mind them batting me around………….

    My point is that just because YOU don’t get my sick sense of humor, my insider jokes, and my scoop stories that I post here doesn’t mean a thing. Lots of people do appreciate what I write.

    If YOU are so distressed by what I slip in here stop reading it, ignore me. Frankly I don’t understand why you persist in your anonymity. You afraid I’d stalk you?????

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  715. Anon Says:

    February 2, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Nave, I’m so happy to see that you are pulling back on your postings. I commented in the past that you needed to get your own blog…and now it looks like Agency Report has finally reined you in…THANK GOODNESS, because you were turning this site into a DRAG!

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  716. Nave Fall Says:

    January 31, 2010 at 8:34 am

    I’m afraid I’ve let some of my shtick get out of hand on AgencyReport. I apologize. If you don’t get it I added the definition of shtick below.

    I shouldn’t use agencyreport like this btw. It was intended for serious purposes and I’ve misused it.

    I’m sorry if I’ve offended anyone with my attempts at humor.

    Nave

    A shtick (Yiddish: שטיק) (or schtick) is a comic theme or gimmick. “Shtick” is derived from the Yiddish word shtik (שטיק), meaning “piece”; the closely-related German word Stück has the same meaning. The English word “piece” itself is also sometimes used in a similar context. Another variant is “bits of business” or just “bits”; comic mannerisms such as Laurel and Hardy’s fiddling with their ties, or one of them looking into the camera shaking his head while the other one would ramble on. A shtick can also refer to an adopted persona, usually for comedy performances, that is maintained consistently (though not necessarily exclusively) across the performer’s career. In this usage, the recurring personalities adopted by Laurel and Hardy through all of their many comedy films (despite the fact that they often played characters with different names and professions) would qualify as their shtick. A comedian might maintain several different shticks of this sort, particularly if they appear in a variety show that encourages them to develop multiple characters, such as Saturday Night Live.

    In common usage, the word shtick has also come to mean any talent, style, habit, or other eccentricity for which a person is particularly well-known, even if not intended for comedic purposes. For example, a person who is known locally for his or her ability to eat dozens of hot dogs quickly might say that it was their shtick.

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  717. LMAO Says:

    January 16, 2010 at 3:09 am

    No Nave,

    I don’t make kids cry. Kids are wonderful. I love kids and they love me. It’s funny how you and Doc try and make me out to be some bad person, when nothing I have said points in that direction at all. And using kids, come on now. That’s pretty low. But, considering the source, I suppose you couldn’t help yourself. I suggest you go back to giving out details on how to run a fashion show. Least you know what your talking about there. Oh jeez, I spit out another compliment. (wonders what dq is going to come back clawing)

    I’m just,

    LMAO

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  718. Nave Fall Says:

    January 15, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    LMAO

    Relax……….

    I can take all you dish out. It’s not very original or even witty to tell the truth. Then I just chuckle to myself.The thing of it is this, at this point I consider the source and wonder if you like making the kid’s at the little league cry?

    You can’t make me cry………… You ahve made me smile a couple of times, or did I smirk?

    I’m just

    Nave Fall

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  719. LMAO Says:

    January 15, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    You got one thing right. My avatar is Yummy. And as far as muting me on here, im thrilled. I knew you couldnt take the critisism, but you can sure dish out your own BS. Mute away. LMAO.

    I’m just,

    LMAO

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  720. Doc Holiday Says:

    January 15, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Did you mean you’re oblivious LMAO???

    That’s obvious to all of us.

    I’ve advised Nave in-world to mute you on here and we’ll all be much happier. This started out amusing and now it’s a weak parody. Why watch the 3 Stooges when you can watch John Stewart and Colbert?

    I did find his comment about you yelling at kids hilarious though.

    I wish I was as cool as LMAO I bet your avatar is yummy.

    Muaahhhhhhhhhhh

    Doc

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  721. LMAO Says:

    January 15, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Yup, that’s what you day everyday! It’s obvious.

    I’m just,
    LMAO

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  722. Nave Fall Says:

    January 15, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Wah wahhhhhhhhh wah the F**k wahhhhh

    I’m just

    Nave Fall

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  723. LMAO Says:

    January 14, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    OMG another wannabee. It never ends. And I’m not homophobic at all. I wouldn’t of suggested coming out of the closet if that was the case. I love all people. Even wannabees. I just say it as it is and it brings you all out of the woodwork. LMAO.

    And really now, sitting at home in my jammies, that just shows your extrememly low IQ level. Go back into the woodwork SL Entrepeneur, some wannabees dont belong here.

    I’m just,

    LMAO

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  724. SL Entrepeneur Says:

    January 14, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    LMAO.

    Some of thses people you are disparaging make more REAL MONEY in SL then you do in your REAL LIFE, sitting at home in their jammies I bet.

    The level you’ve sunk to here was predictable also. Your homophobia is an anachronism in SL for most of us. Doc Holiday loved Wyatt Earp y’know. Wyatt was a lucky man to have a friend like Doc Holiday around to gun Johnny Ringo down.

    My thinking is that when you go to your kid’s little league games you yell at the other team’s young players when they do something brilliant. You should stick to the kids, Nave is too tough for you dude and Rhonda is too sweet.

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  725. LMAO Says:

    January 14, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    stfu Doc

    Insider. LMAO. You people are all a bunch of dumb*** wannabees who can’t make it in RL so you go on to SL and think your something. LMAO. You are a drama Queen as well as Nave and whats her name?? Yes, Queens. I said Queens. Comming out of the closet will set you free!

    I’m just,

    LMAO

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  726. Doc Holiday Says:

    January 14, 2010 at 10:46 am

    LMAO

    I’m your huckleberry……..

    and

    I have not yet begun to defile myself.

    When Nave said he’d dumbed it down as much as could, he didn’t realize that wouldn’t be far enough to include dim 6 watt souls like you, who wouldn’t get it no matter how

    s l o w l y

    he said it.

    If I were Nave I’d stick to packaging his messages with humor. Rhonda gets it and she is no drama queen. What he wrote conveys a lot of insider information which is useful to her and other people who are involved in, and curious about, the sorts of events you are so entertained by. But you, LMAO, are not an insider and the information is not meant for your edification. He should have said that like Mythbusters, “we’re professionals. don’t try this at home/” So LMAO can you you say “ed if i ca shun”?

    ed⋅i⋅fi⋅ca⋅tion   /ˌɛdəfɪˈkeɪʃən/ –noun
    1. an act of edifying.
    2. the state of being edified; uplift.
    3. moral improvement or guidance.

    (the third definition is the one I meant for you)

    Consider yourself edified my son.

    Your mileage may vary

    Doc

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  727. Nave Fall Says:

    January 13, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    LMAO…………

    You have me confused with my alt, DesPlaines Waverider. He’d be the bad seed……… He’s the one who cut the funds off to Catalyst of Fantasy. Y’know he was the stupid one with too much cash. I am the one who actually earns $Lindens with my mind in SL. Lacie Beningborough explains if far better then I do btw and in the dystopian continuum of SL news flashes that news would be the SL equivalent of Y2K.

    If you wanna stir the C of F pot back up I’d bring a bigger spoon, the whole fugly mess has long since congealed into a coprolite.

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  728. LMAO Says:

    January 13, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Actually, that was a compliment. Tisk tisk that yet another Drama Queen took that wrong and had to start crap.

    When I want to create it I will. I don’t need any help from the peanut gallery. And if that little skit was lame.. even for you Nave.

    I read where you burned the owner of CoF today. Haven’t commented on that. But after this here, you can bet I will. And wheather you give a crap or not, makes no difference to me.

    Im just,
    LMAO

    at all you.

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  729. Nave Fall Says:

    January 13, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I’ll have Kimmera comment on what I said about being hurt herself. We actually felt like we saved a large chunk of money on that event when it is said and done………..

    As long as we’re doing Tombstone quotes I’ll post one of my favorites that fits my mood. Truth to tell I’d prefer to be Wyatt to Doc Holiday myself although I thought Val Kilmer’s Doc Holiday was his best performance of all time………

    Nave Fall: All right, LMAO… you called down the thunder, well now you’ve got it! You see that?
    [pulls open his coat, revealing a badge]

    Nave Fall: It says United States Marshal!

    LMAO: [terrified, pleading] Naveeeeeeeeee, please, I…

    Nave Fall: [referring to Stilwell, laying dead] Take a good look at him, LMAO… ’cause that’s how you’re gonna end up!

    [shoves LMAO down roughly with his boot]

    Nave Fall: The Cowboys are finished, you understand? I see a red sash, I kill the man wearin’ it!

    [lets LMAO up to run for his life]

    Nave Fall: So run, you cur… RUN! Tell all the other curs the law’s comin’!

    [shouts]

    Nave Fall: You tell ’em I’M coming… and hell’s coming with me, you hear?…

    [louder]

    Nave Fall: Hell’s coming with me!

    So there LMAO, you’ve been spanked by the mild-mannered Rhonda Pennell. You probably like it too……………

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  730. Rhonda Pennell Says:

    January 13, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    To LMAO and Doc Holiday: shame on you…Nave goes out of his way to explain things and you have nothing better to do than to belittle him. I do not understand your hostility…

    To Nave: wow! Thank you for the detailed and very insightful post, it certainly has made me think.
    Actually, you very nearly convinced me to start being more demanding about compensation for my modeling work – that is, until your very last sentence “I don’t think anyone who was involved in producing this show was hurting except Kimmera Madison herself”…I do not want anyone to hurt just to pay me! *giggles

    Light-hearted joking aside, we models were very generously compensated for the recent Tres Beau show, and I would like to thank you and Kimmera again for that very much:)

    Love, Rhonda

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  731. Doc Holiday Says:

    January 13, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    ~ I don’t know, there’s just something about him. Something around the eyes. Reminds me of… Me. Nope, now I’m sure of it. I hate him.~

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  732. LMAO Says:

    January 13, 2010 at 11:56 am

    And there you have it folks, everything you need to know about running a Fashion Show,curtousy of the now infamous Nave Fall.

    I’m just,
    LMAO

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  733. Nave Fall Says:

    January 13, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Okay then buckle up…………

    Before I start on my explanation I will respond to Rhonda’s comment :

    “I tend to think that a free outfit for me from a designer equals a sale that he or she did not make, perhaps my thinking is flawed? What do you think?

    I disagree I’m afraid. The model “might” have bought that particular outfit. Maybe, maybe not. The outfit given to the model is a marketing cost for the designer. Nothing more. You can compute the value of the outfits walked if you want. but I bet a lot of them are never touched again after that show by the model’s who got them. That is just a guess on my part, lord knows I have tons of outfits I wear once and never touch again.

    Anyway……………

    I have been through this accounting lens description in some detail before.

    In one post on the Fashion Critique SL thread @ AgenncyReport I said :

    There is an astounding amount of time, endless juggling and serious, hard work that goes on behind the scenes to produce those shows and a fair amount of REAL money gets spent too. I’d say that if the average SL fashion show cost was computed FAIRLY it would come out to between L$1800- L$2000 for each outfit walked for YOUR viewing pleasure. Maybe more then that………

    So let’s see now………… For a show where 30 outfits are shown that could be L$54,000 – L$60,000 in real costs to produce the show not including the value of the outfits themselves. Let’s say that the outfits averages L$800. Multiply that times 30 = L$24000 invested by the designer for the outfits given to the models alone. Marketing costs nothing more . Sorry…….An argument could be made that those outfits really cost nothing. But it might take that designer 1-2 hours to collect and distribute these outfits to the models who walk them and show staff who wear them at that event. That time is not taken into the cost equation now is it????? Show staff gets to have clothes too you say? WTF!!!! At Tres Beau we’ve decided that the show staff shares in the goodies and they get 2-3 outfits themselves to wear at the show. Why would they be excluded? But that is just how Tres Beau does it……….. I can’t speak for other designers.

    I also said :

    Designing things the way a Nicky Ree does, or an Amutey Decuir of Bliss Couture, or Potnia Theas of Ora Trei, or my boss Kimmera Madison of Tres Beau does takes a lot of work Creating sculpties, textures, matching the seams up, the technical aspects are an amazing thing that I get to observe sometimes. Bottom-line – a lot of work is being done to, ultimately, entertain you. The software alone including SOTA software design tools like 3D Max and Maya cost $1000s and $1000s btw. Not chump change for that investment……………

    Then you have the people who create and direct the show, build the sim/runway, create the invitations, write the show’s scripts select the models, get the outfits distributed, choreograph the walks and write the walk orders, run the rehearsals, do the promotion, set up the stream, video and photograph the event. And Emcee the event. Lots more work All for your entertainment………….

    Let’s not forget the models. They invest tons of money in training, skins, hair, poses, accessories, software tools, photography,………… Again so they can entertain you.

    Then there are others, bloggers and media people who report on all this, So if you missed it you can at least have an inkling of what took place and maybe go buy an L$800 outfit from the designer if she, or he, is lucky.

    In a previous post in this thread I also said:

    I’m very curious about an on-going debate these days over PAID vs. UNPAID fashion shows. I’m curious about how much a “name” agency gets paid and who on their staff gets paid out of that? (Who is a name agency you ask? Certainly these: Boulevard, Glance, AVENUE, SuperElite, SW/MB Productions, Modavia, Maniera and a few others are “name” agencies. How much are they paid for a show? Why is one of their models worth L$1000 for walking in a show and another, equally talented, model is expected to work for the clothes they are walking? Why a director (not necessarily the agency’s owner btw) is paid but models, and staff are volunteers and the why the show’s script writer who scripts the “one time use only Emcee’s script” which takes hours and hours to write is paid little or nothing? Photographers? Are they paid per shot or per show? They aren’t photo-shopping event shots meant for Flickr are they? If they aren’t uploading the pics at L$10 a shot they can blaze away furiously.

    My question is this, given the substantial costs/expenses incurred when running an SL modeling agency/school (Don’t get me started on what some schools charge these days) for such things as:

    Tiers

    Sets and decorations

    Staff: Models, Show script writers, builders, photographers videographers, choreographers, stylists, runway managers, script creator/writers, animators, MC, DJ, backstage crew, PR/Marketing, staff assistants/best boys, etc (If I left something out it wasn’t to slight anyone believe me please).

    Miscellaneous other expenses: Poses, animations, accessories, it goes on and on endlessly…………

    The $Linden outgo is substantial. You get the idea, I don’t have to detail every line item for any of you.

    So my question is this, what is a reasonable amount to charge for a show? Furthermore why should a designer pay ANYTHING for a show when many agencies are willing, clamoring even, to do shows for free, going so far as, after one agency announces a “designer’s” show to contact the show’s client/designer and undercut the original agency’s offer? Who’d do that you ask????? Get real……. Some people read other agency’s blogs obsessively looking for names to “market” to and have no compunctions/ethics about taking a shot at that designer. Just bidness doncha know?

    I have personally seen a $L70,000 quote for a show from a “major” agency for a show with a custom runway build included in it.

    At the Tres Beau Grand Re-Opening event last December over L$40,000 was invested and we didn’t pay Opium 1 Linden for the event (it was on the Tres Beau sim and they built nothing for us btw nor did they promote the show, We did it all ourselves)

    But the Opium agency’s models who did the actual work in this show were all well paid by Tres Beau’s Kimmera Madison and AlexWyler of Tukinowaguma and also, got all kinds of good things for doing the show. Hair from Tukinowaguma of their own choice (L$1500-L$2000 value), Stiletto Moody shoes (one told me that her shoes for this show were worth L$5000+), jewelry from Kayleigh McMillan of *ByKay* and I forget what else they were given. Suffice it to say that they were well paid for doing this show as was the show staff itself. I don’t think anyone who was involved in producing this show was hurting except Kimmera Madison herself.

    I could continue here but you get a true Idea of the costs involved I hope.

    If you disagree with my thinking please feel free to pick it apart………… We can have a debate on this one.

    Hey I don’t won an agency, I don’t produce or direct shows, I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  734. Rhonda Pennell Says:

    January 13, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Grace makes some very good points, as does “Fashion model” in her post from 6 January…I certainly never meant to suggest that models should not have to be paid, merely that in my personal opinion the outfits and accessories we receive are a nice trade-off for a full payment without keeping the clothing. However it is true that models have to invest a lot in inventory, academy courses, portfolio photos, and so on.
    Perhaps I need a better idea of what a designer actually pays an agency to do a fashion show, and how that money is distributed? Should I demand better compensation? I tend to think that a free outfit for me from a designer equals a sale that he or she did not make, perhaps my thinking is flawed? What do you think?

    Love, Rhonda

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  735. Grace Winnfield Says:

    January 12, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Reading the paid/v/unpaid model in fashion show debate is a mind boggling thing to me. What the heck are we designers paying HUGE $$ for to do a fashion show thru one of the major players if the models do not get linden??!! I’m terribly confused. Lets see.. in RL models are actually paid considerably more for shows than for print! Of course they do not keep the clothing. I find it a tradeoff in which (in my case) we do a few run thru shows and a few long fittings prior to the actual show they are paid for time and then clothes are a bonus. Heck who says that a model will even like the clothing they are given … why do the show if you dont!? I like some strong motivation to be loyal and SHOW UP.. so i’m not scrambling for models last minute.. My models have always been paid very well for shows… and they keep the clothing. Depending on the number of shows pay can range from a thousand linden to a couple thousand and up. Most of which is in tips when we are done… but all of it goes to my models…. so glad i have not used a outside source for shows … though it may soon come to that… I’m a little bit annoyed to know though that the models may not be getting paid what i would like even with the high price.
    xo Rant over.
    Grace

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  736. Fashion Model Says:

    January 6, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Models who insist on not getting paid so that they will get more runway work or print jobs actually degrade the modeling profession in SL. The fashion industry in SL is a business. We models are employees of the agencies and unless the agency is not paid for doing a show, why shouldn’t we get paid for all our hard work and dedication. Modeling is a job just like any other jobs in rl or sl. We put in a lot of time, hardwork and effort as well as our reputation everytime we take on a job. We spend an exuberant amount of money to make our avatar look good by constantly updating our skins as well as hair and accessories. We get reprimanded, yelled at, fired/replaced, and degraded if we do something wrong such as being late for rehearsals just like any other jobs. Why should’t models get paid for their work? I’m sorry but the clothing we model is simply not enough especially since the agencies get a lot of money from the designers. Models also have tiers and bills to pay.

    I have noticed that agencies do not pay the less well known models at all but they pay the “supermodels” very well.

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  737. Anonymous Says:

    January 6, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Good point.

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  738. Sharron Schuman Says:

    January 5, 2010 at 1:04 am

    My two pence is that in any discussion of SL Modeling Schools if MODA is not included, the posting person doesn’t’ have a full perspective of the schools available in SL. MODA takes over 3 months to complete and is the most comprehensive school in SL. Ask the new Miss VW. As an example you have to walk and turn for two 2 hour sessions before you are ever on a runway. (for some of you that may be kinky it is much like pony training) LOL. You are required to do this with NO AO, NO attached walk. You must do it manually. Walk turn and pose in one motion all with no assist. This was very archaic to me when first presented. I wrote a long polemic degrading the Luddite nature of this requirement that I never sent to JuJu, because at heart I understood that you need to know the root/basics to be truly creative and versatile.
    In all avenues of art it is a long proven path that you must know the rules and established conventions in order to break them creatively. For the time of training provided MODA is a steal.

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  739. Impartial Lister Says:

    December 31, 2009 at 10:39 am

    I meant:
    1) The Pay vs. Non-pay show debate is in full swing

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  740. Impartial Lister Says:

    December 31, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Yes. The FIA was a noble experiment endorsed by “THE ESTABLISHMENT” of THAT time. Many of whom had personal reasons to participate. They had turf to protect. Several of them still do. Let’s look at an economic reality in the SL fashion world: it’s not easy to make $Lindens.

    1) The vs. Non-pay show debate is in full swing

    2) Magazine publishing is REALLY hard work

    3) Pay to vote contests are now recognized as scams by anyone who doesn’t have to think to breathe

    4) Anyone who charges to join their group and “become” a supermodel is immeditely shunned for the scammers they are.

    5) Schools CAN make some ‘relatively’ easy money for an agency

    So schools are where agency owners eventually wind up when they get tired of digging into their wallets to pay relentless tiers and expenses. The catch is that most schools teach the same basic things in about 4-6 classes for anywhere from L$2500 – L$10000

    Who has taken “all” the various school’s classes and is capable of “impartially” ranking them?

    Good luck finding that person.

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  741. Remembrance Day... Says:

    December 31, 2009 at 5:27 am

    The problem with an “impartial” list is apparent on this kind of page, who carries out the evaluation? So, Houston, we got a problem, cause lists or any posting here can never be “impartial” that way.

    An attempt to work “impartially” were made maybe one year, or more, ago when an organization named “Fashion Industry Association”,(F.I.A)was founded by Yasmine Kidd from SuperElite. She gathered the oldest and most established agencies with the purpose of fighting scam inside the model education in SL. This is how it is described in the groupcharter:

    “The purpose of F.I.A.. is simple: To protect models from SL scams by certifying agencies, schools and production facilities. F.I.A. is supported by many top names in SL modeling: Fia Bonetto (LOOK ELITE), Giela Delpaso (BOULEVARD), Kirk Claymore (KMADD), Maggie Mahoney & Ocean Bates (RUNWAY), Ohren Beck (InStyle), Patty Cortes (GIA), Poptart Lilliehook (Modavia), Rusch Raymaker (AVENUE), Tiffany Dragonash (EWING) and Yasmine Kidd (SUPERELITE)”

    Yes, this was a timestamp over how the map looked back then, changes have been seen there in many cases regarding both members and agencies and it is how it works in SL, but there you got them folks and of course today we see some newer agencies that have a good ambition to become as successful as the ones mentioned and within the F.I.A organization. All we can say is good luck!

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  742. Impartial Lister Says:

    December 30, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Anyone of those listed beleow will get someone started nicely. The fees are variable from school to school

    Glance – Wicca Merlin
    Maniera – Sami Kutanga
    Avenue – Kryptonia Paperdoll
    TnT – Tia Ryba
    SuperElite – Lorelei Maggs / Mimmi Boa
    Catalyst of Fantasy – Glitter Bollisima
    LA – Tawny Dinzeo
    Serenity – Lifing Krasner

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  743. ♥ Lola Baudin ♥ Says:

    December 30, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Since AR is becoming highly popular and is a source for models, both aspiring and professional; I would like to suggest that maybe there should be a page dedicated all the reputable and good modeling academies out there.

    Most schools to offer a great training and the education to become a professional model, so it’s matter of personal preference, times available, ect ect… this is not to say any one school is better than another.

    What concerns me is these new schools out there that are cropping up and I look at the roster of instructors and I don’t see anyone who is in the fashion industry. I do think that if you plan to set up a school, you should either have a)experience as a professional model
    b)training from a modeling academy
    c)experience as a model instructor

    Modeling academies is not only about training but also about networking. How can you network if you are taught by someone who is not even in the industry? What sort of reference can you have from an instructor that no one knows about?

    I think an impartial list of established schools on a single page would be a great starting point for models who are just starting out.

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  744. Kay Fairey Says:

    December 30, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Oh btw…..I saw somewhere that somebody said blackliquid is my alt. lol

    Oh dear….blackliquid, we’ll have to sing together maybe. Let’s do a joint concert and ppl can come to hear us sing (but prepared to get bored/sick/ear aches). 😛

    omg the things some ppl say as if they knew everything here…..*shakes head*

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  745. Kay Fairey Says:

    December 30, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Yes Rhonda, let me just elaborate as I wasn’t clear on some points I must admit. It’s not that I want to be paid, or need that money. It also does not mean I don’t see any value in what we get for the shows (outfits, jewelry etc).

    I’m talking more about a healthy economy for the fashion industry in SL which is a huge part of the SL economy.

    So don’t get me wrong. And agency owners also need to pay tier to maintain the agency and it’s not right if many of them have to pay out of their pockets and use RL money to fund the existence of the agencies. It will be tough to keep doing this for a long period of time and it’s important, for the stability of the agencies too, if they can fund the agencies out of proceeds they earn in SL. Now, it’s up to the agency owners, how much she/he can pay to her/his models. And I am aware that most models will be happy to work for free.

    But again, this is all about a healthy economy and not about whether we personally want the money or not.

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  746. blackLiquid Says:

    December 30, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Paid shows are a must if we want this industry to survive and continue to be taken seriously.
    I am glad this converation is posted here. For those of you who are worried about quantity of shows perhaps you should shift your focus to the quality and concentrate on fewer more high quality shows I don’t think that sheer volume of potentially free shows means much. I as a guest I would prefer to attend more quality interesting shows. And less of the standard “home runway” shows, that are cheaply produced and poorly executed.

    just my opinion xx
    blackLiquid Tokyoska
    KABUKI
    CREATOR

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  747. Rhonda Pennell Says:

    December 30, 2009 at 11:02 am

    wow…I have been reading some of the more recent comments regarding the debate about paid vs. unpaid fashion shows. I cannot contribute much to this as I am not an agency owner, CEO, or otherwise heavily involved with managing an agency – at the end of the day, although I have branched out into script writing, directing, hosting, and training model students, I am still primarily a model myself.
    As such, I have often wondered why some (not all) models place such importance on being paid in Lindens for every show they do? I get paid sometimes as well, but I have always regarded that as a bonus and an extra token of appreciation for my work for which I am thankful…but I also always “walk away” from a show with several new outfits, sometimes new jewelry sets, shoes, and hairs, which can on occasion add up to a value of several thousand Lindens. I have always felt that this is a very fair compensation for the time and effort I put into preparing for shows and modeling in them, particularly since I have an idea of the incredible creative output and tedious work it takes designers to make these outfits.
    The point I actually want to make is that (hopefully) a lot of models feel the same way that I do, and so an agency should not have to pay its models at an expense so great that it ends up struggling to go on. I am not saying that every model should work for no payment at all:) but in the spirit of teamwork and being in it together, I would personally prefer that my agency uses its profits to compensate its other employees fairly (the photographer, script writer, builder, and such) and otherwise reinvest them into future shows that maintain a high quality of presentation. The designers already “pay” the models by outfitting them…it is only fair that we, in turn, give our best both to them and to the agencies:)

    Love,
    Rhonda Pennell

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  748. Kay Fairey Says:

    November 21, 2009 at 8:36 am

    Ah yes Lola, I missed out one important part of what I believe in. Yes, new agencies need to prove that they can, indeed, put up great shows. So I agree, they won’t be able to charge designers without any track record.

    It’s the same with new magazines and often events in RL. The first one is free and that becomes a sample that they can use to solicit payments for future issues or shows.

    So the very first one, I agree, will have to be done for free. I was talking more about doing free shows all the time, or most of the time. This creates a similar situation as a price destruction in RL economy and in the long run, will not benefit the industry.

    That was one point I should have clarified.

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  749. ♥ Lola Baudin ♥ Says:

    November 21, 2009 at 12:58 am

    I am not an agency owner but I do run an agency. From a new agency perspective, it is easy for an established agency to say that they will only do paid shows because well, they are established. Also most established agencies have other sources of income including either a modeling academy, a business district, and a magazine & blog advertisement to fall back on… Some include all three. However, for a new agency to start, there is a need to prove to the designers that they are able to pull off a fashion show. When there is a practice of free fashion shows and you expect payment from a designer, you can be assured that the agency will never have a chance to get its feet off of the ground. You will most likely be laughed at or ignored.

    And while established agencies might look at the new agencies and feel that they might perhaps be a threat or a competition, I think that it is essential that a new face and a new agency have a chance because innovation and change is needed to keep the industry from stagnating. That is true in life, fashion, art, & business. No one likes doing a free show. Ideally, yes we would be paid for every fashion show we do because it does take enormous time and energy to put one together. However that is the nature of the beast when free fashion shows exist. Perhaps looking at it from a designer perspective, they put enormous amount of energy and time into their creation and we get to have them for exchange for ours. Perhaps that is a step for a collaboration for future shows that mutually benefit both, because really it’s about creativity, inspiration, and building a relationship.

    In my opinion, only the agency knows the overhead cost of keeping the agency running and the benefit of keeping that same agency running. As long as they don’t scam innocent people, and do provide a value; I really don’t think it’s my business. The cost of running an agency, again, depends on the agency. We create each fashion show from scratch. It takes me minimum of 10 hours to build each set. I use high quality textures which sets me back couple hundred to thousand lindens.. this does not include props. Ethan does Machinima which takes considerable amount of time to shoot, edit and even upload. Let’s not forget the DJ/Host and of course the script writer. We pay our models because as a working professional model, I know they can’t really recoup the cost they put in for their time and money, but we can at least compensate them partially. That is my own personal belief and I don’t expect any other agency to follow. We pay all of our models the same.

    I have the fortune of being in agencies that do pay the models and agencies that don’t. I think it’s a models personal decision and again he/she has the free will to be in that agency at the end of the day.

    As a model instructor for an established agency, I have to say that I give a lot of myself for that job, and all the instructors do. We have minimum of 3 weeks of classes {not including show practices and graduation show including yes all the things that you have to prepare for}, 3 days a week for an hour and a half. That doesn’t include the personal one on one with the CEO who puts her heart and soul into all the students. That is a lot of dedication for anyone, especially in SL. So again, only the modeling academies can say how much their time and money is worth.

    As for competition. If three different agencies used the same designer, you would still get 3 different & unique shows. And since when does an agency have the carte blanche on any designer? I do not agree with the undercutting and sabotaging another agency, but that just comes down to professionalism and ethics. However, think of this… the designer knows that perhaps you are not the most scrupulous person to deal with if you were willing to go that low, so really.. who loses out at the end?

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  750. Kay Fairey Says:

    November 20, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Nave, let me make a very simple comment since you mentioned my name.

    Yes you are right. When I do shows (which does not mean appearing in shows as a model, but rather produce/direct shows), I never do shows for free. The only times I’ve done that is for two BOSL shows which required many designers to join with 1-2 outfits each. These were done more as a promotional tool for the Agency and we couldn’t charge designers for such a small amount of outfits that we showed. BUT models were still paid.

    I do not like nor do I believe in shows that are done for free simply because I think these “free” shows will eventually ruin or destroy the fashion industry. And to explain to the models that they will not get paid because a show is a free show means that the lack of negotiation skills by whoever produced it has been taken out on the models which, in my opinion, is wrong.

    Then should a show producer pay out her/his pocket when this happens? No. That is wrong too.

    So I charge my clients for all the shows I produce/direct and if designers walk away from me because of the price they have to pay, so be it. I still do not want to get involved in something I don’t feel is right.

    But, having said this, I do not over-charge my clients either. I feel I charge a fair amount that allows me to pay all those who helped out, including the DJs, script writers (if I hire any), hosts as well as the models, and I keep almost the same amount for myself. I say almost because sometimes it ended up none simply because I added more “helpers” later and thus increased my cost, or I ended up with something like 1000L more. But more or less, I keep a very small amount for the hours I spend in the shows.

    I know if all shows are to be charged, all agencies must adhere to this so as not to lose in bids. And I am also aware that a LOT of agencies out there offer free shows to designers just so that they can get shows. However, I will keep to my principle as a small protest to what is taking place.

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  751. Herra Says:

    November 20, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Some interesting reading here! I’m really on the fence with some of the stuff I’ve read in the past couple of days. I do respect the need for anonymous posts because sometimes it is important to get out information but protect oneself from the backlash. But too many time the anonymous post come across as nothing more than ‘sour grapes’.

    Honestly, I’ve worked in agencies where I have felt they served no value to the SL community and/or I had difficulty getting along with the management. Never once have I felt the need to badmouth those groups either as Herra (which btw I am Herradura Baar and I tend to post from 3 different computers – work, home desktop and home laptop) or as an anonymous poster. My only concern has been to make sure that we protect models from agencies that scam other models. To me that is the greatest offence out there.

    Simply not getting along with everyone else isn’t enough to gripe unless that person is trying to scam a profit without providing a service.

    My only other gripe about agency report – can put put an edit command in so I can fix all my #*($ typos (giggles)

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  752. Nave Fall Says:

    November 19, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    AgencyReport, being the out-world “forum” of choice for SL’s modeling community (I think of Model’s Workshop at the in-world voice in many ways), seems like the perfect place to ‘pose’ this HOT topic question. AgencyReport is just the place to fire a shot, hopefully, heard round the SL modeling metaverse……….. If there is a better place (maybe Starwalkers I dunno) it eludes me I’m open to suggestions however.

    My questions:

    I’m very curious about an on-going debate these days over PAID vs. UNPAID fashion shows. I’m curious about how much a “name” agency gets paid and who on their staff gets paid out of that? (Who is a name agency you ask? Certainly these: Boulevard, Glance, AVENUE, SuperElite, SW/MB Productions, Modavia, Maniera and a few others are “name” agencies. How much are they paid for a show? Why is one of their models worth L$1000 for walking in a show and another, equally talented, model is expected to work for the clothes they are walking? Why a director (not necessarily the agency’s owner btw) is paid but models, and staff are volunteers and the why the show’s script writer who scripts the “one time use only MC’s script” which takes hours and hours to write is paid little or nothing? Photographers? Are they paid per shot or per show? They aren’t photo-shopping event shots meant for Flickr are they? If they aren’t uploading the pics at L$10 a shot they can blaze away furiously.

    I’ve digressed into a rant…………sorry. I do that. Deal with it.

    My question is this, given the substantial costs/expenses incurred when running an SL modeling agency/school (Don’t get me started on what some schools charge these days) for such things as:

    Tiers

    Sets and decorations

    Staff: Models, Show script writers, builders, photographers videographers, choreographers, stylists, runway managers, script creator/writers, animators, MC, DJ, backstage crew, PR/Marketing, staff assistants/best boys, etc (If I left something out it wasn’t to slight anyone believe me please).

    Miscellaneous other expenses: Poses, animations, accessories, it goes on and on endlessly…………

    The $Linden outgo is substantial. You get the idea, I don’t have to detail every line item for any of you.

    So my question is this, what is a reasonable amount to charge for a show? Furthermore why should a designer pay ANYTHING for a show when many agencies are willing, clamoring even, to do shows for free, going so far as, after one agency announces a “designer’s” show to contact the show’s client/designer and undercut the original agency’s offer? Who’d do that you ask????? Get real……. Some people read other agency’s blogs obsessively looking for names to “market” to and have no compunctions/ethics about taking a shot at that designer. Just bidness doncha know?

    Where do I, personally, stand on this burning question? As both an officer of Tia Ryba’s TNT Modeling, on one hand, PR/Marketing staff to a well-known designer’s boutique on another hand, and with my new wife, Katherine Comet, being a model on yet a third hand ( 3 hands ???? Ummmmm Nave dude you have a leetle problem zere buddy…) I have a very personal dichotomy to deal with. If it appears paradoxical to you believe me its a quandary for me too.

    Ummmmmm

    Errrrr

    Uhh

    Well, I stand with the Dea Mills and Kay Faireys of SL. Shows are work and should be paid for. Well paid. It’s that simple. Agencies need to generate revenue to pay for the myriad expenses they incur and have a profit left over too. They need a rainy day fund to fall back on for when things get slow……

    I know that putting on a show is an imposing project, I’ve seen them from the inside. Building a runway and decorating a sim is expensive unless you are a talented enough builder and texture creator to do it yourself. MANY hours of work go on behind the scenes to prepare. Furthermore, working with designers, establishing a relationship solid enough to propose a show, takes time, A lot of time……………. Doing castings takes time. Writing the show script takes time. Castings, and the aftermath of castings, when people not selected demand, and maybe even deserve, explanations about why THEY weren’t chosen, burn more daylight (windlight????) Thinking up the show’s theme is work that takes time. Running and directing rehearsals sucks up massive amounts of time. This is all work for the agency CEO and her/his staff to do………… At the end of it everyone involved should receive something. Hopefully there is enough ‘profit’ left for the agency owner to fund some of their 2nd life.

    How much should all of these tasks cost? I dunno. I have my own ideas about which are the most intensive time-suckers. I see how hard Katherine practices. I see how much behind the scenes times she spends working on walks and poses and styling that no one else ever sees. I know how many $L1000s get spent on skins and hair and accessories. Don’t even think about what is spent on photography, you’ll faint at that one……

    I’m thinking now that if a designer wants to run a show for themselves that they should take a crack at it. Just do it. That way ALL the responsibility and glory resides in one place. If someone goes all DIVA on the designer they get INSTANTLY replaced, because there are lots of models who’d like to wear an “exclusive model” tag from Beningborough, or Muism, or SF Designs, or LeeZu, or the LeLook mall. The success or failure of THEIR event is ALL on their head then. Personally, if I were a designer I’d leave the fashion shows to people who do them well and spend my time designing great things to wear, which is how designers make their $Lindens, as opposed to spending hours soothing agency owner’s and model’s egos.

    As for agency owners if you can’t afford to run an agency, either the time required, the emotional toll it exacts on you, or the money it takes EACH month to fund it, you should forego the ego-gratifying glory of the CEO tag and its incumbent public grief. If you are the face of an agency, and the CEO IS THE FACE of the agency, YOU are going to take some HARD shots in public for things that “anonymous or stop the boooolsheit” decides to level at you. If you insist on whining about it in public afterwards expect more, mostly behind your back, ridicule for your wounded ego. Of course your sycophants will rally to your defense, forming a ring to soothe you and declare how brilliant and selfless you are in providing a great place for them to work at. Of course if any of them were stupid enough to complain under their own SL name they’d be booted instantly as disloyal and perhaps even a spy………… Again this is my personal opinion.

    I’d like to hear what people, particularly ANY agency/school owners and designers, have to say about these topics.

    Let the flames begin…………

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  753. agencyreport Says:

    November 19, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Yes, AgencyReport is a type of forum, to voice one’s opinion and experiences. The purpose of it is to inform models so they can make an informed decision about selecting agencies to apply to or contests to enter or bring up a problem that will get the attention of people in charge. That is the main purpose; and I think in recent months the purpose of this site, for many people, is to argue.

    I had originally wrestled with the idea of making agency report an actual forums based website. But I thought a WordPress format would be easier for people to find what they were looking for and would be easier to manage on my end.

    I think it is very difficult for someone to read through the back and forth arguments on some of these agencys’ pages to get a sense of what is really going on. And most of us don’t have time to read all of it, let alone figure it out.

    I want to cut down on the arguments and go back to what I had originally wanted . . . this is pasted from the homepage, “basically a feedback system.”

    But, this isn’t all about what I want . . . it’s what YOU want. So please, if you have friends that use this site, have them post what they want here.

    To agency owners, I do sympathize with you on some of your points but do keep in mind this is a site for models. I understand a website like this sort of sucks for you, and yes I anticipated that, which is why I’m running this website anonymous. 🙂 Just keep doing your best and when you post on here, try to be diplomatic. Even if there is drama and issues within your agency, if you respond to it with grace it goes a long way.

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  754. Anonymous Says:

    November 19, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Ok on this one I’m afraid I’m staying nicely annonymous:)

    I do usually post publicly, and this is only the second anonymous I’ve used (i think)

    Anyway, I agree wholeheartedly with LOLA and John, running an agency really IS tough going, and some of the anonymous comments on here that are often due to personal arguments between just 2 or 3 avi’s isn’t conductive to this site.

    So Agency Report you have my vote, but could we maybe meet half way and have annonymous posts heavily moderated and only 1 every 3 months as you suggest?

    Oops and i nearly signed off then LOL 😀

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  755. Nave Fall Says:

    November 19, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Is AgencyReport a forum??

    If it is, the back and forth is to be expected. Of course on most forums people are not “anonymous” and they can’t, as I admit to doing incite the opposition, anonymously, from behind the safety of their monitor/keyboard.

    Limiting our discourse. the advise and consent we log in chuckle about, is death.

    Don’t do it………… Puhhhhhhhlease don’t do it

    Of course, I know nothing about being a model in SL, the SL modeling community, running an SL modeling agency or school, putting on an SL fashion show or OMFG dealing with fashion designers, or models, so take my “personal” opinions with a grain of salt.

    If you intend to limit comment. why not just have people rate agencies by conducting a poll, thumbs up or thumbs down and make it mindless?

    AgencyReport serves a vital, unique service to the SL modeling world. S/he is OUR friend and bashing her/him for not living up to someone’s personal agenda/mission is sooooooooooooo wrong. Moderating AgencyReportis work………… Damn HARD work. Anonymity serves a VITAL purpose. Outting ANYONE in here should be banning offense IMHO.

    I think it should stay EXACTLY as it is. If people want to rip on someone, who may very well deserve being ripped on, this is the ONE place they can do it and have their voice heard AND AND AND reponded to. Cutting off the ability to repond defeats everything. Moderating it is jsut fine if you have the time Ms/Mr Zepp.

    AgencyReport rocks……

    But

    (Ooooooohhhhhhhhhh yeah. for the last time here I am NOT AgencyReport Zepp or the “real” SL Fashion Critique. Anyone who says I am, thinks I am, believes I am needs PROFESSIONAL help)

    I’m just,

    Nave Fall

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  756. agencyreport Says:

    November 19, 2009 at 9:52 am

    Ok guys. I do realize there is a problem. And I’ve been tossing around ideas for a long time on how to improve this site without me having to get in world and investigate people’s comments.

    So I looked at some RL websites that do a similar thing, allow people to post opinions or experiences with products. And what I think might work, is limit how many times a person can comment on a page, this would be checked with IP of course. Maybe limit it to 1 comment every 3 months? I don’t want to limit it to 1 only forever, because I’d like for people to be able to come back and give an update.

    I think that a lot of what happens is, people come on here and post something short and simple, maybe to antagonize others or maybe not, and then a back and forth argument ensues and more and more people get involved in the argument, choose sides, etc etc. Maybe if people were limited to 1 comment every 3 months that would halt the back and forth banter and people would give more thought to what they did post.

    Let me know what you all think about that. It’s a drastic change, so I want to know what you think before I make that rule.

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  757. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    November 18, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    I have to concur with Lola. Running an agency is hard. Especially when you have my agency competing against Lolas and she is competing against some other agency for the same clothing designer who may at the end cancel an event due to real life. So its hard trying to keep your models working. With that said people should be able to talk openly in here without fear. Sad truth is there are people whom are vengeful on both sides.

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  758. ♥ Lola Baudin ♥ Says:

    November 18, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    I would like to add something. I put in numerous hours in Second Life, trying to run an agency. And let me tell, it is not easy. I work around the clock, somtimes non stop just to keep it floating. I do not ask much from the models except respect and I know I give all my respect to the models who work in this agency. Another thing I ask is if they have issues, to come speak to us about it. I am not perfect, and open to ideas and suggestions IF it’s respectful and constructive.

    While I do think the agency report offers valuable insight into an agency at times, sometimes I feel that the comments from the anonymous posters do not offer any insight into the agency but are rather drama mongers who want to incite poison and inflict drama more into the agency due to their own personal vendetta and motivation. Obviously, it isn’t for altruistic reasons that they are leaving these vitrolic comments that do nothing but show their base character. I urge Agency Report to heavily moderate an anonymous comment system. All comments should be held in moderation before being posted.

    While in general I do not endorse censorship, infact, I am a member of the press in RL; I urge you in the spirit of this forum, that some sense of fairness and justice must come into play. While I do agree that anonymity is needed to protect the models who do have real concerns about their experience with an agency and also wish to keep their job. I do have a real concern of some of the comments that has been posted on this forum. Not only on the agency I run, but also in other agencies.

    Some of the comments I have seen on this forum are ‘RL gender of the models, models and owners sexual orientation, their love life, hypothesis of how an agency is created ect ect ect which really offers nothing but a tabloid like humor which I really do not think does this site justice. I urge the site owner to bring back the spirit of this forum which is open up communication between other models and perhap agency owners who are willing to see their mistakes (because yes, we are not perfect and make mistakes) and improve up on them.

    Comments which are grossly negligent, incorrect, and made by models who are no longer active in the agency do nothing but cause harm to those who are still active and those who want to make the agency better. Running an agency is a difficult endeavor, and I would urge anyone who thinks otherwise to try it and see. I am tired of fighting these anonymous posters who are NO longer in the agency. If they were, they would have the facts correct, but they do not. I think in some ways, this forum makes it harder for agencies to communicate with thier models for the fear of it ending up on the agency report, and creating unnecessary drama.

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  759. agencyreport Says:

    November 18, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Quoted from General News page:

    “Comments that are only to insult another poster that do not add any new information to the page will also not be approved. “

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  760. Echoes Says:

    November 18, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    It is sad that whoever runs this site has taken it upon himself/herself to start taking off comments he/she “feels” or “has been pressured into feeling” are not appropriate.

    This is the comment I made today on Opium:
    “I have to echo SD, a lot of butt kissing going on in this industry really. Opium takes it to another level in one or two days, ‘butt worship’, too painful to read.”

    I stand by it and will defend it.

    Apparently SD’s comments were removed too. It is sad when a website that has built its reputation on creating an environment for people to voice their opinions(some of whom may be otherwise voiceless), begins to depart from its initial goal and bend to the pressure from people who cannot take criticism. If you do not like the criticism, then please do not read it.

    Most times, the vicious comments seem to be coming from those people who claim to be “defending” themselves, when they are actually trying to silence people who call them out on their careless actions. Let’s take a look, for example, at one of the replies that Anastacia Markova posted to the comments made on Opium:

    “Well Queen Ana Should Speak.. In regards to such High Demands.. Let me tell you the truth.

    !. I ask models to put us in their profile, Indeed. ‘We hire them for shows youd think they would be proud enough to at least return the favor of mentioning them in their profiles’.

    The agency is funded through fundraisers because land fees have to be paid.. show fees…all kind so ffees… all comes out of MY pocket. I make NOTHING.

    So where is this windfall of profit im making?. I ask SO much out of models that I work my self to death for?.. Sounds like anonomous is a ingrate. and should leave this loving family!”

    I think this comment she made is vicious in nature even attacking the personality of the person who made the criticism (perhaps the owner of this website forgot to take it off?). Anastacia’s comment as well as other similar comments speak enough for themselves. It is exactly because of these kind of responses that some voices have chosen to remain anonymous. In real life, in the corporate world and other businesses, allowance is made for people to anonymously raise their concerns about employers and the like.

    If indeed the owner of this site has taken it upon himself/herself to silence some voices, it truly is a turning point in what most of us perceived as the purpose of this website. Maybe the owner could highlight this turning point, or perhaps remove my comment again.

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  761. ♥ Lola Baudin ♥ Says:

    November 1, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Would just like to clarify one thing from post by Nave Fall

    “Agencies fail or evolve, like MIA transformed itself into IMAGE and IMAGE is evolving minus Ethan into UNIQUE.”

    IMAGE has never been part of UNIQUE nor is UNIQUE a transformation of IMAGE. The two agencies are two separate entities altogether. IMAGE has always been an agency on its own and we are still standing and going strong. Thank you.

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  762. Herradura Says:

    October 31, 2009 at 4:13 am

    The good news – Gia Pudles is no longer in SL.
    The bad news – someone out there who once used the AV Gia Pudles could be doing this under another name – please always be wary of scams!

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  763. Also concerned model Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    We are many that met Sambo in different occassions, him always talking about upcoming shows and different projects that NEVER occurs, but it´s ways to get together and as it´s mentioned here it´s an undertone present all the time, and it´s not an undertone that should be there when you deal with a professional. Keep your distance girls!

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  764. Concerned Model Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Sambo Bracken is spamming all the open chat model groups looking to restart a new agency. Although I don’t recall him scamming anyone financially, the guy has a reputation of being quite the creep and making unwanted advances towards his models. Please see https://agencyreport.wordpress.com/fusion/ for details of his last failed agency.

    Take a look at his profile. He wants to run a professional modeling agency and yet he belongs to SL groups specifically for bimbos. Is this a man you want to work for in SL as a model?

    I would use caution working with Mr. Bracken unless perhaps you’re not really looking for a serious modeling career.

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  765. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    October 5, 2009 at 2:12 am

    I agree it was Hilarious. But what shocked me was when Nave came to me apologizing thinking if he gave the impression that is was about JCS. And I told him I knew it wasn’t about JCS, but if it was he was still entitled to share his opinion openly.

    Personally I concur that the comment he was slammed with was out of character. Though that one person is also entitled with their own opinion they made it personal. And he is right with the humor that some people do act that way when creating an Agency. It isn’t easy for those that do take it serious. And I have run into other owners that are angry with JCS due to they been around longer and do not understand why some developers choose not to do business with them.

    Now there is one thing that I will agree with NAVE and I am grateful he brought it up. Those gawd awful super runways made from countless prims. Some are as gaudy as they are prim heavy. All they do is add lag to a sim and you add scripts in the dresses hair jewelry and AO’s and you have models crashing on the walk or you have them going off the edge because someone forgot to add an invisible border to the runway. Maybe it was too many prims.

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  766. QueenBrat Bracken Says:

    October 5, 2009 at 12:46 am

    I think that what Nave has written about recently has been amusing and well written. He makes some good points that make me think about how I am coping with modelling and how I approach it. I think that leaving a message attacking him was uncalled for and rude.If his posts make me laugh and think at the same time he has done a good job. He was in no way mean to anyone and to be openly hostile on a public site is not needed.

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  767. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    October 4, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    I have been seeing the comments from a few of you on this subject and as an AGENCY OWNER I decided to add our position. When Jenna and I launched JCS I made it clear I had zero knowledge and background in modeling. However Jenna was well experienced. On that alone we concentrated on her running the agency due to she had the background in both worlds. I was limited only to RL experience having worked at Macy’s San Francisco.

    But before we opened the door Jenna looked at all the pros and cons and created a business model prior to us even thinking of a name. Shortly after the doors opened we became the first AGENCY in SL to ever launch a book of models that also featured the Photographer whom took them. For the first time in SL in our first publication you had the unknown model alongside the one who was well experienced. We did not know how it was to be perceived, only that all developers should be able to see what an agency had to offer to them in terms of who they want wearing their clothes either on the RUNWAY or in an ADVERTISEMENT.

    This concept worked for us. And in our second issue we were hired by MOREA for a dual publication and runway event. We at that moment made the decision that on the runway will be the models with runway experience. Those not on the runway would be featured in the MOREA books. It kept everything fair and it also provided time for the models in the book to work on their runway skills for the upcoming MOREA release in which we are hosting again and in production for as you read this.

    Now is this to say look at us? No it is not. Only that it is hard to maintain an agency without a good business model. You are right that there are people that join an agency then later choose to open their own. And yes some agencies do play favoritism. But in all honesty the modeling world is not exactly fair. There are plenty of MALE MODELS whom deserve their chance on the runway but sadly the demand for female models is greater. Still at JCS we keep working with developers and it is nice to see some now in production of male clothing and are warming up to the idea of showcasing their designs geared towards the male population. Still though the biggest buyers in SL happen to be women and we know realistically that is were the markets will generally stay.

    Our business model for JCS does not have titles. We refuse to have a title were it places one or a few models above the others. We actually spend our own money on our own models and help them with skins, shapes, hair, and other products they need to stay competitive with those whom are very popular. We will not allow them to look like another model for that defeats the purpose. He/She must be able to stand on their own. Even the super models in SL who read this will appreciate the fact that we recognize their efforts in trying to keep and maintain their appearance and to see another model copycat their looks is annoying.

    Is this expensive? Yes it is at times, but it also goes to show you that it works for us.

    Back in January we were nothing. No one would have ever even batted an eye at us. Now nearing the end of the year we stand as competitive as we are devoted to our staff. We have placed more models in Advertisements and more models in working positions than our competition. We operate in both worlds and are now working with RL products marketing them in SL with our models here at JCS. We even now have KEVIN MATHEWS from the company EXPRESS who guided that company away from THE LIMITED joining the JCS family when he relocates back to NEW YORK this November. And we will finance his in world clothing line.

    So to those who read this and you are looking to create or just now opening the doors to your agency. Please have a business model before you unlock the door to your sim and say welcome aboard. Be prepared to invest in your models and give them reason to stay and show them faith. Every developer is important. Don’t pick and choose who you want. Treat them all the same for one day they might be the next big thing. Don’t just dismiss them because they have a few things and the textures are just not right. Someone on your staff might be able to show them something or how to do something with that texture to make it better. Your photographers’ are your angels and they can make or break an Agency. Make sure they get equal respect for when the model is done being shot and you’re off talking to a developer or dancing at FRANKS JAZZ they are hard at work on their PC/MAC on that image to make you and the model look what you dream them to be.

    But most of all, know what you are doing. And be open to change and learning. Here at JCS we are still trying to get it right. We are successful but we are still learning.

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  768. Anonymous Says:

    October 4, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Wow, the hostility! I thought that it was well written myself and truthful. Modeling in SL is stressful, is expensive, and is competitive. Anyone that claims differently is trying to sell you something (modeling academy fees possibly?)

    Contests and pageants consist of most of this stress I do believe, and it’s your choice whether you enter or not. I don’t agree that you are missing out if you don’t enter, if it causes your SL to be stressful and that stress effects your RL mood, don’t enter. Learn to be happy and content with where you are and the accomplishments you have made; and stop striving to be the next best most famous SL model. I know this pursuit all too well.

    However, this type of stress often happens within an agency when they pit their models against each other. Now there are some great agencies where they DON’T do this, everyone gets a fair chance, some agencies even work on rotation so all models get the same opportunities. But some, hold castings where it’s basically a competition, several models all standing around or doing a runway walk, all of them hoping to be of the few picked. This just causes unrest within the agency itself. Some models get upset, some get mad, and some come on AgencyReport to spout about it.

    I ask, why would an agency do this? I don’t understand it. I’m a model, I don’t run an agency, so maybe there is a good reason why they do it like that. I just don’t think it’s ideal, I like how the other agencies that DON’T do casting like that are run. THOSE are the agencies I will offer help for areas in which I am talented, for free. THOSE are the agencies I will defend if any one says something negative about them. THOSE are the agencies I am proud to be a part of. The other ones, well I’d just shrug my shoulders if someone said something negative about them, if they send out a notecard for help in another area that I am talented in I ignore it, and they usually aren’t ones I’m proud to be a part of they are just a name I can list on my modeling resume. So I ask again, why would an agency do that, cause hostility within itself?

    I can already sense some agency owners getting defensive as they read this. But really, is the reason why you have castings like that outweigh the benefit of having happy models that are willing and ready to help your business? Defend your business? Be proud of your business? Perhaps having happy models would make your business flourish. Which type of agency do you think has models that are excited to talk to their designer friends about hiring these agencies? Which one do you think has models that go to the shows they aren’t in (and bring friends) to promote the agency? Hmm? Think about it.

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  769. Just Me Says:

    October 4, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Nave, how on earth can you honestly say you know how a modeling agency should be run, you rode on coattails to get to where you are now. You’ve never run an agency! Never owned an agency or have you ever REALLY been a model!!! Now you call yourself a writter, yet you’re never written a book, you go from agency to agency acting like you’re the be all of end all and you’re going to feature them on your blog, who cares about your blog, you’re nothing, not important, just a pixel that want to be in the limelight and longing for attention cuz you’re not getting it from your RL wife, SL wife and the numerous other women you’re involved with on her. Take my suggestion everyone ignnore the spinless man to thinks he’s somthing special, he’s a liar and a cheat and his opinion is worthless.

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  770. navefall Says:

    October 3, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    My last post here was meant to be amusing. I got a lot of compliments and I appreciated hearing those considering I’ve been told in here that my writing is boring and my topics are mundane. This post is not as amusing I’m afraid. But my next one will return to us to -> The Friends 123 Modeling Agency The Friends 123 Magazine <-. Stay tuned……….

    Meanwhile a more pervasive epidemic is my subject here: The emotional ups and downs of being a model in SL.

    I get, frequently it seems these days, IMd by good, well-trained models who are morose. Not depressed exactly, but beaten up by the competitive nature of modeling in SL and by circumstances they don’t control in any way, shape, or form.

    They say things like:

    “Things have really slowed down for me in here……”

    “I keep coming in second and the winner’s pictures; interviews; avatar/shape/skin/hair; outfits; etc aren’t as good as mine. Am I doing something wrong? What do I do now? Who should I talk to Naveeeeeee?”

    “I keep trying to be what designers/agency owners/photographers want but I always seem to miss the mark. I have all the popular skins, hair, eyes….. I change into what I think they want………..”

    “I was selected as: “The Model of the Week/Month/Year” and what do I get for that? I’m their “Spokes Model” BFD. Why don’t they talk to me, include me in things? Am I just a pretty avatar to them?”

    “Why do people who break contest rules win these damn things?”

    “Is there a photographer out there who I can count on to do things on time when I, desperately, need them on time for a contest/event/designer?

    “Is my attractiveness quotient non-existent? I think this avatar is handsome, attractive even……. And I’m easy to chat with. Why don’t female agency owners like me? I bathe. WTF………… Talk to me dude.."

    This conversation almost always tracks the same way………. Invariably, since every one of these plaints (they aren’t complaining, or whining, exactly, each of them is truly mystified by their situation) is unique, and there’s no simple, off the cuff answer I can give anyone. I also believe that it leads back to undeniable, gravity-like questions. Gravity doesn’t relent, not for one second and these questions don’t ever change. They are exactly the same questions for everyone.

    These are the questions:

    What is the toughest lesson you have to learn the answer to to succeed as a model in SL?

    Can you be successful without understanding, internalizing, and ALWAYS remembering the answer to that question????

    The answer, thankfully (in a way) is exactly the same as it would be in RL:

    You’re going to be rejected far more often then you get selected. Accept it.

    The lessons you MUST come to terms with are these:

    YOU have to be emotionally resilient.

    YOU have to learn to deal with rejection.

    Mike Ditka said: "You're never a loser until you quit trying." (I'm from Chicago and I like Da Coach……….sue me). People counter my Ditka quote with Dale Earnhardt’s, “Second Place is just the first place loser.” Believe me I’ve lost a bunch myself I empathize with your pain…………

    So I sigh and don’t argue with them about THEIR feelings. I merely suggest they admit to themselves, that every person/avatar they are competing with, at EVERY casting they attend, is great looking and often as perfectly styled as theirs is. Any good modeling school, or stylist, in SL can help you put a really nice one together in half an hour for a few thousand $Lindens. Fixing your own head though, is much tougher. Keep reading I’ll make some suggestions further along…………..

    At Model’s Workshop (which meets every week on Thursday evening at 5SLT – sorry shameless plug sorry for something I am involved with in here that every ‘evolving” model should be at) there have been many guest speakers who’ve addressed this avatar styling issue. One notable, recent speaker (who stunned me personally btw) was Ms. Topaz Joubert, CEO of Maniera Inc, who spent over an hour one evening, several months ago, speaking to the issues of fine tuning your avatar, adjusting simple things to make it better and beat, beat, beating on the fundamental thought of finding, and sticking to, your own unique look. If you consulted Ms. Joubert for that advice, it might take several hours and cost you L$10,000+ for a one on one consult like that. If you’re the one who is in a flat spin over what is wrong that would be worth every $linden if it broke you out of your malaise. Cheaper then psychoanalysis and she gives you answers and homework to do. Can you say “skin probation”? So before you can fix your head maybe you need to stabilize something. Set your avatar up and leave it alone for awhile. Obsessively changing your look confuses people. Believe me………..

    I also wonder about this…..is it an agency owner’s responsibility to their company’s models to be their psychiatrist/best friend/confessor on those really bad days? Do they, personally, have the time to do this for a roster that might be 40, or more, models? Perhaps a more pragmatic question is this, does a very expensive model training class (I, personally mind you, view a $L10,000 model’s training course as expensive ) like that taught by Ewing, for example, (don’t get me started on Ewing btw) address the very real emotional issues of being a model in SL? Does any modeling school in SL teach you how to deal with the ravaging, roller coaster rides that most SL models endure day in and day out at any price???? Not to my knowledge. If there’s one out there that does, tell us all (or IM me in-world and convince me that you do teach it with names to contact who were in the classes) who teaches it? I don’t think that glaring need, that important, very personal, survival characteristic can be taught easily. I’ve been told that UVogue actually has a psychologist on their staff to help with these things. I’ll ask Gemini Hennessy, the new CEO there, about this the next time I see her in-world.

    Ultimately, YOU have to convince yourself that YOU can, and are going to, succeed as a model in SL. It is YOUR personal responsibility. You can’t defer responsibility for that to someone else. No one can MAKE you a success (not really). No one can care about YOU as much as YOU care about yourself.

    I’ll digress here and give another boring RL analogy/example. Let’s look at how steel is produced for a minute. Steel starts as iron with selected other metals and chemicals, chromium in stainless steels for example, (some might even call these impurities btw) added to the mixture. These mixtures have been discovered over time to yield certain predictable and desirable characteristics. Heat is then used to change the internal, molecular structure of steel. Heat treating is done over precise amounts of time, often in a state of the art, computer controlled, and oxygen-free furnace, with its temperature changes scientifically calculated to create steel with a particular set of characteristics (I’m skipping the austenite, martensite, pearlite explanation here). So what? What do stell and SL models have in common you're asking about now? How does an SL model get tempered and toughened up? How does that necessary, mental toughness get instilled? Does being pounded on the anvil of rejection time after time after time do it? For some it does…..others fall by the wayside because they get into their own heads and can’t balance the joys they feel when they succeed against the pain, anguish and self-doubts they feel, more often when sadly, they come in second or worse…………….

    If you’re lucky, you have someone close to you who cares enough to listen when you are having one of these moments and are at your worst. Friends are really important at that moment in time. Sooooooo, one week you will be the hottest thing going and the next week you’re yesterday’s news. Everyone suffers some insecurity from time to time. Staying cool, and poised, at these moments, truly believing in you is critical. It’s not easy to do this. There is no simple answer here. No one may be able, or, even, worse, willing to talk to you about, much less explain, or diagnose, your problem or why you were rejected. Keep reading…………..

    Another boring RL Nave example ( you can skip ahead if yoiu wish it's okay with me ), I have asthma. I’ve had it since I was a child. My company was a non-smoking environment. Really non smoking. If I smelled smoke on someone I was interviewing for a job with us (before I lost my sense of smell because of them btw) I didn’t hire them. I’d cut the interview short, thank them for their time and send them on their way. They knew before they came in that we were a non-smoking company. We were upfront about that policy years before it was legislated. I was allergic and, besides, I didn’t want people who NEEDED to go have a smoke 8 times a day @ 10 minutes a smoke. My bad, but it was my company too………….. None of us smoked. I only made the mistake once after instituting the policy and after wheezing around her for weeks I, finally, figured it out. After that I rejected smokers out of hand. I never told them why I did it. I didn’t have to supply a reason for my rejection, no matter how qualified they were. I had a pre-conceived prejudice about smoking that I could indulge. These days I am more tolerant of addictions………….

    How do I deal with being rejected? Some people have asked me why I don’t actively pursue a runway modeling career? I’ve been trained. I own the tools. If I practice I can walk any runway, count things off and pose well. I am not the best but I can hold my own. The reasons I don’t do runway modeling are simple really.

    The first reason is I don’t deal well with being rejected myself. My honest answer that one……. I know, sitting where I’ve sat, in both RL, and SL, that people get rejected a lot of the time, for things they really want, for no reason within their control. I try to avoid that kind of pain myself. I like controlling my destiny if I can.

    The second reason is that being a really good model in SL takes a lot of dedication and the active willingness to take crap from people who you might think you are better than but who control your fate AT THAT MOMENT, so you STFU and take it. Personally, I don’t STFU that well either.

    Which leads to my third reason, it takes a huge investment to become a really good model on SL; an investment of time, money and emotional energy. Sweat and tears. While I have a fair amount of time on SL, the reality is that I have almost no time on the weekends when many major SL fashion events take place. My RL prevails at those times, as it should. so I am not really good model material despite a nice avatar, some technical skills and all the tools, poses and wardrobe that a good model needs because I am, frequently, not available at the most important times to hit a catwalk in SL.

    In SL, models get chosen, or rejected, for a myriad of reasons. The person selecting the model may look at pictures on an agency blog, website or in a model’s portfolio and none of them speak to him or her. Models evolve over time but the pictures out there may not show the current, most evolved and attractive you. That’s your own fault. Fix it. You don’t need to leave every picture ever taken of you out there for everyone to see. Only the best ones, the ones that SELL you NOW should be out there on your Flickr page.

    They may look at a model’s profile and see something they don’t approve of. Worse yet, they may see a competitor of theirs among the person’s picks. Bang!! You’re deaddddddddddd. Fix these things

    They may see a list of “pseudo- accomplishments” on the front page of a profile that aren’t really accomplishments except to the person groping to appear worthy.

    Top Five Finalist @ Miss Urban Decay 2007. (It was a pay to vote popularity contest – get real)

    Friends 123 Agency Fashion Director and Spokes Model (We read about them in a previous blog of mine)

    Miss SL “Dogcatcher” 2008 (Former partner/boyfriend’s contest)

    SLuperStud Magazine “IT Girl – She does IT for us!! May, June July 2009 (unh huh unh huh we like it)

    Graduate of 16 modeling academies. Basic, Advanced & Elite at them all (You have way too much $$$ )

    They may see agencies listed that aren’t in existence anymore and think to themselves why include that here, isn’t there anything current to spend this space on? Isn’t there something they could have said to catch my attention, something unique about them, something appealing?

    The front page of a profile is like the front-page of a newspaper above the fold. PRICELESS, PRIME MARKETING REAL ESTATE. The one place you can make yourself stand out without any reservations. If the person looking at that profile is me, I’m skimming them all the time and if nothing grabs my attention yours get passed over. How much time do you have to capture that second look from me? 10 -15 seconds max.

    A designer/client may not like blonds, or brunettes, or redheads. They may like short hair, or really, really edgy looks. They are the person whose attention you need to capture and then, only then, you might get the chance to fill them in on why you are the ONE for them face to face. You need to get to that point and then sell yourself madly. They may want a particular skin to be worn, hair from a particular creator. It’s their choice……. They are the customer. You are a clothes rack that they are hanging their creation on. Or maybe their job upon. It’s not about you. Get over yourself. If you are submitting a picture to them for consideration as their representative at least wear something they created. Seems pretty straight forward to me……………

    You can do some research on them before you take, and submit, a picture to them. Certainly, before you meet them for a go see. If you have some insight into them you enhance your chances of NOT being rejected because you will be more at ease when you chat with them. If you aren’t doing these simple preparatory things you deserve to be rejected……..

    So have I hit some of your emotional sore spots here? Things you knew you were doing and scoffed over as of no consequence? Ohhhhhh you failed to drop the note to the designer you just met telling them you‘d love to work with them? Bad………..really smart models pay attention to those little details and make sure to followup just like they would after a RL job interview. BTW If I get the note do I care? Not really….. but I do notice it.

    There's a lot more to this but I've hit some of the high points I think and if you read this far you know some of things you need to do………..

    I'm just,

    Nave Fall
    Chief Operating Officer
    TnT Modeling Agency

    More later…………….

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  771. navefall Says:

    October 2, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Skit???????

    That was a chat transcript…………..not a skit

    Could I possibly make such a thing up?

    I mean I can’t write doncha know. Azura Thespian said so . It must be true………… Where is Azura these days btw?

    Friends 123 Agency will appear again shortly. Stay tuned.

    I’m just,
    Nave Fall
    COO
    TnT Modeling
    and
    I am not a writer

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  772. kaylenamaria Says:

    September 29, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    [Rolls out of her seat laughing]

    I just had to comment on the below little skit because it was just hilarious. It really woke me up and gave me a laugh when I needed it being stuck here at rl work and letting my eyes cross from spreadsheets. So funny and yet so true. Good one Nave. This is gonna have me chuckling for a bit today. Thanks! [Smiles]

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  773. Nave Fall Says:

    September 24, 2009 at 2:45 am

    I was thinking that AgencyReport needed some humor, it’s been so quiet lately, so I’ve taken a look at how a modeling agency gets started in SL these day…….

    I wrote this for my blog but it will be read by many more people here so I asked AgencyReport Zepp’s permission to post this here first.

    Here goes………..

    I think every modeling agency on SL is undergoing some stresses and changes right now. Many people who thought it would be fun to own an agency and become a famous DIVA jumped in, so the list of agencies is endless. I can’t name names here but they know who they are…

    Starting an agency goes something like this (the names hae been changed to protect the innocent here):

    They start the agency first. With a name they spontaneously create out of thin air. Marketing???? We don’t need no steeeenking marketing……… The Friends 123 Model Agency is born.

    Then the 3 fast friends decide to figure out their business plan (not having been to business school they are feeling their way in the dark here).

    Friend 1 turns to her best friends forever and says okay we’re a modeling agency now.

    Herfriends do what friends do. They say:

    Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy………..

    The conversation then goes something like this……

    Friend 1: We’ve got a name. Now what should we do?

    Friend 2 (or lover): Yippppppeeeeeeeeee we’re a modeling agency. Let’s have a fashion show. Let’s start a school. We need to have a magazine too. A logo, we need a logo too……….

    Friend 1 ( the smart one )says: We need some groups too. Those cost L$100 to start but I’ll take care of those for us. I think 5 or so will do it…………. I’ll think up titles too. Head Cheese, Smelly Cheese, Toe Jam etc. Fun titles for everyone………

    Friend 3 is so stunned by this that not a word is said. Yet…………

    Friend 1: Who knows a designer we can get to sponsor a show for us? Ohhh damn, do we have any models yet? We better get some models huh? Let’s try to steal. errrrrrrr, I mean recruit, some good ones first but we should spam the modeling groups and hold a dozen casting calls too. We can be mean to everyone…….unless they suck up to us of course.

    Friend 1 to Friend 2 (Friend 3 ((the not too bright one)) is still silent): I think you should be in charge of recruiting sponsors. I’m the creative one here…………….I’ll think up the show themes and direct it. I am a natural leader……..

    Friend 3: silently trembles with desire to participate – somehow some way, or be left behind with the unwashed masses of “not owners”

    Friend 2 blinks for the first time……………..but luckily for her a dupe then steps in

    Friend 3: OOOOOOOO ooooooooooooooo I know someone who is a designer. Can I be in charge of that? Puhhhhhhlease?

    Friend 1 looks at Friend 2 and smirks to herself. Then she winks and says……….

    Friend 1: Absolutely. Do you agree Friend 2?

    Friend 2: I sure do. This is a great idea……..

    Then to friend 3 she says, “You are in charge of marketing and sales and promotion and the blog and writing all the note cards, the non-disclosure agreements, and the contracts and getting free stuff for the VIP giftbags. We also need to copyright everything and trademark the name in the US . No big deal…… you can handle that. No sweat right?

    One final thing though, you have to run all your ideas past me and Friend 2 as soon as you get them and we need to approve them. Okay? Great……..then we are agreed

    Dooooooooooooooooooooooomed………………..

    Duhhhhhh!!!!! I wonder what friend 3 is thinking about now? Hearing that we need a full-sim, We need a cool headquarters. We need groups and logos and freebies. Ohhhhhhhh my……. Let’s build us a unique runway!

    Why not build a great agency and do things for the models to gain their good will and enthusiastic support. Why not commit to an event a month and get on that. But that’s hard work…………. and suddenly Friends 1 and 2 aren’t around that much anymore. Maybe Friend 4, who was recruited by Friend 3, will write the business plan for them because the others have countless rehearsals for other agency’s shows to attend saying, .

    “I have MY modeling career to tend to…………..”

    So now the spiral starts, recruited models say to themselves. “What have these guys done for me lately?” What are they up to? What are they doing and why don’t they tell us about it?

    At some point the rubber has to meet the road and it’s hard work, very competitive and you need a myriad of skills to succeed in the SL modeling community.

    You have to be a:

    Manager/Planner
    Psychologist
    Recruiter
    Writer/Editor/Blogger/Event Scripter
    Designer/Builder
    Marketeer/Sales Manager
    Schmoozer
    Fashionista/Trendsetter
    Techie/Estate Manager with GOD powers
    Deejay
    Trainer
    Photographer
    Stylist
    Sorority House mother
    Triage Nurse
    Translator (because so many great designers and models don’t speak English)

    and a

    Vampire (because there’s not enough time to sleep now)

    Did I forget that it helps to be. personally, well funded ( unless you find a sucker to pay for everything )and own your own sim?

    Sooooooooooooooooo things are shaking out a bit. Many of the big designers are tired of the relentless begging for sponsorship that they are being assaulted by. New, maybe even deserving, creators are ignored or dismissed out of hand. Too small we need NAME designers to make our mark. Fringe and edge groups aren’t represented except by a rare agency like, Nocturne, Voshie Paine’s agency, is one I recall, there may be others but they don’t come to mind easily. (No offense if you view your agency as edgy or on the firnge feel free to comment)

    Agencies fail or evolve, like MIA transformed itself into IMAGE and IMAGE is evolving minus Ethan into UNIQUE. They disappear like Fierce suddenly did. They fade like Timeless seems to have faded, or merge, like SLGlam and Infinite are doing now, or choose a support business niche, like Ewing seems to have done, concentrating on training, despite not marketing themselves that way. If I’m misinformed here, feel free to correct me with a comment.

    Big well run agencies like AVENUE, Moda, UVogue, Glance, EIMA, Opium, Evane, Modavia, SuperElite, and Maniera, to name the ones that pop to mind easily, meanwhile, are thriving. I think. Sorta kinda thriving. I left Boulevard out on purpose because they are a unique situation and have advantages the others don’t share…………….

    So there is my I hope amusing view of how an agency get started in SL these days……….. Hopefully the founders ahve fun do ing it. Lord knows I have a ball, personally, at TnT and we are doingout best to not make any of the mistakes I described above by taking things methodically and planning first……

    I’m just,

    Nave

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  774. Herra Says:

    July 20, 2009 at 7:35 am

    It’s important to note that good training in the modeling industry does require you to spend lindens. That’s the fact that people like Gia Pudles use in order to scam others. But legitimate academies will show you their agency, have agendas to share with you and are taught by models who have legitimate experience. And legitimate academies will not push you into paying until you feel comfortable with all the questions that you might have.

    I’m now training for Glance and if someone was interested in training I’d want to make sure they met with all the key people and answered all their questions before even asking for one dime (and btw I don’t take the money – I’m just told who to train).

    I’m just fearful that the Gia Puddles out there will continue to scam. All I can do is my best to warn folks.

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  775. Ariadne Barzane Says:

    July 19, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Gia Pudles is using the group lists from modeling agencies to contact people and scam them…She is asking for a large upfront fee for training and offering to schedule large dollar photoshoots immediately to help the individual make back the training investment…Her profile yesterday included a large number of agency names but a few moments ago it was empty….She is joining the agency groups and using group chat to contact people in the group….At this point, she could be using a new name to conduct her scam…Beware of anyone who asks for a large amount of training money and promises that you will make it back quickly!!!

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  776. Herra Says:

    July 10, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    DO NOT TRUST GIA PUDDLES

    She will scam you and take your money.

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  777. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    July 7, 2009 at 6:59 am

    And we have the audit for that event. It shows one transfer of votes from one contestant to another by Gymmy Sinatra. Nothing more. We turns these figures and audits into Linden Labs to ensure accuracy and they meet TOS agreements.

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  778. SL Model in shock! Says:

    July 7, 2009 at 6:01 am

    Johnathan, I DO believe what I saw!

    I was shocked with what I SAW, so I mentioned it here! Nobody told me!

    I SAW it!!!

    And I end it here! Now, everybody may think what they wish. I SAW it! End of conversation!

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  779. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    July 5, 2009 at 11:57 am

    To answer your question we came in under the understanding that it was 10 Lindens not 2. We were aware of this from the start of the first initial Sinatra Style Competition. If the contestant notecard says otherwise then there is a clerical error we at JCS overlooked. Then that is our own fault. JCS will not pass blame to the Sinatras nor F.E.G. over a minor clerical error in a contestant notecard that can be repaired with a simple keystroke.

    Now to answer your statement about what you saw again let me remind you that JCS does audit the competition to ensure fairness. Gymmy Sinatra DID NOT vote for any girl contrary to what you have seen.

    We know exactly what you saw. In the very first competition there was a contestant who was winning in both votes and dollar amount. She chose to remove herself from the competition feeling that the contest itself was wrong for her to enter. She was already an established model and felt this is for the girl who never modeled before and was looking for that 15 minutes of fame. She chose Angie2 Diesel.

    Prior to this being final, I personally spoke with her asking her to remain in the competition. She politely declined and her wishes were respected. All you saw was a transfer of votes, nothing more.

    This happens often. You will see some of the contestants develope friendships and one will step down to help the other achieve her dream. In some cases we at JCS have extended an offer to the other contestant to interview with us and in some cases have brought them aboard JCS even though they did not win. Tula Bruun won the Second Miss Sinatra Style competition and an offer was extended to one of her friends she made during the competition. JCS even extended a portfolio offer to William Holden (yes william is a lady) in regards from the first competition. William accepted and we await her to be back online to complete this commitment.

    Naturally there will be those of you who will say this was an easy excuse to justify what Model in Shock observed. That is fine you are still welcome to question this statement. Believe me when I say we field so many comments about this competition on what people believe goes on behind the scenes. I have been there myself and overheard boyfriends of several contestants tell some models there that the winner is already picked and their attempt at working at this daily will fail them. That they have the inside scoop. Some people are not nice. This happens often to be honest.

    But did Gymmy Sinatra vote for Angie? No he did not. Dont believe everything you see and assume that it is what it is. Your still entitled to your opinion, but always remember there are others out there who will step on the backs of you and I to get what they want.

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  780. SL Model in shock! Says:

    July 5, 2009 at 8:48 am

    To Jonhathan:

    I am not aware of what’s going on between Agencies. You’re right, a “top” tag, doesn’t say much. People’s attitudes do. I am not attacking JCS, please, understand this, nor am I saying anything about Sizzle.

    I don’t really know where Angie got her “top” from. No idea.

    SL Models, as you know may work with several Agencies, I’m not aware of all the gossip around ( and I don’t want to).

    Again, and I repeat, I am telling what I saw and if you re-read my words, you’ll see that I said I only saw Gimmy voting once. I didn’t “camp” there!

    I’ve been asked by many of my friends, SL Models, to go “here” or “there” to vote for them, in voting contests.
    I personally was never in one voting contest, worse if the Contest asks for your money. Never entered one. So, I saw what I saw, once!! I didn’t vote for anybody.

    Cause the contest boards asked for L10! Daily!. I needed the money for me. So, I just went there once and that same day I saw what I told you.

    It’s worth going back in time and remember this: while I was at Gimmy’s place, I took an information sheet about the Contest.

    Johnathan, can you confirm here, please, for everybody, (since JCS sponsored this Contest in Gimmy’s place) what was the minimum ammount that this information notecard announced for a daily vote? I shouldn’t ask you that, really. I don’t know who to ask this , but , tell us, what was the minimum ammount mentioned in the Information Notecard?

    L2.

    Yes, 2 Lindens. Once you touched the boards, to vote, it asked you for L10. Right?

    Who here still has that Information Notecard from the first voting Contest? So, tell me, am I not telling the truth? Everybody that still has the Info Notecad for that Contest can confirm what I am saying.

    I do not believe that voting contests are worth while. Please, this is not an attack to JCS or to its co-owners. I’d advise though, to search carefully who your Agency sponsors. It’s part of the Agency’s reputation as well. Take care of your Agency’s reputation as a SL Model does, too.

    And yes, I agree when you say to spend our money in improving ourselves.

    Better then spending money in a voting contest in SL, let’s spend it in having SL Model Training with good Instructors (I know SL Agencies charge for that), but it’s worth it, I can tell you.

    I saw some voting boards there with 30K!! yes!! L30.000!! I can assure you, we can have good training inworld to improve ourselves, with less that 30K! Actually, it’s more than enough!

    Contests, can be debatable. Voting ones are out of the question for me ( I had a very good SL Model Mentor that made that pretty sure for me – NEVER as a SL Model, enter a voting Contest! That’s what I did and still do).

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  781. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    July 4, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    TO Model In Shock:

    First I am co owner of JCS. We do not give out titles of TOP MODEL to any person. Titles are words, nothing more. True grit and determination is what gets you there. JCS took Angie2 Diesel after she won the competition for Sinatra Style Magazine. However JCS was the co-sponor of the event. We monitored and audited the contest and Angie2 Diesel won fair and square.

    Now before you go and say YOU SAW THIS with your own eyes let me make something very clear. Angie2 Diesel resigned from JCS and Sinatra Style Magazine in lie of termination recently. Those of you monitoring the current Sinatra Style competition recently noticed that the leading contender in that competition was ejected from the competition though people assumed she was favored by Gymmy Sinatra.

    Gymmy Sinatra ejected her. As for Angie2 Diesel and the TOP MODEL that was another agency. Angie won that on her own outside of JCS. We have no control over SIZZLE, their content nor opinions.

    Angie2 Diesel did work during her tenure at JCS. We however cannot answer for any actions she participated in outside of JCS working hours. In regards to her seperation from JCS, we will not discuss the manner publicly.

    In regards to the recent issue regarding favoritism for Miss Sinatra Style, all doubts were removed when Gymmmy Sinatra removed the leading contender proving once and for all that flattery doesnt win you a viting contest.

    But what is even worse is the number of IM’s from people who ask to remain anonymous and are willing to trade information on a model on a wall for a set amount of lindens or are providing note cards or images of a fellow contestant and something from that persons past.

    It also goes in the modeling realm as well. I have had modles approach me wanting to be a model. I refer them to my wife Jenna due to I do not hire any models. But they still try and they tell me about the OTHER agency they are with and the drama there and who NOT TO HIRE or bring aboard JCS.

    Jenna Coppola Studios is a small but proud agency. And we have done well for a small start up. Yet, we have donr this in both worlds and can think for ourselves. We do not nor will allow a model to dictate who should and should not be on a runway.

    Many of you models create your very own demons. You buy skins hair and clothes other models wear. You emulate them and complain why they are in a show and you are not. You dont put forth the effort or time to create your own image. You may spend the money but that doesnt mean you are the next thing. And as many of you have learned, meeting someone famous in the modeling realm doesnt guarantee you a spot on the runway. Going everyday to the same place to practice when you look like another model doesnt mean you work hard. All that means is that you are there.

    The hardcore models in SL continue to grow and maintain an appearence while others keep playing catch up. That is why they are working. Any agency owner will tell you this is true. Any model with a title will also tell you this is true. If all you got is I saw this and that then guess what, How are you working hard if you are out there watching Gymmy Sinatra, Angie2 Diesel or any other model or contest owner?

    No more excuses.

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  782. SL Model in shock! Says:

    July 4, 2009 at 3:08 am

    To Johnathan Heiss:

    Yes, Gymmy Sinatra voted for Angie, because I saw it! We all know the transparent feature in SL. I had it on and saw him at the voting spot, I saw that lady’s voting board, I saw the number of votes, also saw those little “red dots” coming from Gymmy’s hand go up to that person voting board. And saw the number of votes increase, plus one. And I saw it only once (how many more times did this happen, we may ask?), cause I have a SL, I was not camping there everyday! But I wish I had done a print screen so that everybody could see the names of the avatars and what I did see! I am not lying!

    To Lorra Undercroft:

    I am not questioning the Majectic voting contest you are mentioning, Lorra. What shocked me, happened long before this “Top Model” got there. JCS made her a “Top Model” after the first voting contest I mentioned. I am not being personal, I repeat, I don’t know these people personally. I just told what I saw and I’m really really sorry I didn’t do a print screen on the first voting contest for everybody to see what I saw. It’s sad.

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  783. lolitanomura Says:

    May 31, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    well said Herradura 🙂

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  784. Herradura Baar Says:

    May 30, 2009 at 10:57 am

    I’m not sure what all of this is about but I do know the owners of Sizzle Magazine and this is a very fair and honest magazine. I also know the owners of Model Majestic and JCS and again, these are very fair and very honest people who I have trusted with many things.

    As for ‘SL Top Model’ – well anyone with the abitily to type can find a way to give themselves that title in their profile. I’ve seen the words “TOP MODEL” in so many profiles from so many models and model wannabes in SL that I really pay no attention to who is using it. I do find that the truly top models of SL don’t even bother using it since they know that they are some of the best and that simply saying their names people will recognize them as the best.

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  785. Brittainy Collins Says:

    May 28, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    I can’t respond concerning Angie as I was not there, did not participate, so was not aware of the circumstances. What I do wish to respond to is the comment about contests. Though I personally dont like participating in these, alot of people do. Many I know. These contests are not something new nor really something we should be shocked about. Voting photo contests have been and always will be a popularity contest. That is the downside.

    On the upside alot of people who enter these contests, whether they win or loose, tend to look at the other photos in the compition. They do have a need to improve themselves if this is the field they truly want to continue to explore as far as modeling goes. It encourages them to enter modeling school, improve their looks, get better photos taken. All in all, even if the photo contests are nothing more then a popularity contests the range of photos they submit as time goes on improves.

    On another point I saw here was the I want to model to become famous. This is a really sore point with me. So many of us work every day to improve what we know and succeed. Honestly, if someone has a Top Model tag applied to them I say good for them. They worked their asses off. Whether 1 month or 2 years. They worked hard to succeed and everyone around them can learn alot from what they have done, but in my personal opinion these people who say in verbal and in Resumes/Applications I want to be a model to become famous, be all over magazines, and get lots of clothes have absolutly no business being here amoungst us. Shame on you.

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  786. Johnathan Hiess Says:

    May 27, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    I wish to write a response to the MODEL IN SHOCK about Angie2 Diesel.

    Yes it is true she won the voting competition held at Franks Jazz. Did Gymmy Sinatra vote for her? No he did not and I know this to be true. I am co-owner of JCS and watched the numbers for myself. Truth I felt Angie2 Diesel did not have a chance at all in making it. She however was out there everyday and managed to win but it was a very close contest between Angie2 Diesel and William Holden. Yes William Holden is a lady.

    After signing with JCS we honored our agreement with Franks and Angie with a complete makeover. Since that day Angie2 has worked steadily on a minor circuit of modeling with no direct competition to other models. However she also blossomed and it was through her own tenacity and determination she won the title of Miss Moldavia. We are very proud of her.

    In regards to SIZZLE and the owners of SIZZLE, they are entitled to have their own opinion. If they see ANGIE2 DIESEL as a TOP MODEL then so be it. Too many of you whom read these blogs are concerned over who gets what title in Second Life, will write a negative comment (granted you have that right and it will be respected), then drop it under anonymous rather than post your name. Perhaps it’s your lack of character and how you see the modeling realm of SL that a person like ANGIE2 is chosen over you.

    Many models reading this who do work very hard will tell you they despise a copycat. They develop their own look and style only to be copied by someone like your self. You buy the same hair, skin, shape and wear what they do. Then you rant and rave about Angie2 Diesel being TOP MODEL by SIZZLE when you are saying to yourself I look better than her I have this skin from such and such place.

    With that said now you may know why she is TOP MODEL and not you. She has her own look and style. You may not like it but oh well. It might be her personality on top of it. She doesn’t try to be like someone she is just being herself. And it works.

    There is only one Mimi Boa. There is only one Jenna Coppola. There is only one Wenadrenia Soderstrom. There is only one EmmZ Tzara. There is only one Angie2 Diesel. There can be an only one you if you stop and try hard enough to look for her.

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  787. Lorra Undercroft Says:

    May 27, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    angie2 Diesel’s photo was given to me by Elle Raynier, owner of Model Majestic Conference Center. Angie won the Model Majestic Feature Model Contest, which was a free contest to enter, free to vote, only 1 vote per avie per day, as set by Elle. Elle is not the sim owner, and gained nothing by this contest. It was meant for nothing other than to get the models who entered more exposure, so the accusation that anyone got rich by this is untrue. Yes, it may have been my oversight to label her as a “SL Top Model” in my contents & acknowledgement pages, and could have easily been remedied by this person contacting me about it personally, instead of posting a complaint on a website for all to see, without having all their information.

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  788. anonymous Says:

    May 27, 2009 at 7:34 am

    Seems that Angie2 Diesel does nothing else than this …in another contest..without payments..she hired a clubmanager to vote with his VIP group and joined a “Vote me” group to win a contest at Model Majestics…i was shocked as i was there casue i heared about a contest and saw her in there with all her “helpers” it was really a mess…
    With such things the Modeling buisness in SL gets a foolish thing and all who try to work honest as a model will seen in a bad light if such contests become famous 😦
    This is not the way of being in the SL modeling buisness for all the hard working well trained models who spend lots of time and money on their career!!!

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  789. agencyreport Says:

    May 26, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    I am completely astonished!

    Just read Sizzle Magazine and saw a lady called Angie2 Diesel fetured there as SL TOP MODEL???? Please!!! I know how this avatar became “known” – in a voting contest, where people had to pay 10L a day to chose our favourite Model.

    I saw Angie2 Diesel there several times, at the voting spot, and she was a complete newbie and I also saw the owner of sim vote for her!! I’m sorry, but a Top Model is not a person wearing a tag!!

    By all means, please respect our jobs in SL and don’t start making a star of someone who still hasn’t proven a thing!

    Please, this is not personal in any way. I do not know Angie2 Diesel as a friend, but I surely know that she is NOT a TOP Model!! We must have some respect for our training, for all the hard work we do.

    I know that just in 6 days, she got a tremendous ammount of votes (that, by the way, got the sim owner richer and richer) and that is simply not possible for a newbie. Logical and simple, unless… she is an alt, which is ok with me.

    Please check Angie2 Diesel date of SL birth. I did while this voting contest was running, she was a newbie and looked like one. She is not a Top Model, because, simply, she cannot be.

    Again, this is not personal. Please, let’s stop the scams about making money like this with Fashion Contests in SL? This is NOT FAIR to all the hard working SL Models in SL. And not honest at all!

    I am, right now, a SL Model in shock! Don’t bother to anwer to my comment, I won’t come back here again. Just thing about it.

    —posted by SL Model in shock on the incorrect page, moved by admin

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    • anonymous Says:

      August 25, 2012 at 6:52 am

      I am going to say shame shame to people to for using an anonymous name and then myself use a anonymous name to.

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